what is /pol/'s opinion on paid maternity leave?
/pol/tards want to be edgy and say they're against it, but they're retarded for saying that because how in the fuck do you expect white women to multiply when it's so hard for them to raise a family? Paid maternity leave is obviously a big help and is redpilled.
Of course now that my post is the first post ITT no one is going to admit to their double standard, since you are all retarded sheep who don't think for yourselves
it makes it easier for the poorest and those of least desirable traits to breed more
>>77490446
>how in the fuck do you expect white women to multiply when it's so hard for them to raise a family
They shouldn't be working in the first place. Children have to have a stay at home parent, and since women have tits to breastfeed it should naturally be them. Not to mention the countless psychological studies that say women are better for children to be around early on in their development.
>Paid maternity leave is obviously a big help and is redpilled.
Fine, if women want it they can have it. But if they are going to have it they can't bitch about "muh wage gap" since maternity leave is literally one of the reasons the "gap" exists.
>>77489383
i think its necessary
>>77490446
This
>>77489383
Companies can provide it if they want. They shouldn't be forced to.
>>77489383
Women should not really be working anyway, especially if you are having children. When you have children women should stay at home.
>>77489383
for men? sounds good.
>>77490730
Well at least you're not saying "muh feministic degeneracy"
I don't see the problem with wives working and adding onto the family income but you do you
>>77490446
>how in the fuck do you expect white women to multiply when it's so hard for them to raise a family?
There are plenty other expenses you can refund.
Daycare being the biggest of them all by far.
The problem with payed maternity leave is who is paying.
Namely employers.
It's a strong incentive to not hire women aged 25-35.
>>77489383
White men and women should both have children and hold jobs. Ideally a family should have a homemaker and a breadwinner but the global economy doesnt allow that. Maternity leave is good because it allows whites to reproduce and maintain high monetary standing.
It's the law here. During 5 years at a company of roughly 350 employees, we processed payroll benefits for 21 women. The payroll benefit amounts to half pay for four months out, three before and one following birth.
Of the 21, two actually returned to work. All the others took the pay with no intention of returning.
Four of the 21 lied on application and were hired pregnant (yes, we are allowed to ask). All four sacked at their jobs, had shit attendance and just used the company for free pay.
It is nearly impossible to fire a pregnant woman here. Mothers Day is in fact anot obligatory national holiday, just like independence day or new years.
Paid maternity helps out, not saying anything against it, but put it into law and expect abuse. Bottom line - the consumer and taxpayer foot the bill.
In canada we pay into EI with our taxes taken off every pay check for it.
fucking mandatory.
I would also advocate a later leave for males( say at 12-14 years old, when they start challenging authorty) for the father to actually build the foetus into a man. That used to be done in ancient culture.
Now we leave it all to schools and look at the mess we've got.
>>77489383
Most businesses already offer leave. You *earn* it by putting so many hours in at your job, just like sick time.
It's done this way to prevent Shaniqua from landing a job at McDonalds while she's 2 months pregnant then demanding them Gubments pay her her full salary for a year because "muh baby."
Demanding a company to pay women to not work is utter bullshit, and the only people that will be taking advantage of it are niggers.
If you want to pay people to breed, start a eugenics program. At least that way we might be paying for useful children and not just another million welfare niggers.
Only if there's also paid paterny leave
>>77489383
Against. Women should be allowed maternity leave, but why should they get paid for not working?
>>77490950
>Four of the 21 lied on application and were hired pregnant (yes, we are allowed to ask). All four sacked at their jobs, had shit attendance and just used the company for free pay.
This right here. Countries that have already attempted this failed experiment have seen first hand it's obvious (and damned well expected) failures.
>>77490922
>employers pay for maternity leave
That's how it is in The Netherlands? For some reason I thought the government took care of that. Well, it's not something we can't change, is it?
>>77489383
another source of cognitive dissonance for poltards who harbor both "muh capitalism muh markets muh economical growth" and "muh society muh traditionalism muh nucler family" memes.
A society is really defined by how it raises its offspring.
>>77489383
Father here. It's fucking hard to raise a newborn baby, holy fuck. And handing the baby to a nanny is too risky, to a nurse is too expensive, if you have parents who can handle the job good for you, but it's not like that for everyone. And I'm not even talking yet about how the PARENTS should raise the child not other people.
Bottom line, it's insane having both parents working/raising children. There's a reason why it wasn't like this in the past, we're running away from the responsibility of managing our own families to have "careers" and "jobs" like if that was more dignifying that being a parent. Fuck that.
Paid maternity leave is not what should be on debate, we should ask ourselves why people want to do two opposite things at the same time and ask someone else to pay for it.
>bro's gf gets pregnant
>drops her shit secretary job and look for something that offers paid maternity leave
>apply for these jobs
>get hired at a bank doing some paperwork
>stays as long as she can while her pregnancy isnt visible
>gets on maternity leave when it is
They sued her dumb ass and she(read:my bro) had to repay every penny they gave her.
>>77490883
>I don't see the problem with wives working and adding onto the family income but you do you
It shows in the children. Parents needs to be active in their kids' lives, and they can't be if they both work. Any single mom that ever tells you she is Super Woman or some shit is full of herself, you can't be in two places at once. Either you are going to have a good job to provide, or you're going to be the stay at home parent.
If the provider's job isn't good enough to provide for everyone then they are a failure who decided to have kids too soon. It is that simple. Like I said, child psychologists all say women are better suited to stay at home AND women themselves tend to be happier when they do. The problem in the west is feminism has painted stay at home moms, the true heroes of western society, as sellouts. Mothers who pride themselves in their kids and live through them are always happier, and their children turn out to be great as well. Ever since the rise of women working and single motherhood western society has tanked.
maternity leave is a disaster
businesses are not charities, they have finite amounts of money and slim profit margins most of the time
>>77489383
Women or at least mothers shouldn't be in the workforce anyway.
Blame the (((marxists))) for destroying single earner houshold by increasing the cost of living.
>>77489383
I'm going to marry Rosie!
>>77490950
>Mothers Day is in fact anot obligatory national holiday
Fairly sure it's "mother church" day, the day to visit your mother church, not anything to do with your mother.
Sure, why not? I'm a guy and I got 4 months "compassion leave" because I didn't want to work for Telus anymore. Companies should do whatever the fuck they want to remain competitive.
It actually being required is kind of fucking stupid though, that just promotes the hiring of males over females.
In the future everybody is just going to be a contractor or sub contractor because of shit like this.
I've not had to deal with a second of this kind of thing since setting up my own shit. Take three months off? Cool with me, but you don't get paid until your project is done, just like you signed off on. And it'll be your last from me! Oops looks like your assistants are mad as fuck! Not my problem.
>>77491332
>That's how it is in The Netherlands?
Fairly sure it's like that everywhere.
It would be a huge burden for the government.
>>77489383
only if it's available for fathers as well
>>77490446
>how in the fuck do you expect white women to multiply when it's so hard for them to raise a family?
By having a husband.
There is this thing called a conversation. There is also being a good worker. If you are a woman and you are planning to have a child, you do this thing called talking. You see, you go up to your boss, and you say, "Hello Mr. Boss, my husband and I are planning on having a child, and so I regretfully have to inform you that I am handing in my resignation.", to which the boss responds, because you're such a valuable asset to his company, "You will be sorely missed, but we wish you all the best with your child. If you ever need work again, we'll more than happily take you back on!", at which point you walk out the door, raise your kid, living off savings you've been earning so you could survive without working for a year or more.
Blimey, look at that, you were responsible, rather than looking to get handouts for doing nothing.
>>77489383
I agree with it, but not for the reasons that libcucks do. Libcucks want mandatory paid maternity leave because MUH FEMINISM MUH STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMYN.
Whatever, that's all bullshit. I'm in favor because of the incentives it creates.
1) It provides incentive for employed women (ie, white women) to have children. The current paradigm is that working white women have too few children because they spend all their time working instead. I see this as a paid incentive for successful women to actually have children. This is a good thing, especially since it can't be abused by non-working nigger welfare queens, because they're not employed in the first place.
2) it provides incentive for employers to hire men over women, because hiring women becomes a risk when you may have to pay them for months even though they might not work due to maternity leave. This is an incentive towards a more traditional situation in which the man works and the woman raises kids. I'm all for that.
> I want to go on maternity leave from showing my tits all day *giggle *
I don't understand how anyone can be for it. These women can CHOOSE to have a child. And their employer should be punished for their choice by losing money? What kind of fucking sense does that make?
>>77489383
It can be a pretty valuable resource that companies use to attract skilled employees.
The government shouldn't force companies to offer it, though.
>>77489383
A good thing. Women need the time off to take care of their children and raise the next generation. They should be given it without stigma or penalization.
>>77490705
case closed, just like abortions it gives people and excuse to not be responsible for their own actions/consequences
>>77489383
it's great, really
>paid
i earn, i buy, she gets a roof over her head and food in her belly
>maternity
i put babies in her dumb, sympathetic-to-refugees cunt
>leave
yes; stay the fuck in the home, woman, you're cancer to a workplace
>>77491831
http://es.alpilaw.com/2012/09/06/feriados-de-ley-en-costa-rica-segun-el-codigo-de-trabajo/
Mothers day. Always some dumb fuck who thinks he knows better than those who live here.
>>77489383
Women have enough advantages and cause enough problems in the workplace as is.
>>77489383
irrelevant, women's place is not in the workplace
>>77490446
>women working is repilled
>>77490950
This. Women are devilish cunts and this is common.
>>77490872
Underrated
>>77492114
Why do that when you can just >>77490950
>>77489383
>do afterschool work at local international school
>hear all the gossip
>new "primary teacher coordinator" position is opened up
>everyone applies because its much higher pay
>finally a teacher is chosen
>she is told in may that shell get the new position in september
>september starts
>she works 1 day
>the next day she applies for maternity leave, because she got pregnant between march and september
>takes 1 year off
>gets paid more, despite not working
Women.
Oh, and before you plebs make this a race thing, shes blond, blue-eyed.
>>77489383
It's good.
>>77492175
Reeeee I wanted that in gif form and am too lazy to find it right now
>>77490922
>It's a strong incentive to not hire women aged 25-35.
And what's wrong with that?
Equality is wrong. Women of child bearing age should be bearing children while the men are working. This is a win win.
Look at all these fucking virgins in this thread. Christ.
Paid maternity leave isn't a requirement in my state (Georgia) but my wife's company offers 60% for up to the 12 weeks allowed by the FMLA. My wife's about to give birth. Awesome. I can also leave for 12 weeks and be guaranteed my job but I've got a shit ton of stuff to do around here so I'll probably keep at 2 weeks or so.
Anyways, paid maternity is like any other benefit. You include it to entice and retain workers. Just like PTO or retirement matching or health insurance costs, paid maternity is a benefit.
But yeah, it's top notch. As with the FMLA, it should be required for any company employing 50+ within a 75 mile radius.
>>77492175
meh
>>77493660
Sounds like a nice vacation. Call up Tyrone and have another one.
>>77493123
I have a very similar story:
- lady worked part time for over 10 years.
- applies for full time management position, gets it becasue she's the most senior.
- immediately goes on maternity leave. (guy has to fill in for her).
- comes back, can only work part time now "because of children". (guy still has to fill in).
- half year later goes on maternity leave again. (guy fills in full time again).
- immediately quits when leave is over.
Also 100% white.
Women just know how to milk the system.
I really don't see how I as a business owner should pay the time an employee is absent and thus does not create value for the company. It is literally a liability in the purest sense of the form. This is why I hire mostly young temps (zzp form for the dutch here) and am really carefull in hiring females that are over the age of 30 in general.
>>77489383
They should be gassed.
>>77493660
>Look at all these fucking virgins in this thread. Christ.
Look at this fucking Chad. Christ.
Just because you got lucky to get born superior enough to get a wife doesn't mean you deserve benefits.
If any employer is dumb enough to give them out, that's their problem. But lots of people think employers should be forced to give them and that makes no fucking sense.
If you want to save the white race by having children, fine, do it. I don't give a shit. But please, don't be a nigger and do it on your own fucking budget.
It needs to be capped, maternity leave only paid for the first child, same with child benefits... Gives everyone the right and means to one child, after that they have to decide if they can afford another rather than using it as a way of getting extra free money. Hate seeing these young mums popping out as many kids as possible because it pays them enough money to get their nails done very week
>>77489383
Women shouldn't be working in the first place.
>>77493910
The vaginal jew strikes again.
>>77493396
It's not helping women.
It's not helping men.
It's not helping companies.
It's not helping the government.
Only thing maternity leave is helping are the feels of left-wing politicians.
No maternity/paternity leave for anybody!
You chose to have children, why the fuck should I have to pay for your disgusting sprog?
You deserve nothing from anybody else, go work for your money instead of being a leach on the rest of us.
If you can't afford it then starve, I don't care.
>>77489383
While I do agree that women should be paid for maternity leave, I am against laying the costs on the companies that hire them.
The reason why women get paid maternity leave is because society, and particularly the state, is investing in the child that will be born and raised. Since the value of the paid maternity leave is reaped by the state, and not the business that hired the woman, the state should be the one to pay the maternity leave. The way the system is now, businesses are forced to invest in children that they have no stake in.
tl;dr im for paid maternity leave, but shift the cost from the employer to the state
>>77489383
If a company offers it on their own, good for them.
But fuck the government trying to force it on companies.
It's not a companies responsibility to pay for an employee to sit at home with their kid.
>>77489383
I don't give a shit about it to be honest but i can see why an employer would not hire women if they are forced to pay for weeks of leave because she popped one out.
>>77489383
When I have a baby I expect I will be able to take some time off, you know, to heal my gaping fucking vagina/C-section wound.
>>77489383
Paid maternety should be mandated across all first world states.
Males should get a percentage for moral support and aiding the female during the first few weeks
>>77494289
It encourages working (read: white) women to have more children. And it encourages businesses to hire men over women.
How is that a bad thing? I want white birth rates to go up and I want traditional households where the family depends on the husband.
>>77489383
I think it's great, it encourages women to have children which is good because our birth rates are on the decline. While it isn't doing much on it's own, with a bunch of other stuff, it could increase 1st world birth rates.
>>77493760
Don't project your fantasies on me, maple bitch.
>>77494054
>If your employer is dumb enough
My employer is the largest in our industry. They employee tens of thousands of people across 30 countries. They are many things but dumb is not one of them.
And, no, it's absolutely smart. Their benefits are the reason I chose them and why I choose to stick with them. It's why they have above average retention rates. Nickel and diming for salaries is baby shit. I don't care about a $10,000 difference annually if I make up more than that in my benefits.
>>77490871
This.
If a woman can negotiate it with her employer, good for her. The government has no business deciding that for people though.
>>77494679
>canada
are you a girl or just one of those canadian men with a mangina
>>77494781
I don't really care if you consider it dumb or not.
Whose bread you eat, his song you sing
My point was that forcing companies to give paid maternity leave is retarded. That's all.
>>77489383
No work no pay. It's the father's responsibility to get money somewhere. Females are meant to stay home anyways.
>>77490730
Children need stay-at home parents, but only when they're in their formative years. If all the kids are in school and it's needed then both parents should be working to pay the bills.
I don't really know. I'll be the main provider for my family so after I pop out a baby and don't feel like I've been stabbed I'll be returning to work asap.
>>77489383
OK as long as there is equal amount of pId paternity leave.
>>77490446
You do realize paid mat leave doesn't just apply to whitey, right? Paid mat leave is just gibsmedats which allow single moms to raise more broken people
>>77489383
balls deep for it, hopefully all companies have the policy, but I wouldn't force them to.
>>77495053
So you went from saying my company was dumb to even offer it to the government shouldn't force it. Alright?
Benefits packages are the shit. Don't shit on companies because they can afford to treat their employees well.
>>77489383
ITT:
>muh traditional family
Meanwhile every fucking mariage ends up in a divorce, if you ever get married at all, and usually you do that once you're done studying because collegial jew has told you to get in debt, if she isn't too busy slutting around.
Women can't afford to stay out of the workforce, and men can't have a family depend on their salary anymore.
We're screwed.
>>77490705
How? Paid maternity surely would help high IQ women who are working but not having kids, no?
>>77491060
You don't "earn" sick time wtf are you talking about
>>77490705
not if it's paid for by the employer, but your argument is solid if the state funds it
A middle road would be that the state funds it if you have done x time in the workforce
>>77495669
>So you went from saying my company was dumb to even offer it to the government shouldn't force it. Alright?
Do you have trouble reading? I said in my first fucking post that it shouldn't be forced. I think both. I think it shouldn't be forced and I think employers who give it are dumb.
>Benefits packages are the shit. Don't shit on companies because they can afford to treat their employees well.
I'll shit on whatever company I want. I wonder how it works though, do all women get this benefit? Or just some that are employed in the company? Because if just some, then that's fine with me. Benefit for people who are good, why the fuck not. Giving it to all women because they have a vagina? Fucking retarded.
>>77492175
Who's dat
>>77495912
Not every employer in the US offers paid sick/medical leave.
>>77489383
I'd get her pregnant, if you know what I mean
>>77489383
>too bad
>life's not fair
the career move
your employer shouldn't have to pay for you because you made a decision that renders you incapable of showing up to work
you want to have kids, save up your money and don't go on vacation and use your vacation pay and saving to live off of while you breast feed or w/e the fuck women do besides get fat when they're on paid leave
>>77494679
You can take time off, but don't expect anyone else to work and give you their money whilst you sit on your arse all day.
If you want money, go out and earn it like everyone else has to.
>>77492087
n'th post best post
>>77496027
Why are you so angry? It ain't that serious, anon. It's not like it costs the employees or customers. Let me red pill you:
HR doesn't just handle hires and fires. They are the ones that negotiate benefits with providers. A competent HR department can put together a nice fucking package.
And for maternity leave, the benefit applies to males and females - just like the FMLA.
>>77496527
I'm angry because some people get more than me due to luck. What's so hard to understand?
inb4 muh hard werk
>>77496101
what did he mean by this?
>>77496043
Rosie Jones
Girl at work is pregnant with twins, she'll now get benefits for almost 1.5 years. I mean that's just overkill and it doesn't make sense that you'd get twice as much for twins.
You all talk about "the state" funding it, but where does "the state" get its money from, only people can pay taxes.
Yeah, that's right YOU, why should you pay someone to sit on their ass all day long just because they plopped out a small human, if they can't afford to have children then they shouldn't have them in the first place.
You can't enslave people just because you made a bad decision and you have a sore cunt.
>>77496680
>luck
Look at this Obama voter. Luck had fuck all to do with it. The experience, education and certifications, and references on my resume did. Go get fucked you miserable faggot.
>>77492114
>he thinks you can get your old work back and they won't have hired some other person, no longer needing you
>he thinks you can save enough in this economy to live on your savings a couple of years with a kid
>>77496896
>if they can't afford to have children then they shouldn't have them in the first place
that's already how white women think, not sandnigs
>>77496983
Yeah sure. Just lol.
Experience, education, certifications. You think you would get that if you had bad starting conditions? All of this shit has to do heavily with family (wealth/status) and obviously nepotism. You just got lucky.
>>77489383
I'm generally against this kind of regulation, but developed countries need policies to increase birthrate, if we don't want mass immigration, and this is one of them.
>>77489383
A good reason to quit giving females job preference.
Paid parentity (maternity/paternity) leave should only be a thing if the parent is married to the other biological parent of the child, or widowed. Leave should also be equal for both sexes.
Willing single parents made their choice not to create the safest environment for the child to grow, so I don't see why we should pay to try to repair that. You are free to choose, you deal with the consequence.
>>77491983
I think it works like this in Spain: the employer pays the mother, but the government pays the temporal substitute that is needed meanwhile. The company still loses money, as they have to spend money on finding someone new, contracts, training, etc. The overall costs is around +33% of what it would have been if she didn't leave, IIRC.
Paid maternity leave is the most effective program that can get native women to produce children.
It also happens to be one of very few that can. Other things include expanding child care services and shared maternity/paternity leave.
You all like to bitch and complain but theres very little else to do to replace an aging population if you dont want mass immigration.
One of the reasons I am against hiring women. The way I see it, a woman would have to be at least 120% better than her male competition in order for me to consider a to hire her.
>>77497299
Hahaha. I started out in the industry as an apprentice making minimum wage, 24 hours a week. Now I run a department and get to live the middle management American Dream, golden handcuffs and all.
No luck here. Just sweat equity and spending my shekels on training that my former employers would not. Kept my ear to the ground and improved my situation by finding better jobs with more chances to make my resume look better.
Nah, I definitely started from the bottom at 18, living the good life at 29.
>>77489383
Im for it. poorly educated people think that pregnancy is just like on tv but in reality there are many risk and recuperation period is needed + that time should be used to start raising the kid and make arrangements for babysitter once you go back to work.When most women work, maternity leave is the best way to support reproduction. country always needs new people
By the time I have a kid I'll have like 15 weeks of acrrued sick leave so I'll be taking at least 6-8 weeks offf
>>77489383
It gives incentive for careerist women to have more children, I think It's a good thing
>>77490446
This. Its necessary for the white race to survive.
>>77497834
>No luck here.
Not really. People tend to underestimate luck and overestimate their personal achievements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
It's likely you were at the very least tall, good looking, etc.
>>77498077
Weak bait sven
>>77497967
Thank you for that post.
I helped my sister around after she had given birth and it really is not easy to recover. Plus sometimes they just need time to fucking heal, aside from the tears, the sewing back up, the bleeding out of the vagina for weeks on end after delivery.
>>77498219
It's not. White people are responsible and actually plan for their children. They do not need paid maternity leave. All it does is encourage a shitskin to pop out a kid whenever she feels too lazy to work.
>>77498289
Yep. Big dick too. Wife looks like a playboy model. Huge tits. Blonde hair. Nice ass that defies gravity. We both hit the genetic lottery.
>>77497834
That's not the good life. I make 40k/month and Im not living the good life.
>>77498576
Yeah that's what I meant. All just luck. You get born to be superior just as you get born to be inferior.
>>77498789
Is your Wendy's hiring?
>>77490871
If you are good enough at your job to have your employer tell you that you will have a job when you return a year later and will support you during this time then good for you. You have earned it by being a valuable member of the company.
Forcing a law for it means you force companies to now hire ticking time bombs who's efficiency doesn't warrant maternity leave but you now have to provide. Companies now lose twice on this employee when they train her, she works a bit then leaves for maternity and continues to be paid. During this time the company has to hire a new worker to fill the job, train them and then dispose of them once the original returns.
This will just lead to a gender bias when hiring. Why on earth would you hire 25yr old John over 25yr old Jane when you know John isn't going to disappear for a year and expect to be paid? This is another great idea just like the minimum wage laws. Black youth unemployment practically lower than white and following the introduction of these laws to help the people we see black unemployment sky rocket. Laws made to "help" invariably end up hurting those it was meant to like always.
I will enjoy the coming lawsuits about recently engaged Jane being rejected by every place she works for
>>77498789
40k/month? Dafuq you do? I want in burger friendos
>>77490950
This. When it is forced there will be abuse. The best system is the freedom to choose. Business should be free to decide who the feel is productive enough to warrant a secure position even after a year absence.
>>77498841
I work with some ugly fuckers man. I don't know how much they make but I'm sure it's about what I do.
So what's your excuse? You don't even have a dog in this fight.
>>77489383
Should be paid by her husband if at all. No husband to provide? Don't get fucking pregnant. Not the employer's responsibility to provide extra paid leave for your personal lifestyle choices.
>>77497325
It does absolutely nothing to improve birthrate. Have a look at the countries worldwide with lowest TFRs - they have the most generous maternity leave and other female priviliges. Look at the countries with highest TFR - they're the ones where women get fucking nothing.
>>77489383
One month paid parental leave for both parents that can be taken anytime in the first year. For unpaid leave they should have a guarantee that both parents can come back up to a year later and still have their job.
IMO that's enough to ensure that they have time to settle in while ensuring that the system isn't too easily abused.
>>77499457
My excuse is that thanks to halo effect, these men you work with are less likely to succeed than someone gifted and that goes for ANYTHING in life.
It's just not fair. And when a game is rigged, only a retard would support it by playing it. That's why ISIS deserves to win.
>>77491528
>be pregnant
>apply for job that gives maternity leave
>6momths in deliver baby
Are they fucking retarded? Do they not think people can count? They deserve to lose every cent
>>77499843
They have houses and wives and kids. Again, why are you such a fucking failure?
>>77489383
Why should employers be punished because someone who works there chooses to give birth? Why should anyone be paid if they're not working? If you can't afford a kid, don't have one.
>>77500121
>They have houses and wives and kids.
And they had to work much harder for these things compared to someone who was superior(attractive, tall). It's not fair and they are fucking cucks.
>Again, why are you such a fucking failure?
Because I will not accept this unfairness like a fucking retard and work hard for what Chad gets easily.
>>77491913
>be so good at your job you are offered paid time off to convince you not to leave
And this is how it should be. You were so valuable that they would pay you to not be there and later return than to leave altogether.
The more I read into this the more amazing it is that this isn't something that is optional
>>77489383
Should be shared with the father.
>>77492912
>Niggers contemplating is real
>>77492848
I am a certified sex tourist; let me tell you about your country
>>77490446
True. If anything we should give even more benefits to encourage women to have more kids
>>77492912
WE WUZ SHAKESPEARE N SHIT
>>77500277
Stop going to /r9k/.
Life is rigged. You accept that and get what you can out of it.
>>77490705
/thread
American women, huge whores!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>77500758
Like a fucking cuck who lets people shit on him.
It's so funny, /pol/ that keeps preaching the truth and facts, yet when this simple fact gets brought up, all you faggots can say(and /r9k/ alike actually) is
>hurr itz how it iz bro
>deal wid it
Why should I fucking deal with it? Many people have better lives due to getting lucky in things out of their control. What kind of spineless cuck would just deal with this?
I'm pregnant and my husband has paternity leave
only edgy virgins are against this
but think about being able to stay home with your wife and newborn, paternal bonding is just as important and maternal bonding
>>77500900
Don't worry. These cucks will realize this shit when they're middle aged, divorced and wasted their entire life providing, leading, and grovelling at the feet of roasties
>>77490705
Honestly this is a fair point, we shouldn't be encouraging the lowest common denominator.
>>77493660
>I can also leave for 12 weeks and be guaranteed my job but I've got a shit ton of stuff to do around here so I'll probably keep at 2 weeks or so.
Another reason why maternity leave if forced will simply lead to discrimination against women in the workforce. While also offered to men it's something many simply just do not take.
Like this anon said, business should be free to offer it like any other benefit to attract the best they can
>>77489383
What women do:
> go to college
> get high paying job
> get married
> get pregnant
> get maternity leave money
> never go back to work again
>>77500900
Because the alternative is what exactly? Nobody gives a shit if you give up in life. I actually want some happy experiences and comforts, which takes competing in life. In the end it's just your life that matters and you might as well try and make it as good as possible.
>>77489383
If a private company wants to offer it, fine. If the government wants to mandate it, time to cleanse Washington.
If you think paid maternity leave has anything to do with socialism, then you're clearly mentally retarded. Everything is black-and-white with you dumb fucks, I am sometimes truly embarrassed to call you my fellow right-wingers. Go kill yourselves, you basket-case cocksuckers.
>>77489383
It's a disaster if you own a small business and you have a female employee that gets pregnant and you have still to pay part of her paycheck and find someone else in her place.
Sorry I've been through this and I think that people who are in favor have no idea how the market works.
>>77501970
>I actually want some happy experiences and comforts, which takes competing in life.
I don't know about you, but a life in which I am competing constantly and being heavily disadvantaged by things I couldn't change, That's not a life of happiness and comforts. That's life of self-hate. Because if you buy into the /pol/ doctrine about hard work and best version of yourself and whatever. How could you not hate yourself if you fail? And believe me, unless you were born a Chad(top few % of males) YOU WILL FAIL.
You asked what are the alternatives. There are three.
1.) Suicide
2.) Cuckoldry
3.) Retreat
By retreat I mean to just leave society. To stop playing the game and also to stop supporting it. To leave to live somewhere in complete seclusion. Problem is fucking normies won't even let you do that.
>>77496894
But aren't they born at the same time? Like if you had one kid and then 9 months later had another sure but two at the same time gets doubles? What would they do if you had quints?
>>77497299
And what should he do? Apologize? Maybe he should check his first world privilege before he posts here?
>>77502868
He shouldn't act like he somehow earned his life. And he shouldn't treat people who are worse than him poorly. That will never happen obviously because normies are fucking cunts.
>>77491462
How?
>>77494781
So triggered.
>>77489383
It's a scam for women to be lazy
I don't care too much
Traditionalist males & feminist females (99% of population) agree it's a good thing
>>77502634
Sorry but your offer of living in complete seclusion isn't very attractive. My net happiness is going to be higher flailing through life than just living to the end of my days alone and without any interesting experiences in life. If doing nothing makes you a more fulfilled person then by all means, keep doing you.
>>77499651
This too. You don't replace a changing attitude to kids by simply saying "here have 9months of pay please pop out a kid and lock yourself into an 18yr burden for this small sum"
>>77503253
See that's what makes you a cuck. If you have to choose between humiliation and non-humiliation it's not really a choice at all. And living as non-Chad in human society, that is humiliation.
>>77501970
I wish the cucks with this mentality would just end themselves already. Sitting around whining about how nothing is fair and it's all chads fault but not having the balls to change anything and try because it's not fair, you would think that the logical conclusion they would reach is to blow their brains out but somehow they're too big of a pussy to do this and then just burden themselves on others.
>>77503768
Yes I burden themselves on others. It's all I can do, because due to my inferiority my life is going to be shitty, so at east I will bother some of the lucky normies who have better lives due to luck.
>>77503076
But he did go to work. He did try harder than others to get the promotion. He might have had a dad while you didn't. He might have had a ps2 while you stuck with your stick toy. Life isn't fair. You're right but what the fuck would you have the cunt do? Nothing is fair and he wasn't born into his current job house wife and car. He worked there to get it.
If you want him to apologize for being born into a nicer country just say so. If you want every poster to start each post with
>I'm a checking my white, middle class, stable family, first world, nice small town privilege. Here is my opinion on _____
Just say you want that
>>77492087
because it's possible to have a family with one income earner in this economy
>>77489383
Only high level jobs should have them. Then women might actually pay attention in class.
>>77490446
Women shouldn't be working in the first place.
>>77504079
>He did try harder than others to get the promotion.
And his "hard work" was judged better due to halo effect.
>Nothing is fair and he wasn't born into his current job house wife and car. He worked there to get it.
Someone else also worked, maybe harder than him and he didn't get it.
What would I want? For you faggots to stop acting like it was just your hard work that made you succeed. Hard work is necessary, no question there. But is it sufficient? Fuck no. Many people work hard and just few make it. And people somehow pretend that hard work is the be-all and end-all. It's mostly luck.
But I digress. What I would want is for inferior people not to be treated baddly for things out of their control, like they so often are. And if this can't be accomplished, then inferior people should stop contributing to society that treats them unfairly.
>>77503440
You're just an angry loser trying to pull anyone else down with him. Enjoy doing nothing sir.
>>77504564
Yes. Stop contributing to society like you. Spend their days posting to a Chinese cartoon board about their woes and never have the balls to end it.
You're the saddest cunt I have ever seen on 4chan in all my years here.
So, a woman wants to have a baby. She gets fired because of it. The message is - don't have any kids. Gee, I wonder why the West is getting conquered by moslems and spics.
>>77504627
You haven't disproven me. For a board that seems to be focused on facts, this is pretty funny.
>>77489383
Don't be surprised when women get paid less and are less employable.
>>77504808
It's nice that you don't try to disprove anything. About how people are treated worse for things out of their control. So you agree that this is the truth?
And still you are surprised that some inferior people are hateful and actually fight back? Just lol.
>>77504860
If she wants to have a baby, let her have it on her own fucking budget. Why should her employer be paying for her baby? Would you be open to paying someone wage despite not working just so they can have a kid?
>>77503768
>I would kill myself so others should too
you're an idiot, but this isn't shocking given your flag. Stay in poisonland and go fuck a kangaroo pouch
>>77489383
i think its a good idea. i also think that paid paternity leave should be a thing. maybe not as long as the women, but at least for the first few months.
>>77491586
the gubment pays for it here maplebro
>muh traits
>muh genes
>muh IQ
>>77489383
cunts should be home .. !
>>77490871
This, government forcing the issue is just going to make women less likely to be hired for upper level positions than they already are. The threat of them suddenly getting pregnant is already a common deterrent for employers, but now the government is going to force them to compensate for them not being productive? They'll hire men whenever they can now and women will much less likely to get raises.
Now if it's voluntary then it can be used as a bargaining chip for employers to hire the best and brightest female employees but that would come at a cost. I think in a free market, especially one with far greater competition than the US has currently, you would see more maternity leave companies pop up.
Especially since it's fairly popular, if or when the country becomes more wealthy again people can consume based on their social concerns and I'm sure many would pay a premium to a company that hires women and provides them with maternity leave. Hell most companies would use it as an advertisement of their business "shop from us and support our hard working women."
>>77489383
My wife gets paid money to take care of our kids, what's not to like?
>>77505124
>If she wants to have a baby, let her have it on her own fucking budget.
I rest my case. What a despicable moron you are. Maybe we do deserve sharia tbph.
>>77505809
Why am I moron? If you want something that costs money, you earn the money. That's you know, how people think. Kids cost money and it's not like illness that you can't choose. You can choose to get knocked up or not.
So I ask you once again. Why am I a moron for not wanting to force someone to pay that some bitch can raise kids that she choose to have?
>>77493009
>Women are devilish cunts
>90% of murder and crime committed by men
>a few women take advatange of maternity leave so all women are evil
i want mra beta cucks to go back to /r9k/. You have to be incredibly retarded to not understand that men are a lot worse than women.
Men held all the power in the world until they squandered it all away and let women manipulate them with something as trivial as pussy. Men are 100% to blame for having everything and then losing it to a bunch of sluts because they cant control their libidos
>>77489383
Another tax payer black hole created by women, for women.
>>77490446
They need to go back to taking care of the house instead of pretending to be men.
>>77506083
pay your debts and leave your parents basement.
>>77504860
See >>77502231
Go run a business then have half your team disappear and also expect to get paid. But you're right, we should just pay them while producing nothing right? I can only dream that one day your slim profit margins are obliterated by Becky taking maternity leave after being just hired.
>>77506334
>slim profit margins are obliterated
some of the wealthiest companies in the US all offer maternity leave though.
Netflix, google, twitter, facebook, etc etc etc. Are you saying these companies arent making money? are you literally retarded?
>>77505997
Then why have public schools and kids hospitals, you braindead? Why not teach them at home until they're like 25. Jesus fucking Christ, you're an idiot.
>>77506578
Netflix and Twitter actually don't make any profits.
>>77506578
He's saying that smaller companies just can't afford it and for many of them some bitch getting knocked up is a big fucking problem.
I just understand the logic. Someone doesn't work, takes care of kids instead, but expects pay. Doesn't work, expects money. No work, get money.
Makes no sense really.
>>77506707
>Netflix and Twitter actually don't make any profits.
Twitter:
Revenue Increase US$2.21 billion (2015)[3]
Net income Increase US$ -521 million (2015)[3]
Netflix
Revenue Increase US$6.77 billion (2015)[2]
Operating income Decrease US$305 million (2015)[2]
Net income Decrease US$122 million (2015)[2]
Total assets Increase US$10.20 billion (2015)[2]
Total equity Increase US$2.22 billion (2015)[2]
Like seriously, are you just pretending to be retarded? Pls tell me you arent actually this unintelligent.
>>77506583
How are public schools and kid hospitals related? That's not at all comparable to what a private employers decides to do, which is to pay or not pay maternity leave. I'm talking about a private company. Because believe it or not, like this guy >>77506578 said, not all companies are Netflix, Google, Twitter and facebook.
>>77506075
>mra beta cucks
>>77507123
looks like i found one. Are you denying that men held ALL the power in the world and let let women take over without any fight because the women manipulated them with sex appeal? I mean how else can you explain it? Men literally held all of the power until 50 years ago and they let it all go to waste.
>>77496043
Jesus
>>77491528
And people like this think they're smart.
Democracy was a mistake.
>>77489383
Buy and employ a robot. I have. Lots in fact. No maternity pay. Yay me. No, don't expect me to pay a non-human-workers tax to sub the workshy. I've got that covered too. Until they find a way to get me I suppose. But maybe they won't. Anyway, yeah, get some robots.
>Men literally held all of the power until 50 years ago
>>77491528
That's very uplifting.
I am glad for her employees.
>>77493910
>Women just know how to milk the system.
They evolved for this.
>>77506578
are you fucking illiterate? The greek poster quoted is talking small business (which he is involved in) and you reply saying hurrr facebook makes billions. What fucking relevance does that have?
What is meant is that a small business that has 3 workers cant afford to lose one and then end up paying for 4 as they replace and continue to pay maternity leave. The larger a company gets and the more it makes the better benefits it can offer to its workers to retain them and attract the best talent. Your mom and pop shop isnt going to be able to offer the same benefits as working at google and forcing them to is suicide.
>>77506707
>>77506971
I dont think greek poster meant to say that they dont make profit but rather their profit margins are very slim
>Walmart's $446 billion of revenue last year was eye-popping, but its profit margins are far from fat--between 3% to 3.5%.
from the first result
What he meant to say (im guessing) is that business with slim profit margins cant afford to lose half their workforce and continue to pay them. This is true for all small business (essentially) and depending on the business could be applicable to large companies too
>>77489383
Its fine as long as its not governmemt required
>>77508347
stop replying to bait
>>77504872
The only fact in this conversations was that life is unfair and we both agreed on that. Where we differentiate is our response to this fact. I chose to not let that stop me from pursuing things that make me happy. Your response is to "give up" and live in seclusion. We can't prove each other anything. I hope you find happiness in your loneliness.
It works fine here, faggots
Men also get it, whether that's good or bad, because we're so hyper egalitarian
>>77509294
Actually the reasonable response would be to fight back against unfairness in any way, but that's a little too FBI-bait for my taste to talk about.
>>77505358
Even if JUSTin uses our tax money to cover the woman's wages, the company still has to run a hiring process, train a new employee to do the job, pay other employees OT in the meantime to fill in the gaps, then let that person they hired go and bring back the woman that went on mat leave and bring her back up to speed.
>>77495562
/thread
>>77509394
Who pays for it and is a company free to not offer it should they choose?
also
>it works here so i dont get why it wouldnt anywhere else
>>77510288
NAV pays for it and companies must comply, as long as they've received notice ahead of time and some other details I assume (not certain on how long ahead of time)
>>77489383
1 post by this id
Sage liberal shill threads
>>77493123
happened here too. But if we don't do it (maternity leave) they won't use their wombs for what it is made for...
Better pay than not have a next generation.
>>77512511
better leave the jobs to men altogether
>>77489383
If a private business wants to offer it then more power to them but if women want the government to force businesses to provide it then I'm against it.
>>77490446
It's not a double-standard, it's just a double-bind. I want to make it easier for women to raise kids, yes. I also want to make being a housewife easier, relative to being a career woman; and I want to make it easier for the right people to breed, and harder for the wrong people. Money doesn't grow on trees.
