Redpill me on Obamacare, /pol/. Why is it hated so much?
Redpill me on fort posts. Are they the best posts?
>>75248112
It's fascism. America had a problem with it's poor not being able to afford healthcare. The solution they came up with is to fine them if they don't buy it anyway. Unconstitutional, but the SC was cool with it because they pretended it was a tax. Otherwise he just extended existing benefits to more people.
Well, there are a lot of reasons, but the biggest one is that it unconstitutionally forces you to enter a contract under threat of fine or even potentially incarceration.
No where else can the government compel this. They can't say "subscribe to Norton or we'll fine you!" They can't even force you to buy auto insurance - all they can do is fine you if they catch you driving without it.
But health insurance? They can punish you for simply existing without it. Are you alive and breathing air? Well then, sign this contract or face federal wrath.
That is blatantly unconstitutional.
Problem is our Chief Justice, John Roberts, is secretly gay and was blackmailed into changing his vote. He was originally set to strike down the law and have even prepared his ruling and spoken to the other Justices about it. Then, out of no where, he changes his mind.
Who did the blackmailing? Hard to say for sure. Lots of people had a lot at stake. Could have been Obama's Chicago thugs. Could have been financial interests of the insurance companies who stood to benefit from a law that forced every American to purchase their services. Could have been the NSA because of the centralized record keeping that is part of Obamacare.
>>75248112
He also made it mandatory that insurance companies accept all these people as well. People get pissed that their insurance companies are taking on sick people for them to pay for.
>>75248112
It forces everyone to buy health insurance. It also forces health insurance companies to accept everyone, but they can charge whatever they want. If obamacare was anything but a huge handout to the insurance companies then they would have fought tooth and nail to stop it from becoming law.
>>75249283
Holy shit muricans are such faggots. In my cunt the government just implemented it and at least we had to decency to say we didn't like it because he wanted that money. Not make up this moral BS about slavery.
I bet everybody here who is between 18 and 26 loves that they can still be on their parents plan though.
reminder that obamacare was literally romneycare with obama's name on it
>>75250204
You're cunt has a government? It enacted Obamacare in there?
>>75250462
reminder that neocons are liberals in the skies.
>>75250408
Are you kidding? The losers here want to be on their parent's plan until they're 95.
>>75250567
there's nothing wrong with obamacare that isn't caused my their states fucking it up
bunch of red states dragged their heels as much as possible and fucked all their citizens over just to make it look worse
and I say this as someone registered as republican
obamacare is completely identical to netherland's healthcare system which is regularly ranked the #1 yuro healthcare system
>>75250657
>my their states fucking it up
by their*
>>75248112
Fucking shills dumping Obamacare threads suddenly.
>>75250530
Of course it has a government. It's a mandatory tax for a health savings account to pay for bills, and we have another tax for insurance
It's a giant wealth transfer scheme.
It disproportionately targets healthy, white, young males and rewards the most pathetic members of society. That's why people hate it.
>>75250764
on the other hand, it gets insane people locked up and niggers abortions
Because my annual deductible is $7k.
I know Healthcare costs are outrageous, but this is ridiculous.
>>75250725
A huge difference is that singapore isn't a country of 300 million with 10% of those medically disabled and 33% medically obese
Just Fuck My Healthcare System Up Senpai
>>75249199
Individual mandate is the only way to get the coverage for preexisting conditions. And coverage for people with preexisting conditions is a big deal
>my monthly insurance bill I creases by $100
>haha guys Obama fixed it if you don't like your a racist
T-thanks...
>>75250890
... and now I, as a healthy, young, /fit/, strong male, am stuck subsidizing genetic failures and fat pieces of shit.
I've paid over $4k last year for health insurance I don't have to use because I'm not a fat piece of human garbage. Thanks, you fat FUCKS.
>>75248112
If you get sick you get to go stay at the white house free of charge, it's great.
>>75251015
you were already subsidizing them through uninsured emergency room fees you dumbass
>>75250801
Any sort of degeneracy its been responsible for eliminating has been is minuscule in comparison to the degeneracy it's created. This sorts of forcible wealth transfer schemes give provide women a secure platform on which to push their socialist agenda. Without these giant government subsidies, wives would have to rely on husbands to provide them healthcare, which would make them beholden to the interests of men.
Obamacare was the foot in the door. Ever since it was enacted, the cancer of Progressivism has accelerated at an unprecedented rate.
>>75251124
Now I get to subsidize them for an extra $70 per month you fucking retard faggot
>>75248112
Problem is it quadroopled premiums and copay
>>75249283
>mfw Obama loving libs in my country think Obamacare means everyone gets healthcare free of charge
>>75251124
> uninsured emergency room fees
... which still exist, you fucking retard.
Now every healthcare policy includes shit that nobody needs, and insurance companies can't refuse the sick-- leading to massively inflated prices that the working man (i.e. healthy, young, white males) has to pay. It's all one giant wealth transfer scheme.
>>75250657
>obamacare is completely identical to netherland's healthcare system
Can Americans choose not to get healthcare insurance because their religion prohibits it? If not, it's not identical.
>>75248112
It's a tax, plain and simple.
>before ACA, insurance cost me ~$200/month
>now costs more than double
>deductibles up 1,000% or more
>fines for every month I don't have insurance
The good thing is it's creating somewhat of a free market for medical care. People are ditching insurance altogether, so doctors are having to deal directly with patients rather than insurance agencies (and compete).
>>75251436
Then pay the $100 fine and move on with your uninsured life you moron.
>>75252040
>$100 fine
confirmed high school faggot who lives with parents, still insured under parents' insurance, never had a job so never had to file taxes
get out you underaged faggot
>>75248112
Obamacare was written by the big insurance companies in order to use governmental force (fees and taxes) to push people into an unwanted and artificial market place.
If an individual does not have emplyer based health coverage, then government tells the individual that they have to purchase a plan under these X approved plans by government from the X approved vendors by government. Failure to purchase a plan results in fees (taxes) levied against your pay. If your employer base insurance laspes, then the government will then force you into the market place.
Is the law constitutional? NO. The argument in font of the Supreme Court by the States was the wrong argument. They argued over the "fee" being unconstitutional. The Supreme Court ruled that the "fee" was a tax and taxes are levied by Congress. So the "fee" IS constitutional. However, the law as a whole creates a market place and creates a new market, an artificial market. This is what should have been argued. The creation of an artificial market by government IS unconstitutional.
But, as Thomas Paine once said, "A law not repealed continues in force, not because it cannot be repealed, but because it is not repealed; and the non-repealing passes for consent." The people as a whole, they will become complacent as they always do and we the people will be forced to continue to pay higher taxes and will be forced into the market place because complacency will equal consent and government stooge will never release their cash cow.
Look at who wrote the law, people like Elizabeth Fowler, and where she came from.
>>75252040
> $100 fine
You've... never had a job, have you?
It's a tax, period. See the Supreme Court's decision.
Thank you fat fucks, genetic failures, and poor criminals (read: nogs and beans)
>>75252332
Get off your high horse, nobody in the government about the constitutionality of anything. Christ, the government literally a monopoly of force. They can do whatever they want by definition. All we can do it hope to god they spend themselves to death. Even the government eventually runs out of money.
>>75248112
Largely because nobody likes to know that bureaucrats get to decide who lives and dies.
Because it's absolutely shit.
>Feb. of this year.
>Start having severe stomach issues.
>Call my families doctor to schedule an appointment.
>They won't see me because I don't have insurance.
>Find a good doctor that will take out of pocket payment.
>Problem, appointment isn't until April.
>End up getting the flu real bad in March, have to goto the hospital.
>Go on until the end of April with agonizing pain.
>See doctor, ask about insurance while I'm there.
>Insurance lady says I can't sign up for insurance because it's "not open for enrollment".
>Keep digging around for insurance, even look into medacaid, but don't qualify because you have to make $11,000 maximum and file taxes, two things I don't do.
Still in pain, still paying for things out of pocket, and still furious at the state of our current medical system when it used to be a week max to see a doctor, even if they'd never seen you before. I had my insurance cancelled because of this shit.
>>75248112
Obamacare is actually Romneycare and was invented by the conservative Heritage Foundation.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Robert-Reich/2013/1028/The-irony-of-Republican-disapproval-of-Obamacare
For as many years Democrats tried to graft healthcare onto Social Security and Medicare, and pay for it through the payroll tax. But Republicans countered that any system must be based on private insurance and paid for with a combination of subsidies for low-income purchasers and a requirement that the younger and healthier sign up.
Not surprisingly, private health insurers cheered on the Republicans while doing whatever they could to block Democrats from creating a public insurance system.
In February 1974, Republican President Richard Nixon proposed, in essence, today’s Affordable Care Act. Under Nixon’s plan all but the smallest employers would provide insurance to their workers or pay a penalty, an expanded Medicaid-type program would insure the poor, and subsidies would be provided to low-income individuals and small employers. Sound familiar?
Private insurers were delighted with the Nixon plan but Democrats preferred a system based on Social Security and Medicare, and the two sides failed to agree.
Thirty years later a Republican governor, Mitt Romney, made Nixon’s plan the law in Massachusetts. Private insurers couldn’t have been happier although many Democrats in the state had hoped for a public system.
In 1989, Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation came up with a plan that would “mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance.”
Insurance companies loved Butler’s plan so much it found its way into several bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993. Among the supporters were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa (who now oppose the mandate under the Affordable Care Act). Newt Gingrich, who became Speaker of the House in 1995, was also a big proponent.
>>75248112
kike shills brainwash people into hating it.
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