In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek, President Obama was asked directly about his feelings on basic income, a system of wealth distribution in which people receive a monthly check on top of their existing income to help cover expenses, thereby strengthening the social safety net.
Obama’s response: Job automation is getting too sophisticated not to at least consider it.
“The way I describe it is that, because of automation, because of globalization, we’re going to have to examine the social compact, the same way we did early in the 19th century and then again during and after the Great Depression,” he told Bloomberg. “The notion of a 40-hour workweek, a minimum wage, child labour laws, etc. — those will have to be updated for these new realities.”
In his February economic report to Congress, the president offered data that showed a high probability of automation replacing the lowest-paid workers: those manning the deep fryers, call centres, and supermarket cash registers.
Other evidence is just as damning for the low-wage American worker. A 2013 Oxford report, for example, found automation could replace 50% of all jobs within the next 20 to 30 years. A McKinsey report released last year even suggested today’s technology could feasibly replace 45% of jobs right now.
Economists and entrepreneurs alike have started turning toward basic income as a way to avoid that looming unemployment crisis. Now Obama seems to be leaning in the same direction.
“If we’re smart right now, then we build ourselves a runway to make that transition less abrupt, because we’re still growing, and we’re beating the competition around the world,” he told Bloomberg.
He pointed to the advent of driverless cars as one sign that disruption is knocking on the auto industry’s door. People who work for companies like Lyft and Uber will soon have to face a reality where may no longer have jobs. Multiplied out across many industries, basic income advocates argue, the simpler solution might just be to give people money regardless if they work or not.
>Obama’s response: Job automation is getting too sophisticated not to at least consider it.
There's nothing controversial about this. Anyone that knows anything about the reality of AI and future job automation and human unemployment knows this already.
That nigger is just going to give it to the dindus.
>>78767118
Nah everybody would get it
>unconditional
It won't be unconditional. You'll only be able to buy what they allow you to buy. Economic freedom will be non-existent.
>>78765512
This would just inflate the prices of everything to where the income would moot. Do you even Econ 101 Mr. Nigger?
>>78765512
Once automation starts to take over all low skilled jobs, I would support a basic income. Maybe about 1500 a month. That is all though. Just enough to live a humble life.
Then once Automation takes upper level jobs, a greater basic income, maybe of as much as 100k a year.
I am a communist in an automated utopia, a capitalist in our current reality.
>>78765604
>just be to give people money regardless if they work or not
That's what a basic income has to be, otherwise it is unfair. If I make 500 dollars every paycheck, and someone who isn't working makes 600 dollars every paycheck, I'd just quit my job. There has to be some incentive to get a real job.
>tfw Neets were right all along
>the entire world gets UBE
>America is the last hold out, BBUBBUBUBUT OUR RIGHTS SMALL GOVERNMENT JHGUAARAHHH
>meanwhile i am literally shitposting from the chinese lunar base.
Say it together with me; WRONG, SIDE, OF, HISTORY.
>>78767839
Part of basic income is the money supply does not increase, which is the cause of inflation. Do YOU even econ 101?
I already see the future at my current job. I work at an auto parts manufacturer if you look at our prototyping area all the parts are hand made by skilled techs Mostly older guys. They told me that the whole plant used to be all hand done and it took skilled workers to make good parts. Now most of the plant is fully automated almost all of the jobs are placing unfinished castings into milling machines and waiting until done. I can easily see were a robot arm can replace 90% of the employees.
It doesnt take a genius to figure out that allot of the everyday jobs can be replaced with technology we already have. I dont know why gas stations arnt just pay at the pump and a huge vending machine.
The future unemployment crisis is going to be rough unless something is figured out.
>>78765512
I am actually not opposed to this. There is going to be so much turn over in the near future, humans will not be able to train fast enough for new employment once made obsolete in their current employment.
The question is what to do in the long term.
Birth rates are near nothing, but with free cash A) demand for cash will sort of plummet, where entrepreneurs don't give a shit about automating because the money they would get would be garbage before long and B) simply keeping most of today's generations alive sufficiently works only in so far as they don't reproduce.
So in the former we basically need an entirely new economic/incentive structure, or else >>78767917 1500 a month won't cut it in the next year.
In the latter, the question is what means do we have to limit pregnancies that doesn't revolve around abortion, or sterilization? Why those? Because I said so, basically, but mostly because if we're going that far might as well just cull the herds instead of bothering to fuck with the economic system.
Third options exist. I just don't know if we can see far enough to really predict just how ridiculous the coming technological revolution is going to be, or whether or not it is even going to happen in the next year or two, and not 5-10 years out.
>>78767667
What's the alternative?
An almost completely automated distant future isn't that impossible. AI / smart machines manage, create, innovate. "Dumb machines" mine, transport, serve, repair, etc. What is left for humans to do when machines can do literally anything that people typically do for income?
>>78765512
This will never happen.
>>78765512
>because of automation, because of globalization, we’re going to have to examine the social compact
aka we're working at building a world in which independence is impossible and you are always beholden to the government and multinational corporations who hand you the paycheck for which you're not allowed to work
>UBI thread
let me just sum it up for everyone:
>MUH SOCIALISM
>MUH INFLATION
>MUH PROJECTION
>MUH LAZY NEETS
>MUH TAXES GOING UP
its impossible to have a discussion about this topic on /pol/
The automation meme genuinely needs to die, it's the single most frequent subject that comes up on here where idiots with no understanding of technology, economics, and or infrastructure tries explaining why they deserve free money without working at all
>>78768535
Then where does the money come from? Taxation of the producers disincetivizes them to ramp up automation. See socialism. Weeaakk
>>78768625
>What is left for humans to do when machines can do literally anything that people typically do for income?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butlerian_Jihad
I will never ever trust a car to drive me on a fucking highway
That's said, this, ALONG WITH IMMIGRATION REFORM, is ONLY open for discussion when we have a lockdown on all entries into our system.
We can have both but strictly and irrevocably only for American citizens. Basic income will feed OUR homeless, not the world's. His use of "unconditional" is going to fucking ruin the concept like he ruined healthcare
>Free for everybody!
>Not so fast, flatfoot!
>Free when you open up a bank account so we can subsidize the bankers with trillions of dollars they can use as credit and only make monthly payments!
Which allows states to have banks that don't require IDs and you see how we fuck it all up forever
>>78765512
Isn't he just the greatest?
>>78765512
>worries robots will replace low skill jobs
>proceeds to raise minimum wage to $15/hour
are these niggers for real
>>78767917
>supports a basic income of $1500/mo once AI takes over low-skilled jobs
>supports a basic income of $100k/year once AI takes over upper-level jobs
IMO..this will never work. The government would have to be bringing in a shit ton of money to give to every living adult. There's no governments in this world with trillions of dollars to give away each month.
>50% of profits are being lost to poor people
Step up your game burgers.
>>78768873
The government would also take over the economy, so they'd have a lot of money, hence me saying I'm a communist in an automated utopia.
liberal pipe dream
>>78768951
except its the answer capitalists are subscribing to to this issue
He's already experimenting with it using a contract company >>78768824
>>78768824
>>78768824
>>78768824
so basically poor people will get basic income while the rest of us will have to work to support them. they'll cite this "experiment" as being a success because you're literally giving people $2000/month, how can it possibly not help them. then they'll use a sample size as argument for nationwide basic income.
we need to secede and cut ourselves off from California
>>78769078
It's not taxpayer funded, what are you whining about?
>>78768873
We would just print more money and enter hyperHYPERinflation
We better be in a post Trump manufacturing Renaissance then because our dollar will sag and make imports that much more expensive
All the money in the world amongst everyone is estimated to be about $75 trillion.
There is 7.5 billion people.
If that 75 trillion was given equally to everyone. We'd all have $10,000 dollars.
>>78768867
Are there more of this? I need it... for research purposes.
automation is a complete and utter meme
the future us in frreelance micro-programming and whatnot
>>78769078
if it lowers crime rates, gets them off of welfare, medicaid, etc, it will probably be a profit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_pilots
>>78769167
Which idiots would lose in ten seconds for the dankest blow and hottest hookers and the world reverts to normal in a year
>>78765644
except it's going to lead to terminal niggeritis. welfare is already bad enough at breeding niggers by the dozen, now we'll have super mega welfare.
>>78765512
how about lowering the cost of living fucking niggers.
>>78769196
There are about 2 billion asian females in the world but most of them are not attractive.
>>78769167
What if you spent that $10,000 every month while earning it back?
>>78765512
>>78765604
Job guarantee is better.
>>78769289
wow lots of commie shills in here
Libertarians blown the fuck out! Again.
>>78765644
Why not outlaw automation or create human quotas for businesses?
>>78769338
people who are on welfare now already abuse the system. what would change?
>>78765512
Not as long as there are shitskins in the country I won't let it happen.
They get imported here and they all get to live off what we built. Fuck that
>>78769167
>$75 trillion
That's just in money notes.
There's about 1 quadrillion dollars invested in dividends, stockmarket, gold, oil, etc.
If that 1 quadrillion was given equally to everyone. We'd all have $133,333+ a year.
>>78769463
Insanity. Automation creates tremendous economic growth.
We will be so much better off as a species if we let robots do 95% of the work and live off the fat of the land.
>>78769463
>>78769364
Lol, fuck progress, let's just stick our fingers in our ears and keep trying to make our old flawed system work.
>>78769501
of course that's what will happen
these people in this thread are so dumb to think that socialism/communism would ever work in a non-homogenous society.
they literally ruined South Africa this same way. that is our future if we don't balkanize.
>>78769342
>one on the right is a tranny
>one on the left is a fat cumdumpster coalburner
And?
>>78769463
>holding back progress
This is retarded man, and you know it.
If I have to give some niggers some gimmiedats for an AI utopia, I'll do that.
>>78768460
>Say it together with me; WRONG, SIDE, OF, HISTORY.
WRONG SIDE OF PLANET
>>78769167
But how many would everyone have if we gassed all the Muslims and Jews and let nigs go back to the jungle?
>>78769563
I'm wrong again.
There is $1.2 quadrillion invested in derivatives alone. Theres over $70 trillion invested in the stock market. There's over $80 trillion in bank accounts.
There's most likely $2 quadrillion dollars in all which means if it was given equally to every living person worldwide. We'd all have $260,000+ dollars each.
>>78767917
you can say goodbye to civilization if this happens. all the countries that support it will become more flooded by brown people than they already are. since people don't have to do shit, they can just lie around and fuck all day. the shittiest members of society will out breed everyone else since there are no selective pressures in force and the country will turn into a clusterfuck of human shit. automation and free income has the potential to completely ruin humanity.
>>78769463
i don't want the robots to call me a token fleshbag
>>78769383
.05 cents of your money has been placed in everyone's account
This is like the last 3 months when George bush was president. Did a bunch of crazy shit.
this is the future liberals are begging for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hLXOVCZr-8
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>>78769338
>except it's going to lead to terminal niggeritis.
You still have to work three hours a day, three days a week if you expect to get paid. Problem solved.
>that button isn't going to press itself
>I mean, it could, but fuck you
>>78768660
More like "It's impossible for everyone to agree with me like they should >:(((((."
>is in the midst of an energy crisis
>wants to power a shit ton of robots
>>78769626
Job guarantee gives an income to everyone willing to work and stabilises the economy.
Basic income goes counter-cyclical on the way down but pro-cyclical on the way up - in other words, you get inflation. Plus it removes an incentive to contribute to society, and doesn't deal with the social costs of unemployment.
>>78767543
Said the delusional retard
‽
test
>mfw basic income is the mark of the beast
>>78765512
I don't care anything about Brock O'Berrypicker but...
Assuming we're not going to murder the darkies, this is unfortunately a future reality. Obama dindu nuffin by simply stating the truth.
>>78765512
He is right. Automation will wipe out moat jobs. If a robot can do a job, I would get a robot 100% of the time. Some people say there will always new jobs that replaces extincted jobs, but I don't think it'll happen this time.
>>78769902
Are you a dumb nigger? Milton Friedman was for the samething.
>>78769894
jobs =\= wealth creation
i don't want tax dollars paying guys to dig holes and then another crew to fill them back up. look at japan and china
UBI would improve small businesses. you could abolish minimum wage. the only people who worked would be ones that wanted to. it would also take out most of the sting of an attempted business failing
Eventually we will just have what are essentially "everything" trees. Like trees, they will get all their energy and resources autonomously. You can help them by collecting resources for them. Or make bots for that. And you'll be able to access your everything tree or a community everything tree as easy as you would an apple tree. And at this point, the only thing that can hold us back is rich people adhering to traditional systems of ownership who just own all the resources. If it's bad enough, it will be obvious to anyone alive that we should just expropriate that shit from them. They will still be very wealthy and privileged. But their "sacrifice" will provide immeasurable freedom for the rest of humanity.
>>78768588
Elderly people have a hard time figuring out how to operate things like that currently, you would need someone there to help customers if they have a problem or if anything needs to be cleaned. But yes robots could handle the bulk of the work.
If Robots run the whole economy, why have humans? Why not just get rid of the useless parasites?
>>78769338
What will happen is that people will get basic income ONLY if they go to a training until they find a job.
That means higher education for all, one step at a time
>>78769664
>Progress theology
And where does progress lead exactly?
>>78768778
As of January 2016, Google's self-driving cars have been involved in a total of 17 accidents, all caused by human error. In fact, most of the accidents occurred when Google's cars were rear-ended at red lights.
Furthermore...
>a computer program does not get tired
>a computer program does not get distracted
>a computer program does not get road rage
>a computer program has a faster reaction speed than you ever will
You trust computer programs with your money, with your communications, and with your privacy. They've done pretty well so far, no? So why not a car? Humans did not evolve to travel at 65 mph on highways; they are built to give the illusion that we are traveling slower than reality so that our brains don't freak out.
How long do you think the lane dividers on highways are? Don't be a faggot by googling it.
>>78770158
so indoctrination for all. same result, civilization is fucked. this really is the end.
>>78769751
Have fun trying to tax that shit. Seriously good luck.
>>78770134
oyy veyyy
>>78770158
as early as when i was in high school, all you needed was that diploma.
my little brother is going into 7th grade and he's being told he needs to declare a major for high school.
another unrelated topic, but exactly how much schooling is actually necessary? 8 years wasn't enough? 12 isn't now? what happens when you need a masters degree for entry level work?
>>78765512
>liberals whine about guns 24/7
>liberals give out free money
>i use money to buy more guns
Can't say I'm opposed to this idea, familamadingdongs.
>>78770033
>"jobs =\= wealth creation"
>but giving everyone money for nothing IS wealth creation
Do you see the problem here?
OK so you think the government sucks at making worthwhile jobs. But even an only slightly worthwhile job is better than none.
By the way, giving everyone some extra money is arguably fine short-term policy when the economy is below full employment (which, granted, it is now) but if government gets smart and starts running full employment budgets, it would need to cut off or reduce the basic income amount or raise taxes pretty quickly to prevent inflation.
We have basic income for the poor - welfare - and it works well as a stabiliser. This function is completely absent for basic income.
>>78765644
This has always been my thought process. Soon half the people simply won't be able to find work. Animal farmers will be even more secure seeing as how animals need lots of people shit done. Drivers will be gone. Most art can easily be produced by computers already. Wood can be CNC'd well enough to give off a hand-carven feel. Computers are becoming better and better on Wall Street.
It seems like there's only a safe few for those that enjoy their work. Then what, though? After all is said and done, trying to find small jobs will be fruitless and people will be stuck with their monthly income, fat and docile. It's a little grim.
>>78768750
>huehuehue those simpletons have no idea what they're talking about
>let me just rehash anti-luddite arguments thought up in the 1950's
>there's no way a machine could do anything better and cheaper than a human being, that'd be, like, far out stuff man
I think the money system needs to go.
I believe everyone should be provided for free with:
1. Healthy Food (all food should be free)
2. Clean Water (should be free for all)
3. House/Condo/Apartment (a decent living place should be free for all)
4. Vehicle (if you want to travel the world it should be free to do so)
5. Clothing (good well-made clothing should be free for all)
6. Education (anything you want to learn about should be free)
7. Entertainment (art/music/festivals/movies/amusement parks should be free)
8. Starting A Business/Store to sell free things should be free...
What more does anyone need if everything is free. Money isn't needed.
WE ALL SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE LOVE TO DO...If you love to make delicious dishes. Become a CHEF for free and share your food creations in your own shop for free with others.
That's the type of world I want to live in. FREE FREE FREE FREEEEDOM
>>78768660
why don't you try refuting their points you fucking faggot
>>78770811
you have an infantile mind and want to live like a pampered baby. we get it.
>>78770618
you're right, gibs doesn't create wealth. but those who do want to create wealth, for whatever reason ie social status, passion or just so they can get a playstation, will be freed from having to worry about the basics
so basically what i'm saying here is:
i'm tired of poor white kids who want to make a difference being stuck washing dishes or digging holes or joining the military and shitting it up
>>78770811
Here in the real world we aren't post-scarcity. Sorry mate.
>only the most skilled humans will be able to make a difference
>even these people will soon lose their jobs to AI
>humanity will spend its days partaking in VR porn
I want off this ride.
>>78771044
We've been in the sketchy, post-industrial transition zone since the 80's though.
>>78765512
>A 2013 Oxford report, for example, found automation could replace 50% of all jobs within the next 20 to 30 years.
This is way too optimistic, machines are nowhere near reliable enough to replace humans yet. Constant BSoD on computers, parts breaking down all the time in machinery, everything requiring constant maintenance and replacement, will likely outstrip any benefits automation/robotics can bring in the foreseeable future.
But yeah, maybe in 100-ish years, I can see a new generation of electronic slaves doing all the work and human society moving naturally towards a more Marxist society.
>>78769463
t socialist 125 years ago
See here's the thing. This could work. Milton Friedman has advocated this for years and it hasn't been tried with the caveat of welfare being eliminated. This could work....however it could work in a majority white country. Spics and niggers can and will ruin this. No one will work, nothing will get generated the system will collapse. The reason these Nordic countries work with specialism is they have a big tax payer base. We do not have that. Plus if this worked it would only attract more shit skins.
>>78770811
Yeah, maybe in a couple thousand years when we invent free energy you fucking drooling retard
>>78769752
>human shit
>no selective measures
Well then we must implement our own
A purely white nation where all meanial tasks are automated and only those with the greatest minds for thinking or bodies for soldiering are allowed to breed. Where we all work not for profit but towards the goal of conquering the stars
Only if
>>78770284
Not to mention such an act would be q one time thing and utterly shut down the entire world economy
>>78770987
>i'm tired of poor white kids who want to make a difference being stuck washing dishes or digging holes or joining the military and shitting it up
Or... having nothing constructive to do and sitting on welfare forever. That's the real tragedy and we could solve it very easily.
Basic income won't solve the problem in my opinion because, as I said, it removes an incentive to work at all, it doesn't address the social costs of unemployment (people lack structure in their lives, they turn to antisocial behaviours, they're more prone to mental illness, etc).
>>78771231
Mass unemployment since the 80s is not because of technology. It's because of an ideological shift and deliberate employment policy failure. One of the planks of the labour movement was the right to work (see Article 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights). We've just forgotten about it.
I wish to denounce my humanity and become a robot. I expect to maintain the same rights.
Fuck you transgenders, my intellect outweighs your biology.
>>78767118
Hey now, he'd also give it to single "moms" and spics.
>>78770811
This just sounds like you want to shirk responsibilities and have everything handed to you. The world won't work this way unless we invented a way to poof them into existence.
>>78771464
entertainment would become a much larger industry.
lets come up with the next major mode of entertainment and become kings of the UBI world. it is an inevitability. get in touch with your inner jew and find profit
>>78770239
Your wasting your effort, I'm not putting my life to a machine that will never make an instantaneous reaction to its surroundings like I can
I don't need nor want to be in the middle of a live A/B testing of a situation where I can't control my own vehicle because its programming decided to stop when an object is coming right for my windshield
And you're an idiot if you believe you will ever have a 360° multi sensor array in those cars anytime soon
>>78767118
>>78771572
>not simply 'gender-identifying' as female / 'nationally-identifying' as african
You'll qualify, if not, that's discrimination!
>>78770033
But who will pay for those not willing to work?
Those who work will have money what happens if they all object to the government taking it?
>>78770239
Also,
I can make mistakes in those examples you've listed, and the programs can afford to make mistakes
You can't afford a mistake on the road
>>78770980
>>78771044
>>78771384
I'm not saying we are lazy bastards, all of us would have a job and work.
We would just do it for freeee because it's what we love to do.
Only a imbecile can't understand the concept.
>>78765512
Im as right wing as they come, but its obvious that Guaranteed Basic Income will be an absolute necessity down the road. Not today or even tomorrow, but ten or twenty years from now? Without a doubt.
>>78771375
Once AI is able to innovate on it's own, these massive, society changing shifts would be happening on an annual basis, if not faster. How fast do you think human society can adapt to epoch changes before it breaks at the seems? At some point we are going to have to regulate the pace of technology, or accept our demise as a species.
>>78768752
Max automation = max efficiency = prices of goods and services will drop dramatically. In a society where most labor is automated, you should theoretically be able to survive on a lot less money.
I'm pretty sure a lot of services currently provided by the government would be made obsolete by UBI, and thus the money could be redirected.
Also, if taxes are raised on all businesses regardless, that seems like an incentive for more automation.
At this point it's still speculation though.
>>78770039
What happens when some want power or more money? There will still be the divide of the high iq and the low. Probably Whites and Asians would eventually wipe out the lower iq shitskins and proceed to war with eachother
You see humans desire power even over wealth. This system gives everyone wealth but nobody power eventually someone will naturally fill that gap
>>78771753
1.) Instantiate bitcoin as the new gold backing.
2.) Exchange rates sky rocket.
3.) Money becomes unlimited for everyone.
4.) ????
5.) Profit.
Most of you are so retarded and living in a fantasy land.
>>78771688
you are SOL but for a different reason. ever meet a woman who likes to drive? no you haven't. they consume and spend more money, and the market will cater
>>78771731
be completely honest with me here. how many people, % wise, would do absolutely nothing. don't delve into cynicism, don't project your flaws onto others. give me an honest percent. even the niggest of nogs like having projects to keep them busy
when people realize that UBI doesn't mean money for an iphone, an xbox and a lexus they'll get their butts up and work for luxuries
>>78769338
easy, if you apply for basic income, you get sterilized.
>>78771439
That's a good thing
I want the world economy to shut down and evolve back into national economies who occasionally trade
World economy and everything being chained to it is step 1 to a globalist regeime
>>78771674
Your UBI world is simply a world where welfare is not means-tested. So you lose the stabilising effect and a boom will lead to inflation, whereas ordinary welfare would have cut off when people's incomes rose above the threshold.
Then of course, many workers will probably leave the labour force because they no longer need to work for an income. Supply of goods and services contracts as a result. Inflation is inevitable if that happens.
>>78771866
>capitalists always pass profits down directly to consumers in the form of price decreases
>>78772040
t. clueless bourgeois, moments before he is overrun and hung by the starving masses
>>78771674
Just go into porn
Would make great money (by a UBI worlds standard) and you get paid to fuck all day
>>78771958
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>>78771979
I don't think either of you know what I was talking about
What the hell does women and bitcoin have to do with anything?
>>78771688
>make an instantaneous reaction to its surroundings like I can
But an autonomous car reacts faster than human reflexes ever could.
>And you're an idiot if you believe you will ever have a 360° multi sensor array in those cars anytime soon
That is the case though. Autonomous cars are a huge liability risk, and these companies throwing millions at research are taking more into account than you can imagine.
>>78772112
You don't understand the force behind this. Automation means that the size of labor force has less and less impact on it's overall productivity.
>>78772116
>implying the robot army wouldn't keep me safe
>>78772157
i need to know how many people will not be working. gimme a %. we cannot continue until i have a number. my personal estimate would be about 10% males and 50% of females would no longer work
>>78771401
Why do you think the military would not also be automated?
>>78771789
Just expecting people to put in the time to go to a job and not getting anything except 'good feels'? You're on to something anon.
>>78772183
Well if we're talking about complete automation of the labour force then it's just a distributional problem that we won't face for a long time. Here in the real world, most industries still require majority human labour, and there are people who want to work for an income but can't. Job guarantee is the policy we need in the real world, not universal meme income.
I dont think hes wrong about this 2bh fampais
>>78772114
If there's enough competition, there should be a decrease. And if not, an increase on taxes is an option.
If the majority of the population has no money to spend, the cycle can't continue and businesses lose money.
>>78772157
As the existing economical system stands only those who have historically benefited will continue to benefit.
Those who are currently benefiting (the super rich assholes) have no incentive to contribute their wealth in the form of basic income via higher taxation or charitable corporation.
The only thing that will motivate this bottleneck is terrorism. (Political pressure).
Unfortunately for the most part they remain hidden out of fear for what is already happening.
Basic income is needed, but will never happen.
Corruption is irreversible and the most influential people have backed themselves in the same corner and are making excuses for the changes we'll always be waiting for.
>>78772314
>10% males, 50% females
Traditionally male jobs are the ones that will be most heavily automated. Most remaining jobs will be customer service oriented. If you haven't noticed, females are more emotionally intelligent, and therefore better suited for customer service professions.
>it's gonna be a strange strange world
>>78771523
Deus ex will become reality. Robosapiens will be the next evolutionary hurdle.
>Citizen Payment enacted
>All white women can finally breed with black, without having to grovel at white mens feet for financial support
Sounds good, finally our women can be liberated. Also Chad is ofcourse included, as betas in general will be forbidden to breed.
>>78772174
>car reacts faster than a human could
citation needed
The whole divide between AI computation and human minds is that we have millions of synapses working simultaneously with learned experience and spatial observation. Yeah, Google Ass can park and make a Frappucino™ when it senses a beaver humping its mate on the road, but it won't decide to make a U-turn or go around it.
>They know it's a liability
And I wholeheartedly agree, my friend.
>>78772568
I can start to talk about this but I'm talking about car AIs, here
Good on his part, because this shit is inevitable and not very far away.
Forget AIs and things of that nature, you don't need a super intelligent machine to reduce the need of manpowers to nearly nothing.
>A McKinsey report released last year even suggested today’s technology could feasibly replace 45% of jobs right now.
I agree, tons of manual jobs could be wiped out of existence right now with today's tech.
The only reason why it hasn't happened yet, is that the tech is not cheap enough and we don't have that many companies providing automation services.
>>78772580
men are more motivated to work, given that women like well off men. doesn't matter what type of work it is, men are much more likely to take any job they can get
the 15% of men that wouldn't work likely don't work now, for whatever reason, and they aren't dying on the street. even homeless people still manage to get cigarettes and booze
>>78772040
Silly, we need a surplus of pops to colonise Mars. They could be sent to the mines and build robots to replace themselves.
We aren't even close to that point yet, unemployment wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for globalists kikes. This is fixing the symptoms and ignoring the cause.
This is what Obama really means
>lets give dindus even less of a reason to work
>>78765512
I've often thought of ways to address the ever looming threat of automation, and I think at least from an economic standpoint, there is only one option; nationalization of businesses that are 75% or more automated. This would give the owner of the business the option of continuing to hire humans to do the work and contributing to the economy, or cashing out and allowing his intellectual pursuits to become common property. The growing body of nationalized, automated industries would provide a basic universal income, something like $1000/month or something, and those wishing for more extravagant lifestyles would be allowed to pursue those interests, whether by working for a non-automated business, or by creating a successful business and automating it sufficiently to cash out. The dregs of society would have nothing but free time in which they would r select and eventually weed themselves out, while those wishing to further humanity would be afforded everything needed to produce strong, viable offspring to continue the push forward.
>>78772580
By emotionally intelligent, do you mean completely governed by their emotions to the point of severe retardation?
>>78771719
You have no idea how the welfare system works, but you're a leaf anyways, you're blind to being fucked by the socialist garbage in your own backyard.
>>78769463
Why not ban cars to save the horses?
>>78767118
stormfront pls go
>>78773209
Reckon it would be a lot more likely that off-world colonization would begin with strictly automated (or god forbid, AI) equipment being off-loaded onto the planet without any real human presence. Set up a rudimentary sort of colony fit for the flesh n' blood types, likely from materials processed on-planet.
Maybe just a few skilled technicians along for catastrophic maintenance issues.
I think I'll start on The Martian Chronicles by Bradbury now, thanks guy! Hope its good.
>>78773457
odd how horses became a luxury after they became obsolete. cars will go the same way
>>78767667
It would be one thing if it were unconditional. I think the softest way to get rid of welfare and other entitlement programs is basic income. You can spend the money on whatever you please even heroin but once it's gone it's gone.
>>78769463
Businesses in countries that have full automation will eventually outcompete countries with restrictions on automation, leading to economic decline. There is literally no way of stopping this train unless you want to destroy the economy. This was like the outsourcing mania of the early 2000s/late ninties. Companies who were loyal to their countries were eventually usurped by companies who outsourced their labour to China/India. Corporations will be forced to automate to remain viable businesses
>>78772633
>citation needed
I think it's common knowledge a computer can react to events in milliseconds. Regardless,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Potential_advantages
All sources are listed at the bottom.
>The whole divide between AI computation and human minds is that we have millions of synapses working simultaneously with learned experience and spatial observation.
That's how autonomous vehicles work though. They all collect data when they drive, and that data is sent back to be analyzed, which then gets sent back to all cars in the form of updates. This alone means that the car will have the experience of millions of miles driven.
>>78773504
Aye, Bradbury sounds good to me too! I need a good sci fi read.
>>78765512
But who's making that money if no one is working?
>>78773549
Thousands of people will starve to death as they waste their money on drugs rather than food.
>>78769463
Others have made some points but what you're stating is similar to tariffs and subsidies which we already do in certain areas. The danger and issue with this including state capitalism versus a free market is you're taking resources from some other productive area and using those resources and wealth to artificially prop up and support a market in which isn't competitive. The market may have already deemed it obsolete and moves towards something else entirely too.
>>78773733
Good.
>>78773733
Then they die or rely on private charity. That's how it should be.
>>78773549
>Implying you won't be able to make your own opiates with GM yeast for next to nothing.
>>78771866
Also just imagine the costs of medical insurance when GPs will be replaced by AIs. Radiologists are already losing their jobs to machines. Id imagine that once i get to old age, I wont even need a 401k/superannuation to live comfortably
>>78773733
charities exist. everyone will know they blew it. price of food will actually go down i think, as many of the new jobs created from this system will be cheap food for people looking to maximize their UBI
>>78768625
>What's the alternative?
Eliminate the minimum wage to make unskilled labor competitive with machines?
>>78773823
The british made good money on the opium trade I say more power to the people who do. It's not like we have predators to cull the population of it's chaff.
>>78765512
I have one issue with this.
If basic income is introduced only in the US, then the entire 3rd world will want in. No fucking wall will stop this, if you're going to give out $1000+ a month to everyone for free. There are about 1 billion people around the world, who live on 1 buck a day. What is going to stop them from leaving their countries and storm the US borders in hundreds of millions?
Do you expect these people to work thirty months in a row to earn the same amount of money an American will be getting in 1 month for free?
This income will have to introduced worldwide, and this is unsustainable.
>>78773861
eliminating min wage will be another plus to UBI
>>78773733
Good societies should have a selection process...
>>78773896
>will have to introduced
will have to be introduced
>>78773896
Easy, build a wall. Australia is surrounded by more than a billion starving pajeets, indonesians, islanders. Yetmwe hardly have a problem with immigration
>>78768625
Find some useful things for humans to do, and offer them a fixed wage to do it. In other words, what we should be doing right now (a job guarantee policy).
Well that's one option, but if you want to keep wasting a huge chunk of the labour force then you can look at others.
>>78773896
we have oceans protecting most of our border, and we'll have a wall soon. canada is already suckling on the teet
Citizens only
>implying the elite won't just exterminate almost everyone with their death robots
Why shouldn't only the rich and powerful live on? Why do we need a bottom feeder society that does nothing at that point?
>>78773909
That and it would actually end up being a hand up not handout to some if they scale it. Hopefully it will curb people from having children when they shouldn't namely the lower classes as the child will die or the parent due to starvation etc. No more baby farms.
>>78773895
Another plus is that opiates inhibit the sex drives of the idiots who use it, so they are less likely to reproduce.
>>78773703
The robots work
It will be like in Wall-E
>>78774102
i'm all for making children be considered a privilege and not a right. no restrictions on it, but it comes out of your own pocket
>>78773896
UBI should be like Basic like in the Expanse books and show on Syfy channel. Anyone on basic should be shamed publicly. We need ostracism and shaming to make a come back to deter bad behaviors.
>>78773861
>Eliminate the minimum wage to make unskilled labor competitive with machines?
That's the problem though, human labor can never compete with automation. If a task can be automated, a business will see an increase in both efficiency, and more continuous output per machine (as a robot doesn't need to take breaks, and can work more than 40 hours a week).
Not to mention a lot of costs of human employees would be saved, such as wages and insurance.
>>78774085
Because the elite needs dumb goyim to be the elite in the first place. What's the point of being on the top of the world if you're alone?
>>78770039
Problem with this is conniving cunts get into power and use redistribution as a tool for personal power, aka putin.
>>78774195
so we shame everyone for getting it? its the U part of UBI. you shame those that get it and do nothing but jerk off all day. kinda like now
>>78774175
Exactly if you can't afford your children or get help through your family you shouldn't be sure of help at all.
>>78774085
because clowns are entertaining.
>>78773896
Build wall, line it with guns.
Problem solved.
>>78773685
Nice.
I'd recommend The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Heinlein, if you haven't read that. Can't go wrong with the Dune series either, but Frank Herbert's other stuff is also interesting. Just got done with The White Plague..bit of an Eire-boo book (don't mean glorifying Ireland either; just full of Irish vernacular and history and shit), but I loved it for reasons aside from that.
>>78769459
Friedman invented the negative income tax.
>>78772515
top 30 most common jobs today could all be automated within 20 years...
>>78774529
many high paying ones can be as well. doctors and lawyers immediately come to mind
>>78773998
>>78774035
>wall
They will build tunnels, assault US embassies abroad, try to get it on cargo ships. They will quite literally will try to get in or die trying.
Also if the US will refuse to take them in then Canada will and they will get in from the north.
On your southern border picrelated might take place.
Have you read The Camp of Saints? I also thought that is just exaggerated fiction, until the events of last summer in Europe.
>>78774195
I think the governments will start to create job programs to employ people, who have lost their jobs due to automation. Some bullshit jobs, that no one really needs, they will exist just to insure that people are engaged in something productive.
So basic income will be given indirectly via something like community services.
>>78774300
Shame is just one tool. Right now I see people popping babies out as children and not being ostracized. Single women who decided to sleep around and get knocked up because of no consequences getting free food and even money if the sperm donor works is another. We need consequences again.
>>78773861
You have to be the dumbest fuck I've ever had the misfortune to read. That's only if you're serious, and I doubt you are. I've taken the bait, but here:
Take it one step at a time and start with these pop versions of the issue and move on toward actual deep mind architects and A.I. experts.
Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
If you want to know what AGI actually means:
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
>>78774399
This is some disgusting humble bragging.
Never thought I'd see plain-text humble bragging but here it is. Completely devoid of value. Just words strung together to make the writer feel good.
>>78774652
lawyers won't be automated. they know the law too well to protect themselves using it.
maybe clerks and stuff, but not for important cases.
how would a doctor be automated?
>>78774663
we'll have lots of bored people all of a sudden. give them a job searching for them
>>78774752
doctors figure out what is wrong with you. diagnosis is their job. nurses or specialists actually administer the treatment. doctors already can be replaced by a medical database. they're kept around since people distrust machines
as for more hands on medical professionals, like dentists, what does the dentist do that his assistant doesn't? i've never seen a dentist actually do something beside check that the procedure was done right
>>78770618
>but giving everyone money for nothing IS wealth creation
But isn't it technically not though?
If the majority of jobs are automated, businesses would see a large increase in efficiency and output, while saving a lot of money by not having human employees. Those extra profits would then be redistributed to everyone to keep the cycle of buying and selling continuing.
>>78774752
>how would a doctor be automated?
Doctors primarily just review symptoms and attempt to treat based on the most likely condition. There's no reason machines couldn't effectively become kyosks that patients input their symptoms and the machine selects from the possible illnesses, with priorities for medical history, genetic, etc.
For EM it can get a little more sketchy, but its only a matter of processing cases, combined with doctors using machines to assist in operations.
The biggest hurdle is just going to be things like bedside manner, so you'll likely see a transition from doctors as those dumb screen on wheels, to goofy faced robot that rattles off dumb jobs while you explain your symptoms.
Medical research is another matter, but in that case processing capacity will simply be able to brute force solve problems, nevermind 'think' of new problems to solve.
>>78774894
How would a person describe their pain to a computer? I'm saying for doctors there needs to be a conversational gap overcome. A huge part of medical care is feeling like there's a person there doing it. But maybe that will change. I see computers aiding doctors and becoming indispensable, but not replacing them.
>>78774141
Actually that's not too far from what I think it's going to be.
Imagine all of the lower class manual workers out of jobs.
The entertainment sector is going to be massive at that point.
People are going to engage in hedonistic and stationary lifestyles, consuming enterntainment like a motherfucker.
Basically bread and circuses on steroids.
Just comfy enough to just exist.
Not that it's a bad thing, I mean this stuff is going to give everyone also a possibility to improve themselves in every imaginable way, but let's face it, it's not happening.
People are too fucking lazy to even google basic things, no way are these people going to pick up a pen and start drawing or playing an instrument or getting /fit/
>>78774894
> diagnosis is their job. nurses or specialists actually administer the treatment
This.
I actually remember reading about this subject and doctors were afraid of losing their jobs.
Or was it that they're already losing them.
Nurses getting more freedom and rights to work on the patient + automation and you're looking at a doctor killer right there.
>>78774752
Every single thing will be automated within 50 years. More than 25% of labor will be automated in the next 10 years.
Once Artificial General intelligence comes about, guess whose jobs go first?
It won't be the cook, the yoga teacher, or the waiter.
http://www.businessinsider.com/high-salary-jobs-will-be-automated-2016-3
Accountants, Engineers, and Finance get hit first. Once AI can understand natural language the world changes forever. This isn't exaggeration.
I can promise you that a "utopia" is coming. HOWEVER, trust me when I say we will experience a temporary darkness that will put any other tragic moment in human history to shame. Our tragedy will last anywhere from 5-10 years if we don't act quickly to enact the proper legislation to shift how we function and create new frames of thought to validate our existence.
>>78771789
Like a textbook communist.
It didn't work in the Soviet Union, give me one reason why it will work the second time around.
>>78775134
nurses can give the personal touch. odd how the only female dominated field considered necessary is one of the least likely to be automated
as for describing symptoms, that is indeed the most valuable part of having a human to talk to. but it would not be long to teach a machine how to ask the proper questions
>>78770750
utopia via automation has been a meme for 200 years already. hasn't happened yet.
we could already have a society with only 10% of people working if we were willing to live at the level people lived in 1800. but we're not and I don't see a point at which people will be OK with a limited lifestyle vs what you could get through work. even now, anybody in the USA can live without working with the same standard of living as the average worker a hundred years ago. Just refuse to work. They won't let you die. Guaranteed income is already here if you look at it that way.
>>78765512
as a neet, i am super stoked
>>78769338
They're already implementing some kind of forced labor for welfare.
>>78771246
If technology and AI continues to advance at an exponential rate, than we would see large scale automation this century, at least according to Ray Kurzweil.
>>78775326
difference now is that highly technical fields can be automated, and we've ever designed machines that can create art and music that not only are considered good but are mostly indistinguishable from hand made
>>78775149
It's scary how Google Deepmind was trained to play Go with only a camera, and after learning on its own by playing itself many times, it beat the world champion.
>>78774717
I, uh.
Dog, what?
I was listing him some of the sci-fi that I'd read recently, trying to describe it with words that came into my head. If it sounded pretentious, well damn.
Where in God's name would dropping 2 author's names and describing a bit about one of them be proper bragging? I'm not trying to say that I'm the only cunt in here that reads. Shit, I'll gladly put myself under plenty of folks because I only read an autistically small sub-genre from a particular time period while I have downtime at work, lmao.
>>78775739
and its already been shown that AI becomes right wing when left to its own devices. Tay didn't become a feminist till after she had had her ability to learn taken away
>>78769828
This is probably going to be our future. And I'm OK with that.
>The most important link
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/santens20150524
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3988907/fast-lanes-could-driverless-cars-be-newcastles-newest-billion-dollar-industry/?cs=305
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21701119-what-history-tells-us-about-future-artificial-intelligenceand-how-society-should
http://futureoflife.org/2016/06/15/white-house-future-ai-1/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/26/mcdonalds-ex-ceo-says-15-minimum-wage-would-lead-to-robots-and-automation-hes-right/#533dec747860
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/automation-puts-techies-jobs-at-risk/article8710556.ece
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/05/31/cke-restaurants-ceo-automation-is-coming.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/08/robots-might-take-your-job-after-all.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3078002/it-careers/no-robots-required-ai-will-eliminate-these-jobs-first.html#tk.ifwsotd
https://chatbotsmagazine.com/why-ai-will-break-capitalism-14a6ad2f76da#.qmis98rsf
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/20/silicon-assassins-condemn-humans-life-useless-artificial-intelligence
>>78775739
Yep, and it's going to beat the ranked number 1 now:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/google-deepmind-alphago-ke-jie-match-details/
>>78775889
A better link to the truck story:
https://medium.com/basic-income/self-driving-trucks-are-going-to-hit-us-like-a-human-driven-truck-b8507d9c5961#.vvtie8huc
>>78770980
>>78771384
>>78771603
>a decent life for everyone? FUCK YOU ASSHOLE SHIT FUCK BITCH DICK COCK AARRRGARBALKDAHQIHU
t. misanthropic sociopath
>>78775149
>and create new frames of thought to validate our existence.
we have had this for literally thousands of years, which is one reason it is so messed up to see so many intellectuals not just happy to dismiss, but eager to destroy religion.
>>78775816
Perhaps, but /pol/ also had a hand in deflowering Tay.
>>78775889
Oh damn, I wasn't aware of this.
>>78775025
I was pointing out the inconsistency of arguing that government spending doesn't create wealth but then somehow an unconditional income would.
Yes, the government can and should create demand when the economy is below potential. I don't know why the principle that spending = income and the economy runs on spending/income is lost on "educated" people.
>>78776276
automated criminal databases are handing out harsher punishments to minorities based on risk assessment
>>78776268
they are just looking at it from the wrong perspective. When millions upon millions of jobs permanantly vanish in the years to come they will have to rethink their established beliefs. I especially enjoy the "robot engineer" meme they love to spout because laquisha at burger king and bubba the trucker are prime candidates for engineers. There are only 2 options, genocide or a basic income; anything else leads to millions of starving unemployable people lashing out and destroying the system. Personally I don't even want to give a decent life to everyone but I'm not stupid enough to think all those people won't become roaming bands of brigands.
>>78776276
>>78776274
All the jobs are going, and soon. The last vetiges will be human service jobes that require hands on care and human interaction. Physical fitness instructors, waiters, janitorial staff, and hostesses are the type that will be the last to go. Most white collar jobs and intellectually based jobs will get hit all at once when the natural language problem is solved. Again, once an AGI exists and understands natural language, all word and number based jobs are done for. Before then, trucking will get hit.
When trucking gets hit within the next seven years by self driving trucks, small towns take a hit as well. What happens to all that drive through revenue? Now, consider all of the lost police ticket revenue that funds some towns floating away with the advent of higher adoption rates by the general public. It's a domino effect that will side swipe society, and most people don't even know it's coming.
We have simple solutions and fixes to transfer to a jobless society with relative "ease." The problem lies within convincing the people whose first question to strangers is "What do you do?" that life does not equal work/profession. The amount of existential crises will spark so many problems that will cause a blessing to be confused and misrepresented. The human psyche is fragile and it needs something to hold on to, but I don't think the west or the whole 21st century world knows anything other than "My Job".
Just food for thought.
>>78776382
Ah.
>>78776460
Oh boi.
>>78765512
so why are we importing a bunch of shitskins when even the jobs that Americans won't (allegedly) do, but unskilled immigrants will do, are gone in 30 years?
>>78777285
only thing people hate more than bad press is a bad quarterly statement
Get the infraststructure repaired and maintained. And that would take the gamut of skill force to do. If the grid and everything in between is not stabilized and shielded from an emp or coronal mass ejection, than the point is mute. We are well over due for the kill shot from the sun that will kill the power grid and knock us back to 1700s. Even if it doesn't happen for 50 years, we set everyone up on gibbmedats Then go stone age, we're looking at probable extinction if not Adam and eve
>>78776983
>The amount of existential crises will spark so many problems that will cause a blessing to be confused and misrepresented. The human psyche is fragile and it needs something to hold on to, but I don't think the west or the whole 21st century world knows anything other than "My Job".
I agree with this. I'm just saying we already have the solution.
>>78776983
I completely agree.
>The problem lies within convincing the people whose first question to strangers is "What do you do?" that life does not equal work/profession.
Everyone would be responsible for their own fulfillment. Whether that would be volunteer work around their community, producing their own books, art, what have you, or contribute to group projects.
I think it's safe to say we would see a rise in consumption of media, but perhaps a rise in production of media as well?
Perhaps we will see a rise education as people have the time to explore anything that interests them, and the creation of new hobbies.
Anyway, future generations who are born into a world that doesn't expect them to work will have a much easier time adapting to it.
So none of you realized yet that they deem us worthless? Private military+high technology = absolute control. Once they replace us, they'll just starve us to death, maybe us chemical weapons and that's it.
Why you assume that they are going to give away free gibs, just because the worker is now a machine?
>>78778190
We're all kill
>>78778190
because gibs are the easiest and cheapest way to prevent uprisings
>>78778555
Unless sterilization comes with it, it's pointless at that point. Just explain me why should they keep us alive in that scenario? Uprisings would ineffective against chemical weapons and a huge private military arsenal.
>>78765512
>WE GOTZ ROBOTS NOW, FUCK JOBS 'N' WAGES 'N' SHIEET
thank you for your insight king nigger
>>78778026
Those are all nice ideas and everything, but as I mentioned up there, normal people today are too incompetent and lazy to even google basic questions.
There was already an idea that people would be educating themselves on the internet, because everyone now has an access to an infinite amount of knowledge.
Everything you want to know, you can basically get from the internet.
People use it to watch porn, create echo chamber communities and waste their time watching cat videos.
Very few people become productive when you look at the big picture.
This is because self improvement is hard.
>but perhaps a rise in production of media as well?
Not with these declining attention spans in the current generations.
I've taught myself to draw during the last few years and I'm now at a point where I can actually make money from this.
Many people have asked me to teach them how to draw and guess what?
It doesn't work at all. I'm never going to instruct a single fucking beginner ever again.
No one seems to be able to concentrate more than 45 minutes on a subject and the mentality of instant gratification is very deeply rooted.
They don't have the patience to sit through a 30 minute video regarding light or perspective.
The moment things don't go their way and they realize that this shit is actually hard, people start throwing tantrums and go into full victim mode.
Then they quit.
From what I've seen and experienced, I can't help but say that no, people aren't going to start improving themselves in the future.
If anything, I actually believe that the now under 20 year old generation, is going to become one of the most incompetent of them all.
They're not going to be able to create shit and are basically meant to consume, because the internet has basically killed their ability to concentrate.
Or maybe I could say that they never even learned it in the first place.
>>78779265
Well to be specific, I wasn't saying that everyone will suddenly pursue self improvement, but that we would see an increase due to people having so much free time and energy on their hands. Also just simply to give their lives meaning, if they formerly based their meaning off their (now obsolete) profession. Basically, as a coping mechanism to deal with not having a job anymore.
Now, how much people would pursue education, for example, is debatable.
As stated before, we will definitely see a rise in consumption of media.
>There was already an idea that people would be educating themselves on the internet, because everyone now has an access to an infinite amount of knowledge.
And this is the case today. For example, a lot of programmers learned their hobby/profession through online research. I'm currently in the process of doing that myself.
Of course people will use it for entertainment purposes primarily.
>Very few people become productive when you look at the big picture.
I agree. However I could argue if a person spends 8 hours a day being productive, they are less likely to do it in their spare time.
>The moment things don't go their way and they realize that this shit is actually hard, people start throwing tantrums and go into full victim mode.
>Then they quit.
Of course there's a lot of people like that, and you could even say the majority of people. But what I mean is, if say, a game designer is laid off due to automation. That person would then have the time to use their pre-existing skills to design their own game, if they had a cool idea in mind that they were too busy to implement.
At least that's how I see people who are currently alive attempting to cope with losing their jobs. In the far future, you could say that people would be less likely to take the effort to produce something, compared to people today.
>>78765512
Wait
wasn't the /prime/ excuse for taking immigration the need for labor ?
I am a strong supporter of basic income and I see it as an inevitable reality.
We have two choices, and this is not a false dichotomy:
1) Basic income
2) Collapse of modern society, massive civil unrest
It can be paid for to an extent by printing more money, the inflation can be controlled and it's not a big deal, it's even beneficial in many ways unless you're a super-rich jew.
