>Western civilisation is on the brink of a collapse like that of ancient Rome because the modern generation does not want the responsibility of bringing up children, the former Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks has warned.
>He singled out falling birth-rates alongside the addiction to debt, the breakup of the family unit and a growing gap between the super-rich and the rest among a handful of major crises facing Britain and other European countries which neither governments nor the market seem able to solve.
>But ultimately, he said, European society as we know it “will die” because of the demographic crisis.
>He warned that even mass immigration is not a solution because of problems integrating new arrivals into existing society.
>Europe is going to die because of this because Europe can only maintain its population by unprecedented levels of immigration
>His intervention, in an interview with The Daily Telegraph, makes him one of only a handful of public figures in recent memory to raise the alarm about declining fertility rates as a serious social problem.
>He also warned that Britain is losing its national “memory” and cultural identity because people in the digital age simply have shorter attention spans and have little grasp of history.
>There was, he said, “no question” that this poses a serious threat to the future of western civilisation as we know it.
>“The contemporary historian of ancient Greece and ancient Rome saw their civilisations begin their decline and fall, both the Greeks and the Romans attributed it to falling birth rates because nobody wanted the responsibilities of bringing up children,” he said.
>Both the Greeks and the Romans attributed it to falling birth rates because nobody wanted the responsibilities of bringing up children
Lord Sacks
>“They were too focussed on enjoying the present to make the sacrifices necessary to build the future …. all the historians of civilisation have told the same story.”
>Crucially, he argued that the demographic change could be linked a loss of religious faith in the West, which for centuries has been associated with a high regard for the institution of the family.
>“Contemporary historians … right now, have failed to find a single historical example of a society that became secularised and maintained its birth rate over subsequent centuries,” he argued.
>He added: “That’s how great civilisations decline and fall.
>“The weird thing is that the only people who refuse to acknowledge this really are the new atheists all of whom are worshippers of a figure up in Heaven with a long beard, Charles Darwin.
>"And if Charles Darwin taught us anything it is judge species by their reproductive success.”
WEW
>>77596563
tell that to the feminist bitches who make men run a mile
He's absolutely right though.
>>77596563
Holy shit. I've swallowed the last redpill.
Atheists literally destroy society
I'm shocked his fellow Jews haven't silenced him
>>77596563
>Europe can only maintain its population by unprecedented levels of immigration
Oy vey.
>>77602485
that is why /pol/ is an orthodox christian board
>>77596563
Fuck it, I'm finding me a Jewess.
>>77602485
>Atheists literally destroy society
And they are so autistic they don't even realize it.
>>77602925
Natalie portman is my Jewfu
>>77602866
>>77596563
What he fails to mention is the Jews pulling the strings behind each and every one of the things attributed to Europe Decline.
>>77602485
Im an atheist and I want children
I'm just smart enough to not stick it to crazy who would turn around and assfuck my life savings
>>77603061
fug
>>77596563
>rabbi
>based
>Look at flag
Nothing to see here folks
>“The contemporary historian of ancient Greece and ancient Rome saw their civilisations begin their decline and fall, both the Greeks and the Romans attributed it to falling birth rates because nobody wanted the responsibilities of bringing up children,” he said.
Only thing I think is bullshit tbf. In the modern western welfare states its inevitably the most irresponsible cunts having the most children. The fact that barbarians multiply like there's no tomorrow is only a problem when you keep letting them into your state. Him leaving out the little detail of secure borders makes me think he just wants to shill religion.
Religion is fantastic for the family unit, but it won't do jack shit now that there's contraception and mass migration.
>>77596563
>>77596950
TLDR; Atheism is selected against while most religions, even if nonsense, improve people's reproductive success.
Why would western men make any sacrifice, when all the laws are stacked against them?
Change the broken laws, and maybe you'll see more men willing to raise a family.
>>77602485
actually, it's THE INTERNET and technology that destroys society, with atheists as the symptom of technology encouraging a godless worldview and faith in the material.
Ban the Internet. It's the only way to save the West
>>77596563
he just knows his jew goose is cooked
>>77602106
>A jew actually supporting the white race
What is this?
>>77602485
You're just fucking learning that?!
>>77602485
>>77602975
But...I'm an atheist who wants kids...
>>77603713
also remember that orthodox Jews still have ARRANGED MARRIAGE
which is something the West abandoned for "freedom" and "dating" and look where it got us.
even 100 years ago it was taboo to even GO OUT with a girl without her parents supervising you the whole way.
I firmly believe marrying for "love" was THE major change that fucked white birthrates. People like to blame the 60's sexual revolution but in reality they were already steadily declining since the mid 1800s
The Internet is killing culture.
That's the real redpill this guy dropped and you all are ignoring it.
The only way to fix birthrates is completely banning home internet service and treating it as an addiction crisis
>"And if Charles Darwin taught us anything it is judge species by their reproductive success.”
Natural selection has been neutered well and truly thanks to modern medicine.
Look at Africa, now imagine it without vaccines and food aid.
It's population would be less than a quarter of what it is.
Almost their entire existence is subsidized.
>>77603867
A leveled-headed and smart man who happens to be Jewish, it appears.
>>77603247
Probably only 1 or 2 though. And if otherwise then you're in the minority.
>>77603880
Hearing it from a Jew just validates it desu
do you idiots not realize that it's Internet, computers and technology which secularize the masses?
Once they see these "miracles" made by man they start to worship man instead of God.
There's no fixing this without dropping the tech
But it won't, keep the shitskins out and every country will have a babyboom when necessary.
>>77603867
Someone looking out for his own skin as he's afraid of sandniggers raping Europe.
>>77604086
Internet is not the sole cause of rising atheism. It contributes, but atheism was rising long prior in Europe due to the Prot reformation. basically if you can question a priest you can question the Bible. Stupid evangelicucks. damn Luther!
>>77603916
>But...I'm an atheist who wants kids...
You can always raise your wife's son.
>>77604086
start with your own advice
>>77596563
he forgot to mention the (((parasites))) attached to those ancient civilizations that weakened their cultural identity, broke up their concept of family unit and pushed for ultra progressive ideas that lead to a departure from traditional morality...
Those same (((passengers))) have done exactly the same thing to this current society, and when we collapse they will pack up all their shit and move to Asia and start the process all over again.
>>77596950
Wait the roman empire was very religious and christianity the dominant religion during its downfall
>>77602485
Welcome brother
>>77604290
... and that was also technological.
the printing press was a mistake.
The masses are healthier and happier illiterate
>>77596563
Immigration will, Schlomo. Birthrates are a non-issue in a homogeneous society.
>>77603916
Fuck off leaf, you aren't special.
>>77602866
Does orthodox christianity acknowledge inherent genetic differences in people and races?
>>77603867
Jews hate Muslims
>>77596563
Rabbi is just another of those highly retarded wannabe smart Jews who doesn't has the brain capacity to understand that birth rates never been high and world had 500 million people not so long ago. There's absolutely no need for higher birth rates, since more people won't bring more money, unless you are international hamburger selling retard from USA, then you need more customers, more the better, to sell more shitburgers or bank frauds. India has plenty of people and they bathe in shit. Stupid capitalistic retards.
>>77604708
Abandon modern medicine (witchcraft) and you'll have infant mortality rightfully counteracting birthrates naturally
>>77604708
Birth rates have been higher but infant mortality was also higher.
>>77604276
THIS
>>77604571
birthrates are always an issue who will look after old people if there are no children that they have had? who will pay for the things that you have when there are too few people to support others ?
>>77604817
It's a hard sell getting people to realize that modern medicine is degenerate and infant mortality was a good thing but it's true.
Most people here right now probably shouldn't have survived infancy that's why people are so weak
>>77604480
lol, he fell for teh Christianity collapsed Rome meme. ironic, since it was his people that pillaged and looted Rome
>waste about 20 years of time and money to produce another drone to work for masters
I'd rather play with my balls tbch
>>77604963
The state and corporations of course.
This is more than just an issue of birthrates and propaganda though... it's technology and medicine itself destroying the integrity of the family
Amish are largely right in the US
>>77604480
Probably great part of society was so decadent that christianity couldn't fix it in time.
>>77596563
>because people in the digital age simply have shorter attention spans
the vidya and electronic jew.
>>77604963
RARE
>>77605062
That's why you leave the system to homestead or farm. Wage slavery is what killed the birthrates in the first place
>>77605072
state and corporations are also made up of people there are not beyond population effects
>>77603802
this.
thanks Ted.
I'd be fine with having a wife, kids, a dog, the nice house, a decent vehicle, and food for them all, if it wasn't so fucking ridiculously expensive in this day and age.
The internet didn't kill my desire to reproduce, unregulated capitalism did.
>>77604817
The only people who profit from more people are people not even native to any country where they import migrants or some extra rich people who live in their own world and rely on international connections and their safe havens. There should be an action to genocide every rich guy ever on this planet and to torture their families if they get born rich. There is no place on this planet for stupid religious leeches and rich people who live in their own fucking world and don't understand a thing about anything. Who says we need more birth rates is the higher retard level in existence. We need to give everybody a job and life security, then families will become more stable too. Exploitation won't bring better results for everybody, just those religious tards who seek more people they can convert or sell them international shit.
>>77604695
Its more ambiguous. Basically has no race cuckoldry. it lets you be racist
It's time for a reverse crusade.
Starting from Israel we liberate Europe from the Muslims hordes.
>>77604571
>Birthrates are a non-issue in a homogeneous society.
Except when they are lower than the mortality rate, like in most europe.
>>77605261
The internet as you know it is the result of unregulated capitalism.
China's internet is specifically restricted to prevent addiction and effects on birthrates
>Based Rabbi
>based faggot Milo
it's getting closer and closer to /pol/ finding "based SJW's" and "based muzzies"
you cunts are worse than reddit users
>>77596563
Oh shit. Even the Jews are frustrated by the retardedness of the Anglo. They clearly want off this doomed ride.
Oh and where are the "joos" conspirtards? Once again, no where to be found.
>>77603143
He is already being controversial by talking about West's decline. Shitting on Jews would just cause trouble to him.
Who needs to listen to what our own people have been saying for over 200 years when we can listen to a fucking rabbi instead?
The obvious solution to our problems is to go back to our Christian values and way of life, but let's solve our problems with Islam instead.
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>>77604290
Oddly enough, a lot of religious people also use the Internet. After all, it's just a communications infrastructure.
And like you said, the decline of Christianity was taking place several decades ago, long before 99% of the population had Internet accounts.
So my conclusion is the guy you're replying to is either jumping to conclusions, or he's trolling.
>>77603247
>>77603916
Me too. The problem is socialism, female rights, and birth control.
Stupid people should be neutered.
>>77605433
one guy making a statement is not proof enough for anything
LOW BIRTHRATES ARE A GOOD THING FOR EVERYDAY PEOPLE THEY ARENT A GOOD THING FOR BIG BUSINESS BECAUSE IT DRIVES UP MINIMUM WAGE THIS IS WHY THEY LOVE IMMIGRATION SO MUCH WHICH DRIVES IT BACK DOWN FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES ARE SELF SUSTAINING THEY ARE ONLY EVER TORN APART BY MASS IMMIGRATION DECLING BIRTH RATES WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO PEOPLE HAVING MORE CHILDREN WHEN THEY GET PAID MORE FOR WORK IT BOUNCES BACK AND FORTH REEEEEEEE
lol everyone knows that white peoples will disappear so why to resist?
Just live your life. No need to worry about what will happen after your own death. White peoples will dies no matter what we will do.
>>77605504
Christian values?
You have them now, we had values of nationalism during Socialism. Now we have religious tards. Priests should be all nailed on crosses together with their Jewish money makers. Their families should be thrown into fire. Retards and religious bullshit, all liars for thousands of years. You shouldn't even be allowed to vote you mentally retarded shit. Nail yourself on cross and take responsibility, stupid monarch scum.
>>77605518
I'm not saying the unrestricted internet hasn't hurt us in many ways, but we cant just be like "deerrrr internet caused all problems zomg!"
>>77605345
Then all you have is a declining population. Birthrates aren't static. Europe is one of the most densely populated place on Earth.
Why should we want to be like India?
>>77605346
Ok, now I 'm convined you're trolling.
>>77603980
came here to post this. Fucking Victorians and their romantic bullshit.
>>77605801
lol, someone is angry their country has no history. my manlet detector just went apeshit on this slovene
>>77605752
Fuck off shill
Low birth rate of whites is killing white countries.
That's supposedly why German took so many refugees, normal Germans aren't fucking
The problem is too many shitskin savages. The quality of life in the West will decrease if the population London scene is allowed to continue. We should be aiming for sustainable population management and increase GDP through automation and other advances in productivity. The reason governments haven't been investing in automation is because there is literally an unending stream of shitskin being born who will work for pennies an hour. The capitalist class is addicted to low wage third world labor.
>>77605752
........where is the prrofs?
>>77596563
>Western civilisation is on the brink of a collapse
And then there won't be anyone defending Jews.
How is this a bad thing again?
>based rabbi
Oh...
>>77605801
What the fuck is Slovenia? Some wannabe Slovakia?
>>77605346
So it's the internet that's forcing wages to remain stagnantly low? It's the internet that keeps Housing, transportation and food prices falsely inflated? It's also the internet that fosters a culture of 'fuck you I got mine, go starve' that's endemic in modern corporate politics too?
I coulda sworn it was a legion of pathetic crooks such as yourself that have fostered our current dilemma, but I guess it was that EBIL INTERBUTT!!!!
>>77605911
Queen is stupid piece of retarded shit. When is she going to show us those magical Jesus powers? Nothing but a farting old privileged crap on two legs. She's fucking you in the ass with niggers from Africa, Muslim Arabs and you think giving her more money will somehow change any of that? Queen owns most land, owns a lot of countries and banks where those international scum that imports migrants hides their money. Nothing will change if you leave or stay in EU, you will suck Arabic cock. Queen needs to be beheaded.
>>77606024
some little shitcicle country on Austria's ass, right above Croatia. basically made up.
>>77596563
Based Rabbi? It happens once in a while that a Jew realizes western civilization is actually pretty great, but I still can't believe it when I see it and suspect something is up.
Don't need birthrates if we can simply keep the life expectancy rising forever with medical breakthroughs
If we can within a decade or two get the average life expectancy rising by around 1.5 years every year, most of us here will be practically immortal unless we're hit by a car that kills us on impact or some shit
>>77596563
Because I am part Swedish and I do not care for my country I will be moving to Sweden at some point in my life to help repopulate the population. I will also murder brown people and get away with it. In my state they made tobacco 21 and up such bullshit so I can go to Sweden and try all the different snus.
>>77606239
ummm i dont like the queen you moron. fucking hell, im going to move Slovenia to the 'nigger-tier' posting category
Why do you faggots purposely worship a white man with long hair? You know its heresy and will lead you straight to hell yet you do it anyway? I'm so confused. The Bible describes Christ well enough. Hebrews never had long hair unless it was dreaded and wrapped if it were too long because having long hair down to your back was a sin. Because doing things that pertain to women and or vice-versa is a sin such as having hair down your back yet you faggots rob a text that never was meant for any of you and rub your nasty neanderthral hands and beliefs all over it. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>77596563
>warns
>Europe is going to die because of this because Europe can only maintain its population by unprecedented levels of immigration
>europe is going to die because low population is bad for some reason
fuck off economists
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>>77605863
>all those Africans
>all those south east Asians
Oh my fucking God.
>>77596563
>first the jews tell Europeans not to have children
>then they come out as "saviours" to tell them to have children
FUCKING JEWS KILL THEM A L L
>>77606024
>>77606259
I know what we fought against during WW1 & WW2, it was the monarchy, from China, to Vietnam, to Yugoslavia to Russia. UK is leaving EU not because they are innocent, but because they run away from shit they created. EU was created by Habsburg family after they ran away to USA, queen always supported this, same as those relatives of Austrian monarchy. Anglo scum gave royal families all their property back after WW2, this is why we are in this mess. All royal blood should be killed off for good.
>>77605920
listen you fucking kike in normal western society both parents MUST work because wages are so low which means they dont have time or effort to make as many children when birthrates go down and there are less people to do all the same work pay goes up which means it goes back to 1 working parent 1 home parent which drives birthrates back up this is how it works however it doesnt happen when you replace the local population with 3rd world shit skins .l.
>>77605938
why do you think minimum wage hasnt gone up in the USA for so long because of all the mass immigration of cheap labour so you have stay at home niggers and spics who live off the government and pump out kids where as two working white parents cant do this the government replaces the husband for shit skins this is why there are such low birthrates in the USA and the west there are also low birthrates in japan for the exact same reason and they want to immigrate in millions of chinese
>>77604480
Christianity spreded because pagans had low birth rate.
>>77606406
Hey, if the Jews are telling you the right things, and they do have a lot of influence, then lets use that to our ends. Nobody is going to want to bring in all those immigrants if it means a second holocaust. That is a good argument against immigration.
>>77606488
holy shit you are autistic
>>77596563
the birthrate goes down because it's incentivized against. if you want a healthy population make it so that people are not punished economically for reproducing during your best child-bearing years.
>>77606312
Royal families never been richer, they don't even need to do anything, their money has increased like never before. This world is nothing else than playground of rich families and Anglo has a lot of blame in this. You nullified WW1 & WW2 with your stupid Jesus worship.
>>77606392
Exactly.
Instead of breeding we should focus on removing. That's where resources and energy would be better spent.
>>77596563
>Jews literally realizing that without White's, they will be surrounded by shitskins and eventually be genocided by bix noods and akmeds.
Too late fools
>>77604480
Come on. The collapse is the very reason they converted to Christianity.
Are you forgetting it's an 'end-times' religion?
Gotta get right with Jesus once everything's going to shit.
>>77606740
All we need to do really is stop feeding them and sending them medicine. Removing them would save us treasure and blood.
Why are we so foolishly altruistic?
>>77606587
>imported niggers all over the globe
>wiped out native population
>imported Arabs all over the globe
>wiping out native population as we speak
>will import Indians all over the globe
No Anglo, this royal Jesus crap needs to stop.
>>77606847
Good thing they couldn't read back then, otherwise they would've connected the dots between Matthew 16:27-28 and all of the original followers of Jesus being dead without him showing up again.
>>77607048
you need to take your fucking pills, manlet
>>77596563
I refuse to have to children because I don't want to marry a wife who'll only end up loathing me and fucking some paki.
Our daughter then grows up to be a slag like 99% of women and marries 3 nig nogs and a paki
>>77606587
I think he's talking about this:
https://www.knightstemplarinternational.com/the-destruction-of-the-indigenous-peoples-of-europe-is-not-an-accident/
>>77596563
>the goyim aren't reproducing because they are lazy and materialistic
>the only way to maintain European population levels is to import third-world, nonwhite immigrants
Europe never has, nor ever will benefit from nonwhite, third-world immigration. This type of immigration is arguably the reason that white European birthrates are declining. Whites, who are the productive segment of the population, are heavily taxed in order to pay for the living expenses of these unproductive, nonwhite immigrants and their large families. This leaves little time and money for whites to raise a family, whereas nonwhite immigrants do not need to work or pay for their own families.
>>77605331
A jewish crusade? Damn that'd be good. Have the jewish people ever had a holy army?
>>77607259
That's not an argument. Rich families hold the keys to power, not me. Lets start fixing the problem where it is. You are celebrating the queen by exiting EU, it makes me sick how stupid you are. You are celebrating shit that created EU. How many more times do they need to prove their blue blood is genetic sickness? They can't run economy, their solution was always import more slaves, then they run away and dumb Christians keep on worshiping them. Literally same story as before Genghis Khan. Why is it that countries who hold world power are innocent and people who are poor and follow all rules are the guilty ones? A hint: queen owns most land on this planet.
>>77596563
He's basically saying, 'white man, please rescue my kin from the muslims invasion'
>>77602485
>>77596563
feminists are responsible for the downfall of European society because they bitched until they got voting rights, birth control, and keep trying to break up the family unit.
the breakup of the family unit and the rise of wealth did it. women stopped wanting to make babies and everyone focused on wealth, driving up the cost of having kids in the west.
that's the actual last redpill: women destroy society and the Bible was entirely right. Adam and Eve is an allegory for why men are superior to women.
Islam will win because they never forgot this. we did.
pack it up, boys. your great-grandchildren will be brown.
>>77607933
I recommend reading "the fate of empires"
I honestly don't think islam would win.
As everytime we're well off we fuck it up, and currently it seems like the islam world isn't.
The western would will die, become stronger and eventually become powerful once more, leave religion behind and begin the downfall once more. between that, the same may happen to the middle east.
>>77607564
Did you even READ the Bible?
The Jews are actually quite well versed in whipping up spur-of-the-moment holy armies.
>>77596563
>>77596950
>oy vey overpopulation, you white people need to stop having so many kids
>oy vey we don't have enough kids, we need to import millions of niggers
You'll get exactly as you like, parasite kikes. With the end of whites will come the end of kikes. Have fun.
>>77604479
I really hope this time around, there's none of them left. They kikes have really gone way to far this time.
just import the baby makers
>>77608752
>le white man is over we should celebrate
>1000 years later everyone is white again because lol not enough vitamin D
Enjoy your rickets and developmental disorders you bloody darkies.
These people can't think into the future more than their own lifetimes.
>>77604480
>German education
>>77609179
my history classes actually were 99% muh holocaust and 1% french revolution...
>>77608752
This. Kikes fancy themselves supremely intelligent strategists, but their schemes tend to backfire spectacularly.
>>77603867
He values European culture like most non globalist Jews. Who would want to live in a mudsllime world?
