was obama really bad?
>>77481592
Obama is getting lolis, confirmed evil
>>77481592
>unleashed the ACA onto the american populace
>made a bunch of shitty government insurance companies to provide for new applicants
>they all fold or in the process of folding
>fucks the medical community and pushes it further into an undersirable field for anyone with a brain
yeah nah the dude can suck my dick, literally ruining healthcare while the masses eat the shit up
the doctor shortage is gonna be really fun hope you anons make enough money to pay a doctor for private care because they're almost non existent and cost a shit ton
>>77481592
the worst we've ever had.
worse than wilson, who stroked out and had his wife run the presidency the last year of his term.
worse than a woman covering for a fucking stroke victim
Is that picture real? That looks awfully innappropriate
Nah, he was cool.
>>77483395
Well, he's fucking muslim afterall.....
>>77481592
>If Clinton can do it, I can do it. Joe! Bring me my cigars!
>>77482755
Agree 100%
>>77483067
Jesus anon, when you put it that way.
For whom?
He's incredibly, mind-bogglingly anti-white. If you're white, he was bad.
>>77483067
good, good, let the butthurt flow through you
now keep voting against your own self interests
>>77483395
i think it's the daughter of the chinese head of state.
naw, i think it's real because i saw a video of joe biden kissing a chinese child.
>>77483395
She's his niece.
>>77481592
He was bad but when weighted against other recent US presidents he wasn't really that bad at all. While you're never going to please everyone 100% of the time, he did still make some very questionable decisions like choosing not to close guantanamo bay, putting forward the affordable care act, and right now signing things into law by executive order that are not of dire need for a large portion of the population. His stance on free trade is also pretty frustrating since "free trade" is really just a bs term for "less control over our imports and exports." But he didn't ruin the country and being the president is a really hard job that almost nobody can do correctly. With that in mind I give him a 7/10.
Yes he was bad. 10+ trillion dollars bad. In comparison to other presidents he is only marginally worse.
>>77481592
Well he created ISIS so what do you think?
>>77481592
He made racism bigger than it was in decades.
I don't know yet whether that's a good thing.
>>77481592
Same girl?
>>77484690
If his only negative legacy were fair housing, he would be the worst president for whites in the entire history of the country.
>>77485055
If you think about it, I don't know if I would have ever been red pilled if Obama didn't nig up the white house. Not that I really care on the conscious level, but I suspect some deep part of me rejects the idea of having a non-white leader.
>>77482755
ACA is meh. Some redeemable parts, the more people that participate in Healthcare, the cheaper it is for everyone. Uninsured crackheads who OD are a total drain on the system when they get admitted. So in theory if everyone were insured it'd be good.
Also, under parents coverage until 25 is nice.
You know Obama made all of this Healthcare Reform because his mom died and was worried about health care costs? I just found that out.
>>77481592
http://talkobamato.me/synthesize.py?speech_key=90793c2d1148fac9a7b3fc1e7f661274
yes
>>77485091
Worlds biggest fucking creeper
>>77481592
He did nothing to repair America's infrastructure
He fucked up the Middle East worse than GWB, but he gets a free pass because his skin is the colour of shit
Basically Obama pissed away 8 years
>>77481592
Obama has game.
>>77485252
>the more people that participate in Healthcare, the cheaper it is for everyone
Yeah, but it's not cheaper, it's gotten more expensive. It may have gotten more people insured but it didn't do anything to curb the cost.
>>77485141
"Whites" is a really broad category that resists sweeping statements like that by virtue of the inherent diversity within.
>>77485252
>the more people that participate in Healthcare, the cheaper it is for everyone
but all it did was get people insured who are too big of a risk to insure, so prices keep going up
>>77485646
President isn't god. He has no control over any of those things.
>>77485711
Just got back from Anthropology 101, huh?
'White' is a well-understood category. Only those interested in minizing white identity play word games with the label.
>>77481592
What is he doing to that kid?
>>77485327
>>77485252
>the more people that participate in Healthcare, the cheaper it is for everyone. Uninsured crackheads who OD are a total drain on the system when they get admitted. So in theory if everyone were insured it'd be good.
No, that's not how it works you little shit.
>Everyone forced to pay for a service
>Including those who were a liability before
>Now instead of their bills piling up and being unpaid, everyone else pays for them
>>77485091
WTF
>>77481592
his taste in children was
>>77485843
Are you gonna saying that all white americans and all white american communities are the same? For real?
>>77485857
Sex.
>>77485646
Yeah but did he build a wall to keep shitskins out of the country?
>>77486094
"Wtf? "Human"? Fukin' bullshit label. Are you gonna say all 'humans' are the same? For real?"
>>77485843
>'White' is a well-understood category.
define it
>white identity
Stfu you mongrel. Stop cringing everyone with that cringy things.
>>77486095
kek
>>77485796
no, he just controls how the numbers are calculated
>>77486247
>cringing everyone
>lefty/pol/
Into the oven you go.
>>77485986
>>77485962
>>77485932
>>77486038
democrats = pedophile cult confirmed
>>77481592
>fucked with our gun rights
>fucked up our foreign relations for his saudi overlords
>left the border unguarded
>loves islam
>invites muslims into the country
>continued creeping police state
>threatened just about the entire bill of rights
in the grand scheme of things, the only shit he has done in 8 years was abuse executive action
>>77485091
He just can't fucking help himself.
>>77486430
>>77485327
You tell me
>>77486198
You're missing the point. Saying that a piece of legislation is bad for all whites is essentially saying that all whites belong to the same socioeconomic class and have the same day to day concerns.
Humans have alot of things in common. Saying that all humans have skin would be correct because a human without skin would die pretty quickly.
Saying that all humans will be sad from the bankruptcy of an ice cream distributor is another thing entirely.
>>77485246
I began getting red pulled as he began the identity politics issue and catering to dead niggers and their families.
It was around Trayvon, an incident that honestly should have been ignored by the POTUFS, that I began seeing these tribal mentality niggers maintain, and when fatass Brown was put down and again it was brought up by a man who should have had far bigger things to worry about, that I began to frequent here and Coontown.
Then as Coon town got so big that the leftists began changing the rules and oppressing the posters, I truly saw the world as it really was.
>>77484690
I rate him as an "okay" president.
He actually performed fairly well, not excellent, but decent enough. He wasn't involved in any major scandals, the economy rose under his office, he ended the wars in the Middle East, he didn't start any new wars.
I remember how much doom, gloom, and disgust people felt over George W Bush's presidency. Obama didn't have such a disgust about him.
>>77481592
>was obama really bad?
He did his best.
For the foreign policy part, the US saw too big with Syria and Ukraine. Time will tell.
He was really in bad shape 2/3 months ago, eaten by the stress of the problem of china south sea /NK/Russia.
Obama will be into the "right side of history"
>>77485252
It didn't lower prices, it only made it illegal to not pay for health insurance
It was an insurance company lobbying scheme, nothing more.
>>77481592
He fails to deliver on any of his major campaign promises and even obamacare was a bastardized version of what he promised. So no he wasn't that bad because he fails so miserably.
>>77486645
The biggest sin of Obama presidency was being born black
>>77486614
Pointing out that collective ethnic interests exist isn't a prescriptive label, it's a literal description of reality. Many ethnic lobby groups exist to go to bat on exactly these grounds. The fact that not everything is relevant to ethnic interests doesn't disprove the existence of ethnic interests. If racism exists, ethnic interests exist. The fact that you posed such a terrible thought experiment almost made me not reply.
>>77485252
I really feel like you either didnt have health insurance before the ACA or were under your parents plan and now you arent and think its the same thing because you have no idea what your old plan entailed
also more people using insurance more drains the insurance company, and dumb people will now use it constantly because they dont know how it works and since theyre forced to pay for it they might as well use it
its a double negative right there, forced pay and unnecessary use which leads to what i stated....the folding of a insurance provider
you're also ignoring the fact that more and more shit clinics like pro health care and aurora are popping up putting private groups out of practice because of cost and insurance providers not allowing for private practice use
so we get shit doctors who are working triple the amount at the mill clinics and a shortage of them is occurring all while the medical school system is getting harder to get into and is insanely expensive and long
We're talking 8 years of schooling post highschool and about 250,000 in debt and then malpractice insurance yearly
its not desirable and many of my friends who were general, surgeon etc... now want out or their switching to specialized like podiatry or dental because theyre still profitable and they dont work you to the bone
>>77485771
Better let those people die,right?
>>77486962
Unless the legislation specifically targets a single ethnic group then- oh fuck it.
>>77486920
Man, shitskins must love Portugal, why are you dick riding Obama so hard?
>>77481592
Joe's sloppy seconds.
>>77487052
Yes.
>>77487123
I'm glad you decided to abandon your argument instead of moving the goalposts like a retard, but you really shouldn't have gone halfway.
>>77486920
If he wasn't born black he wouldn't have been President at all.
>>77487144
We are 96% Portuguese, and our largest immigrant group is Ukranians. Literally a meme.
>60% white adnd decreasing fast
>>77481592
obongo is flooding the US with military-age men who include terrorists and vermin who hate us.
>>77487249
No, but if he was Republican and White he would be a savior, a saint, and a true conservative
>>77487372
> US with military-age men who include terrorists and vermin who hate us.
source?
>>77482987
saved, thanks m9
>>77484690
He's been trying to close Gitmo but congress and shit won't let him. He has decreased it to half it's size before becoming President though.
>>77486645
He's done almost decently, yes. He's a pretty mixed bag honestly. There's been good like killing Osama, gay marriage legalized under his presidency, the affordable care act (despite its flaws), economy recovering, ending most of the wars, the Iran deal, deported the most illegals of any president, criminal justice reform, despite a few flaws, expanding stem cell research, and a bit more. The bad: Libya is a fucking mess, he's trying to take away guns, won't legalize weed, hasn't done enough to end WallStreet and big bank corruption, National Debt is 19 trillion, mass surveillance continues and he has the worst record on whistleblowers, he goes after them like a hawk, "change" didn't really come, just a mixed bag of semi-incrementalist change that has come with a few flaws.
He's been a 6/10 President.
>>77487242
I'm not moving the goalposts.
You stated that the bill was against the ethnic interests of white americans.
The bill doesn't target any ethnic groups. Were it not for anti-white government workers it would be completely neutral to white americans.
It isn't against white ethnic interests unless you somehow think that all whites would automatically be hurt from the verbage of the bill alone.
Look at all the cool stuff he did during his last year :D
Surely this wasn't a thinly veiled attempt at securing a shitty legacy for the history books
>>77487575
>killing Osama and ACA
first the ACA is shit and youd be hard pressed to present an argument to its negatives in this thread about it and killing osama is the weakest thing hes done
also economy recovering is a really really loose way of putting it, when u reinvest trillions and cause a huge debt it better help the economy in some format....which its really not
>>77481592
Yes.
>>77485091
Contact!
Woot, biden gettin' some young nipple action!
>>77487613
>I'm not moving the goalposts
No, you are. You realize that your arguments are literally two posts back, right? Denying reality doesn't make it go away.
You tried to deny the existence of ethnic interests with some bizarre thought experiment wherein you posited that groups don't exist because a group is a macro-label and every group can be microized, which is an absurd argument with no basis in fact.
After I demonstrated that ethnic interests incontrovertibly exist without even mentioning the genetic basis for them, you decided that suddenly ethnic interests do exist, but that this bill isn't relevant to them for vague reasons, likely again the microization of the sample.
In any case, if we're going to change the character of the argument, I'm on board so long as you recognize that you're fairly stupid and your arguments wouldn't follow if we were following appropriate debate procedure.
>It isn't against white ethnic interests unless you somehow think that all whites would automatically be hurt from the verbage of the bill alone.
I don't need to demonstrate that the bill is damaging to 'all' whites to demonstrate that it is damaging to white ethnic interests. Anything that reduces the political, social and economic power base of whites damages their ability to act in their own interests, and is thus damaging to their ethnic interests.
The fair housing bill is extremely damaging to white ethnic interests.
He's pretty good.
Did a lot of good. Fucked up a couple times but it was hardly out of malicious intent, and it wasn't really anything major. The good outweighs the bad heavily.
I don't think he'll have much of a legacy though despite all the PR stuff he's doing at the last minute to try and secure one.
>>77486437
>>77488245
So was he good or no? Right now i see only shit about health care and the oppinions are mixed.
Also arent there still american troops in the ME what wars did he stop?
The only annoying thing about him is the way he tried to act too cool for school in the latest years. FFs you are Potus not some vine kid making shitty vids for attention.
>>77488279
>>77488311
>>77486920
t. Alberto Barbosa
Yes.
>>77488288
Ignore /pol/, most Americans would say he's been an okay/decent President, but didn't live up to his promises.
I rate him a 4/10
>military adventures continue
>Obamacare a cluster fuck both parties don't like
>Nobel prize for no particular reason
I mean, he's not even noteworthy if you're a Democrat. Clinton could actually claim some shit at least.
>>77488556
>didnt live up to his promises.
Thats litelray every politician up to date for the past maybe 20 30 years. IN EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY! (trust from experience)
Im interested how much he shilled and how much he actually did good. Especially internationally speaking. Although i have to agree that he rattled the swords a little bit less than usuall.
Thought he would come in and be Abraham Lincoln.
He ended up as Jimmy Carter.
>>77481592
I think Obama is a decent person, but his administration and policies are pretty close to destroying the US on the lines of social structure and cultural fabric. A very smart, but extremely naive and emotionally lead man.
>>77488235
>You realize that your arguments are literally two posts back, right?
Yeah
yea
>"Whites" is a really broad category that resists sweeping statements like that by virtue of the inherent diversity within.
>Are you gonna saying that all white americans and all white american communities are the same? For real?
>You're missing the point. Saying that a piece of legislation is bad for all whites is essentially saying that all whites belong to the same socioeconomic class and have the same day to day concerns.
>Humans have alot of things in common. Saying that all humans have skin would be correct because a human without skin would die pretty quickly.
>Saying that all humans will be sad from the bankruptcy of an ice cream distributor is another thing entirely.
>I'm not moving the goalposts.
>You stated that the bill was against the ethnic interests of white americans.
>The bill doesn't target any ethnic groups. Were it not for anti-white government workers it would be completely neutral to white americans.
>It isn't against white ethnic interests unless you somehow think that all whites would automatically be hurt from the verbage of the bill alone.
>You tried to deny the existence of ethnic interests with some bizarre thought experiment wherein you posited that groups don't exist because a group is a macro-label and every group can be microized, which is an absurd argument with no basis in fact.
Nope. You're so stuck on the idea of ethnic interests that you're not even reading what I actually wrote.
>if we're going to change the character of the argument, I'm on board so long as you recognize that you're fairly stupid and your arguments wouldn't follow if we were following appropriate debate procedure.
Irony You've made a strawman argument and decided to debate that.
>>77484690
>7/10
On a RYM scale
accounting for shit for brains I'd adjust it as a 5.5/10 and even then I'd disagree
>>77485686
>>77485771
>>77485971
>>77486782
In the long term it's good. I'm just talking basic health care economics 101 here, no real world application, pure ideology. The less people uninsured, the cheaper costs are for everyone. When an insured crackhead ODs, insurance pays half and we pay half through that insurance. When an uninsured crackhead ODs, we pay 100%.
Im not saying ACA fixed this problem, but in the most simple textbook health care problem, the more people coveted the better. But you have to look at all these things in the long term, not "hurr durr my coverage went up in the last 5 years, thanks Obama!" (my coverage did go up so we had to switch to shittier insurance btw. Recent increases in health care costs have 0% to do with ACA. ACA affects long term)
>>77486964
You're completely right, there's less motivation to be a doctor now and doctors are overworked. That's one of the biggest faults of ACA, decreased motivation for new health care providers.
And no I'm under 25, always been on my parents insurance. I pay them the amount they pay because it's cheaper for both of us instead of me getting insurance through my company.
>>77488900
>implying he wasnt instructed to shill for this.
>>77488235
>I don't need to demonstrate that the bill is damaging to 'all' whites to demonstrate that it is damaging to white ethnic interests. Anything that reduces the political, social and economic power base of whites damages their ability to act in their own interests, and is thus damaging to their ethnic interests.
But if the verbage of the bill doesn't target whites then it's not automatically against white interest. It has to be twisted by those who put it into practice.
ran out of space in my other post.
>>77485646
>President enters during a recession before things start to bounce back
Really makes you think.........
>>77488981
>>77489122
>Nope. You're so stuck on the idea of ethnic interests that you're not even reading what I actually wrote.
No, you're just too stupid to understand the implications of the words you use - charitably, assuming I actually believe that you think you're using words properly to reflect some slam dunk argument somehow obscured by your inability to communicate effectively.
>Nope. You're so stuck on the idea of ethnic interests that you're not even reading what I actually wrote.
I've read everything you wrote. You attempted to atomized white identity to render it inert, I described why and why that atomization was irrelevant.
>Irony You've made a strawman argument and decided to debate that.
Less you simply asserting things and more you actually defending your positions. Obviously I know you can't, but it's even less convincing when you don't even try. This style of posting reminds me of the reddit "LOGICAL FALLACY" posts; assertions (usually incorrect) without any type of descriptive backing.
>But if the verbage of the bill doesn't target whites then it's not automatically against white interest. It has to be twisted by those who put it into practice.
Are you literally arguing that the bill isn't against white interests because it's possible in an alternate reality that it isn't against white interests? You know how stupid that sounds, right? It's just such an asinine and ridiculous assertion I don't even see why you would think it's appropriate to type something like that and hit 'post'.
TL;DR delete your 4chan account.
>>77489447
>Are you literally arguing that the bill isn't against white interests because it's possible in an alternate reality that it isn't against white interests?
Ah shit you made me reply. 10/10
So appart from 2 faggots arguing about how the bill affacts the white population (which idgaf) Any other oppinions? Especially on international pollicies and undercover shilling.
>>77489447
>Are you literally arguing that the bill isn't against white interests because it's possible in an alternate reality that it isn't against
bruh
>>77489653
Just fuck off, moron. Delete your accounts. All of them.
>>77481592
He wasn't really that good, but he wasn't really that bad either.
>>77485686
Thats the free market though. You cant blame the hospitals for needing to make a profit. Why should a company sell a pill for 13$ when they could sell it for 750? Nobody if forcing you to spend the money on the drug
>>77486445
>fucked with our gun rights
Sure I guess? Ammunition cost "a little more"
>fucked up our foreign relations for his saudi overlords
Are you saying that's good or bad?
>left the border unguarded
That is true
>loves islam
About as much as any other leftist
>invites muslims into the country
I agree
>continued creeping police state
Implying that wasn't one already during Crimelord W. Bush. They're just really bad at maintaining/enforcing it today
>threatened just about the entire bill of rights
>>Believe anybody in our government still cares about "duh bill ov rights"
2011 was five years ago, teapartier
Obama overall is a 5/10, for his foreign policy was utter shit. I'd rather him get roasted for NOT doing anything during the "Arab Spring", Syria, Ukraine ect ect, then to have half-ass responses that totally backfired for all of us.
>>77488245
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>>77488350
this is my new favorite thing
>>77481592
The funny thing is the Chinese literally consider blacks to be sub-humans, her expression is "why is this funny monkey groping me?"
>>77490647
Depends on the legacy of the next president desu.
If the next POTUS is Trump and he does good, then Obama will considered mediocre. If Trump does really badly, you'll have Obama sandwiched between two bad presidents and he'll be considered genius.
If Hillary becomes POTUS and does good, their combined terms would be considered overall good. If she does bad, he'll be considered bad too.
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