Yes. That's right capitalism is the biggest cancer plaguing the west. We need national socialism now more than ever.
Capitalism benefits from open borders and immigration. Immigration is a good example, as whites are not reproducing, the capitalist Jews import millions of third worlders who will keep their system of exhortation alive and provide a supply of cheap labor. Companies openly advocate for work visas because it provides them with cheap labour (thus more profit) leaving the native population fitting to compete with jobs with poo in the loos and other immigrants.
Free trade is cancerous for a society as it kills home grown industries and exports millions of jobs overseas all in the name of profit? The native worker? He is left to starve. If you want to kill NEETdom then create fucking job programs or create jobs in general. NEETdom and laziness and lack of direction among the youth are just symptons of a greater problem. We need to nationalize the corporations so they work in the benefit of the people and the state and not for their own self-interest. But capitalism is international it doesn't give a fuck about creating jobs for the benefit of the society or country or nation or race it is about profit for the corporation and their shareholders.
Culture becomes another profit making tool. Instead of the entertainment industry promoting good values that benefit society, they promote degeneracy because that's what sells and makes the most profits. Capitalism destroys any and all culture. You can see it everywhere you look from the TV shows to the music to the movies to the books. All trash. In a national socialist society we would have the entertainment industry all actively promoting fatherhood or motherhood.
Capitalism teaches people to be overtly individualistic to the point of neglecting their fellow man and society. It's all about me, me, me. National socialism allows the society to form a collective identity which strengths unity and maintains peace and stability. You help your fellow men under national socialism and class and education doesn't
Capitalism by its very nature creates great amounts of wealth and income inequality which transfers the power from the people to the very few elite who use their great wealth for their own advantage instead of benefiting the collective society.
I can go on and on.
>>76136425
>>76136735
So move to Venezuela commie faggot
>>76136785
class and education* doesn't fragment society into different classes.
>>76136735
I agree completely
National Socialist thread.
Bumping for educational purposes
Redditors and tmblrinas should know more about this before they say ,but ,but nazis.
>>76136800
>national socialism is communism
Okay kid
>>76136800
Venezelua is neither socialism nor national socialism.
Nice argument though, faggot.
Even Stephan Molymeme the king of anarcho-capitalism is moving away from capitalism and free market idealogy.
>>76136735
The cheap labor meme was debunked long ago.
Capitalism simply outsources production.
Mass immigration is caused by socialist politcians.
You're a low IQ aboriginal.
>>76136954
>>76136999
you triggered moor?
>>76137005
>>76137054
Hello fellow nigger.
>>76136735
>national socialism
It still was pretty capitalistic wasn't it? They heavily regulated (or took over?) the finance aspect of it, and added worker protection with mandatory vacations and stuff, and public health, and somehow managed near 100% employment, etc... It always seemed to me like they "fixed" capitalism.
>>76136986
Venezelua is socialist and anti-capitalist you retarded cuck
>>76137865
And Somalia is a libertarian paradise. What's your point?
>shitting on capitalism instead of communism
>>76137344
Nazi Germany allowed people to own private property to encourage competition and innovation but it had to be in the interests of the nation. Which makes perfect sense.
>>76138259
capitalism and sjws go hand in hand nowdays
>>76138259
Really though, both aren't ideal
>>76138334
You can thank communism for that.
>>76138326
How did that work though? I assume the "great industries" were more heavily monitored and controlled, and I got that finance was too (they didn't trust any of that jewish trickery!), but the rest must have worked pretty much like they (should) do in ordinary capitalist economies?
>>76137344
100% employment might be easier when you're constantly killing people. Maybe.
>>76139067
kek! Good point. They must have been constantly running out of people.
>>76139067
>>76139188
Well it looks like they got to full employment in 1939. Fuck man, we could have full employment with socialism.
>>76136986
>Even Stephan Molymeme the king of anarcho-capitalism is moving away from capitalism and free market idealogy.
No, he isn't.
>>76139251
Huh. Interesting! That might not have been sustainable though.
>with socialism
That's not what they were though. Not really. That's why they seem so interesting to me. They seemed like a strange hybrid.
>>76137865
...I don't think you understand what national socialism is you silly cunt
>>76139409
There's different levels of socialism.
Look /pol/, you're going to have to admit that the Nazis were socialists. There is no getting around it. Their policies were socialist, and their society was based around working for the good of the society rather than the individual.
They were socialists.
I'm super fuckin' comfy under this capitalist system.
Qt girls
nice dinners
I don't need more than that I'm ez to please
thanks capitalism
>>76136735
>bashing capitalism
>uses the Internet or a computer
How is middle school?
>>76136735
you are cancer
Vrag has done quite a few videos on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJQRGt4mjzU
>>76139535
This. The Nazi's just mastered a conceptually interesting political philosophy that won't die (and for a good reason).
I've never seen a cool looking communist in my lifetime. Even their idols
I've never liked a single fucking picture or symbol they've put forward.
It just all seems so anathema to me that I fucking hate it. I hate it like the fucking plague that it is.
Proof that Capitalism>Fascism lies in the fact that the West consistently outproduced Germany, and Britain maintained a higher GDP per capita than Germany throughout the war even in 1940 and 1941 when Germany had access to Polish and French industry. If National Socialism was so good they wouldn't have started a war they couldn't win and they wouldn't have been in a situation where they couldn't have won the second world war. Fuck Britain up until Churchill took over practically tried to make Germany a super power again, actively sabotaging French and Belgian attempts to enforce Versailles and signing a naval treaty with Germany that defied Versailles behind the backs of France and Italy.
I really don't understand how a traditionalist can believe in unfettered international capitalism and free trade.
If you let the markets decide everything, you will be left with a consumerist culture who values money above everything else. And this will be okay because muh invisible hand.
As if letting the dregs of society guide it is a good idea.
>>76137865
>Venezelua is socialist and anti-capitalist
No. They're a free market capitalist nation of the FUCKED UP variety. Their government had a lot of socialist-like policies (but the cabal behind it wasn't even really left leaning a few years before they took over). But they are very, very corrupt. They nationalized the oil and they made a gamble. They took huge risks with the whole nation and it didn't work. Now they cannot recover mainly because they lack allies (the US made sure of it).
>Hitler lowered the German unemployment rate by 6 million
I'm just saying
>>76139614
The computer was state subsidized you absolute fucking imbecile. Most of the technology that we have today started off in the public sector from spending on defense research. Thanks for proving my point.
>>76139849
Business makes the world go round. Egalitarian fantasy off please. We are not all equal.
See, there's nothing wrong with capitalism. It's an awesome system capable of producing the most wealth and life improvements.
It only becomes a problem when you stop regulating it altogether, thus allowing money to rule even internal political decisions and allowing your own industries to fall because they can't compete with foreign companies that might use slave labor and such.
>>76139724
National Socialism is not communism you fucking retard. You lolbertarians do know that you need to be at least 18 years old to post here right?
>>76139736
>proof that capitalism > fascism is that higher GDP
>GDP is an absolute measure of happiness, health, and a cohesive society that can sustain itself
>unironically believes Hitler started the war
>unironically thinks not being capitalist is why Germany lost
>>76139855
Doesn't matter. Their demographics more clearly reflect ours than some Scandinavian country.
When you have "diversity" (it's our strength!!!) you cannot ever risk socialism or communism. Because egalitarianism is a fucking lie and you know it's a lie.
You live in a country with 40,000,000 NIGGERS
COMMUNISM WILL LITERALLY NEVER WORK WITH 40 FUCKING MILLION NIGGERS. IT WON'T WORK WITH 40MILLION FUCKING JAPANESE, LET ALONE NIGGERS YOU FUCKING FUCK. AND JAPANESE ARE ATLEAST HIGH TIER LIKE WHITES.
>>76136986
Venezuela is literally a socialist country.
>Even Stephan Molymeme the king of anarcho-capitalism is moving away from capitalism and free market idealogy.
No he's not.
Commies have no idea how to deal with black violence, despite them already getting gibs, walking around in expensive clothes (and cars sometimes too) yet still being fucking broke because they spend all their money on hos drugs and bling.
Black violence in action for you commie fucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei1Zlyj_Uug
>>76139535
Socialism plus racial homogeny is very different than socialism. In an all white society, virtually any philosophy would work
>>76138259
Both are anti-traditional and far too economically focused to be healthy. Stop falling for the Marxist meme that capitalism and communism are the only choices
>>76139855
>Socialists praise venezuela a decade ago
>Socialism fails like clockwork and they call it a capitalist state
>Hugo Chavez literally described himself as a marxist
>They literally have nationalized industries like oil
You people are fucking retarded
Wew too many people think in black and white.
Capitalism and Socialism/Communism are just 2 sides of the same coin.
So is the "left and the right" political system.
Democracy is a failed system because you can only vote for the people who have been hand picked by the elite.
OP's pic is bait, right?
>>76140069
>Egalitarian fantasy off please
Are you clinically retarded? Egalitarianism is the foundation of democratic capitalist nations. Notice that none of your political parties would dare speak out against egalitarianism while falling over themselves to pass the latest free trade deal.
They all have collective amnesia and believe Western civilization started after the French revolution.
>>76140266
>Hitler was a communist
I can see your leaf, no need to say something so stupid.
>>76139535
>There's different levels of socialism.
I'm OK with that. I think the west is in deep trouble right now (/pol/ sees that) because it is unable to develop a form of free market socialism that works for it and its culture (possibly because the corporations have become too powerful to allow it). We're left with half-measures that demoralize people, promote degeneracy and destroy our culture instead.
Capitalism will eventually lead us to socialism naturally, but the results won't be pretty if we don't attempt to keep it under control. It'll probably happen after globalization has destroyed all cultures. We won't be nations of people anymore, just a whole world of serfs.
>>76136735
And where is the modern/technological society that national socialism has built?
Oh.. that's right..
>>76136735
I was unaware freedom of association was cancerous.
>>76136785
Please do commie faggot
I would love to hear more how national socialism some how leads into a better society than non-anarcho capitalism.
>>76140074
[this triggers the lolbertarians]
>>76136986
Molyjew is a shill that only ascribes to meme philosophy because it gives him views
>>76140614
Destroyed by the communist pawns of the Jewish financiers.
>>76140614
It got you on the moon, you fucking retard.
>>76140643
Pic related. We're doing wonderful right now aren't we, fellow serf?
>>76136800
>literal national socialist
>commie
>>76140503
You cannot never have a society that is united that has a strong set of values and culture with free market capitalism. It doesn't work. Capitalism and communism are both internationalist.
>>76140614
A lot of the innovation starts off in the public sector or through corporate subsidizes which gives corporations incentives to spend money on R&D. Do you realize how much of the technology you have today came from public spending on defense research? It's a lot. The money that we spend on defense research is then used to make profits for corporations. Stop being a retard m8.
>>76137865
>socialist and anti-capitalist
>Not National Socialism
I really hate it when national Socialist cucks like you are trying to make that cuck Ideology into something its not.
>>76139614
Don't support OP but your argument is fucking retarded since almost everything in our society is a product of capitalism
>>76140730
>It got you to the moon
And how has that affected my life in any way? Capitalism could and will provide the same thing more efficiently
>>76140074
put up sanctions on countries using slave labor
if apple proved one thing, it's people don't give a fuck about slavery or bad conditions for other people. Foxconn delivered the iPhones and people bought them knowing it..
>>76136735
that picture makes a compelling argument
>>76136735
>dat pic
should be titled "why a military industrial complex works"
>>76140614
>american education
>>76136735
What the fuck is up with Australia today? It's been nonstop shitposting all day.
>>76140793
>free market capitalism
I meant internally. With regulation. International trade could be strictly controlled by the state (capital flow in particular). Only trade with allies that share similar values, protect their workers the same way, and that can be trusted not to cutoff the flow by surprise, etc. Trade deals could be done only after consulting the population and making sure businesses have time to adjust.
>>76136954
-> The farmer is striving for money, so he can buy nice things. "Do it for your people" only takes you so far, communism proved that quite clearly.
>>76140865
>Capitalism could
You think there was money to be made landing on the moon? No, it could not.
>will provide the same thing more efficiently
No, Elon Musk will continue to fuel his pet project because he's brilliant. But Space X doesn't turn a profit. Not even close. It only exists because he has a boner for space. The only competitor he has is ENTIRELY focused on low orbit travel for tourism purposes.
Pic related. More glories of the free market.
>>76136735
Unemployment went down so much because Hitler got so many german men killed.
>>76138767
Basically if someone was caught doing business in an anti-social manner, their assets were seized and they were imprisoned.
So in a NatSoc America, the Waltons and the kikes in charge of Uber would be gassed.
>the /pol/ Nazi movement was actually a planned embrace-extend-extinguish attack by Marxists from Reddit
who'da thunk it?
>>76140854
A lot of the innovation that we credit the private sector with started off initially in the public sector thanks to defense spending. Capitalist cucks will never tell you this though. How does it feel knowing that your tax dollars went into the defense research and large corporations exploit that research which you spend money on to sell you overpriced gadgets?
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-us-military-is-responsible-for-almost-all-the-technology-in-your-iphone-2014-10T
>>76141153
In 1939? Mind mentioning how?
>>76141109
>No, Elon Musk will continue to fuel his pet project because he's brilliant. But Space X doesn't turn a profit. Not even close. It only exists because he has a boner for space. The only competitor he has is ENTIRELY focused on low orbit travel for tourism purposes.
Thanks for proving our point that private charity and private individuals will do these things without government coercion.
>>76141203
>Basically if someone was caught doing business in an anti-social manner, their assets were seized and they were imprisoned.
Damn. They codified all that?
Being buddy with a few state officials really must have helped staying in business...
>>76141247
Proof
https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gateway/file.php?name=spru-event-mazzucato-final-final.pdf&site=25
And yet capitalists will continue to tell you that the iPhone was the result of free market ingenuity.
>>76141365
Eh, c'mon... that's the exception rather than the rule.
>>76141247
The industrial revolution and Henry Ford weren't made by the government. No one has said that the government has contributed nothing to technology. The point and the reality is that government redtape makes R&D even harder for businesses and that the government has to tax in order to research itself, which has a crowding out affect for private charities to science.
>>76141365
60 years later? Yeah, you sure showed me.
A one in a generation autistic billionaire can shoot a rocket out of orbit over half a century later than Germans with government funding.
Socialism doesn't work. Had Hitler won the war his economy would not last long. Socialism is never sustainable.
True white nationalist capitalism is the only system which will allow white people to reach their full potential. Every white person working in self interest, competing with each other. Truly only the strongest will thrive, while the weak shall suffer.
>>76141471
>Being buddy with a few state officials really must have helped staying in business...
Hardly. Corruption was considered treason and punishable by asset seizure and death for all parties involved.
>>76141646
>Truly only the strongest will thrive, while the weak shall suffer.
Then you shouldn't be disheartened with mass immigration, free trade and open borders you cuck. Are you too afraid to compete with the rest of the world? Capitalist cucks are never consistent.
>>76141610
But going to the moon has no intrinsic value other than being a dick measuring contest. A lot of the R&D done by private entities are for profit which benefits the people largely.
>>76141247
Yeah, I get that. NASA seemed like one of the entities through which "economic conversion" (transfer of technology from the military sector to the civilian sector) took place.
It seems like the US' defense industry was a lot more prolific in the past than it is now though. Where will the US finds its new german scientists?
Somewhat related to OP's thread: but something disgusting that companies do which is perfectly accepted under capitalism is to ask new candidates that a company is hiring what their current salary is in the hope that he gives an answer lower than what the market rate would be for that position if he was hired.
Disgusting, desu. End rant.
>>76136785
and just like capitalism, marxism has historically shown that the elite rule over the rest. Just like any other large-scale government structure in all of history ever
>>76141646
National socialism does work though. The key difference between National Socialism and the more traditional Marxist variants of socialism is that National Socialism is that everything is for the advancement of the people of the nation in question, whereas Marxist socialism and its variants, the system is built to favor the globalist Jews who run it at the expense of everyone else.
Zionism and Marxism are just two sides of the same shekel.
>>76141840
>But going to the moon has no intrinsic value
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies
>A lot of the R&D done by private entities are for profit which benefits the people largely
Most of the R&D done by private entities are funded by government grants, based off of existing government research/discoveries, and the majority of private R&D at this very moment is related to consumerist software and artificial flavoring.
The best chemists in the world go to work for McDonalds to perfect the saltiness of their french fries and bun coloring.
>>76136735
It's obvious that National Socialism worked for Germany. But facts are racist
I could be full national socialist if I felt I could trust my countrymen. I can not, and should not, believe that the people in power are qualified or even dedicated to their positions' responsibilities over an over reaching political agenda. Until a country full of like minded people who trust their neighbors give it a try we won't know how well it will work. The last two times there were people put in ghettos or expelled and it worked alright compared to the massive depressions before hand. Eventually a group of rich people will do something like a loose confederation in South America or the Middle East and we might see a meritocracy form, but for now capitalism gives the individual a better chance than the community.
>>76142030
Let me add that this distribution of talent was what the "market" decided to the detriment of Western civilization.
>>76141988
>everything is for the advancement of the people of the nation
Thats what every marxist socialist says.
>>76141759
Oh those good ol' nazis! Always with the asset seizure and imprisonment and death and such.
That must have been well codified though? Is there a summary somewhere of what those laws looked like?
I bet this is EXACTLY what our jewish friends in wall street would NEVER want to see make a come back.
>he thinks nazi germany could have kept their war economy going without actually going to war
wew lad
>>76142302
Are you gonna actually come up with a decent counter-point instead of vomiting 'muh marxism!'?
The facts are clear that National Socialism is the best economic system there is.
>>76136735
while I don't disagree with natsoc. germany. Natsoc wasn't going to last forever and nor was it actually that good... Good state, but clearly a lack of freedom for the sake of order. I imagine if the state had won or at very least survived ww2, then germany may have aimed to transition to a capitalistic state.
There is a difference between national Socialism and Socialism.
You have to remember there is much less freedom in National Socialism.
When you think of National Socialism you think it will all be honkey dory like it was in Nazi Germany, that type of national socialism would only work if the leader loved his people and cared for them like Hitler did, You'd find that any form of government would work if the Leaders cared for their people like he did, even Capitalism.
>>76142133
National Socialism only worked for Germany because of the massive military buildup for a certain little war in the near future cough cough
>>76142364
How does this refute any of the points made in the OP?
>>76142364
>war economy
>full employment in 1939
wew indeed, nigger.
>>76142364
From what I understand, a persistent war economy that didn't necessarily require war is exactly what they had.
For us, war can only be temporary. The elite allow the war if they profit from it, but they want to be free again to use their capital arbitrarily once it is over. Workers also could not tolerate being to war for too long; their working conditions keep degrading during war time.
Nations usually have to build up capital and go into debt before or during wars, but it doesn't necessarily mean that a war-less war economy is unsustainable.
>>76142030
>Spin off
>intrinsic
But that's besides the point. How many of these technologies on this list turned into economic growth? You're burning the taxpayers out for science funding that they won't be helped by. The best case for your argument is on national defense, and I wholly agree with that even as lolbertarian, because I'm not an anarcho-fag. The atomic war era brought a lot of new technology to the US since we were competing, but a lot of it did not translate into economic growth.
>Most of the R&D done by private entities are funded by government grants, based off of existing government research/discoveries, and the majority of private R&D at this very moment is related to consumerist software and artificial flavoring.
I don't see this as a good thing. Why should the government decide what science is more important? The US had never had government funded science until the 40s and we still had huge technological booms.
>>76142621
>full employment
How is that even considered an accomplishment when they literally used forced labor?
>>76142621
Could that be due to rebuilding the defense force after ww1 etc? Is there documentation that shows percentage wise what the job composition was that year? Would be good to show how it wasn't all in one sector.
>>76142583
It was pretty damn obvious - what Hitler did was no sustainable for the long term and was predicated on a war in the future to keep things rolling along with the periphery used to fund the centre of the empire. The idea of National Socialism working over the long term without a war is fanciful just as the programmes of General Tito in the former Yugoslavia were unsustainable for the long term. There is no silver bullet and I wish people would stop looking for one because there is none.
>>76142583
Capitalism only means people own their own property and use it as they want rather than there being a collection of people who call themselves the state laying claim to property. I don't know what about that idea is objectionable.
>>76143247
>only means people own their own property
Yeah, but corporations ruling the world now fits under this definition too somehow because people see them as technically distinct from governments because they are ran by separate cabals of non-government people. OH GREAT that's so much better.
>>76142940
>Developments created by scientific advancements is not an intrinsic value to government research
Try again.
>How many of these technologies on this list turned into economic growth?
You know, they might not make as much money as McDonalds special Big Mac (tm) sauce, but I consider things like artificial limbs, water purification techniques, and the internet pretty important.
>You're burning the taxpayers out for science funding that they won't be helped by.
The entire videogame industry and the internet only exist because of government research. I think NASA has more than paid back its tax dollars.
>Why should the government decide what science is more important?
Because important research is not always profitable, but immensely important for the future of mankind.
>we still had huge technological booms.
Before centralization or organization to the extent of the post WW1 world were possible, yes.
>>76143040
You're confusing the USSR with Nazi Germany. Kikes weren't in work camps in 1939.
>>76143063
I wish there was more documentation, but any kind of evidence that shows Nazi Germany in a less than evil light is not easily available.
>>76143598
Corporations are literally created by governments.
>>76144103
Yeah no shit, they have to be legally registered. Doesn't mean they wouldn't happen anyway.
>>76143779
>Try again.
Intrinsic means original or direct. A spin off is not intrinsic.
>You know, they might not make as much money as McDonalds special Big Mac (tm) sauce, but I consider things like artificial limbs, water purification techniques, and the internet pretty important.
I would argue these things would happen without government intervention. Even OECD has admitted that private sector R&D has created more growth than public sector R&D.
https://www.oecd.org/eco/growth/2505752.pdf
>The entire videogame industry and the internet only exist because of government research. I think NASA has more than paid back its tax dollars.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I never denied that government has contributed nothing. There are more technological advances not created by government than there were created by government.
>>76144285
There would be a government if they happened. The issue is government senpai.
>>76144508
Fuck, typo. I meant that I never denied that government has contributed to science.
>>76136735
>nazi economic miracle meme
The Nazi's fucked up the German economy and only allowed for a short term change in economic fortune for the people of Germany, the system literally would have collapsed if Hitler did not declare war in 1939 as the economy was by that point geared towards war production as opposed to food or consumer products of which their was constant shortages in Nazi germany (http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/food-rationing_in_Pre-World_War_Two_Germany-pdf). On top of that 100% empolyment means dick all if its not actually meaningful, the Nazi economic model was heavily influenced by Keynesian economics in the early years which meant that the government was merely creating jobs for the sake of creating jobs. The Nazis were also not self sufficent at all, Germany lacked many of the critical resources needed to wage war, especially oil compared to other nations and needed to trade for them from the Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%9341)#Late_1930s_German_raw_materials_crunch). National Socialism literally had to beg from its mortal enemies to fund its war machine, the system just wasn't efficient and further proof of its failure was letting Goering run the show as he was even more economically illiterate than Hitler. The Nazis even failed to switch to a proper total war economy until 1943 when Speer took over and actually made the system at least good at handling a war but it was far too late by that point. tl;dr National Socialism was fucking dog shit at economy and couldn't even keep a trade balance in favor of Gernmany. between 1933 – 1936, German export prices dropped by 9%, while import prices increased by 9%. (https://nazieconomicpolicy.wordpress.com/)
>>76144508
It also means belonging to a thing by its very nature. Scientific advancements created by government research is an intrinsic value of government research. I gave you a list of inventions that were based on these scientific advancements or outright created by government research.
>Even OECD has admitted that private sector R&D has created more growth than public sector R&D
Why are you equating economic growth with scientific advancement? I know that big mac special sauce creates a lot of value for McDonalds. It's fucking worthless to creating a better nation.
>There are more technological advances not created by government than there were created by government.
Most of which are based on technological advances created by the government this past century. See the iPhone.
Again, this is all ignoring the disastrous effect that free market capitalism has on a nation's culture.
>>76136735
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>>76138112
>>76139706
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>>76142532
These are literally basicbitch liberal arguments and you assume that capitalism is comepletely unregulated in the countries it's implemented in (hint: it isn't). You're not even arguing for Hitler's Prussianism, you're arguing for Venezuela tier socialism. Saying that SJWs (literal communists) are capitalist is like when feminists desperately try to convince people that neckbearded beta males are all MRAs as they stand behind them at their feminist gatherings. Single mothers, multiculturalism, welfare leeches, all a product of socialist welfare policies being introduced in the capitalist west.
>>76139736
>>76140074
this. They base their "proof" in birthrates that resulted from laws completely unrelated to socialism (enforced family values) and propaganda.
>>76144624
>Literary digest article with no source, figures, or even an author's name
>Germans went from prostituting themselves and starving to only being able to buy a couple pounds of butter a month! The horror!
>unironically complaining about Keynesian economics when the US was its poster child until the 60's
>The Nazis were also not self sufficent at all, Germany lacked many of the critical resources needed to wage war, especially oil compared to other nations
Do you think Capitalism creates oil reservoirs? Are you fucking retarded?
>nation conducts trade with foreign country, happens to be National Socialist
>begging!
>nation conducts trade with foreign country, happens to be demotist capitalist
>free trade! wealth creation!
>The Nazis even failed to switch to a proper total war economy until 1943 when Speer took over
Nice source, that's why they took Paris and bombed the shit out of the British night and day.
![a57e0b5efc146722bebb247909512769[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/7OfpJH9.png "a57e0b5efc146722bebb247909512769[1].png")
>>76144912
>Again, this is all ignoring the disastrous effect that free market capitalism has on a nation's culture.
You can still have a free market and not be a shit culture. Blame globalism, the US's isolationist policies and free market worked. Hans Herman Hoppe is pretty based too.
>I know that big mac special sauce creates a lot of value for McDonalds. It's fucking worthless to creating a better nation.
It's not just that though. As businesses want to compete they will look for ways to improve productivity, creating more access to goods and services for people. Think of automation for instance.
>Most of which are based on technological advances created by the government this past century. See the iPhone.
I'm talking in history in general.
>>76145084
>You're not even arguing for Hitler's Prussianism, you're arguing for Venezuela tier socialism
Maybe in your head.
>Single mothers, multiculturalism, welfare leeches, all a product of socialist welfare policies
No, they're the product of post-french revolution enlightenment philosophies that are the corner stone of capitalist moral arguments. Primarily egalitarianism, and that the masses understand what is best for them.
>>76145084
>These are literally basicbitch liberal arguments and you assume that capitalism is comepletely unregulated in the countries it's implemented in (hint: it isn't).
We fell for the lolbertarian memes!
>>76142320
I don't know how much of this was codified into law, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
IE: Profiting from the manipulation of money through banking, futures trading, trading stocks, et cetera. See also: the way the Jews got their stranglehold on the world economy.
>In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
Otherwise known as fucking over the nation for your own profit.
>We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
More Jewish bullshit. Buying land and not developing it so you can sell it for a huge profit later.
>We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
Standard Jewish shit.
>>76145533
>You can still have a free market and not be a shit culture.
Not if the media operates within a free market. If you haven't noticed, America is exporting culture, not importing it.
>As businesses want to compete they will look for ways to improve productivity, creating more access to goods and services for people
This doesn't equate to happier, healthier, or better educated people. It doesn't even equate to more scientific advancements. If people want to smoke crack and it were legal, you can bet your ass companies would discover great new methods of smoking crack.
Public demand for specific goods =/= what's best for the public.
I'm not advocating for an entirely centralized economy with means of production owned by the state. In fact, I think national socialism today would encourage small businesses and dismantle economic behemoths.
>I'm talking in history in general.
In most of recorded history, major technological advancements were created by smart men employed by Kings and lords to be smart. A lot of extremely important math developments were thanks to some people trying to figure out how to best destroy city walls for their side's invading army.
>>76142030
>The best chemists in the world go to work for McDonalds to perfect the saltiness of their french fries and bun coloring.
That's one thing where our society is going wrong.
When they make new foods, they don't even evaluate their quality based on how "good" or "satisfying" it is, what matters is: do you want more of it. And there's a huge difference between the two. They managed to make them drugs-like somehow (best chemists in the world!). And they're unhealthy.
And the pharmaceutical industry can make your blood boil too (figuratively and literally).
>kill millions of jews
>steal their money
>steal a bunch of countries' land
>"look how rich we've become through our own virtue"
>germany gets completely destroyed
>all this in just over a decade
it sure works great
>>76146046
>This doesn't equate to happier, healthier, or better educated people.
You can say the same about socialized healthcare and education. It doesn't matter how educated your people are if you cannot produce anything, look at Europe
>I think national socialism today would encourage small businesses and dismantle economic behemoths.
We tried that under Teddy Roosevelt. It worked in the short term, but a lot of anti-trust laws don't actually work properly and hurt good businesses, we still have a lot of corporate giants today.
>In most of recorded history, major technological advancements were created by smart men employed by Kings and lords to be smart. A lot of extremely important math developments were thanks to some people trying to figure out how to best destroy city walls for their side's invading army.
I agree that national defense spending has brought a lot of science and helps defend the nation. I'm not arguing against national defense spending. The iPhone wasn't created by government, even if it used technologies that the government had founded. It was created by the market to beat out other phones and made it so most people in our society have a fast and easy way to communicate and entertain themselves.
>>76145997
Hrm OK. Yeah the general principles make sense... Eliminating "economic rent". And the whole financial sector sure can always use some fixing (I don't properly understand finance in general though, my jewish power level is quite low).
I guess a judge would evaluate things case by case and try to figure out what were people's intents, etc?
Nowadays we're just used to corporations hiring thousands of lawyers and taking advantage of absolutely every possible loophole, and the government tolerating it even though the spirit of the laws are being raped.
>>76146601
The Jews stole that money. It was simply taking the wealth of the German people back from alien parasites.
The Land belonged to Germany, but was stolen by the Allies two decades before.
There's nothing wrong with recovering your shit after someone steals it.
>>76146961
>You can say the same about socialized healthcare and education
A government whose only loyalty is to its citizenry rather than lobbying dollars has an interest in making its nation happy, healthy, and well-educated. A corporation does not.
>a lot of anti-trust laws don't actually work properly and hurt good businesses
You mean they lower GDP by some arbitrary %. This is the problem in discussing capitalism with someone completely entrenched in its system. The benefits of capitalism are capital, damn the rest. Proof that it works? GDP! Ignore the crime statistics, broken families, and destroyed culture. Most of these giant corporations only exist because the government allows them to and feeds them. I'm not arguing for government intervention in every aspect of life or the economy without discernment.
> The iPhone wasn't created by government, even if it used technologies that the government had founded.
It wasn't created by the government, but it only exists because of the government. It is an assembly of government created technology utilizing a government created platform.
>>76136735
The only reason socialists don't have open borders is because everyone would leave.
>>76147358
Lobbying would not be a problem if the government was weak and had little power. Private schools do care about the satisfaction of the parents and students, because they can take away their money if they don't like it. The same can't be said about public schools, if you don't like them then you still have to pay for them. Which of the two promote lefty bullshit more.
>I'm not arguing for government intervention in every aspect of life or the economy without discernment.
Sorry for assuming then. This is a national socialist thread so forgive me.
>>76147141
Let me tell you a story about the Rothschild family.
For most of the history of Christian Europe, usury (the practice of charging interest on a loan) was banned. This ban did not apply to Jews. Ergo, the only money lenders were Jewish immigrants, and they would repeatedly steal the assets of their host nation until the nation got tired of being bled into the poor house by predatory outsiders and expelled them.
The Rothschilds were one such family of parasites in England. During the Napoleonic Wars, the Rothschilds among other Jewish families were making a killing on financing both sides. One day the Seventh Coalition was fighting Napoleon's armies at a place called Waterloo. This battle was to be the most decisive battle of the war and determine which side would win or lose.
Now, Nathan Rothschild knew that the outcome of the battle would have a huge effect on the London stock exchange. He knew that if the Seventh Coalition lost, there would be a massive selloff and prices would plummet. If they won, stock prices would skyrocket. In order to take advantage of this, he set up a network of messenger pigeons to get the news of the battle's outcome to him much sooner than anyone else.
As it turned out, the Seventh Coalition defeated Napoleon's armies, and the messenger pigeons got the news to Rothschild well before anyone else. Since it would be quite a while before the news reached England via traditional channels, he used the time gap to spread the news that Napoleon had won. This caused panic and a massive selloff as the stock market crashed. He then bought out everything he possibly could, taking control over thousands of businesses that men had worked their entire lives to create in the span of a day.
When the real news finally arrived days later, the market skyrocketed and Rothschild made what would be hundreds of billions in today's money.
In a single day, one rich Jew stole most of the wealth of the most important stock exchange in the world.
>>76147701
Should schools do more than to prepare kids for work?
Personally, I think so, to some extent. Much of the "extraneous" education makes up our culture, and our humanity. This has value, but not something the free market can fully appreciate.
Completely let to the free market, schools would just turn people more and more into worker drones (inb4 they already do that, yeah yeah, but it could be worse). And parents would ask for it because they would want their children to have a chance of competing.
>>76147701
>This is a national socialist thread so forgive me.
National socialism is not about government intervening in every aspect of life or the economy either.
>Lobbying would not be a problem if the government was weak and had little power
It's a problem because humans are greedy and will sell their own mothers when raised in a society that teaches them money is more important than their country and family.
>Private schools do care about the satisfaction of the parents and students
Satisfaction =/= better education. There are a lot of retarded parents who are extremely pleased that their private school doesn't teach basic evolutionary theory in science class.
>Which of the two promote lefty bullshit more.
Public schools in certain Eastern European countries have portraits of Orthodox saints and biblical figures throughout their buildings and teach their students that the West is promoting pedophilia through gay activism.
Do not blame the symptom of capitalism's effect on morality.
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>>76148096
>>76147141
In the centuries that followed, the Rothschilds have used that stolen wealth to finance both sides of nearly every conflict in the world. They've used their control of international finances to destroy the Russian royal family and financed the Jewish Bolsheviks who created the Soviet Union. They financed all the "social progress" that destroyed the West. They're using their influence to destroy every country that didn't bow to them. They're actively working to destroy white Europeans right now.
>>76148297
A lot of schools don't even prepare people for work. If highschools actually did that they and the government wouldn't be saying you need college to get anywhere now.
>>76148330
>It's a problem because humans are greedy and will sell their own mothers when raised in a society that teaches them money is more important than their country and family.
Exactly. That's why you can't have a strong centralized authority because people within it are greedy and turn their backs on the citizens they seek to protect without fail.
>Satisfaction =/= better education. There are a lot of retarded parents who are extremely pleased that their private school doesn't teach basic evolutionary theory in science class.
Voluntary exchange, if parents don't want their children going to certain schools it is their right. The fact is that private schools are much better than public schools in education. This is hardly up for debate. Our public schools are garbage. They don't have to compete for profit, unlike private schools. We grant a lot of money to failing schools and see no results. It's like welfare, they get money when they fail, and the money is taken away when they succeed. This breeds failure.
>Public schools in certain Eastern European countries have portraits of Orthodox saints and biblical figures throughout their buildings and teach their students that the West is promoting pedophilia through gay activism.
I don't know a lot about eastern europe. I would assume that their culture is different than ours and that what they consider the norm might be "far right" here.
>>76136735
Imo desu the soviet union was better. Like 70s-80s soviet union. Better than capitalistic countries and much better than nazi germany. Though I might be somewhat wrong about the ussr being better than free market capitalist countries it was infinitely better than nazi germany.
>>76144624
>>76148905
>That's why you can't have a strong centralized authority because people within it are greedy and turn their backs on the citizens they seek to protect without fail.
We've had strong centralized authorities guiding civilization for thousands of years. Right now, we still have strong authorities not even covertly fucking over nations for profit, but openly and have convinced you this is good.
>Voluntary exchange
Cuckholding is voluntary exchange. Because two idiots agree to harm a child doesn't mean they should be allowed to.
>The fact is that private schools are much better than public schools in education
You mean indoctrination. The curriculum that a Harvard student learns is really barely any different from a major state school. The reason the degree is prestigious is because they are selective of who can attempt to earn one.
It is an artificial improvement that can be replicated easily by allocating students into colleges with peers of equal intellectual stature.
>We grant a lot of money to failing schools and see no results
Because the students are retarded who come from retarded families. You can't practice eugenics in capitalism to fix the issue.
>I don't know a lot about eastern europe. I would assume that their culture is different than ours and that what they consider the norm might be "far right" here.
My point is that public schools will reflect public morality. Public morality in capitalism is a la carte, from a Jewish selection.
>>76148096
Hey nice summary. I kept hearing about that but never got the whole picture.
This is well-accepted fact it seems?
Yeah, this sure feels wrong. "That's just how the stock market works." some would say, but it shouldn't be powerful like that. This affects common people. It's not a humane way to treat them. The fact that a fucking WAR was involved doesn't help the legitimacy of the thing either.
>>76148488
Their subsequent power and influence over the world seem like a sequitur to me. What followed would necessarily have been obscured. They must have splintered and merged with other cabals over time though? I always thought of groups of (primarily jewish) bankers as just being one (or some) of the cabals running the world, of which there are many. (Not that you implied otherwise.)
>>76136735
first time I've seen an actual quality post by an Australian.
>>76148511
Eh, yeah good point. They do nothing particularly right. But my point was mostly about what would happen in the long run if future student profits was the goal. And it could eventually come to that. Though not necessarily, it's not entirely impossible for a people to voluntarily chose to propagate its own culture. But we won't be a "people" for long the way things are going.
>>76150086
>They must have splintered and merged with other cabals over time though? I always thought of groups of (primarily jewish) bankers as just being one (or some) of the cabals running the world, of which there are many.
International Jewry isn't a monolithic group. There's no codified agenda. There is a common interest that they all follow though. Whether it's hyper-capitalist globalization like the Rothschilds, the neo-con Zionism of others, or the Marxist communism of Lenin and the Soviets, the end goal is the same. They want all the wealth of the world and the destruction of everyone who can oppose them. That's why they're forcing homosexuality, feminism, immigration, race mixing, and everything else in the libcuck agenda on us while banning all of it in Israel and their own communities.
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>>76149890
>Right now, we still have strong authorities not even covertly fucking over nations for profit, but openly and have convinced you this is good.
>implying I'm not opposed to the military industrial complex
>You mean indoctrination. The curriculum that a Harvard student learns is really barely any different from a major state school. The reason the degree is prestigious is because they are selective of who can attempt to earn one.
I'm talking like private primary or highschools. Harvard is a meme university that uses affirmative action. They do much better on state and national tests, have larger graduation rates, and are more religiously affiliated.
>>76136735
Keep up the fight Aussie too many dumb newfag burgers who still suck up to capitalism, cops, church and military
They think 4chan is simply edgy cuckservatives who will bring back le ebin 50s or whatever egalitarian cuckold milquetoast idea they have
Capitalism is more evil than communism
Just look at the modern west and compare it to the East which has a better chance
>>76150728
But law enforcement and the military are socialized institutions
>>76150578
>century of total war
It's not like technology made centralization and mass extinction more possible at the same time.
I would consider what most civilizations did before the Middle Ages total war.
>implying I'm not opposed to the military industrial complex
Its not just the military industrial complex.
>I'm talking like private primary or highschools.
This has more to do with the fact that the children who can afford to enter those schools have parents intelligent enough to afford sending them there. Intelligence is mostly hereditary.
>>76141547
What is government contracting R and D ?
>>76150565
Pretty rare to see a somewhat nuanced denunciation of the jews here. Some people even blame them when they stub their toe it seems.
>immigration
Capitalism can explain this I'd say (not that there couldn't be other forces promoting it).
They see workers as interchangeable economic units. If they stop breeding, it doesn't even matter, there is an infinite supply in the third world. Their culture does not matter to them.
>feminism
Capitalists also want that.
And the governments were looking at all the UNTAXED housework women were doing and started drooling.
And it generally grants the government more means of social control. Women are easily swayed by the media and are predictable (even the way they vote); they are reliable consumers and don't rock the boat.
And I think destroying the family unit was one of the thing you had to do to according to the Communist Manifesto (to collapse capitalism, ironically)?
>race mixing
Yeah, clearly this is being massively encouraged.
This goes together with immigration though. Capitalism can naturally lead to that. Importing more workers from wherever and expecting them to breed.
>homosexuality
That I don't get why it's being encouraged and normalized. Eliminating intolerance as a moral issue I understand. But why try to confuse people (children even) about their genders? It makes no sense.
Frankly I'm having a hard time imagining the jewish cabals being behind it all.
There are other ways to explain some of those phenomenons (and they sure involve groups of people with some very jewish sounding names) that just follow from our laissez-faire approach to globalization, being allowed because our corporations have taken over our democratic process.
To me it's all the wealthy capitalists of the world working together for shared profit, not just jews. They have no consideration for anything else, destroying even nations and cultures when they are hindrances.
offering tax breaks to businesses investing in infrastructure (ie private road development) tripled the size of the construction industry.
>>76153590
>Capitalism can explain this I'd say (not that there couldn't be other forces promoting it).
>They see workers as interchangeable economic units. If they stop breeding, it doesn't even matter, there is an infinite supply in the third world. Their culture does not matter to them.
No, they're doing it to destroy white nations and replace their populations. They're committing genocide, and they brag about it.
All the things they're pushing are intended to facilitate the above.
>>76140163
>GDP is an absolute measure of happiness, health, and a cohesive society that can sustain itself
Its a measure of the economic output of a nation. OP is touting that Germany is so great in large part because of its economy when in reality its GDP per capita never even surpassed Britain let alone the US.
>unironically believes Hitler started the war
Yep it was totally those evil British and their Jewish overlords that started WW2.
>Germany wants to rebuild its navy
Britain signs a secret naval treaty with them going behind the backs of France and Italy
>Germany wants to rebuild its army
France and Britain do nothing as Germany rebuilds its army
>Germany wants to get rid of the DMZ in the Rhineland
France and Britain continue to sit by
>Germany wants to annex Austria
France and Britain agree, Italy realizes that its allies are worthless and leaves the Stresa Front
>Germany wants the Sudetenland
France and Britain abandon Czechslovakia so Germany can annex the Sudetenland
>Germany annexes the rest of Czechslovakia because reasons
France and Britain act shocked
>Germany forces Lithuania to surrender Memel
France and Britain finally guarantee the independence of Poland
>Germany declares war on Poland
Britain and France finally declare war on Germany launch a small offensive and give up and sit on the border for several months
Germany had dozens of chances to stop and say "hey things are pretty nice right now maybe we can actually listen to France and Britain to some extent." Instead Hitler pushed the allies farther and farther until they snapped and as a result eight million Germans died and Germany lost control of East Prussia and Silesia while Germans were driven out of Poland and Czechslovakia.
>unironically thinks not being capitalist is why Germany lost
No, being retarded and causing wars they couldn't win is.
>>76150816
>socialized institutions
>Capitalists fund the police and military protect and serve themselves so it can't be capitalism
>>76154531
Hrm. I have to say the situation in Europe is bit hard to explain as the corporations' doing alone. They always wanted cheap labor, and they always tried to divide-and-conquer them, but this seems too large scale to be explained by this.
Yeah the SJW types brag about it. They sure hate whites. But I always saw them as the tools of corporations.
Couldn't one of the reasons be to break down country-level nationalism and opposition to the EU? Immigrants are low wage workers and benefit greatly from low prices, risky loans and cheap imports. I think this gives a lot of leverage to the central banks, but I'm not sure this makes sense... The US wants a "United States of Europe" to happen too I believe.
>>76155523
If western European corporations wanted cheap labor, they had hundreds of millions of Slavs to import from the former Soviet satellite states.
They went with niggers and goatfuckers instead, because the goal is not profit but genocide.
>>76155523
>Couldn't one of the reasons be to break down country-level nationalism and opposition to the EU? Immigrants are low wage workers and benefit greatly from low prices, risky loans and cheap imports. I think this gives a lot of leverage to the central banks, but I'm not sure this makes sense... The US wants a "United States of Europe" to happen too I believe.
Are you forgetting who owns the banks, media, and most multinational corporations?
>>76136735
>Capitalism benefits from open borders and immigration.
it really doesn't
capitalism needs people with capital
not broke ass migrants who can't even speak their host's language
ask the EU what the migrants are costing them
our brand of capitalism just needs better regulation focused on the prosperity of the nation and its citizens first
>>76155671
Eh, good question. Why didn't they have mass Slav immigration? I'm sure there are some reasons not to, but enough to justify the alternatives? This is odd. If they were truly to be used as cheap, exploitable labor though, they might have been more likely to revolt? They are still trying to spread or maintain western influence over some of those states, so making it apparent that they are being exploited could be a bad move.
>>76155811
>ask the EU what the migrants are costing them
Yeah but the tax payers are footing the bill.
Corporations still benefit from it.
>our brand of capitalism just needs better regulation focused on the prosperity of the nation and its citizens first
Yeah. You guys better elect Trump. Don't fuck this up America! If Hillary wins Canada has to go through with that TPP/TTIP crap too. He's not even THAT nationalist but he's all we've got to hope for.
>>76137005
>lolbertarians are against this
>>76136735
>White's don't reproduce; immigrants are brought
Reproduce then! Or make a little sign that says "we need NS because whites need to be forced to reproduce"
>>76136735
You have to benefit society to earn money retard
>>76156883
Try to come up with excuses all you want. You've already started down the rabbit hole and there's only one conclusion at the end.
Listen to this.
https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6255455/David_Duke_-_My_Awakening__Audio_Book_2011_--_Latest
>>76158156
>You've already started down the rabbit hole
hehe, it's true!
>David Duke
Man.. I'd rather not. :/
I think it's possibly there might be something like the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan going on. But I'm sure its form and purpose have changed since it was laid out. It seems like we are going to see the Islamization of Europe... this is even more crazy. The US probably won't remain white forever, but at least it won't become Islamic I hope. Canada might though.
I mostly place the US at the center of all of this. I don't think the US is fully controlled by the jewish bankers yet. The political establishment, the think tanks and the CIA seems to be mostly independent. But they are working together for sure.
>>76159107
Read it. You'll feel better afterward.
