Hi /pol. Redpill me on nuclear bombs, of any kind. Should we push for nuclear disarmament or should countries maintain a capable/deadly nuclear deterrence? Also, should we put one in the black box thing in mecca?
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>>74729870
nuking mecca would start such a crazy uprising..
hoonestly, that would be the craziest think in human kind, regardless of it being muslim or not, the area has intense meaning to people
would muslims even continue to face mecca after the nuke?
i honestly have no idea, but i am sure of the fact christians around he world would be unsafe. thank god i live in america where muslims essentially do not exist, but you, bong?
youd be totlly fucked by muhammed al khalifa bin o'keefe
>>74729870
>should countries maintain a capable/deadly nuclear deterrence?
Yes, absolutely
Nuclear weapons saved millions of lives, prevented ww3, prevented soviet occupation of western Europe. As long as they are held by rational actors, and as long as they are guaranteed lethal, nukes are great
People who want to disarm are just cowards, who would rather send millions of men to die at the front than have a missile in a submarine somewhere scare their enemies away
Also with regard to Mecca, nuking the droid control ship only works in star wars
>nuclear disarmament
absolutely not
I wouldn't care. REFUGEES WELCOME
why can't we nuke mars or the moon
That's true, I never thought about it like that. It has prevented world war three. Hahaha, I liked what you said about the droid control ship. You're funny guy
>>74730099
>facing meca
>>74730366
Why would we?
There were American and Soviet plans to nuke the moon as a propaganda exercise at one stage
>>74730099
They faced east before mekka even existed.
And if they go ferral after a nuke, let them!
Makes it easier to remove them.
>read that pasta fo a red pill on mekka
>>74730366
>nuke mars
Expensive. Not visible.
>or the moon
They considered it as a display of America's might that the whole world could see.
>>74729870
>implying western countries even have the guts to touch the BLACK BOX
Imagine a 1000000x increase in terrorism over night. Well at least idiots like you would probably die in the backlash so it's not all bad
>>74730431
i just think america should nuke the moon on the fourth of july
the reason areas follows:
we can
it would be cool
god bless america
Nukes prevent big countries fighting each-other directly, the cold war would've got hot in a hurry if both sides didn't have massive nuclear arsenals pointed at each-other.
However, countries like North Korea shouldn't have them as they lead by crazy people, i do think we will see a terrorist nuke in this century. Kinda amazes me it has yet to happen.
Nuking mecca would be fucking hilarious.
>>74730463
You were cooler when you were part of Rhodesia.
>>74729870
>>74729870
The cat's out of the bag now so we need to maintain a nuclear arsenal just to make sure they never get used again. Mutually assured destruction.
>>74730099
The destruction of Mecca would create a conflict in the Muslim mind because the Quran teaches that the Kaaba is protected. They would be caught between rage at the white kuffar and knowing that their religion has been proved wrong, which would make them pour out into the streets into a banzai. Every bit of their combined brown inferiority complex unleashed in one day.
Western governments would be forced to genocide them all, nuclearly.
>>74729870
Nukes are like pandoras box. Now that everyone knows they exist you have to have them so nobody drops them on you.
We can't just go back on that shit, and make every disarm their nukes. It would only be a matter of time before some crazy fuck dictator gets a hold of one, and decides to hold the world hostage.
It's the same idea with guns.
We shouldn't have opened pandoras box, but we did, and now we have to deal with it.
>>74729870
WHAT'S IN THE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOX
>>74730444
cool pasta, i didnt know that
>>74730463
spotted the american abroad.. why are you there?
>>74730652
No, it does not.
The Quran does not even mention the Kaaba.
Again:
The.
Quran.
Does.
Not.
Mention.
The cube.
see >>74730589
>>74730444
WHAT'S IN THE FUCKING BOX
>>74730256
I concur.
>>74730652
>knowing their religion is proved wrong
>implying delusional people can have their delusions dispelled by contrary evidence
It's complicated, but we're probably better off with everyone having them.
An even more important and almost entirely overlooked issue is preparing for what comes after them, having policy for this sort of thing in the future, because we will develop incredible weapons in the coming decades that will mostly likely make nukes irrelevant as a threat
>>74730740
>>74730867
stacked candy-assgots
>>74730867
Originally just water.
It was built as a well. You can see medieval wells like that all over southern arabia.
see >>74730444
>>74730256
>mfw USAF whites
This makes me wonder, if the world collapsed not my nuclear war but just kind of fell a part and people were just wondering the ruins and shit, what would happen to the current nukes left un attended too? Would they deteriorate and let out fallout all over the planet? Would they just become useless and nothing would happen?
Basically what I'm thinking is at this point in time nuclear holocaust seems to be the most possible way we will go out no matter what just for the fact nukes exist on the planet.
>>74729870
Ukraine gave up its nukes and got cucked by Russia.
Once you have nukes, never give them up, but MAKE SURE you don't lose control of them to the oligarchy.
>>74730256
LeMay was so based
>knew he was a war criminal and didnt give two shits
He saw through all the bullshit and he knew what war really was
>>74729870
we need them to nuke underground alien bases, i'm serious
>>74730986
>better off with a nuclear central america
>>74731107
>he knew what war really was
Blood, fire, death and 70 years later anime.
>>74731107
So did Harris.
>>74731097
The nukes will deteriorate, because they need constant expensive maintenance. There won't be much fallout, though, because the nukes are held in storage, under the ground, and radioactive contamination won't find its way into the atmosphere. It's possible to contaminate the water table, though.
>>74731097
The warheads undergo radioactive decay over time and become useless, which is why they periodically have to be replaced if you want to maintain a nuclear deterrent
>>74731182
True
>>74730460
Come back when you nuke pakistan
>>74731182
He was pulled over once on base late at night and the MP told him something along the lines of, "At the speed you're going you could get someone killed." And h responded, "I kill people for a living." And drove off.
>>74731198
>>74731205
Ah, did not know that thanks. Gives me hope knowing if shit hits the fan and humanity gets thrown back to tribal times we can eventually rebuild without having to worry about our nukes fucking us over before the rebuild.
>>74731097
They'd deteriorate to the point that they could no longer go off. They'd be dangerously radioactive for a few thousand years, but as they're locked away in their silos and bunkers not much harm would come of them.
>>74730256
>absolutely not
>"It is important to recognize, however, that ballistic missile forces represent both the U.S. and Soviet potential for strategic nuclear warfare at the highest, most indiscriminate level, and at a level least susceptible to control. The employment of these weapons in lower level conflict would be likely to escalate the situation, uncontrollably, to an intensity which could be vastly disproportionate to the original aggravation. The use of ICBMs and SLBMs is not, therefore, a rational or credible response to provocations which, although serious, are still less than an immediate threat to national survival. For this reason, among others, I consider that the national security will continue to require the flexibility, responsiveness, and discrimination of manned strategic weapon systems throughout the range of cold, limited, and general war"
Gen MayMay
>>74731257
"May I remind you, 007, that you have a license to kill, not be killed!"
>>74731097
1. The fallout is not that long lasting
2. The bombs would just deteriorate and become unusable fairly quickly because of radioactive decay.
>>74730099
>would muslims even continue to face mecca after the nuke?
They're not even facing it right now. Muslims be sending their prayers to some green aliens somewhere in the galaxy.
Though it'd still great to nuke the Mecca and replace it by a statue of the christ. The backfire will proly destroy Europe but we're already doomed anyway.
>>74731371
Radioactive decay will only really affect them long after the arming systems and conventional explosives needed to make them go have died. Without those, radiactive decay will be a long and mostly painless process.
>>74731205
>>74731371
what if we use useless nukes as dirty bomb or radiological dispersal device...
>>74729870
why hasnt anyone hijacked an airplane and 9/11ed it into mecca yet?
>>74731518
Yes. I did not state anything different.
>>74731371
>Fallout not lasting 2 million years
>Any radiation of considerable intensity reaching the surface
Do you know how nuclear fission actually works?
>>74731585
Cause that's what sandniggers do. The better question is why nobody's bombed it.
Also it's hard to hit a small low building with a passenger jet. Large tall ones are much simpler, and even then they weren't hit dead center.
>comfy in bunker
mfw judgment day
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1463912263384.webm
>>74731710
you dont need to hiit the building. just hit and kill all the people
>>74731643
You said they'd become unusable by radioactive decay, I pointed out that they'd be unusable by the decay of the other components first, not the fissile material. That will die out later.
>>74731585
because we need oil on long-term-base and could not secure it without cooporation with the people living in that area ...the worse thing are terror attack on supply routes
>>74731772
If you're not aiming to destroy a specific building then using passenger jets is not cost effective. NBC is the way to go.
>>74731851
no i mean just some random person.
>>74731581
Nothing will happen.
The dirty bomb is just a meme.
For example: look how green Prypiat is today! People have been living in vilages inside the containment zone for decades, with no signs of adverse effects.
If some wanted to contaminate an area, he would just use chemical weapon agents.
There are substances that are much, much cheaper, easier to obtain and much more dangerous for humans than nuclear fuel.
>>74731581
Dirty bombs are not actually a very effective way of killing people. Most of the victims would be due to the initial (conventional) explosion
>>74729870
Implying nukes are even real.
When was the last time we had news of a nuclear detonation anywhere on Earth? It's always missile tests, never a nuke blast.
>>74730249
I agree 100%
>>74732105
Missile tests are nuclear detonations too yknow
>>74731906
yeah but the blame go to the whole country of orgin if they find out who did it in that case lets israel do it they are already on blacklist there...
>>74732165
Test rockets have no warheads.
>>74732105
This.
>tfw hiroshima-ku was actually ayy lmaos flexing their muscles and scared all world leaders into submission
Here in nihongo we have secret evidence for this.
>>74732249
Oh thats what you meant i see
But what about the actual nuke tests
https://youtu.be/S-V6MZlyCqE
https://youtu.be/S-V6MZlyCqE
START was his only mistake
>>74731983
>chest xray every 20 minutes
>no adverse effects
>>74730868
It's ok for the americans to have them but you should really lose your nukes.
>>74729870
Just make sure it's during the hajj and the biggest nuke ever made making Tsar Bomba seem like a firecracker.
>>74731684
Long half life means little radiation.
Uranium 238 has a half life of 4.468 billion years.
>Oooooh scary big number!
Actually that means if you have a chunk of 4.468 billion atoms, you would on average only hear one "click" every two years on your geiger-counter for the next four and a half billion years.
You can touch that stuff with your bare hands.
For years.
Without any signs of anything.
Short lived isotopes are something different.
For example Polonium with a half-life of 138.376 days has the longest half-life of naturally occurring polonium.
You DO NOT want to touch that - this stuff is hot.
>>74732527
japan has unassembled nuclear weapons, does this upset you? it's what 75 years since trinity? how long do you expect countries to hold out... especially now that nuclear non-proliferation treaties dont exist - and you get invaded by the signatories after they abrogate the treaty.
>>74730249
>People who want to disarm are just cowards
>in the context of state-owned nuclear weapons
you fucking dumb cretin
>>74732408
That number is bullshit. Care to back that with a source?
>>74732105
these tests have been banned by most countries for a few decades, which is one reason why DPRK's tests spark controversy.
They were a common occurance through the 50s-60s, with underground/contained explosions in the 70s.
Also, regarding nuclear weapon deterioration- The process of the fuel slowly losing its radioactivity is almost harmless. It is slow, unsustained fission. Dangerous levels of radioactivity occur when a chain fission reaction is started, which is deliberate. Plutonium isn't a nice thing to have laying around, but unless it is contained in a neutron reflector and has an ongoing chain reaction, it is going to be harmless unless you go up to it and fuck with it. Google "Tickling the dragon's tail" (?)
>>74732665
U238 and various other emitters in an alcohol cloud chamber
https://youtu.be/ZFGpqxmRx_M
https://youtu.be/ZFGpqxmRx_M
>>74729870
Russia is developing this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat
expected to become operational summer this year: MIRVs with erratic flight trajectories render US missile defence useless.
North Korea is continuing its missile program despite sanctions, and has reopened 3 of it's nuclear reactors.
Iran
Venezuela and North Korea have talked about developing a strategic alliance to expand anti-American forces. And, Hugo
Chavez, Venezuela’s President has meet with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to talk about developing nuclear technology.
>hurr durr lets scrap trident
>nuclear weapons are irrelevant guys
>no one will nuke anyone honest, relic of the past
>>74732841
Sure thing. But what about the cost of building and maintaing thousands of warheads, missiles, silos and submarines vs the cost of just scaring the populace with a nuclear apocalypse? Prove to me nukes are real and glass the ME already!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin
for more info about criticality incidents and the idiotic nature of nuclear research prior to the first bombs.
>>74730500
Earth would get fucked up i tink
>>74733232
Nuclear power plants exist and deliver electricity. The physics of this process is very well understood (uranium rods, neutron reflector, boil water, electricity). The nuclear rods can last 5+ years. Additionally, the Voyager I and II crafts use a fission power supply that continues to power the crafts in an albeit diminished state, 40+ years after their initial launch.
It just takes another step to understand that these physics can be exploited. The power contained in a rod that can be slowly released over 5 years can be released instantaneously in a nuclear explosion. You can drive a car 300 miles on a tank of fuel, or that fuel can combust all at once and cause an explosion.
Information on the exact physics of nukes, specifically thermonuclear nukes, is going to be classified, but I would suggest reading about the ullom design.
>>74732989
Yeah, that is cloud chamber.
I've worked with these before in our university lab.
What you see there is alpha and beta radiation.
Looks really nice, but the level of activity you see there is completely harmless.
>>74732722
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/15/radiation-exposure-levels-guide
depending on where you are in pripyat it is considerably more than what i 'claimed'
500 mSv per hour in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRL7o2kPqw0
>>74733597
*Teller–Ulam
You basically have one or two+ stage nukes. The nukes used in WWII were both one-stage, but all modern nukes will generally have two stages (Teller–Ulam) because they are much more efficient and give a greater yield. Some exceptions have three. (Tsar Bomba)
>>74733723
>works in university lab with this equipment
>doesnt understand how dangerous pripyat still is
>>74729870
What would actually happen if a country nuked mecca in the middle of the hajj?
>>74733978
It would be extremely radioactive
Real answer: global muslim chimpout, Mecca is glass, huge pan Middle Eastern war
>>74733978
saudi arabia is a nato protectorate and your gov't, france, and america would perform 2nd strike procedures.
>>74732692
Some countries are ok to have nukes but israeli actions towards the west particularly the USA warrant the removal of their nukes.
>>74734510
who's gonna make them?
>>74734413
>convince ISIS that "moderate" muslims have lost faith in Allah, and worship the Kaaba in Mecca like an Idol
>ISIS then blows up the Black Box to lead "moderate" muslims back onto the correct path of worship to Allah
>>74733775
Oh, boy!
He stated that the measurment showed 500 MICRO Siverts not 500 mSv.
> 500 μSv is not the same as 500mSv
That is one thousand times less than you claim.
I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
>>74734698
You dont have to convince ISIS of that because that's actually what they already believe, they have stated their intention of blowing up the Kaaba several times
Would be fucking mental if it happened but i doubt it ever would
>>74730460
What? You're making up a fantasy in which muslims are some sort of superhumans who everyone fears.
>>74730249
>As long as they are held by rational actors
yep
>>74730463
Holy fuck someone this retarded exists...
>>74733232
>muh nuclear power
Nuclear plants and nuclear weapons are entirely different things except for the fission bit.
Not one nuclear plant has ever exploded into a mushroom cloud.
>>74733021
nope 2018 its comming and the americans nicknamed it satan 2
>>74734790
>>74733966
https://youtu.be/TRL7o2kPqw0?t=518
At 8:38 you can clearly see that the counter is set to μSv/h not to mSv/h.
That way it shows scary big numbers.
Lesson learned: never take anything in TV at face value!
>>74734790
yes, it was a typo - i will point out that 500uSv/hr (peaked at 1.00mSv/hr in video) is still 5x a chest xray at 100uSv/hr... which comes to a chest xray every 12 minutes, not 20 like my original claim.
>accurate and conservative estimate
>wrongly called bullshit
>still wont thank me
>>74735344
if you dont mind the chest xray every 12 minutes part... you'll be ok
>germans.. not even once
>>74735409
No, my point of Prypiat beeing scary meme still stands.
The lowest dose for any adverse effect is concidered about 100mSv.
That means you would have to stand for 1000hrs straight in that scary cellar for risking any effect to become appearent many years later.
But the media likes scary stories and tourism in Chernobyl >>74735344
is booming thanks to that.
>>74734676
If the USA wasn't retarded they should have done it.
>>74735893
that was a rather long apology - but then you turn it into a rationalization that chest xrays tickle.
my claim = essentially correct
(chest xray every 20 minutes vs 12 minutes)
>calling bullshit on accurate facts like a jew
>germans... not even once
