The European Union could be a great thing.
It doesn't have to be globalist, it could've become something great. Open borders between countries in the EU is something beneficial, trading is beneficial. This is not globalism, obviously. Nations would still be nations, their people would still believe in nationalism.
Just think about it, if we get rid of all the rapefuges, isolate them (in geographical terms), get rid of leftism and let nations do their thing but by cooperating with each other it could be something very nice and beneficial for all. No wars either (imperialists are anti-white and killers).
Of course germany would have to be weakened first.
>>75075796
This is exactly what it has been marketed as
>could be
but it's not
>>75075796
The EUs goal:
One world authoritarian government, centralized power and a population of mindless drones that do what they are told.
To accomplish this nationalism must be destroyed, and to do that identity, homogeneity, culture, and individuality must be destroyed.
Breaking down these barriers is the reason for migration of alien cultures into Europe and N. America.
Destruction of the family unit, and reliance on the state for protection are the reasons for promoting sexual degeneracy.
Muslims clashing with whites is the perfect reason to impose a police surveillance state and restrict freedoms.
Any questions?
>>75076358
did you read the post you fag
leftism will fall and the right will rise at some point
we can fix the EU without their globalist jewish bullshit
It will never be a good thing, it's run by marxist humanists. Always will be
>>75076006
BREXIT GENERAL
>>75076006
>>75076501
>leftism will fall
>we can fix the EU
that's bs and you know it. There's no salvaging the EU in it's current state. It would be better to tear it down and rebuild it
>>75076501
No. It won't.
I need that picture with the kid with the EU shirt saying every time he murders a nation he gets an extra star.
>>75076501
But the EU is about globalist jewish bullshit at its core. Look up this man: >>75075940
People who want European integration want to ultimately see nation states gone. They want power and money at the expense of European people. Nothing else matters to them, and they don't care if their actions mean destruction of unique cultures and heritage.
still prefer sucking european's cock than US's, Russian, Cinese, Jewish or Indian cock.
Because that's what awaits us if we tear down the EU.
In the past we were (and we still are) slaves of other superpowers.
The European Union makes no sense, we need smaller areal unions with cultural relation
Germanic union - Germany,Britain,Netherlands,Belgium,Austria
Greco/Latin union - Italy,Greece,Spain,Portugal and France
Nordic union - Finland,Sweden,Denmark and Norway
Eastern union - Poland,Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary
Balkanic union - Slovenia,Croatia,Romania,Bulgaria
Remember I am not taliking about real unions as in empires, just deeper cultural and economical relations just like V4 does
>>75078054
>only slovenia croatia romania and bulgaria are in the balkans
ok
>>75078256
Well, Serbia or Bosnia are not in the current European Union but of course they can join them
EU could've worked if it remained with big Western Europe countries. Inviting former soviet states was the beginning of the end
>>75076501
Can you guys even vote for who leads the EU yet?
>>75078026
We don't need to suck any cock. We can have a trade union without having a political union. That's the problem of the EU
>>75075796
greek bro is right, we were this close to a Nova Roma. 1 unified Europe but then globalists ruined everything
>>75075796
>Open borders between countries in the EU is something beneficial
>Open Borders with Romania and Hungary
>Benefitial
Enjoy the gyppo invasion.
Centralization makes countries weak. Looked what happened to China when it unified,they just isolated and little advanced was done by them,while the small European countries competed against each other to the point of controlling the world.
Competition=best way of advancement
Prove me wrong. Protip you cant.
>>75078507
we have sucked and will ever suck cock.
as small economies (in the near future) that's our destiny.
no country alone can compete on the global market (maybe just germany, but not in the long run).
it's cannot be just an economic union, without a unique decisional power.
otherwise we'll get shat on anytime by anyone.
hope you're fine with this.
>>75078957
sure, a tiny amount of competition is beneficial, but too much competition is gonna ruin everything and make the big players win.
see modern (pre-1850s) italy and germany.
>>75079037
>as small economies
as opposed to what big economies? We are the 7th world economy dude.
Why can't it be just an market union? The EU countries represent the single biggest market in the world, even bigger than the US.
>>75079037
>no country alone can compete on the global market
>Literally the wealthiest countries in Europe are the size of coin
That is garbage bro. Political and economic competition,makes healthier economies. We just need to stick to military alliances like NATO and we would be good. No need for a huge burocratic mess to be relevant
>>75075796
Yes. That is what europe was supposed to be.
But look at it now. It's not about trade it is about control of its member states.
>>75079312
>>75079360
that's the situation now. in 10-20-30 years europe will basically be a wasteland.
no cheap labour, no militar power, no relevant energy sources, no natural resources.
just a fucking lot of know how that chinese, indians, brazilians and so on will get from us in a couple of generations.
and they will have a fuckton of resources to back it up and rape us into oblivion.
>>75075796
PAY DENBTS
>>75079161
>sure, a tiny amount of competition is beneficial, but too much competition is gonna ruin everything and make the big players win.
>see modern (pre-1850s) italy and germany.
Pre unification Italy was quite wealthy,and the birthplace of modern capitalism. It was bullied,because it didnt formed a confederation,but that is mainly the pope's fault. Countries like Spain or Britain with tiny populations achived more than a huge ass country with a huge population like China,thanks to competition. Without competition countries grow lazy and end up dying,see Rome,when they ended all their competition a glorious empire became decadent.
>>75075796
No. Fuck you and fuck Europe.
>>75075796
Poland will create a new, catholic European Union, as it should be
Ireland, France, Spain, Italy and Portugal will help us
>>75079610
That is dumb. We still have the most educated population in the whole world. Countries with no resources like Switzerland or South Korea are competitive as fuck,and they dont have precisly low wages. If we allow capitalism to do its thing we would be fine.
>>75079610
and the EU will change this how exactly?
Also you talk about natural resources and cheap labour. We are post industrial economies, most of our products are services, not physical goods
>>75079679
they achieved that because they were power (for many centuries but tha's no more the case) in a time where the playing field was basically europe and all the other players were mostly retarded stone age level.
now the playing field is much wider and you're (we're) irrelevant as we can be.
>>75075796
>The European Union could be a great thing.
But it isn't and that means it needs to be ditched.
>>75076358
>centralized power and a population of mindless drones that do what they are told.
Sounds pretty much like Russia to me lol.
Remember that you have the biggest muslim population of Europe, Ivan.
>>75079910
>>75079955
Mostly we can't change anything. If we can try to do something, is to move as a unique entity to prevent being bullied by others.
Small countries like those will soon get less and less important. In the event of a world war or anything like that, nobody cares about smartphones or banks.
>>75079981
>China
>India
>Small players
Kek. Then can you explain me how Switzerland can be doing well if it is tiny and decentralized?
>>75080201
>Mostly we can't change anything. If we can try to do something, is to move as a unique entity to prevent being bullied by others.
>Small countries like those will soon get less and less important. In the event of a world war or anything like that, nobody cares about smartphones or banks.
You know what alliances are? You can still act as a unite without losing sovereignity. We dont need the EU. It has been a failure on all levels,and Europe did its best when it competed against each other.
>>75080441
was referring to you and britain, you paella-eting cunt.
>>75080601
sure, when half of it was chocking full of american bases and basically us buffer zone and the rest was russia's designated shitting area. we were sure better off.
>>75075796
The Titanic could have been a great ship if-
>>75080601
Eh?
You apparently don't know anything how working as a unite went without losing any sovereignty.
For example, it took 18 fucking years to pass one directive relating to architects which was beneficial to all.
>Europe did its best when it competed against each other
Wrong. Totally wrong.
You do understand that the competition is now harder than ever? So don't argue by referring to competition whilst wanting less competition and protectionism.
>>75080201
>If we can try to do something, is to move as a unique entity to prevent being bullied by others.
What do you mean by "bullied"? Economically?
European countries are still the largest economies of the world by far. A common market will make us very difficult to bully from that point of view.
>In the event of a world war or anything like that
We would still have NATO which is the biggest military alliance in existance
>>75080775
That happened because 2 WWs killed our militaries and navies. Now if we just invested more in defence,we wouldnt need the US at all
How about we keep the borders closed and countries cooperate anyway you piece of fucking statist shit
>>75079774
>>75075796
Translation:
>let us keep sponging off productive nations because we're too cucked to generate wealth of any kind.
Nice try greekfag, bet you didn't know I speak denbt.
>>75081125
and that would be a great idea.
united we stand, divided we fall EUROBROS.
>>75081040
>Wrong. Totally wrong.
>You do understand that the competition is now harder than ever?
>So don't argue by referring to competition whilst wanting less competition and protectionism.
When did I asked for this? Europe succeded were China failed due to competition. It is quite simple. The Roman empire became a failed state. The countries that are growing the most are Precisly small countries like Ireland,and the most competitve economies are doing fine,while the protectionist model is failing in the south of Europe and France.
>>75081523
But you dont need a union to do that. You just need alliances like Nato. You dont need to be inited to act as a block.
>>75078054
Why is greece there?
>>75075796
The main fundamental error of this thread, is in thinking that "globalism" is something bad in the first place.
Tribalist monkeys.
>>75081581
>The Roman empire became a failed state
>he litrally uses the Roman empire as an example of some FAILED Southern European union
It lasted for goddamn 2000 years lad, what the hell do you consider as a failure ?
>>75075796
pay debts
>>75081696
Because they took a big part in forming the Latin identity ? Also because they represent Southern Europe pretty good in terms of cultural concept (together with Italy)
>>75075796
>Open borders between countries in the EU is something beneficial
If you put reasonable measures to stop migration into welfare systems into place, it might even work (not with a common currency though).
>>75075796
What you want is something that isn't the EU.
The EU is horrible, there's no changing it.
A different union with a different goal could be great, but the EU will always be the EU, and it needs to go. We have tried to change it ever since it was conceived, at what point will people stop being so naive to it's intentions?
Especially lately when it's even fighting elected governments with internal sanctions.
It can't be changed
>pay denbts
>leave EU
>be happy and free
>>75082036
why don't you change your fucking degenerate shit-tier welfare systems, in which any nig nog living 3 days in germany deserves money without moving a fucking finger.
>>75075796
It's what it was supposed to be. But they went for unique money instead of common money. They also implemented that experimentally while thinking "heh, it'll force us to work towards a better integration". It didn't happen.
Fuck this shit. FN 2017 and gas the EU and their minions.
>small countries cant survive meme
>small countries literally colonized the entire world
>USA and Canada are the only two large countries that arent complete shitholes
>Japan is small and the only non-shithole in Asia
>Europe went to shit once it started turning into one big country
>>75081581
You said that Europe was doing better when countries competed against each other. Then you said that EU has failed at all levels whilst the fact is that it is the EU that forced the countries to compete more and thus become stronger.
Not that I like this new social Europe charity-bullshit but the economic aspect of the Union was pretty much a life saver for Europe. Without losing part of sovereignty, countries would never allow more competition to happen due to domestic kikes who want to have their monopolies.
Working as a union without losing any sovereignty is absurd. You either choose full sovereignty or more competitive economy.
>>75081763
It started to fail when there was no competition. The military became decadent,the coin becane weak,the population deurbanized,low birth rates,high unemployment and high taxes and lots of people lived from giverment handouts. Does this sound a ring? Whem the Roman Empire stopped fighting others and expanding it became stagnant and decadent
>>75082513
You dont need the EU for that. Look at none EU countries they are vompetitive as fuck,unless some exceptions. The EU also closes lots of trade oportunities through tariffs. For example Germany has been sabotaging all the trade deals agreememts with Japan because they are scared of being gang raped in the car sector by Japanese competition. We are isolating our economies from the fastest growing markets,through the EU.
>>75075796
>sovereignty is ebil...mmmk?
>>75078373
Too late to kick them out I assume?
>being greek
>wanting to weak germany
What kind of meme is this?
The EU is currently the biggest threat to our continent. A bunch of sandniggers are a fucking minor inconvenience compared to the damage the EU will do to us if we don't destroy it.
If we fail to blow it up in the coming years, where we anti-EU people are strong, we will be stuck in this hellhole for decades to come. Megalomaniacs like Juncker will dictate everything you do, they will strangle our economies, they will destroy what's left of our identities and ways of life. Ultimately economic collapse, a result from stringent protectionism and widespread systemic corruption, will set in and things will fall apart. And when it finally does pop, we will be in a similar situation where Russia is now. A derelict shithole in a permanent cycle of decline with no way out.
It will take generations upon generations to recover.
>>75083186
They never will be.
The EU is only interested in gaining more of them, turkey being the latest.
Turkey is far poorer and far more politically backward than even the most reactionary, poor eastern European nation.
It's a huge step in the wrong direction, and our benevolent European overlords are trying to give them entry within the month.
There's no way to "kick out" a member, and if the EU doesn't like a country (ie poland), they'll just try to suppress diplomacy and economically punish them for voting the wrong way
The EU can't be stopped, you can only stay for the ride, or leave. It will only stop when everybody leaves or it collapses.
It would be great if we sticked to the original countries, 12 is enough.
Now we're hauling in piss poor slav countries and even fucking Turkey.
Also the complete disrespect for the populations wishes turns it into a big fascist state rather than a strong economic union
>>75084126
>turns it into a big fascist state rather than a strong economic union
Isnt that what most of pol wants? A big white fascist state?
>>75084614
Nationalist fascism tho
