Christians, report
Can we celebrate the triumph over the attempt to push a Vatican II on the Orthodox Church?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80lb1T0ecs [Embed] [Embed]
>The document affirms love and peace as the church's ideals, criticizes racism, inequality, moral degradation and "liberal globalism" -- it's an agenda as conservative as it is anodyne.
>Yet the Council could have changed the Orthodox churches' ossified attitude toward the rest of Cristendom, which has not changed since the Dark Ages. To Orthodox Christians, all other denominations are heresies, not churches. Some steps toward more ecumenism and more openness would already constitute serious progress for what is now the most conservative of Christian denominations. Patriarch Bartholomew, a friend of Pope Francis's, was determined to push it through.
Thankfully, it looks like his agenda has failed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-16/the-orthodox-church-stays-in-the-dark-ages
Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY2KzjVNoKY
Catholic church=Western civilisation and one true church
but but catholic cucks etc..
>Pope says gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
>Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
>Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
>Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
>He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
>Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
>Pope is against abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
>He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
>Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
>The Pope is misquoted often
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
>The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html
Marionfag from the last thread here.
I'm thinking about being Orthodox, any for/against?
>>77737813
Dude Bergoglio is a major globalist cuck
Antiochian Orthodox here
On another note:
These threads are for civilized constructive discussions regarding the Christian faith.
Atheists are more than welcome to join us here as we discuss politics, the current state of the church, and breaking down the fundamental meanings of what our religious alignments mean to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
Orthodox reading list and FAQ's for atheists, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims and Jews: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>77738021
Dude your tag literally says "GAY" in it lol
>>77737929
Antiochene Church is based, doing God's work with their evangelism.
>>77737901
Orthodoxy is good. Can be strict at times.
Born and raised Catholic here, my faith is about self improvement and discipline and furthering ones self by having a connection to God and doing good in his name.
It has made me a very enlightened and happy man but I suggest you look into something that suits you best.
>>77738125
Ga/ap does not spell gay. Get this shit off /pol/
>>77738324
That's how we don't spill it :)
>>77737901
I converted a year ago, best decision I've made
>>77738370
No :)
>>77737715
>What the fuck are you talking about you newfag non-Orthodox baptisms are accepted AS LONG AS you were baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. No bishop is just going to say "be baptized".
They're accepted insofar as they are made valid when you are received into the Church. A baptism is an initiation into the Church, and it's obviously not valid if it doesn't constitute that; it can constitute that when you are actually received into the Church, but if you never are, your baptism is never valid.
Bishops can demand you be baptized anew if they want, they just hardly ever do.
>>77738370
/pol/ is a Christian board and these generals have existed since /new/ and have been and on and off thing for a long time.
I encourage you to join in the discussion.
>>77738073
Orthodox Christianity vs Christian Zionism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtz995yz4-s
vs Jews
http://www.preteristarchive.com/ChurchHistory/0386_chrysostom_adversus-judeaus.html
vs Turks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVGTudBwR6Q
vs Catholics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuw_ZD_Wnlc
vs Protestants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGtQpLmEP14
vs Atheism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaWnGqNZb9c
vs Communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoAEKHBtNIA
vs Muslim refugees
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/86743.htm
vs ISIS
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-syria-air-strikes-are-holy-war-against-terrorism-says-russian-orthodox-church-1521847
vs "Progressive" theologians
http://orthodoxpost.com/archbishop-chrysostomos-errant-theologian-must-be-humbled/
vs Girly pastors, feminine Churches, not acting like a man
https://youtu.be/dFlC3mwRjP4
vs Pop Culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfY_ERWNjb4
vs moral and social issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIdSsQ9Ea8
>>77737602
Daily reminder to report and sage spam threads
>murdering people
>instead of converting them with long suffering and lovingkindness as the bible teaches
Gr8 b8 m8.
>>77738527
Of course they can but if you've already had a Trinitarian baptism then your entrance into the Church is just a chrismation, just like they would do to a baby after the baptism.
>>77737381
Crusaderkun !!SuwteC25JH9
>Let me specify here;
The homosexuals that walk and talk like normal human beings and not flamboyant sex monkeys are alright in my opinion. Just keep them the fuck away from Marriage
So homosexual acts are fine in your opinion?
>>77738680
Catholic view of Judaism
http://www.newsweek.com/pope-remarks-antisemitism-israel-388157
>The pope's apparent comments echo those he reportedly made to a Portuguese-Israeli journalist in May, when the journalist quoted him as saying, “Whoever does not recognize the Jewish people and the State of Israel is guilty of anti-Semitism.”
>“From a theological point of view, it is clear there is an inseparable bond between Christians and Jews,” [the Pope] continued, “and the church, while professing salvation through faith in Christ, recognizes the irrevocability of the covenant and God’s constant and faithful love for Israel.”
http://religionnews.com/2016/01/17/pope-francis-rome-synagogue-gods-covenant-jews-irrevocable/
Compare the Orthodox perspective (start at 35 min): http://orthodoxbiblestudy.info/st-john-chrysostom-anti-semite/
"Christ is still hated and cursed by many Jews...."
>>77738915
>war in Syria
>murder
>>77738347
Strict ? In what way(s) ?
>>77738476
Nice. What did it changed/added to your life?
I'm going to join the Anglican Catholic Church.
Being of English heritage, it fits.
They are seperate from the anglican church of canada (homosexual enablers) and the church of england (ditto). They left because the church was degrading and escaping it's catholic roots and letting women become priests ( fag marriage didn't come till later but they obviously reject that too). It's basically catholicism without the pope.
They use the KJV, and the1662 Book of Common Prayer. They have a very cool english language mass that resembles the old latin one. Search for "anglo-catholic mass" if you want to see on youtube.
I considered orthodox too, but there is none in my town.
Reminder, all churches teach that you are in relationship to God (The Father figure, The political Kingly figure)
your relationship to your father and to the political kings is reflected in this
but your churches have mislead you, not deliberately but through ignorance, it is your Identity that is God,
You are God, the name of God is "I AM"
who are you? who else could you be but God?
>>77737813
>Pope says gay marriage is from satan
A discussion on prayer by a former World of Warcraft animator.
Yes he looks kind of cringey, but his content was really good back in the day. Now he does casual discussions and podcasts regarding things people ask him about.
Here's a topic he looked upon regarding prayer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT78qquLJPM
>>77738741
These aren't spam threads.
If you would give it a chance and browsed a bit you would see that most of the people in these threads are well spoken people who wish to talk about their feelings regarding Christianity. Again, I encourage you to join in the discussion.
>>77738990
Homosexual acts? No. They're heresy.
A man should not lay with another man just as a woman should not lay with another woman. My opinion is that it is indeed degeneracy. I don't really care about Gay people though so long as they aren't jamming their sexuality down people's throats saying that they "Have to accept them for who they are."
>TFW the pope will never call for another crusade
>>77739161
>I'm going to join the Anglican Catholic Church. Being of English heritage, it fits. I considered orthodox too, but there is none in my town.
I thought in religion truth matters, not heritage or distance to church.
>>77739161
There is a growing Western Rite in the Antiochene Church. It uses Medieval Catholic music in English and Medieval Western style icons. There is also an Orthodox Book of Common Prayer
Hopefully Prince Charles will make the Church of England the English Orthodox Church, as he appears to be considering
>>77739150
I have friends I look forward to seeing at Church, I pray at lot more, I try to eat better, my relationship has gotten better, I'm more loving towards people, more patient. The Orthodox faith is a very tangible faith- you can see it, you can smell it, you can taste it, you can touch it. When you have it in your life it is hard to ever want to let it go, and when you feel the grace you tend to see the good in everything. I don't think I've ever felt such joy.
>>77739272
The Pope loves teh gay
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/
>>77739011
I don't think St. John Chrysostom could have possibly been more clear on the Jews, see pic related.
>be orthocuck
>lose their capital
>>77739150
It's hard to explain really, I'm not really a follower of the Orthodox Church but I can say that it follows the Bible more... Literally?
Well let me explain;
The whole center of Orthodox Christianity is the worship of Jesus Christ and following his teachings from the Bible. They commit themselves to Christ more so than any other branch. So from that you can kind of get the picture that Orthodox Christians follow the Bible down to a T.
Catholics show their devotion and discipline to God and Christ are more of a casual Christian branch that focuses on the power of faith.
Hard for me to explain really.
>>77739361
He's not my Pope.
>>77740151
Mount Athos is our capital, dude.
>>77740161
I wouldn't say we are more literal since we tend to reject the way protestants interpret scriptures because we believe scripture has a literal, allegorical, and spiritual interpretation, and many protestants only focus on the literal. Perhaps we are more pious than Catholics, but it depends on what type of Catholic I suppose.
Also still seeking some catholics vs orthodoxy arguments from catholic perspective. Orthodox perspective I've already know.
>>77740262
How to you connect this view with papal infallibility dogma?
>>77740151
>>77740151
>be cuckolic
>Use treachery to take over a true Christian empire's capital instead of killing Muslims to stop further invasions
>>77740630
This tells you all you need to know
Orthodox hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc
Catholic hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iOBOIwQ2o
>>77740761
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism
>>77740969
When your the only Baptist in the thread
>>77741069
Baptists are heretical as heck, but we like your support of Christian morality
https://mospat.ru/en/2015/10/28/news124369/
if those post gets triplets god is real
if singles the Christian god is real but has no powers and hell doesn't exist
if doubles there is no god
>>77740969
Oh come Catholics also have good ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quYIZ7wRnII
I really always liked this one.
>>77740503
This picture just goes to show that many Catholics don't have a clue what they are talking about.
We tell them that the bible is the Word of God, and that when it says something it's true. Then they reply 'oh look it's a prottie heretic that thinks he knows better than the pope, the apostles, the saints and everyone else, just accept that they know more than you', and they put the non-biblical writings above the bible.
Then this picture here basically says the opposite, it's a picture of a christian basically telling people that the bible is true and explaining scripture.
I hope you can see the irony and if you are one of those people, I hope you will trust in the truth of God's Word.
>>77741172
If following the Bible over men is a heresy, than I'm a heretic for Christ. But if you want to get into false doctrine
Eph 2:8-10
Romans 4
Galatians 1:6-10
>>77741032
But they are not really catholics.
Return to cripple chan /christian/ shills
>>77740503
>>77739150
This guy can probably describe the Orthodox faith more clearly than I can. But essentially the Catholic ideology reflects a bit more of the values and traditions that are present in the Christian Faith rather than the actual devotion part. (That doesn't mean we're not devoted!)
>>77740761
I can say with a certainty that with everything going on in the world today we can make an exception to this. What the Pope did was wrong in my eyes.
>>77741388
We're would you be without us :)
>>77741388
These threads hold some of the most constructive conversations on /pol/.
>>77741287
But this sort of music is seldom used in actual Catholic liturgy these days.
We have the much older sort in our Western Rite, it's just in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16FiUs2JcL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31TqJsTObBc
>>77741496
>I can say with a certainty that with everything going on in the world today we can make an exception to this. What the Pope did was wrong in my eyes.
It's clearly a heresy.
>>77741333
That quote is against sola scriptura. To focus on the letter and not the spirit is to get caught up in the literal text and ignore the higher spiritual meaning. St. Maximus argued that to do so is to behave like a Jew. Here is the full passage that he quoted.
and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Co 3:3
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 2Co 3:6-9
>>77741713
>>77741713
I don't know if I would go far enough to say that; he thought what he was doing was right but he went against church by kissing the feet of men who would want to see the West as a whole destroyed and our religion buried beneath the Earth.
The Pope being a representation of the Christian faith made US seem weak. That is something I will have to burden myself knowing for a lifetime.
>>77741630
Yeah I know. Too bad the old catholic rite was destroyed.
>>77742011
>That quote is against sola scriptura
No it's not. You also missed the point.
The point is, it's a "saint" who is literally using scripture, to explain something. He isn't telling people to worship a pope, defer to the teachings of a scribe or priest, and especially is not placing tradition over scripture.
The person in the picture is doing the complete opposite of a Catholic and is putting scripture above anything else. Sounds like a nice guy to me.
>>77742358
All baptized Christians are saints
>>77742423
That's why I put it in quotation marks.
>>77742252
Not for us. Our Western Rite uses stuff from the Medieval ages.
Pic related, for instance, is an Orthodox icon: Western Rite. It's "Romanesque" (a Medieval style), yet it is a contemporary work. While this sort of thing is dead in the Catholic Church, it's alive in the Orthodox
Here is the Liturgy of Saint Germanus, which dates from the 6th Century, in France: it was dead, but Orthodox Western Rite revived it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGvjx1102U8
>>77742358
I think I understand the teachings of my Church Fathers more than someone who is outside the Church anon.
>>77742423
>tfw Baptized at the Vatican
>>77742517
>liturgy
Notice too how no polyphony or instruments are used, which is very Orthodox. Yet this is very Western. The West used to be Orthodox
>>77742129
>I don't know if I would go far enough to say that; he thought what he was doing was right but he went against church by kissing the feet of men who would want to see the West as a whole destroyed and our religion buried beneath the Earth.
Like I said in preavious thread I really don't know why people get s mad about his. After all muslims are people (most of them normal) who suffers becouse of war, and they even share more values with christians than the secular west. Also Christ said love your enemy - I know it does not mean we should accept any muslim in our countries, but that was gesture to show christians - love your enemy.
The worse things the pope does are like comunnion for re-marriage and things like "who am I to judge".
>>77742570
>guy uses scripture and doesn't even mention tradition
>is somehow called a catholic
>guy on 4chan puts tradition above scripture
>says he understands the catholic saints more than someone else
>uses a picture of someone who does the opposite
I don't know, guy. May God bless you, though.
>>77742467
Good :), I don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation, but a person who has made a profession of faith, but hasn't been Baptized is not in full obedience
>>77742779
Yeah but go as far to kiss and wash the feet of the enemy? It didn't make him seem humble. It didn't make him seem nobel. It made him seem disgusting and weak.
>>77742517
really nice, saved
Here is a contemporary painted Romanesque icons
100% Western
100% Orthodox
>>77742581
Unless you Repent and put your trust in Christ, baptism is just going in a dry sinner, and coming up a wet sinner
>>77743086
Baptism is entering the covenant with God. There is only one covenant currently going, and in the last one God not only allowed infants in, he *demanded* infants be brought in; you think he would now bar them from his covenant?
Jesus is just a prophet not a God
>>77743019
It was a feet of a normal guy not a terrorist, just to show christian they should remeber muslism are people too. It's not really big deal to me. What;s bother me is chaos in church doctrine. The pope literally says something valid one day and the next day something heretical like atheist don't really need to belive to be saved, animals can go to heaven, changing doctrine of marriage, tolerating liberal modernist in church. That's why I really don't know should I really come back to Catholic church.
>>77743519
Here is an icon of Christ from the 6th Century
>>77743532
Well what's your current branch at the moment, Orthodox?
>>77743519
Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
>>77743519
maybe he was used as a model. freestyle painting usually doesn't look good.
>>77743477
One enters the covonent on faith (eph2:8-10), (Romans 4) (Romans 5:1), John 3, 1John 5:11,
Baptism is a public declaration of this faith,
Hi, Redditor here.
I'd just like to say, that I am soooooo, like, annoyed by your claims of being Christian. Seriously. I am totally annoyed, what with me being an atheist. Also my Muslim friend who is reading this is annoyed and stuff too. You guys are just way too edgy for me. Grrrr. Aaargh. Etc.
Well done guys, jpb done.
On a serious note though
>Pretending to follow a religion that worships a plank of wood to make a point that no-one cares about
Fucking losers lmao
>>77743801
Muslims don't accept the Bible, old or new testament.
>>77743532
This might help
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
>>77743872
No, baptism is a very real initiation, it is the new circumcision. It's worthless without faith, but so is circumcision.
>>77743923
Yes, but everyone must see the light of God's Word.
>>77743908
Bye :)
>>77743700
I'm not Orthodox. I was raised as a Catholic, lost faith like 10 years ago, and now I'm thinking of coming back. But I get the feeling that with this pope, and with many liberal bishop, one day this Church will go full heretical like protestant and will accept lgbt, abortion, divorce etc.
>>77743519
wrong.
>>77743989
Read Romans 4
>>77743908
>>77744116
I have. My Church has read it continuously since its inception.
It doesn't mean God is suddenly excluding infants from his covenant.
>>77744063
Shit, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be a dick while you're just trying to LARP with your fellow LARPers in peace.
>>77744325
God has an obligation to save infants?
>>77737602
do the heretics worshiping the antipope because they are too stupid to notice he is the antipope go to hell?
Obviously the ones who see and do nothing will.
>>77743967
Thanks, I know he's misquoted often, but sometimes he makes really ambiguous on purpose. Last Apostolic exhortation with case of comunnion for remarriage people is the best example.
>>77744072
Stick with Polish Catholicism it's unwavering to liberal agenda.
Unfortunately for me I'm stuck with the Commie Pope who is a disgrace to Right Wing Italians everywhere.
>>77744356
We encourage you to join us in having civil discussion regarding the topic of religion. (And not just to troll!)
>>77744474
Let's not call each other stupid. It's going to be unthinkably horrible for people to be separated from God, they need forgiveness, not condemnation.
>>77744533
>Expects serious discussion
>Name is Crusaderkun
LARPers gonna LARP.
>>77744533
Yes it is still pretty based, but the funny part is polish catholicism is a part of roman catholicism, and the pope has the last word.
>>77743923
Muslims get their affirmation from Abraham. You fuck, and also, the first 5 books of moses.
>>77744411
God doesn't have an obligation to save anyone, but it's clear he wants infants in his covenant because he outright demands it in the old testament.
>>77744845
They believe in characters, but not the Bible's telling. That includes the first five books of Moses as well. For instance, they didn't think Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac, they think it was Ishmael (father of the Arabs).
>>77744356
Your still here, have you heard the good news:)
>>77744812
Said the Redditor as Ahmed munched on a kebab while having extremely rough sex with his Wife right next to him.
>>77744818
Unfortunately you are right but that shouldn't stop you from following the Catholic faith. You should be thankful that you have so many based Christians that can respect and relate to your views. All of my Roman relatives are extremely bluepilled and hope to push the whole LGBT thing that's currently manifesting in Italia at the moment. I'm pretty sure the pope is for it too which I why I try to just ignore him and focus on other things.
>>77744933
That was for the nation of Israel, old covenant for the decendants of Abraham, the new covenant is more for individuals
>>77745402
We are considered descendants of Abraham through Christ, derp. Because the old covenant is fulfilled, now God doesn't want infants in it? Does that make sense?
>>77745817
Verse?
Can any Anglicans here explain what's the deal with TECUSA being suspended or something for a couple years? Does that mean that it can be kicked out of the Anglican Communion? If so, would another anglican church have to replace the episcopal one here in the states?
For those who don't get this, the Pope is basically making it WAY easier to get an annulment, because "not understanding the commitment to marriage" is a valid reason for one in the Catholic Church.
>>77745243
It's still a mysthery to me how people can be christians and be for LGBT movement. But they are just people they cannot change doctrine. Things get serious when high church official are pro-LGBT and the pope does nothing about it. The feet of muslim is a blink of an eye, the doctrine should remain unchanged, otherwise it's not the true church.
>>77746039
Valid grounds for annulment of marriage in the Catholic Church include, but are not limited to:
*you married for social status but the person did not have the status you expected
*you didn't know marriage was a "permanent relationship"
*you married intending to have the option of divorce open
*you did not know marriage was an "exclusive relationship"
http://www.stmarys-waco.org/documents/Grounds%20for%20Marriage%20Annulment%20in%20the%20Catholic%20Church.pdf
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/marital_consent.htm
But adultery isn't one of them. Neither is abondoment. So if your wife gets knocked up by another guy, you are obligated to stay with her. Or if you are a mother of three and your husband leaves, you are obligated to raise them as a single mother. But all these stupid reasons are allowed
Compare the Orthodox reasons for divorce, very simple, very practical, pic related
>>77745881
Galatians 3:29
>>77737602
I suggest we all include the original General text
( For all things Christian
Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants alike are welcome to discuss theology. Try to be polite.
Atheists also welcome, but try to be constructive.
Pastebin for believers and curious folk
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
Pastebin for Orthodox
http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x )
and then other stuff the OP wants after it
>>77746039
Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about.
>>77746039
Yet more reasons to not go to RCIA for me.
Reminder for all true Christians to COME OUT of the catholic church. The pope is a major deciever and following the teachings of this church will grant you a first class ticket to the lake of fire. There if one true established way, the one that Jesus Christ made for man. The catholics want you to follow the broad path that leads to damnation.
>>77746149
Would vote for Penn in a heartbeat.
>>77744079
>Dat mantrain
>>77746295
Which church do you belong to?
>>77746737
He's probably an Orthodox guy.
>>77746867
No, he's Protestant, Orthodox don't talk like that
There are two kinds of Protestant, his kind
And this kind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bWHSpmXEJs
>>77746991
>I'm Christian, but I'm not
That title is so accurate
>>77746295
>The catholics want you to follow the broad path
I don't think they are part of a conspiracy. I believe most of them were raised in there. Every denomination has problems. What matters is that we love God and each other.
Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
>>77746991
This hurts my soul.
Not sure How keen I am about all of this inter-denomination hate. Discussions and disagreements are fine, but saying 'hurrr Pope is literally the anti-chirst', or 'AHAHHA look at these protestant heretics', without any substantial arguments is just causing divisions in Christ's Church, and is very literally doing the devil's work for him.
>>77746737
>>77746867
No, i am a christian. I go to a small church that takes and preaches the word of God as it is written. You should always be critical of major religious institutions as there are alot of false teachings. You should get to know God. by reading his word rather than listening to a preacher.
>>77748419
>rather than listening to a preacher
But preachers can help us.
Also, we must be careful as to not speak down to others, as it is a sin.
>>77748419
>You should always be critical of major religious institutions as there are alot of false teachings
this is why we have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bWHSpmXEJs
>>77748419
Church of Christ?
>>77749557
We're all part of Christ's Church anon :)
>>77750125
No it's a non denominational denomination, I grew up in it
Psalm 2
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
is sedevecantism heresy or just a "theological position"?
local biships are Peronists shills, only traditionalist groups here preach the integrity of catholicism
>>77741496
Thanks.
So, I'm going to buy a Bible, does it change within the differents "types" of Chritians ? (Orthodox Bible, Catholic Bible etc.)
And if yes, what is the best Orthodox one ? Thanks.
Hey anons, I'm looking into Orthodoxy and it is really resonating with me. Can someone link me to some material on how Orthodoxy handles grace? Any other good material is welcomed too. God bless.
>>77751696
King James is fine for most Orthodox Christians.
If you want a technically appropriate one, we use the Septuagint rather than the Masoretic for the OT.
You can find a link to an Orthodox OT and an Orthodox NT in the pastebin reading list
>>77751767
In Orthodoxy, grace is anoter name for God's uncreated energies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence%E2%80%93Energies_distinction
Here is an Orthodox pastebin for you
>>77738073
>>77751696
The Ignatius bible is good. It has all the books in it, unlike most bibles you'll find.
Find it at a catholic book store near you, or online from amazon.
>>77752075
>>77751883
Thanks.
>>77737602
Jesus was a homosexual. He was obviously banging everyone of his disciples. Why else would he not allow women to be priests?
argie FFSPX seminar
this is where im considering to go.
I checked with other seminars but they're kind of lukewarm, trads. pointed out their many faults
>>77737602
Can anyone recommend a good English speaking Orthodox Church in Sacramento?
>>77753176
St. Athanasius Antiochian Orthodox Church is probably your best bet if you want English. The Antiochenes are the major evangelists of Orthodoxy, and most of them in America are convert.
>>77737602
Oh look the biggest cucks on pol have there own general
>>77752593
wew lad, classic case of rebelling against traditional values by being an edgy teenager. did you read The Da Vinci code for the first time too?
>>77738324
I'm glad a distinction was made for Lutheran. I've wanted to convert to Catholicism, but I don't think they can accept a monergist like me. I'm fairly certain it's considered heresy.
>>77753661
We cuck so hard against Faggatry, Abortion, Divorce, sexual promiscuity, drunkeness, Marxism etc
Great Orthodox teachings in English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeEHaQjgpOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oSOxaj-E-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87GvZrM0Kbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHE6oqCc_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQiIC6mZdtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faQwgodvqdA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMxEBf8tTt8
Extra - a nice chant :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjRHqMpsNb4
>>77741069
Lutheran here.
Why are you baptist? Most Baptists I've met have no reverence for history and favor vague quips from the 80's over scriptural doctrine.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET YOURSELF TO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS REAL
REEEEEEE
>>77754219
It truly is sad that some peoples lives are so void of meaning that they have to make up imaginary friends with imaginary rules to make there lives meaningfull
Does internet piracy violate the commandment of not stealing?
>>77754891
Listen to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT78qquLJPM
He explains it from a neutral point of view.
>>77744079
>EU4
EU3 is objectively better.
>>77754929
I know he exists
>>77755104
he looks like such a nice guy
>>77754773
I'm a reformed Baptist, but I understand where you are coming from, I would probably say location is key, so in the United States it's gonna be different than euro Baptist. Anything specific though?
>>77754891
Try the atheist FAQ here
>>77738073
>>77755034
Yes
>>77755034
No. Copying something was not considered theft in Biblical times, and was done freely.
It might be considered wrong in that it is violating the law of your land, and we are supposed to obey the law, but it is not, theologically, considered theft.
>>77755462
I'm a big fan of his, he used to make World of Warcraft Machinima back when the game was actually good. He quit because he had to raise a kid and now does casual pod casts. His wife is h00000t.
>>77755531
I have a few stories of my encounters with Baptists. A lot of confrontations with the ones yelling on the streets. The worst story is when I was with some atheist friends that I had been talking to about Christian philosophy, and they were very interested. A bunch of Baptists came up to them while I was getting a drink and tried to force them to come watch God's Not Dead.
>>77755696
That violates Romans 13
>>77755787
Right (as did the America Revolution and all depositions of monarchs), but it doesn't violate the commandment against theft.
>(((Leonid Bershidsky)))
And he was serious about actually claiming Pope Francis' line is good because he's so popular and has so many Twitter followers. As if religious doctrines should be judged by the number of Twitter followers wtf
>>77755760
Yeah in the United States, we kinda have a fast food gospel Christian culture, so I understand, I'm reformed/Calvinist in my theology, but I'm a Baptist because I think baptism was for believers and by immersing in water, but yeah I know what your talking about with the T shirt Christian Rock crowd that comes along with it
>>77755863
Theft is within the context of our nation, we are supposed to obey the laws of the land
>>77756245
Is my flag not from the US? I'm in the US, too. Yeah, that whole crowd is somewhat obnoxious. They've seemed to widely rejected social progressivism, so that's a plus. Sadly, most are complementarians.
>>77756245
The idea that infants shouldn't be baptized is a very modernist theology built upon extended mortality. Back when kinds very often died before 2, of course you'd baptize your infants.
>>77756336
No, theft, theologically, is defined by the Christian conception of theft. To draw a parralel: if your state says killing mice is illegal and murder, then you can be faulted for breaking your land's laws, but it's not going to be counted as murder sin-wise, it would just be counted as insubordination to authority.
>>77756503
My idea is that Baptism follows a profession of Faith Acts 8
And that immersion gives the best symbolic representation of Baptism Romans 6
I don't believe it necessary for salvation, but I just think believers Baptism is the most accurate to the first century church
>>77756703
Yep, have you been saved?
>>77753176
Thank you, I will try to attend tomorrow's service.
Also, what exactly should I wear to an Orthodox Church?
>>77756785
Orthodox always baptize by immersion.
The idea that you wouldn't be able to baptize your children is presuming that parents were not considered spokesmen for their children back then. If your child needed an operation, the parent is asked in place of the child. The same with baptism. This is why even infants could be initiated into the old covenant.
>>77756903
I'll find out when I am judged before Christ. To presume his judgement is, well, presumptuous.
What are some good Christian music to listen to (can be any genre)?
>>77756458
Yeah, that's the truth, for more informed Baptist guys, look into James White and John Piper
>>77756931
Slacks and a dress shirt at the least, generally, a suit if you'd like.
>>77757042
So you haven't put your trust in Christ alone?
What cringy things have you done in your Atheist phase?
>>77757127
I've liked some of John Piper. Disliked his complementarianism, enjoyed some of his "Christian hedonism" arguments. (For people who don't know, that just means that the moral Christian life is the most pleasing, not that Christians should be hedonists.)
>>77757103
Whom shall I fear
Our God is an awesome God
There is power in his name
Father I adore you
What's the best way for someone who hasn't really practiced being a Christian for a long time to study the Bible other than going to Bible Study?
do souls have genders?
i know humans DO have genders;but does it come from testorerone and ostregens or from spiritual nature?
can the lack of the first be replaced by the latter(an enuch becoming manly trough his inherent nature,for example)
>>77757307
>Our God is an awesome God
Gospel rap before Chance ever touched it.
>>77757272
Yeah I was confused when I heard that too
>>77757103
Here are some Orthodox hymns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6-u_6dZ8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MGVBuQHcMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qLQWwc92Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
>>77757322
Read the Book of Romans, and then John
>>77757390
I would say more Christian Rock, but I guess there is a rap version, I don't recall it
>>77757185
I trust him completely, but I don't presume his judgement. He says himself there will be those who call his name or think that serve him, but will be judged against.
>>77757586
Read John 3
Then John 6:37
>>77757322
Read the New Testament, then the Old Testament.
If you want commentary, look to the most ancient commentators.
>>77757577
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w2b033DXCw
I went to Catholic Secondary School and after Mass, the school's vocal teacher who ran the choir would always perform this song with the choir.
>>77757653
I have, I'm not sure if you are trying to negate what I just said.
>>77757738
Not the version I like
>>77757898
Eh, you like the version where it's just the chorus being repeated?
>>77757979
Yeah
Orthodoxy is the true faith
Hey guys, how do you keep the faith strong and alive in the atheistic/anti-theistic climate we live in today?
Traditionalism is the biggest red pill
>redhead on the left just told Trump he was prophesied in the bible
>"you are the last Trumpet"
>"no, I'm the first"
>The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
What did he mean by this? Is Trump going to start nuclear war and bring the end of times? Also can I get a summary of all the Trumpets?
>>77758191
Pfft, we survived the USSR, this is nothing.
>>77758259
Do you have video of him actually saying this?
>>77758042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RGcb7alSk0
To be honest, listening to this, it brings me up higher than the other version.
>>77737813
you forgot the part where Francis compared Jesus to Isis.
>>77758314
didnt stalin make kind of treaty with the orthodox?
and he at least didnt push faggotry and paedophilia like todays media
Friends and brothers, as I am still trying to further myself in Christ, one thing weighs heavy on my heart. I often see much hate for the Jews on /pol/, and even though I agree that many of the things they do are wrong, are they not God's chosen people? How do I reconcile this hatred?
>>77758440
If you're going to go in for Protestant music, as least pick something powerful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUhU0HgTq94
>>77752003
Are you a priest, or do you have any rank in the Clergy?
>>77757322
Not sure about your confession but for Orthodoxy the first thing is start going to Church.
This is because Orthodoxy maintains position that essential thing for interpreting the Bible is attaining so called "spirit of the Church". Otherwise you start interpreting Bible yourself which is bad because it leads to reading meaning into Bible, creates heresies and is a main reason for exponential rise in number of new denominations
>>77758617
He had to. At first the USSR tried to replace the Orthodox Church with the "Rennovated" Orthodox Church, and took most of our parishes and many of our clergy defected, the rest were put in prison. But people wouldn't go, they knew it was bull, and in WWII Stalin was desperate to get people to fight, so he gave the parishes back and let the clergy out of prison, and the clergy that defected had to do solemn penance for reconciled apostates. But after Stalin died, persecution resumed.
>>77758806
Oh, but I go to Catholic church
>>77758635
>are they not God's chosen people
No Christ established a new covenant, the true Israel is the Orthodox Church
>>77758635
>are they not God's chosen people?
Not in Orthodox Christianity. Christians are the inheritors of the promise to Abraham, Judaism literally comes out of Pharisaic Judaism, they are apostates from their own inheritance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LUjM0ovF-M
>>77758786
No, I'm disqualified, but not for anything bad, but you know....
>>77752003
To you
and this guy
>>77759005
And to everyone that speaks in the name of Orthodox Church:
Council in Trullo (692) Canon 64 prohibits laymen from teaching publicly:
It does not befit a layman to dispute or teach publicly, thus claiming for himself authority to teach, but he should yield to the order appointed by the Lord, and to open his ears to those who have received the grace to teach, and be taught by them divine things; for in one Church God has made "different members," according to the word of the Apostle: and Gregory the Theologian, wisely interpreting this passage, commends the order in vogue with them saying: "This order brethren we revere, this we guard. Let this one be the ear; that one the tongue, the hand or any other member. Let this one teach, but let that one learn." And a little further on: "Learning in docility and abounding in cheerfulness, and ministering with alacrity, we shall not all be the tongue which is the more active member, not all of us Apostles, not all prophets, nor shall we all interpret." And again: "Why do you make yourself a shepherd when you are a sheep? Why become the head when you are a foot? Why do you try to be a commander when you are enrolled in the number of the soldiers?" And elsewhere: "Wisdom orders, Be not swift in words; nor compare yourself with the rich, being poor; nor seek to be wiser than the wise." But if any one be found weakening the present canon, he is to be cut off for forty days.
The punishment is at first excommunication for 40 days. Stop angry God.
>>77758423
No. I just saw it on a post. There are like 4 /trumpgen/'s and a whole bunch shills splitting the threads right now so I don't know where to ask. I'll try to find it for you though.
Did Christ teach socialist values? Do any of the New Testament teachings promote socialism or any variation of what we call Communism today?
>>77758910
True Israel is anybody who follows and accepts Christ
>>77759166
Plenty of works on theology are written by laymen. This is about street preaching and things like that.
>>77758635
Seeming that the bible was written by Jews it's safe to assume that it's just Jewish tricks.
>>77759166
I'll further add that Sunday school is taught by laymen in my Church, as well as Catechumen class.
>>77758881
if putin renounced soviet-tism he would be a true christian leader
he is the only one fighting moslems
>>77759330
No. He taught individuals to care about the poor.
>>77759330
Christ and the Apostles taught no particular form of politics except to obey the authorities.
They were socialists philosophically, but not politically--give away your wealth and have your things in common, don't force other people to. Pretty much the opposite of political socialism, which demands everyone else give away and hold all things in common, but refuses oneself to do it.
>>77759584
Putin is the first Russian leader to criticize Lenin
He is very much a Christian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk
>>77759426
With approval of Clergy yes, otherwise they're heretical writings. The official seal needs to be on the book.
>>77759481
Then you are part of a huge heresy, preaching without a priest it's clearly heresy.
How can you be so clueless - you're describing me a protestant church... not the body of Christ.
In all the history of the Church the two main factors which lead to birth of sects were: people reading scriptures without the blessing and without the guidance of books written trough Church or by the blessing and help of Clergy - and secondly trough groups of laymen preaching to each other without a Priest.
>>77738680
Thank you
>>77737813
I like how the trans article tries to make it seem like embracing the victim of a tragedy and condemning a tragedy are mutually exclusive ideas.
What do you guys think of these Jesus Christ Superstar lyrics sung by Jesus hismelf, do you think they accurately convey the message of Christ?
"Surely, you're not saying we have the resources
To save the poor from their lot
There will be poor always pathetically struggling
Look at the good things you've got
Think while you still have me
Move while you still see me
You'll be lost, you'll be so, so sorry
When I'm gone"
(Everything's Alright)
The context of this is that Judas just called out Mary Magdelene for using expensive ointment to clean up Christ and how they could have raised money for people who are poor and starving that deserve it more than them.
"I must be mad thinking I'll be remembered - yes
I must be out of my head!
Look at your blank faces! My name will mean nothing
Ten minutes after I'm dead"
(The Last Supper)
This is what Christ sings during the Last Supper after breaking bread and before revealing Peter's denial and Judas' betrayal.
"I only want to say if there is a way
Take this cup away from me
For I don't want to taste its poison
Feel it burn me, I have changed
I'm not as sure as when we started"
(Gethsemane)
That's only the beginning of a song where Jesus is portrayed as questioning why he has to sacrifice himself before accepting to do it rather than accepting it head on.
Although this musical is told in the point of view of Judas which portrays Christ as more human-like, do you think there is something sacreligious in the portrayal of Jesus?
>>77759739
>With approval of Clergy yes, otherwise they're heretical writings. The official seal needs to be on the book.
Everything I put in the pastebin is backed up with links to official sources.
>Then you are part of a huge heresy, preaching without a priest it's clearly heresy.
What are you talking about, there were tons of works that came out of monasteries written by non-clerical monks that are highly regarded.
Heresy is going against dogma. By your standard, the Church is in heresy all over the place because we have overlapping jurisdiction, which goes against canons.
>In all the history of the Church the two main factors which lead to birth of sects were: people reading scriptures without the blessing and without the guidance of books written trough Church or by the blessing and help of Clergy - and secondly trough groups of laymen preaching to each other without a Priest.
What a bunch of Latinist nonsense. Until the Reformation, the number one source of heresies were clerics. Arian was a priest, Nestorius was a patriarch, etc.
>>77759697
good =D
>>77759697
>>77760590
he just say shit against Lenin because he was too cool with hohols
Should I read the KJV if I want a beautiful translation of the Bible? What translation do you recommend for someone going through it mostly for the first time?
>>77760317
I won't respond to most of your non-sense you seem in the dark and you pretend to preach about the Light.
>Arian was a priest, Nestorius was a patriarch, etc.
They were all condemned by the same councils which tell you how to behave and what to not do, if you ever took your time to read them.
You don't seem to be Orthodox - in that case you're simply deep in heresy if you still pretend to be a Christian, going to leave now - 4chan it's not a place to discuss Christianity, I just came here for the memes - and seeing this thread often I just wanted to remind orthodox people about how they should behave.
Bye.
>>77760935
http://www.ignatius.com/Products/IBL2-P/Ignatius-Bible-RSV-2nd-Edition--Leather.aspx
What do you guys think of Red Letter Bibles? Do you think they're preferrable or do you just want it plain and simple?
>>77760955
>They were all condemned by the same councils which tell you how to behave and what to not do
Councils cannot create dogma, they can only defend dogma which has existed since Christ, they cannot add, they cannot modify, they cannot prune. Whether they were condemned by these councils or not would not change whether or not they were heretics, they were because they disagreed with dogma.
Canons are how to behave are not dogma, they are just canons, they can be modified, abridged, amended, annulled. For instance, the canons established five autocephelaous churches at one point (the Pentarchy); now there are fourteen. Priests have to be I think thirty or forty in the canons, but now they are often in their twenties.
Don't conflate canons with dogma, that's Latin. Some canons are never going to change because they work so well (like bishops having to be tonsured), but the vast majority are subject to change.
>>77742358
Both quotes say nothing on the issue but history shows us that such a view of Sola Scriptura is contradictory to the Early Church and all the Fathers. Too bad Protshit
Do you guys masturbate? Is it a sin to?
>>77761183
KJV is most beautiful and mostly faith, I recommend it highly.
>>77761330
Gimmicky eyesore
>>77761791
Masturbation is a very serious sin.
