>be brit
>surrounded by alt right idiots
>all they ever talk about is "STOP IMMIGRATION" and "MAKE BRITAIN GREAT AGAIN"
>tell them to look at the big picture
>the current scenario: proportion of 65+ population keeps on rising faster than the proportion of 18 - 65 yos due to people marrying later in life and longer life expectancies.
>this means there is a huge hoarding of wealth in the elderly population (savings, pensions, investments), while the younger generations are perpetually stuck in low wage unsecure jobs
>can't increase taxes because 65+ population is greater than 18 - 65 population and they'd vote against tax rises
>can't increase welfare / socialism because 65+ population is greater than 18 - 65 population and they'd vote against more welfare / socialism
>hence only solution is to invite more immigrants with reduced labour rights because 18 - 65 population will be too busy protesting, tumblring, instagramming and twittering against the 65+ crowd
>but this comes with the caveat that immigration population will inevitably replace indigenous populations over time
>obviously not the most favorable option but we have no choice
>alt right crowd calls me a "race traitor"
>mfw thats the only argument they can regurgitate and can't see the big picture...
>>75948622
You have to go back cuck
>>75948622
>Be a dumb frog poster
>realise that the country is aging
>decide that the best way to deal with this is to kick the can down the road by importing millions of people who will all eventually retire
>while stalling the problem the housing market becomes unaffordable, medical lines become unbearable, overcrowding makes people miserable and the standard of living declines
>Oh well this is a problem but since I'm a dumb frog poster I say continue importing people faster than the infrastructure can adapt
>alt right idiots tell me I'm not actually solving any problems I'm just inflating them so when the country inevitably can't fit any more people without collapsing into third world ghetto conditions it will be worse than if the population had been allowed to naturally shrink
>Ree at them before going home to spend my good boy points
>>75948622
Try to see the even-bigger picture.
When automation puts half the population out of a job, all of these immigrants will make your competition even harder.
They won't be funding your pensions, they'll be compressing your wages. More than they do already.
In the coming decades, you're going to need fewer workers, not more.
>>75948622
>"race traitor"
nigger that's the only fucking thing that matters
>>75948622
>muslim immigrants
>work
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155726/Somali-family-benefits-handed-keys--2million-luxury-council-home-Londons-affluent-streets.html
if only this was true
>>75949375
>not realising cheap immigrant labour will still be needed to fuel the robot automation meme
There will be a lamp post with rope waiting for you on the 24th of June traitor cuck.
>>75948622
if the country is full of human garbage it ain't worth shit
>>75948622
ohh this makes me thing the EU censorship act is actually a good idea. This way I will read less bullshit like this.
>>75948622
>wants more socialism
>Older generation doesnt want more socialism because they have fought against it.
>Well, fuck you then grampa, We will let enough Achmeds in to vote for socialist policies then!
>we need more young people to do all these jobs
Or, or, you could concentrate on up-skilling your working population and automating the rest
Focus on increasing health, education, genetics, ethics etc to create a more efficient workforce instead of opting for the dubious strategy of importing illiterate shitskins who commit crimes and leech off welfare
>>75948622
>tell them to look at the big picture
That old people are lazy and should've thought about saving money before they got to 65 years old?
>>75948622
That doesn't solve the problem, it just delays it by 40 years
>>75949972
>Hitler posting from his Australian beach house again
>>75948622
>Younger generation is stuck in low wage unsecure jobs.
>Golly gee, how might we solve this issue... OH, i know, how about we import a shitload of unskilled workers from the third world to compete with locals for the low wage jobs! With no low wage jobs for britains youth to take, that means that automatically the problem of low wage jobs is solved!
>Oh, Britain you are so smart! No wonder we once ruled the world with people like me in their helm!
>>75950275
>Trudau posting from his shitcan country again.
OP is an idiot, less workers means less competition means more job security. More immigrants means they can do shit like diversity hiring and really abuse worker rights and arbitrarily fir- I mean "make redundant" anyone they want. There are literally no advantages for under 28s at all.
Also, migrants don't want the jobs you think they're here to fill. They only want white collar jobs, even Indian/west Asian nurses aren't that great because they have a stigma against touching patients... Which means they can't fucking do the job.
You ate a blue pill.
>>75950329
>Trudau posting from his shitcan country again
>Greeks to poor to see the pic and realize the post was a compliment
>a shrinking population is bad
My favourite meme.
>>75948622
If you bring in imigrants who looks after them when they get older horde there money?
More Imigrants?
The whole left wing logic is Dellusional unstainble and mad won't work.
Your better train native population make it easier have family's more family time.
Loads them rich elderly in uk will retire Spain or somewere chaper anyway.
Leaving jobless imigrants in ghettos
Far left is insane mad only thincks short term
>>75948622
[COMMENT HIDDEN IN RESPONSE TO THE EUROPEAN HATE SPEECH CENSORSHIP ACT]
>>75950440
I like this one more.
>>75948622
>[Short term economic issue] therefore we must genocide ourselves
When you put it that way, it's obvious being against immigration is insane.
#OpenMyBordersLikeMyAnusSenpai
>>75950521
check out that one
>>75948622
There's nothing wrong with population reduction.
>>75950608
not bad
>>75948622
>>the current scenario: proportion of 65+ population keeps on rising faster than the proportion of 18 - 65 yos due to people marrying later in life and longer life expectancies.
So you want to ship in a bunch of reckless horny animals to make up for the fact that you passed a bunch of feminist laws that made it not worth having kids to average smart white people instead of uncucking yourself at the source of the problem?
Literally all it might take is dissolving laws regarding marriage so men aren't screwing themselves over by trying to commit to women
But no, you have to be a massive cuck
>>75948622
Oh, you are one of those people who thinks "65+ problem" is real. You need to read a little bit of history so you can see the "big picture". Then you might understand that your country has had much bigger problems than aging but for some reason you are still there.
>>75948622
>Muslims will pay my pension
There are human beings who actually believe this.
>>75948622
>>obviously not the most favorable option but we have no choice
It's not even a solution, there are serious underlying problems and mass immigration is just a quick fix, the second generation immigrants will face the same problems.
It's an unsustainable pyramid scheme
Ah the good old muh pensions meme
>>75951045
>unsustainable pyramid scheme
Would expect anything less from a room full of jews in Brussels?
>>75948622
>>obviously not the most favorable option but we have no choice
or like
you could retract like every other country that naturally goes through population boom and bust
Population falls, economy contracts, all from how expensive living costs are in the post-population boom country
Without immigration, with the population fall, real estate prices fall, wages rise to accomodate the smaller population pool, doors open for the younger generation in a way that wasn't present for us in the midst of the open immigration meme
by simple merit of the above facts, people can now afford homes and the capability to financially support a family
and
the population naturally starts to expand and enters a new boom phase without the threat of looming civil war from increasingly diverse population that ruins the younger generation's live of BOTH the indigenous and immigrant citizens.
thats the fucking big picture that you are actually missing. forever growth in neoliberal consumer society to support corporate oligarchy and welfare ponzi nets is the real idiot position to take. You are fucking the future generation if only because you refuse to let a natural and sustainable ebb of flow of a nation state to perpetuate
>>75948622
>I'm willing to sell out my own nation's people because I want them to pay more so I can have more and the only way to do this is support opening the gates to a mob of like-minded moochers
>somehow this makes me a race-traitor
No, m8. It just makes you a traitor. Plain and simple.
>>75948622
>>hence only solution is to invite more immigrants with reduced labour rights because 18 - 65 population will be too busy protesting, tumblring, instagramming and twittering against the 65+ crowd
1>Be retarded
2>get called a race traitor
3>cry on 4chan
4?????
5profit, I supose?
Reddit is probably the place for you.
Try Stefans "truth about BrExit" if you want some hard statistics regarding immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zc_q9p9iYg
Even the "EU migrants" are costing you tens of thousands of pount per person per year.
The non EU ones are ten times more expensive on average.
This immigration is the reason your country has fiscal troubble, not the other way around.
Since 1990 the average worker productivity has quadrupled. Robots will continue the effectivization to the point where manual labour will be basicly moot in 25 years.
You have no use for low-skill foreigners just as we in sweden do not.
Where's Brit/pol/? Nige is being based as fuck on radio and I want to post about it.
>15th June
>Are Nige and a floatilla of 60 boats will depart from Southend-on-Sea
>They'll arrive at the Palace of Westminster midday
Just revealed it on LBC as an exclusive.
>>75948622
I'm sure there's another way to sort this issue out other than inviting third-worlders who will only cause more problems down the line.
>>75948622
I see that the jap proxy switched over to a British one
>have problem with aging population
>do not change any laws or how the country operates
>invite a bunch of young immigrants
>???
>profit?
This is something similar to just eating painkillers if you have an inflamed appendix. Its treating the symptoms and not the cause, and eventually you are killing off (the country) yourself.
>>75948622
>>mfw thats the only argument they can regurgitate and can't see the big picture...
There isn't gonna be a 'bigger picture' you limp wristed cumstain. They're gonna eradicate you like the plague you are.
>>75948622
Also, I'm pretty sure you're wrong with the 18-65 populace being smaller than the 65+ populace.
>tfw me mum's nipping up mcdonalds and bringing back mcmuffins
Pakis will never know this feel.
>>75953263
based mum
>>75948622
>but we have no choice
There are plenty of options you're just a jew
>>75948622
> the world is overpopulated. We need to think about birth rates if we are to survive
> we need to import more unskilled labour from countries whose birth rates continue to rise to unsustainable levels to inflate our population.
Pick one.
>>75948622
Gib 1 his reason y baby-boomers shouldn't be left to rot
>>75948622
>oh no our population is decreasing
>oh no the eu wants to import muslims to increase that
>oh no the muslims want to overtake us
>oh no the eu says we're bad guys if we dont let them in
>oh no instead of rejuvenating nationalism for the royalty and for britain we should listen to the eu
>oh no the muslims are murdering us
>oh no we dont understand them we must let them in, if we dont we are bigots. better not leave the eu!
>????
>profit?
>>75948622
Except we don't have a shortage of unskilled labour right now. The UK actually needs more skilled labour and is currently suffering from brain drain. If we invite more unskilled labour it will lead to higher unemployment and a greater drain on social services.
>>75948622
>shitskin immigrants
>come to work
>not for the gibsmedats
KEKS, you're a funny dude Nigel.
>>75948622
75% of Muslim women & 50% of Muslim men in Britain are unemployed.
Unemployment among non-whites costs Britain £8.6 billion a year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Britains-coping-classes-at-breaking-point.html
Non-whites are twice as likely to be living on welfare in Britain than whites.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/08/minority-ethnic-workers-more-often-unemployed
https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/BMEyouthunemployment.pdf
>>75948622
The big picture is Muslims are going to take over the world if you keep letting them in. They grew in Britain 10 times faster than non-muslims in the last 10 years, it keeps happening and soon enough they'll be the majority, and they'll go throughout Europe being the majority. At which point they'll have the power to take over the world. You want Muslims to be in charge of the country (Britain) that was powerful enough to own 1/4th of the world at one time? Europeans letting in muslims and what the means for the world is really my greatest fear in life.
>>75948622
Immigration isn't a long term solution
By the end of this century the world population will begin decreasing (according to UN predictions)
So what happens then? The only real solution is heavy automation or rethinking the current system of things
Or simply imposing a 2 child poilicy to sustain each demographic group in the long term
>>75954206
Also this
Most immigrants don't provide a benefit as the media and government would like you to think
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/ethnicity.pdf
Bangaladeshis - 70% poverty rate
Pakistanis - 60%
Blacks - 50%
Indians - 40%
White - 20%
How can a group of people provide a net benefit if they have a 70% poverty rate?
Those ethnic groups also make up about 10% of the population and 3/5 of the immigrant population
>>75948622
and what do you do when the immigrant population retires, and then when their children adapt to the lower birth rates in the uk and we end up in exactly the same situation we are in now?
you say to look at the big picture then you don't do it yourself, you fucking retard
>>75948622
>what is innovation
>what is working smarter not harder
>what is automation
>>75949126
I like you.
>>75954206
Whenever I try and argue this kind of stuff with people, they immediately conclude I'm a racist
They can't see past the facade of "good immigration" - it doesn't exist in our country, labour between 1997-2010 completely over saturated our country with immigrants and now instead of trying to correct our problems we're told these problems don't exist and everyone refuses to talk about it out of fear of being called a racist
>remove foreigners
>severely cut the welfare state
Problem solved. Importing ethnic conflict isn't going to sustain the welfare state. Unless there's cuts welfare states are going to fail.
Now, I have a solution so the old don't have to die on the streets. Cut their benefits to say $300 a month. Now, this isn't enough money to live on in the west. You have emigration programs set up to settle the retired that can't afford to live in your country in countries with much lower costs of living. So you have grandma sent to a retirement home in the Phillipines or someplace.
Emigration isn't a requirement for the old. Many will have enough of their own money to continue living in their home. Many others will be taken in by their families.
>>75950677
We need it.
>>75949126
You know what, Australia? You remind me of a young and optimistic Britain. Good luck to you and your friend Big Balls Barnaby or whatever.
>>75954852
Just think: when we leave the EU we get to team up with the ozzies again. And the kiwis kind of. Canada....out of necessity I guess; we're team players.
>>75953263
Pakistani are miserable fucks from every encounter I've had
Islam sure must be a fun religion
>>75950440
Shrinking populations aren't bad but having a high average age is bad. In germany your median age is about 48, so 50% of your population is above the age of 48
If that average age keeps increasing (which it is), then how will you sustain your welfare state?
The only way to do it without imposing on peoples liberties is to invite millions of immigrants in, luckily Merkel is doing that for you
>>75948622
>1 post by this ID
>>75948622
Your logic is flawed. Well if it can be called logic.
If life expectancies is longer than logical move is to up pension age or reduce payments. Make them proportional to collected taxes with indexation in intervals of a couple of years.
What you are suggesting is importing unskilled labour in hopes that they somehow will pay enough to support your welfare.
Idiot.
They won't pay taxes at all. They will go work for less money but will take them all without paying anything to government.
And we will laugh at you. Because we already had something similar.
![[aussie].gif](https://i.imgur.com/pp5vJij.gif "[aussie].gif")
>>75950492
>>75948622
Fuck off cuck, when we leave the EU feel free to deport yourself to whatever euro-shit hole your boyfriend originally entered from the Middle East.
>>75948622
>this means there is a huge hoarding of wealth in the elderly population
what are wills
>hence only solution is to invite more immigrants
implying immigrants don't grow old and have larger families that too will grow old and require social welfare
>we have no choice
legendary cuck posting
>>75948622
>this means there is a huge hoarding of wealth in the elderly population (savings, pensions, investments), while the younger generations are perpetually stuck in low wage unsecure jobs
"Hoarding wealth" is a fallacy. Money isn't valuable unless it is spent. What do the elderly do? They have huge doctor's bills and spend money on vacations. They do not "hoard."
Saving or investing money isn't "hoarding," it is giving money to a bank or a company and creating a contract whereby they owe you payment after a certain time or with monthly interest. So the money doesn't vanish from circulation as if you hid it under your fucking bed, the opposite is the case. The bank has more money to loan to people and to itself invest in other companies.
>can't increase taxes
>can't increase welfare / socialism
Well maybe people who lived through the fucking Cold War know a little bit more about socialism than you do. And why do you want to increase welfare? What exactly does that get us? What do you "invest" in when you give money to a poor person? Oh yeah, their alcohol habit.
And immigrants themselves are the ones who are going to be on the welfare rolls because why should anyone work when the government gives them money for food, clothing, housing, healthcare, and probably fucking internet access and the BBC for doing absolutely nothing other than being brown.
And besides, western economies are post-industrial. We do not need a hundred thousand factory workers, our factories are being closed by enviromentalist hippies. Immigrants have less opportunities than the educated labor of the native population, which makes them even more likely to go on welfare or live in isolation from the rest of society, and thus more likely to resort to terrorism or other forms of extremism.
So you aren't just a race traitor, you're an economic illiterate and have no fucking idea how to actually help people in Syria, Zimbabwe, or Bongo Bongo Land.
>>75948622
>>hence only solution is to invite more immigrants with reduced labour rights
If you needed more kids you could create better incentives. You could make sure people could start families earlier, that salaries were enough to settle down in houses.
This is doable without immigration.
Immigration that doesn't fill he job quotas and pay for itself, as you suggest. Immigration instead creating a parasite class of fifth columnists that don't see themselves as part of the social construct.
Immigrants don't even pay for themselves. You're trying to fix a problem by adding another problem on top of it. Only this problem is also looking to bite the hand that feeds, causing systemic collapse of trust in government and rises in crimes like rape, which will sink your nation even faster.
Again; if you need more kids, you can create incentives for locals more easily and cheaply than importing foreigners.
>>75955954
>Again; if you need more kids, you can create incentives for locals more easily and cheaply than importing foreigners.
You don't even need to create incentives. If left alone the problem solves itself. If there's a short supply of workers then wages increase and if there's an oversupply of housing then property prices fall, both conditions will lead to native Britons having larger families.
>>75948622
>can't increase welfare
Good, you fucking pussy
>>75948622
Wow, the replies to this are fucking embarrassing. Boomers are a cancer that literally sold our country to foreigners. They are the reason we have mass migration, socialism and cultural marxism. The fact that /pol/ defends them with such blind ignorance shows how utterly demented the posters on this board really are.
1 Post by this ID
>look at the big picture we need to be taken over by muslims, blacks and shitskins because I believe we need constant growth
Kill yourself?
You chumps haven't considered the most important point...
... who is going to supply us with curry if we leave the EU? See? You are idiots. Now fuck off.
>>75957696
India will have to leave the EU as well.
>WE NEED TO BRING OVER MORE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH YOUNG PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THE OLD PEOPLE
>THE IMMIGRANTS WONT GROW OLD AND HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY EVER-MORE YOUNG PEOPLE
>NO IMMIGRANTS DONT GROW UP OR WANT PENSIONS
>THEY WILL STAY YOUNG WORKER BEES FOREVER
Bringing over immigrants to maintain a socio-economic system based on ever-increasing numbers of people is only a temporary solution to the real problem - we need a new system which controls for this
>>75948622
>bring in refugees
>refugees take your jobs
>refugees become new wealthy class
>whites die out
>refugees now need to import the latest poor people to perpetuate his retarded plans
Do you not see how dumb you are? You just killed off your own people while delaying the inevitable. Your scheme only works when there is still a class out there dumber and poorer than you are.
>only solution is to invite more immigrants
or kill the boomers
Can anyone tell me why qt polish girls immigrating is bad, but you britcucks are ok with the rampant, uncontrolled immigration from african/jamaican/commonwealth whatever tribes?
These fucks are literally 85% of the users of social welfare and are almost always unemployed.
Generally rivaling pakis in terms of crimes as well.
>>75948622
Fuck off Achmed
>>75957469
comments so far ITT seem to completely ignore age demographics, thinking offering incentives to have children will work when similar incentives have already been tried in countries such as Japan, South Korea and Sweden to no success.
Simple matter of fact is that you CAN'T force people to have children like what all these brain dead alt right crowd preach. Unless you literally want the population to be a bunch of low IQ illiterate plebs, in which case /pol/ will get its wish. Pic related.
>>75950608
SHUT IT DOWN
>>75948622
>Be an oldfag
>Mooched off the state for decades
>Live a life of luxury, well above your station, on money borrowed by the state that the state is now in danger of being unable to pay off
>Expect people to be okay with the idea of importing violent, illiterate moochers in the hopes that they will work to keep the wheels spinning at least until after you die of age and it becomes someone else's problem
How about you drop down the hole trying to kiss the Blarney Stone, you pom fuckwit
>>75948622
Are you just saying this because you don't want to go to jail?
Ah the old The Population needs to keep growing bullshit
Sure if in future the population drops from no immigrants, the number of jobs will drop, so will GDP
But it wont matter as the population will have dropped
Every country could benefit from a reduced population, the only ones against it are those who want a population of brown wage slaves
>>75949972
It doesn't work like that you fucking idiot. Jobs and skills go in and out of fashion with the every new generation. What was cool and hip to be say a farmer 200 years ago is not a preferable career path to most in the 21st century. Hence why you got a huge proportion of EU (and non-EU) immigrants working on British farms. Doesn't matter if the pay is shit. Still beats what they earn in shitholes like Poland.
Wearing blinkers thinking if we "stop immigration we'll get our jobs back" is fucking retarded. So go ahead and vote Brexit you dumb fucks.See what happens when you try to force the native population to do jobs they don't want to do. I'll give you hint. Pic related.
>>75948622
I like this bait because it assumes many things like socialism and welfarr being good
>>75948622
>immigration not a problem
Commit suicide paki filth, the amount of moeny you earn don't matter for the rest of the society so please fuck off.
>>75960278
A reduced population would be catastrophic to most firms and small business, with the greatest impact not surprisingly affecting Turnover. Declining turnover = declining profits = less incentive to innovate and invest for the future.
I used to think /pol/ was libertarian but HOLY FUCKING SHIT you people are really communists ideologically.
>>75960448
Big talk for a boomer who is supported by socialistic policies such as state pensions, free healthcare, travel and shopping discounts and free bus rides.
>>75948622
when you're trying to buy your first house, just be thankful that you're in the EU because it allows you to have a job to pay for the £10 million 2 bedroom bungalow
>>75960393
>force
And here we have the old "they do the jobs nobody wants to do" bullshit.
The same old lie they tell every nation's people. The same old lie they told us when they brought in Italians and Turks to work in our mines.
But then came a time when Italians and Turks no longer wanted to work for a pittance, and the owners had to start paying decent wages to the miners. You know what happened?
Immigration stopped, and Belgians happily went to work in the mines. Imagine that.
>>75961242
>forcing the entire populace to work in a single industry unironically pandering to communist beliefs (despite saying he doesn't)
>being actually this retarded
>>75954013
I never understood how Nigel became our version of Pajeet it's not a particularly common name, surely it should be tom or something?
>>75961438
No, you fucking nitwit, where the fuck did you read that?
I'm saying if a jobs pays well enough, people will do it. Goddamn.
>>75949126
nice
>>75948622
>only solution
>no choice
You're clinically retarded if you think that.
>>75961093
I really don't get this. Why the fuck would you buy a house you can't afford in the first place?
And if you reduced house prices, all you'll get is this (like they have it in China and India) due to no incentive in improving house quality any further.
Bet you would love to live in a shithole like pic related wouldn't you, anon?
>>75948622
If you literally advocate replacing the indigenous population with 3rd&2nd world migrants, how aren't you a race traitor?
>>75948622
luckily 99% of aussies aren't like that.
because aussie neets never leave their houses anyway, i won't hear them when i'm out.
>>75948622
his not looking anymore but i understand i argument.
>these people infest my island.
Instead of MORE people, the world needs LESS people.
We should set an example, like Japan.
A mass extinction event is happening.
More < less humans is better. We need to set an example.
>>75961558
>bring back mining jobs home and pay workers $5000 a month
>outsource mining jobs to a country where you'll only have to pay $5000 a year
Gee I wonder which country I would set up my mining business in
>>75948622
>>hence only solution is to invite more immigrants with reduced labour rights -
this does not follow. Why is this necessary? You just asserted it without cause rhyme or reason.
>>75948622
>Be brit
>surrounded by cucks
>WE NEED IMMIGANTS TO PAY ARE RETIREMENT
>They fail to realise that populations cycle, the over 65's will die eventaully and the problem will be solved for a few generations.
>>75948622
HAVE MORE CHILDREN YOU FUCKING NIGGER
You have to kill feminism
>>75949126
Aussies still the king of banter, ILY anon.
>>75948622
>Implying retirament funds are more important than a kebab cutting up your throat and raping your daughters.
Good goy britcuck.
>>75962519
>implying that planning and saving/investing for the future is "bad"
