Every great civilization is build around and sustained by religious beliefs and moral guidance they offer. Once there is no religion, it's pretty much the sign of a dying society, and im sure you understand that this is exactly what's happening in Europe. Christianity is annihilated, ideological vacuum is filled by this SJW satanic shit, people are degenerates, and it's just being replaced by Islam.
So at what age did you grow out of this childish nihilism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85D8CNVA5yg
>>75631922
Ever since muslims and liberalism started spawning out of control i realized that most of atheism "except the scientist whom we all know" was a big fat fedora fest. Most atheist are shameful little bitches that only attacks the nice and reasonable targets aka Christianity and slowly Atheist made being christian a bad thing and being Muslim (or any non-christian) a good thing and all they did was destroy the backbone of the west.
I dont think Christianity leads the west but i do see Christianity as thee backbone of the west, when you grow old you retire and use the Christian "manual" to teach your kids about the basies of the western world. Now that christanity is almost gone its a fucking slippy slope and even pedophilia is becoming a fucking norm. I never thought i'd grow out of athiesm but seeing everything that was going on i realized that my crazy ass religious grandfather was fucking right about everything.
That said, although i go to church and shit i'm more an agnostic but still
>>75631922
Around when i got married so 7ish years ago? I married a spic and just converted to her religion so im a catholic now. But like the post on top of me im more agnostic, but im definitely not atheist
>>75631922
>He needs backwords mysticism to be a moral guideline for people
Anon we have science and philosophy, we don't need space dads anymore.
>>75633019
There is not going to be any science and philosophy soon thanks to lack of religion.
>>75632667
Even the most religious fundamentalists aren't 100% convinced of an afterlife. A good portion of religion is all about moral guidance and politics. So far the retaining of the Muslims faith appears to be successful against the slow deterioration of the Christian faith in the western world, and it is obvious why.
>>75633019
>we don't need space dads anymore
how are we suppose to enter space travel and progress if fathers cant become astronauts?
>>75631922
About the time i realised that atheists are all leftists who hate the west and therefore attack christianity.
>>75633236
religion is just culture, and cultural shifts have changed in favor of stupid shit due to media influences.
There is nothing inherently protective about religion, other than it's appeal.
We know too much to establish our lives around sky deities with enigmatic purposes that amount to nothing but common sense law with a bit of old world barbarism thrown in. Instead, we need to place philosophic focus on society and it's functionality.
>>75633890
Islam is the religion being attacked more frequently by New Age atheists because most of them are Americans who think 9/11 was a global catastrophe
>>75631922
You're confusing anti-scientific bullshit with religion. Atheists think highly of some religions i.e. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, and do not call for the destruction of religion but rather the advocacy of science.
Following my logic I fail to see how India and China are examples for a dying society after living for 4,000 years on scientifically-literate religion.
Heck, even the Kikes promote science and you can see how well they are going.
>>75633890
It's what happens when the right focuses on maintaining religious importance above nationalism, let alone reason. Now all of a sudden the commies look like champions of scientific progress and understanding.
>>75633236
Atheists see the world through a naturalistic lens so they haven't yet noticed the destruction of the West that is manifest in the spiritual and moral realms. One day they'll awake to a science-less West and even then all the products of their materialism won't offer them any good explanation
>>75633966
>religion is a culture
>culture is 2000 years old and at a time ruled Europe
>culture shift
i think this is the downfall of most atheist. Just the way you wrote that, that "im right religion is culture BOOM i figured it out" it just seems like a cry out for intellectual reinforcement. No religon is not a culture, its a religon. Go fucking rewrite that thesis of yours.
>>75631922
>At what age did you grow out of atheism?
Roughly 3-4 years ago.
>>75634307
But it is culture, preserved in stories, laws and philosophy all in one neat package.
>>75634531
This seems very distinct from culture, mate.
>>75634561
Dude , your country has no culture except , burger culture.... why are you even giving your opinion about culture.
I grew out of nihilism, but Christianity is certainly not the answer. All of its forms are essentially contaminated by universalist cuckoldry.
When i was old enough to understand the concept of mind-matter gap.
As per religion, it piggybacks and encodes evolutionary sound principles that have stood the test of time, and as such reflect somehow robust underlying concepts that give some kind of advantage to its followers in term of survivability
>>75631922
> born and raised as christian
> not at all satisfied with the explanations of my catholic teachers n priests
> learn english and lurk on the internet
> 17yo
> realize that islam = christianity = judaism
> realize they are all just tools to control the masses with no proof and no overall sense
> study more about their origins and ancient religions
> get interested by Buddhism and Taoism
> makes much more sense
> real life miracles based on the power of your mind and self-training
> finally something where you don't have to just chant shit and lie to the priest about how sorry you are and BOOM you're going to heaven bro as long as you pay money to us
>>75631922
I think you mean at what age did I grow out of religion, and the answer would be around twelve years old.
I'm not some fedora euphoria atheist just because I lack belief in a religion.
>>75634634
Because I know how terms are understood, of course. Don't be silly.
>>75631922
shame on you for believing that after all the glorious years of communism
>>75634561
culture is more than food. That anon is just spewing your typical "He thinks he GETS IT" argument because his real argument is that I'm wrong because God exists and the bible is right.
He doesn't understand that his point about it establishing a more functioning order than today's media-backed hedonism is based on it's establishment as a part of culture and not because God himself strikes fear into the hearts of men and that it's just as replaceable as any other template of society.
Essentially, the goal post is that Jesus = magically non-degenerate society because TRUE RELIGION when it's simply healthy culture = non-degenerate society
>>75634731
Fuck off mario. Dawkins said hundred times that islam is much more dangerous than christianity. Also why the fuck are you caring for white race. You are as white as me.
>>75631922
19, this current year. I'm going to becoming a Roman Catholic, but from what I've been researching there's a good chance that Pope Francis could be the antipope and globalism is end times prophecy. I've been in a heretical nihilistic fever dream for too long, but I've woken up to the truth
>>75634928
My point
-------------------
Your head
>>75633982
It more likely happened like this tho;
>9/11 came
>world especially white americans in shock
>"why could islamists do this shit, killing civilians with no reason?"
>"religion is a delusion it kills people"
>sees no muslim around
>blames innocent Christians instead
New Age Atheism history in a nutshell
>>75631922
Please stop all this "satanist" stuff. There is probably something which surpasses our beliefs, but all the hell stuff, please, it sounds retarded.
I was atheist till 19-20 yo.
>>75631922
'bout a year ago. Haven't gone back since
And I used to be a full blown New Atheist
>>75631922
I'm a fedora, I just can't accept shit on faith but with that said. I recognize the need for the morals religion instills, this is some shit I've been thinking over for some time now.
On one end, I think religion can interfere with progress and be detrimental to humanity.
On the other, it keeps the lesser folks that actually believe fairy tales in line by waving a shitty afterlife over their heads.
I've considered going full ape shit and joining a Mormon church, their women have the best values instilled in them and they are adamantly anti-degeneracy.
>>75634928
>You are as white as me.
kek nice try, memes truly are real
>>75635152
No wonder. You literally joined in a heretical institution
>>75635064
SJW'ism is satanic to the core
>>75634861
>throwing the whole argument at once
I just made a small comment, man.
However I will say that (while your wording was fairly strange) your line about one order functioning better because of its "establishment as part of culture" clashes with the idea of it being just as replaceable as other templates. Something having history doesn't necessarily give it social benefits. These templates are not simply interchangeable. Some function better towards different ends than others.
>culture is more than food.
No shit.
>>75631922
NaN
>>75634861
>That anon is just spewing your typical "He thinks he GETS IT"
How is that typical faggot, iv never heard anyone say that meme ever. Stop trying to justify your gay ass argument that already got destroyed.
>>75635236
And you can't read
>>75635358
>i joined Mormons
Yes i can
>>75635270
When I say just as replaceable, I mean they can easily fall out of favor or change even if they are superior to what comes next. A common argument for christian society is that it's resistant to changes that would otherwise destroy it's integrity.
This is a lie, just look at the current pope, Catholicism is now cucked.
>>75635339
It's literally a "You think you're so smart well FUCK YOU ur not" argument.
>>75635420
*considered joining
>>75631922
18.
Had dark time in my life. A lot of pain. Instead of suicide, started to pray, etc.
Feel S. Goodmen.
>>75635420
>>75635474
What did it feel like, correcting yourself
Stupid nigger
>>75631922
there's more to learn from spirituality and religion when you're not threatened by it
similar to politics, actually
the only reason people seek to disqualify or deny your ideas is because they don't understand them and they blame that on you, because they're terrified of it
I don't subscribe to a certain worldview but I'm definitely open to learning about all of them
I was 17 when I started exploring these ideas
I'm 24 now
I'd like to think I'm better off for it
literally how autistic do you have to be to say to yourself "hurr im 24 now im too old for these degenerate atheists, gotta go man up and spontaneously start to believe in god"
i cant even
>>75635598
fucking hell all these baits
i was never a christian but i wish i was, you can't really just start believing
Christcuck, get out
>>75635472
Jesus fuck not it wasn't, religion is not culture and he gave a good reason why with the 2000 years line and the religion is religion line. He was insulting you for carrying out that analysis as factional when it wasn't.
>>75635426
The current pope is literally within the bound of Catholic doctrine and teaching. But so are many nationalists as well. There is wiggle room in how the same core teachings can be applied in society.
Now I'd agree with you can people can misuse doctrine based on poor understanding of facts or of doctrine and it can lead towards bad ends but that there is a common thread that everyone works around can only cause greater unity and if there is no shift in those core values but rather the expressions of those values you have a much more resistant society in the face of change.
>>75635748
That wasn't a good line, that was him half-way referring to the church and half-way referring to the culture and claiming that its age has any baring on whether or not it's a culture.
>>75631922
All I want is less Muslims.
>>75635339
Have you ever heard of Super String theory?
Check this shit out.
This is why you see people freaking out about CERN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C1cpG6TLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtdE662eY_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcN2i9GKsFQ
Check the theories put out in these videos.
All of them are true.
You're going to find it harder and harder to simply be agnostic as you go deeper down the rabbit hole.
You will also discover that some of the most renowned people knew about God.
Isaac Newton invented calculus, proved the laws of motion and that color comes through light.
and also calculated the Book of Daniel.
>>75635876
Euro/pol/ quote of 2016
>>75631922
>realize Christians have no proof for god
>realize there are thousands of reasons for people to create religions
>realize correlation between being atheist and being degenerate
So you are scared of becoming a degenerate piece of shit. But thinking """" I know god doesn't exist, but I'm going to believe just to not be degenerate""""" is probably a reason to see a psychiatrist.
>Once there is no religion - death of society
Don't know about that? Any examples for a civilisation turning atheist and getting fucked (except for the current one)
I think that the reason for the SJW degenerate shit is that people are stupid and don't care much about the hows and whys of what's happening around them. Stupid people with good are very bad for society.
>>75633236
i believe you are right. most of the people are still incompetent to understand rational points of science and philosophy and need rather irrational guidance of religion. problem with religion is it's been always corrupted and used for vile political agenda.
on the topic of afterlife. it' something that certainly brings lot of sense to meaning of life. very few people know that reincarnation was a building stone of christianity and was removed by force during reign of emperor Justinian II. who was a mere puppet of his second wife - Theodora of Khazaria.
Anyway i consider christianity to be too much tainted to be reformed and taken seriously again, so that's why i'm still an atheist.
>>75631922
I started to grow out of it when I was around 16, but then it was just me rebelling against the abundance of protestants at school, as I'm a Catholic by birth. Slowly it turned from. a meme into a real understanding of the role of religion in Western society and the disasters of socialism, multiculturalism, islamisation and immigration only exacerbated this process. Atheism leaves a hole in the Western culture and morality which is not at all filled with what it provides. Also, it is based on a vile and false dichotomy between "science and rationality" and "irrational religion", to the point where historical falsification is used to appropriate religious men like Newton and the work of religious men like the Big Bang theory and hereditary science for the side of the atheists.
Conflicted desu.
I believe there is higher forms of life out there, something well beyond our ken.
I don't follow any organised religion though, I just hold my own personal beliefs and set of morals.
I also value the scientific process and critical thinking though.
Could someone explain whether it would be beneficial to me to start following a religion?
As I see it, I have the best of both worlds.
Edgy comment
>>75636125
How are we supposed to have unity if we all have our own little personal beliefs?
Hell, how are we supposed to keep this flag if no one shares much of anything in common?
This thread is confusing.
There are two different questions to be asked:
1) Is one a true believer? (The very existence of something divine, Jesus Christ as a God and stuff);
2) Does one support a christian ideology as a set of morals?
Two essentially different questions.
>>75635922
kek, i noticed the spiral shit my entire life and i didn't realize it was the fibonacci sequence, i thought it was just a weird thing i notice.
>>75636492
Virtually every pagan nowadays is a LARP-ing fag
If everyone intersted in religion would at least join in the practices (your second question) they'd eventually get to the first
another problem with christianity is that it is based on ideology about virtues that got twisted enough to lead people astray far from the original intention.
It's riddled with filthy pagan idols, rituals and bullshit beliefs.
Example: "Jesus" - jewish son of carpenter who had some revelation, denounced judaism and rebelled against status quo, kicked a lot of jewish asses, did something what people of that time considered to be miracles, put his life on line to prove point about his teachings.
>>75636634
There is truly an order to the universe.
All you have to ask is, who created it?
The answers actually do exist in historical contexts, theological contexts, in nature, science and mathematics.
Pic related is the Tree of Life which was invented by Solomon the Wise from the Bible.
The chart he created directly corresponds with the Chakras.
He created these theories after he fell away from God and wanted to summon demons.
>>75636125
Religion is an umbrella term for a lot of types of systems with different purposes. Generally religion can be best understood as a "established way of life based on a metaphysical worldview". The way the way of life is formalized for teaching, how detailed the worldview or the way of life is, and its overall purpose differs between religions.
For Christianity, since we're speaking about it, Apostolic Christianity and early Christianity deals with an essentialist view of the universe. It's meant to show you the way towards fulfillment. While Christianity doesn't doubt nor work against the fulfillment of other things, it's goal is the fulfillment of human life and, through it, preparation for a promised afterlife.
Under this view, following that religion would be the most beneficial thing for you.
>>75636726
Twisted satanic version of the story christians actually believe: typical pagan mythology mixed into - godlike creature impregnated common woman who is now worshipped as goddess like Isis etc. and their son became warlock preaching submission and his biggest trick providing evidence of afterlife is interpreted as a SACRIFICE for believers sins.
and christians are wondering why people don't jump on their train. catholics even have a JESUIT as a pope, member of order undermining natural evolution through centuries. how can you not see that you are luciferian puppets?
>>75636634
Oh also, with the FIbonacci number.
Don't forget that those hebrew words used for the math were accurate.
Garden of Eden divided by Tree of Knowledge = The Pattern of the Universe.
>>75631922
Never lost my religion it just keeps getting stronger since i came to UK
>>75637556
go away ahmed
>>75636846
Da'at knowledge doe.
>>75631922
Atheism is alright. Anti-theism is retarded.
>>75631922
I'd say pretty late, in my 30s.
Up to that I was viciously antireligion and antichristian, fully devoted to my scientific dogmatism.
Luckily, God was patient and merciful with me, and He eventually helped me open my eyes and realize a life in full.
Nothing had more positive or profound effect on my life. My scientific endeavors became joyful and addictive, as with every single thing I learned I was learning a tiny bit about the magnificent Creator and His will.
>>75635667
You dont belief in the power of god that he heals people ?
>>75637894
As Pasteur eloquently put it "A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to Him.""
Good to hear brother.
>all these burgers who think that christians are the most beautiful and smart people in the world
come and live your whole life in the most religious country in europe where mental retards praise a piece of toast or a stain because it looks like jesus
religion is a tool to control mouthbreathers and nothing more
>>75638045
*înclină pălăria*
>>75637894
So you start believing in god and how does that change anything? I mean your work. That last sentence you wrote sounds retarded as fuck.
>>75637995
Theres more scientist of old with similiar quotes
>>75639368
and offcourse
>>75639576
yes but these guys are talking about source of the creation and us being one and coming from that source. not about retarded worshipping of father figure.
>>75639576
>>75639368
>>75637995
Yeah we all know about this phenomenon. Many scientists from history says God did something then not too long afterwards someone continues their work and finds out it wasn't God all along?
How far must you be pushed back? God did not create us, we evolved. God didn't create the solar system. God didn't create the stars in the sky. God wasn't even there at all until before the big bang now.
So the fuck godfags? Are you retarded? How many times do you have to take away from God's all mightyness and the "truth" of his book before you admit its all just horseshit made up by some looney fucks in the desert 2 thousand years ago?
>>75639834
I dont know heisenberg believed in a father figure, the only one i know of where you are talking about is einstein. His ideas of a personal god with a hell and heaven was childish
Heisenberg was raised and lived as a Lutheran Christian, publishing and giving several talks reconciling science with his faith
>>75640140
>Yeah we all know about this phenomenon. Many scientists from history says God did something then not too long afterwards someone continues their work and finds out it wasn't God all along?
>>75640140
I dont know i am not a scientist
