Is communism a real excuse for Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe being a shithole even though they take billions out of the EU and are much whiter than the West or is it true that Slavs aren't really white?
>>78847616
Tell me /pol/ I need to know
Communism combined with Uncle Joe saying "no" to marshall plan's money.
I'm fairly sure we'd be a lot better under commie regime if the Americans were allowed to send gibsmedat (as long as it was used for the intended purpose and not "lol look we got nukes as well".
We'd have a much better headstart.
Well it certainly didn't help. Remember what a shithole East Germany was at the point the wall came down.
All those old Soviet-bloc countries are still mostly struggling. They exited the grip of the Russians without much industry or economy or technology to speak of.
Would be nice to get them up to speed but how does a country simply prop itself up? Especially when the young and the talented are lured away to other countries.
I know a bunch of Bulgarians in America. I asked one of them why, one time, and she said the main occupation of young people in Bulgaria is figuring out how to get out of Bulgaria.
>>78850078
It's been 25 years and you're still a shithole. When are you gonna stop using that excuse?
>>78850624
Probably when we catch up with the the rest of europe?
Do you happen to be retarded?
>>78850804
> when we catch up with the the rest of europe
So never?
>>78847616
>>78849649
well anon it is an actual excuse, the soviets suppressed all sorts of intellect that didn't conform to the communist ideal in all their satellite states. and even though those states have had that anti communist intellect for 2 decades, the ideological damage is still raw in the eastern most states.
>>78850804
well he is a leaf so it is probable.
>>78851191
You know that post ww2 South Korea was a literal third world peasant shithole that transformed itself over 20 years?
German y under Hitler recovered in 10 years.
>>78850906
>>78850804
Wut I'm a burger and it's not really much different here than the US I like it
>>78851308
Yea they did, with American money.
You're welcome, my Asian friend.
>>78850906
Our GDP per capita increased 9x since 1990
>>78850078
Holy fuck!!!
>>78851401
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-29/polish-300-billion-aid-package-hides-eu-expansion-flaws
> 300 billion
> More than the entire Marshall plan
> still shithole
>>78851853
Nigga can you read I'm a burger living here it's not a shit hole have you even been? Hell I'd say it's nicer here than when I went to Canada and I have no polish heritage so I'm not bias
>>78851853
>> More than the entire Marshall plan
You're still forgetting about
>60 years of economical oppression with state controlled means of production and no private initiative
>>78852041
> GDP per capita lower than fucking Russia in 2013
>>78852318
What does it prove?
We have EU money, Russia has african tier economy based on natural resources.
Equatorial Guinea which is a 100% african shithole by even the most lax standards has a higher GDP pp than Poland.
You're grasping straws friend
Irish people are rich, yet they are super criminal.
Maybe Americans and Brits were right, Irish people are just monkeys in their blood.
>>78852318
That doesn't mean it's not nice it means there are not many jobs. I didn't say I want to work here. But there economy is one of the few in Europe that has not been hit hard by the economic crisis and get is growing every year. Anyway Poland isn't any different than the US really just no niggers or spics
>>78852318
>known for its Jewish heritage
I'm so sorry
>>78852696
Fuck off Bulglar
>>78847616
Poland's hardly a shithole anymore and life standards here are significantly better than in most of the Eastern Europe
t. Ukrainian
>>78853076
There are not many Jews here thanks to the nazis
>>78852127
So you blame communism yet you get billions in literal free money and you bitch about taking in 3000 refugees you fucking jews
>>78853480
Not related, but funny.
>>78853717
Poland accepted almost 2 million Ukrainian refugees and has been ruled by commies even during the 90s (they only had to rename to socialdemocrats) then again I should've known better than to respond to a fucking leaf, since all you shitskins do is shitpost 24/7.
>>78853982
> Government data, however, shows that despite a jump in the number of Ukrainians trying to settle in Poland since the outbreak of war in eastern Ukraine, Poland hosts a mere three Ukrainian refugees and has granted some protections to around 200 more. Another 65,000 Ukrainians hold residency permits in Poland.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/ukraine-rejects-polish-million-refugees-claim/
>>78853717
How is them not taking in refugees a bad thing? At least they're not letting themselves get cucked unlike the west.
>>78853982
>Poland accepted almost 2 million Ukrainian refugees
Thats a bullshit.
>>78854168
To the german government there's no difference between a refugee and an economic migrant, why would our govt make the same distinction?
Undeniable fact is - we took a lot.
Just because they aren't brown muzzies who enjoy blowing themselves up doesn't mean they shouldn't count.
>>78853717
And what has one to do with the other?
>>78854168
Your an idiot I've personally seen more than 200 Ukrainians in Kraków alone. Everyone ignore the leaf he has had to much syrup and has never left maple land because the syrup dollar is worthless
>>78853480
Of coursh
>>78851382
You in Western or Eastern Poland? I heard it makes a difference even there.
>>78847616
I think this will answer your question.
>>78854358
No it's not Sergei come take a look in Poland they are everywhere thanks to you fuckers
>>78854764
>>78854687
>>78854557
The problem? Szydło’s numbers weren’t quite right. Poland actually received 4,616 asylum applications from Ukrainians in the past two years. Of those, two were accepted, according to the government’s Office for Foreigners.
It is true that there may be about a million Ukrainians in Poland. But the vast majority are economic migrants in the country on work visas, as an angry Ukrainian ambassador pointed out the next day.
“In reality there are no Ukrainian refugees in Poland,” Andriy Deshchytsia told the Ukrinform news agency.
However, Szydło’s lax use of data is prompting suspicions that Polish leaders are using Ukrainian labor migration to avoid taking in refugees as part of the European Union’s moribund relocation program
http://www.politico.eu/article/poland-quibbles-over-whos-a-refugee-and-whos-a-migrant-beata-szydlo-asylum-schengen/
>>78854853
South west mostly I live in Kraków I know eastern Poland is crap tho
>>78855225
>However, Szydło’s lax use of data is prompting suspicions that Polish leaders are using Ukrainian labor migration to avoid taking in refugees as part of the European Union’s moribund relocation program
So?
>>78854978
This, in Poznań you can hear Ukrainian everyday. Don't mind the though, as long as they aren't robbing and killing people.
>>78850078
I'm more interested in the difference between socialist countries.
Why did Hungary and Bulgaria still saw some growth (slowed by retarded socialism but still there) while Poland remained truly stagnant for half a century?
>>78855274
I've been meaning to visit Poland since they're one of the more uncucked countries in Europe (catholic too) so less degeneracy. Poland and Czechoslovakia (slovakia/czech now pfft) would be great to hit up before I get too old.
>>78855553
>Why did Hungary and Bulgaria still saw some growth (slowed by retarded socialism but still there) while Poland remained truly stagnant for half a century?
Borders and non-WP neighbours
>>78855553
In our case we unironically leached of the ussr as their greatest and most loyal ally. Essentially we resold the petrol they gave us for free to the west.
>>78855553
>>78855771
And infrastructure not completely destroyed with cities razed to the ground by the War.
>>78855579
Prague is a nice city I personally like Kraków better tho Slovakia is empty but the mountains are pretty
>>78847616
poland has been developing much faster after 89 than ireland after 2WW.
It is rather lack of contact with the world at large. We had to invent a lot of things already invented on our own instead of mining the share knowledge of the human kind and focusing on new stuff.
Also lack of competition leading to no need for constant improvement.
>>78856019
I have to see half of my heritage (pol/czech) before it possibly disappears.
>>78847616
Yes. Tell Germans to give us back money for WW II and fuck off.
Thanks Polebros.
how long do you think it will be before your country becomes as rich as the west? rich + 99% white would be pretty cool
>>78856368
Perhaps it began with the breakup of the commonwealth
>>78847616
You know that these billions are as important as about 1, 5-2% GDP? What is more important is the common market, not the EU money that returns back to its original source
>>78855908
Nice merchantry.
Was it pure paradox-interactive-game-like autism on USSR's part or did you really offer any strategic advantage? You don't offer access to any water or mineral resources the Ruskies didn't already have.
>>78855771
Legitimate argument
>>78855926
Germany was razed to the ground more than any other country and rebuilt in 5 years. Same thing in the bombed regions of France and the Netherlands.
>>78847616
>yfw you realise the Jews have almost always been the main driver of the West's economic prosperity
>>78854843
this map is outdated. we've already surpassed greece and portugal in all those stupid,biased economic indicators.
>>78855507
My local polish market hired a bunch of them and Now I have language difficulties buying a fucking salad from an Ukrainian woman. They should practice their polish some more. Otherwise I will have to buy my products somewhere else.
>>78856620
Compared to Poland Germany was barely touched. Like every other country. You reject those things because it's inconceiveable for you on your comfy island
>>78856620
Pure merchantry. We were practically part of the USSR so it gave us some leverage. It all went well until shit hit the fan gorbachev figured he's being jewed. Sadly we still can't find place under the sun hence our exceptionally poor performance post 1990 compared to the rest. Guess russia is like a bear, with the hugs and all.
While on the economy a bit of funny trivial. It was indeed game-like with barter trade.
3 tiers of products
>for the western market
>for local consumption
>for ussr "market"
In descending quality.
How many bad kompots the ruskies ate, at least according to gramma who worked at a factory...
>>78847616
eu donations constitute only 2,2 percent of our whole gdp(green are on the picture)
>>78855478
Hes saying you cant take people who are ethnically similar to you and you must be forced to accept economic migrants from 'warzones' that an eastern ukrainian could only hope to be in, which are thousands of miles away.
The bolsheviks hate Slavs, Ayrans and Anglo people.
>>78856498
50 years
>>78857730
Only because the west will turn to shit.
>>78847616
How is Slovakia above Czech Republic?
>>78858260
Not sure about that particular issue, but that chart is in general very misleading since it uses absolute and not per capita values.
>>78850078
We didn't get marshall bucks neither. That's not an excuse
>>78847616
I can tell you that I am whiter than any Italian, Spanish, south balkanese or greek faggot, even tho im considered slav (which is not completely true). So slavs are white but just a variation (like black and brown niggers or koreans and japanese)
>>78858674
Poles are the chosen ones, unique descendants of Sarmat ethnic group, destined to save the World. Don't compare us to Russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech,_Czech,_and_Rus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_of_Europe
>>78847616
An Irishman calling other parts of Europe a shithole? lol
>>78856976
>>78856976
Communism is Jewish
Capitalism is secular christian off shout
>>78858643
Read my post again please
>>78859171
:D
>>78858643
Poland got this combo: completely destroyed country by Germans (by far the most in Europe), no Marshall plan money, communism for 50 years with country run by Soviets. That's more than enough of an excuse.
>>78859814
completely gangbanged by everyone and everything and still we are the best prospering post-communist state. poles are pure masters.
>>78859814
Poland:
>The Germans and the communism held us back for years gibsmedat
Niggers:
>The White man held us back for years, gibsmedat
literally white niggers.
>>78860384
Nazis
>The joos and their trickery held us back sieg heil
Niggers
>Da white men and their trickery held us back kill whitey
literally niggers
>>78860384
Don't you remember what happened to #HUNXIT in 1956 and #CZEXIT in 1968?
>>78847616
No, they were largely still on the pre-industrial level before communism.
>>78860635
because we are crying now, that you should pay us sum sweet moneyz, cause murica was mean to us.
We rebuild our fucking country by ourselfs and became the one of the richest most prosperous countrys in europe.
Meanwhile poland, with the same ressources stays the literal shithole it always was.
>mfw Poland is literally just cheap cigarettes for us
>>78861115
yeah, next time get a better hook
>>78861115
>Meanwhile poland, with the same ressources stays the literal shithole it always was.
You motherfuckers destroyed our industry and bought everything that remained during the transformation period. How are we supposed to get rich when 90% of factories and businesses in General in Poland are owned by Germans and other westerners? We had no chance to create our own industry owned by Poles. After the Communism fell, you came in here with your filthy Deutche Marks and bought up everything. That is why today, Germany controlls us economically and makes sure that we remain a source of cheap labor.
>>78861220
I have time.
I'll bite.
>>78861115
>literally rebuilt by American moneyz
>but we did it ourselves, guys, totally
Typical Kraut.
>>78847616
Are there any countries missing from that? The numbers don't add up- there is more drain han contribution, the money has to come from somewhere.
>>78861115
Richest for who Hans? For your salaries that stagnated for 10 years? Your economic output looks great on paper but you don't get to participate in it. Also you don't even own your flats. Germans have always been slaves to their overlords in the bureaucracy, just like Russians
>>78861610
Why do you think germans own your shit?
Cheap labor
If you had just one smart, cunning buisnessman in poland, you would be able to build your own industry.
But you are meant to be aspargus farmes and strawberry pickers, its in your blood. Just deal with it.
>>78861793
>the money has to come from somewhere.
priting money and unlimited debt
Also USA gives free money to Germany
>>78861859
>Also you don't even own your flats.
It's better that way. We sold our public housing and regret it.
>>78857410
I somehow don't believe that. Everyone here says the min wage in poland was under £5
>>78861859
germans dont own fucking flats, because we build HOUSES you know? The big blocky things with more than 1 room?
Dont worry polack, you can be proud to have no refugees.
Even if a refugee and a polack are literally on the same level in germany...
>>78861880
>Why do you think germans own your shit?
Because they do you uneducated nigger. They own entire industries and our media.
>If you had just one smart, cunning buisnessman in poland, you would be able to build your own industry.
He litereally got killed 4 months ago. Nobody knows who did it to this day, but before he died he wanted to make us more independent energetically from west and Russia.
>>78862489
yes, we own your shit, because its easy for us.
you literally let us control your shit, and we live better for it, i see nothing wrong with that.
Survival of the fittest mate
>>78862339
Even after Brexit crash average Pole still earns around £1.5/hour
>>78862489
Name?
>>78862412
Oh I forgot that Germans own villas instead of flats. And they bought them thanks to those stagnant salaries. Hey but at least Opel exports more because it treats the Germans like Chinks
>>78862670
Capitalism HO!
You used EU laws to give your companies cheap loans for investment in Poland. You came here, sold your products at loss and then bought remaining polish companies when they got broke. How can we compete with your corrupted money? We don't have the same amount of money for bribes as you.
>Survival of the fittest mate
We will help Muslims travelling through Poland safely reach Germany.
>>78862489
I would say being a Vassal of Germany > Being a vassal of USSR, just saying.
Poland is in no place to be independent, but you can chose your masters, and you did by joining EU.
I always tell greeks around net complaining about EU slavery that they are a far more beneficent master than Ottomans ever was
when you are greece, poland, turkey etc. you gotta be happy with what you got and pray they your masters don't fuck up your country due to their miscalculations (like their support of erdoğan here up until 2012)
>>78859211
It's true, not even Eastern Euros would be able to disagree. It's just fact.
And the standard of living in Ireland is the same as the rest of Western Europe, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>78862769
Kulczyk
>>78860635
Kek
>>78862159
Because you're niggers to your elites
They privatized NHS, water supply companies, energy because they wanted to get more money from you
If you believe the Brexit leaders don't support that then you're just delusional
Your country created the proletariat and forced children to work in coal mines. This is literally slave -master relation
>>78863079
>Poland is in no place to be independent
You are so wrong.
And you don't understand Polish national pride.
>>78861859
>be poland
>get a shitload of money just for being in the eu
>mostly german taxpayer pay for it, the upper class just knows ways to evade tax, its the way it is in every country
>get on online board
>banter germans for being poor, not participating in the money the german corporations are making due to good conditions in the EU
wew lad
>>78863379
forgive me, I didn't want to insult, just pointing my observations as an outsider roachie.
Neither Germany nor Russia either wants nor will allow a totally independent Poland. Not much has changed since the last century imho.
Pride is all good, but it reminds me of the Spartan idiom when they encountered a much weaker polis hurling them insults. "less pride, more power"
Good luck in your endavours, though I believe you are better off being stucked with goymoney.
>>78863079
First Turkish post I saw here that wasn't a shitpost.
>>78863734
Mostly french, german, italian and british. Just don't give yourself more credit than you have in reality. Also, this money is like 1, 5% of GDP
>>78863968
"its not that much from you so we are entilted to have it"
poland everyone
>>78862489
>They own entire industries and our media
>implying that are germans and not jews
>>78847616
>Luxemburg nets 1.2 Billion cuck-bucks
wtf aren't they a tax haven for some super rich guy and his friends and family?
>>78863737
Germany will commit a suicide soon thanks to the influx of "refugees". Then we will either create stronger V4 and ultimatelly Intermarium or get fucked by Russia. Donald Trump may prevent that, but I'm affraid he will care more about USA than Poland.
>>78856976
Christians aren't allowed to deal in interest. All Christian societies used Jews to do all their money work. We need to purge Christianity to change things.
>>78864209
These are German companies operating in Poland to avoid paying taxes. Are you saying that there are no true Germans left in power in Germany?
>>78854853
He is investing in Eastern Poland. You should too.
>>78863968
we pay more than the 19 others together.
Your bantergame is weak.
>>78864208
Pay war reparations and then the case is closed. We will not want a dime more.
>>78864378
>no true Germans
Yes. That is what I am saying.
I envy you for your government, gaining back power and doing everything in your guys interests and also for your domesticated women.
>>78847616
That`s complex, because communism is not a reason. Communism is the embodiment of German, Anglo, Maltese, Austrian and Swiss international politics, applied to Russian people in european fear of the Russian World.
They will suppress any remotely-Russian activity. Trough their colonial administration, trough division of Russian territories by manufactured conflicts, trough sanctions, trough starvation and war if other measures have deemed ineffective.
>>78847616
no, eastern europe is shit because everyone here is a socialist who thinks he is entitled to everything and wants to expand state power to its limits.
>>78864716
Don't worry. Your government will help our threatened democracy with sanctions. That should warm up DE-PL relations.
>>78864514
oh god, you are not white niggers
you are white nigger jews...
we destroyed you, you were weak, we do not owe you anything, war doesnt have to be fair, the better guy wins, thats why you lost, and thats why the allied nations won.
>>78860384
t. le chimp out man of European destruction
>>78865291
>we destroyed you, you were weak, we do not owe you anything
Why are you paying Jews and not us?
>>78847616
If Germany can flourish not only after having it's fucking country in ashes twice and economical fines to kingdom come,
then there are no excuses what so ever for any other country.
>>78865424
Because jews served in reichs military and poolacks just sucked on welfare, eating through much needed resources.
>>78865424
Because the jews won and not you.
also we ARE actually paying you indirectly.
>>78865165
Sanctions never EVER helped anything, but making more money for fewer people.
>>78865673
retarded non-argument / 10
Also, there were lots of germanized Poles in German army.
>>78865748
>Sanctions never EVER helped anything, but making more money for fewer people.
Tell that the the EU.
German banks and supermarkets are still mad as fuck at us for making them pay new taxes.
All this recent anti-polish hate have nothing to do with democracy. It's about the German money and taxation of foreign businesses in Poland.
>>78865872
Your illegitimate occupation of Prussian lands does not make you germanized or civilized in any way.
>>78866440
Fuck off German proxy. The land was inhabited by a polish majority so it was a part of Poland.
>>78850906
Poland is nicer than Canada actually.
