>Forget about political alignments. We are going to discuss the AFP raids and a possible violation of Australian democracy.
Were the AFP working independently last night or are they being used as political storm troopers?
>>74539795
also post links to articles you have read.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-20/election-live-may-20/7430110
>>74539884
More information on AFP warrant
The ABC has seen a warrant which suggests police are casting a wide net in their investigation.
It names Senator Stephen Conroy, staffers, technology bloggers and four major media organisations including the ABC.
The document says the AFP were searching for information relating to:
Labor Senator Stephen Conroy
Two Labor staffers
The NBN
Other mobile numbers and internet addresses
Major media organisations including the ABC
The warrant refers to a “yet unidentified Commonwealth officer” communicating documents relating to the NBN to a Labor staffer “contrary to section 79(6) of the Crimes Act”. This section of the Act relates to leaking of Commonwealth information.
The document authorises the AFP to access any “storage device... manual, instruction, password or other thing which is needed to gain access”.
In an updated statement from NBN Co, it stated that the company was assisting
>"with an investigation into the ongoing theft of intellectual property".
Watch out!
>>74542894
I don't know man. I genuinely want to discuss this but /pol/ has become a meme vortex. Pretty much every thread that don't contain "Build Wall, POO IN LOO, Aussie Shitposters or 'cuck'" get ignored.
We really need more upfront and visable moderation for reckless faggotry on all boards.
Im just gonna draw dicks on my voting slip
>>74543074
You absolute and total moron.
>>74539795
>>74539884
>>74540032
I thought this sort of shit only happened in S.America. We truly are going down the shitter
>>74543179
There are definite questions here.
While there is no evidence yet that this was a politically motivated raid, the story so far just seems far too convenient.
>>74543133
Well, who do you think is worth voting for in the solomon seat?
>>74540032
So we still don't know what the raids were about other than 'someone said something to someone'?
I would be amazed if there wasn't corruption involved somewhere along the line, but to be honest I would have assumed it would be on the lib side given their abortion of a plan. Unless it was the leaking of their plans to the media that let us KNOW how much of a fuck up it was?
Turncuck getting a little power-hungry I see.
>>74543286
https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz
You should vote based on policies not political branding. Sure your vote might seem like a dead vote. But every vote counts.
Donkey voting destroys the integrity of our country.
>>74543415
>Donkey voting destroys the integrity of our country.
Clive Palmer is testament to that.
>>74543286
The day that I vote centralist cuck more immigrants party a or b will be the day I knockout my teeth and start giving $10 gummy blowjobs to homeless.
>>74543576
>>74543415
For you
>>74543606
Just do the fucking poll and post results, god damn are you fucking blind? It's right there, you... you...
>>74539795
I got a letter from the bullshit today
>>74543074
Kill yourself.
>>74543415
What if the only candidates running are your standard run-of-the-mill career LibLabGreen cucks?
There is legitimately no reason to vote.
>>74543795
Ha! Fellow Perthfag. 6156. Haven't received my LNP draft form yet. Definitely gonna use the post replied envelope to send glitter and photocopies of my penis.
>>74543286
One nation. Don't bother with the rest.
>>74543995
vote for the party you hate the least.
Do poll.
https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz
>>74539795
the problem for labour is that they sent the document. the paper would not run a non primary source so they sent it in full
>>74544045
That poll is just trivial bullshit
>>74544032
Wood vote one nation 100% but they dont run up here. You get labour libs and greens and maybe an irrelevant independent who shares the cuck centralist mindset.
>>74544089
But was it in the interest in the Australian Public? We are paying for it.
The ABC is implying that they are being pursued for copyright infringement rather than leaking classified documents.
>>74544156
Politics is just trivial bullshit. Do Poll.
>>74543453
>falling for the major party and media hatchet job
Clive was a fucking hero in Townsville when he bought that refinery. Those cunts would have been out of a job 6 years ago if it weren't for him. Fucking short memories.
>>74543290
So, in the APS there are very strict disclosure policies and leaking will absolutely get investigated by the AFP.
This allows us an interesting view tho - there are "leaks" and then there are leaks - if you see a "leak" in the media, but no follow up, you can be sure it was very very intentional. However, in all other cases, the AFP are obliged to follow up.
Security levels and clearances exist for a reason.
>>74543747
>Do the poll, goy
No thx m7. Unless a party is going to address the issues of usury, the cucking of our white population and the artificially high housing prices, I'm not playing the jews games.
>>74544032
I think ol' Pauline might just make it into the Senate desu senpai
>>74544200
no, its under government secrecy laws. until FOI timeframe passes release of docs is illegal
>>74544289
Doubt it, she'll probably end up getting cucked by Glenn Druery
>>74544277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WvJrEuJTk
>>74539795
Remember that Senate voting procedures have changed this cycle and as it is double dissolution you have the chance to vote in a completely new senate. Be sure to number at least 1 to 12 below line, preferably voting 1..n to ensure preferences flow as you want them to.
NSW voters are reminded to vote for based Danny Lim in the Senate
>>74544452
Thanks mate. I haven't had a proper look into how the changes will have an effect yet. Will be voting below the line regardless.
Anyone else all alone on this Friday night?
Feels pretty bad man.
>>74544570
I have a night shift. Completely alone due to lock out procedures. Shit sucks.
>>74544570
yeah same... where are you at? I'm in Adelaide
>>74544546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1opGfV5h6M
>>74544565
Good lad, I spent the few extra minutes voting below the line last time also, 1 to 120 or so, making sure I preferenced those fucking country wrecking greens absolutely last....
AEC gov au has all the good oil on the new system but so long as to at least 1 to 12 below the line, you are sweet.
>>74544742
Sydney mate?
>tfw I live in shortens electorate
jesus christ this is going to be a rough one
>>74544852
Nah, Perth. Caltex.
>>74544390
Hot argument you have there family. Ill be sure to put libs @number one just because of this post.
What got solen/leaked and why do I care?
>>74544918
Fuck hey, you got the lockout laws over there as well? What restrictions have they put on ya?
>>74544755
Canberra mate.
If any other Canberra anons wanna grab a beer or anything some time hit me up. I swear I'm not a psycho, I've just alienated myself by revealing my power level on FB and I don't know who my real friends are anymore.
>>74544975
Mate Im central west, in the heartland but get to CBR a fair bit, I'll be sure to open a shitpost thread when I'm heading down, love to catch up for a sneaky beer or 12
>>74544931
Don't care. If you feel like spiting me despite having no knowledge of my political alignments is in your best interest. Then go with that.
>>74545003
>>74545011
...
Fuck me.
>>74544975
>revealing my power level
lmao what did you do
>>74545031
Well you tell me some more important issues than usury, mass immigration and inflated housing cost
>>74543264
it was in regards to complaints nbn co made.
>>74539795
Friendly reminder that the UK detonated nuclear weapons in Australia.
>>74544972
In regards to Pubs or Caltex?
Pubs and nightclubs have had 3am lockouts for about 6 years. Crown Casino is 24/7.
Caltex isn't law it's policy. The corporate stores have discretionary night window from 10pm to 12am and then compulsory from 12am to 5am.
90% of the people you deal with after 12am are full blown smackheads looking for Paysafe (online Gambling), gatorade and cigarettes. Caltex corporate stores look after their workers and it is a 8/10 place to work casually.
>>74539795
ALP just cannot be trusted with immigration. If they get in its power sharing with the greens and out goes borer control.The Libs are the only major party id back for immigration.
explain what happened to me like im 10
>>74545205
>KHAN'D
>>74543795
>2016
>smoking
>>74544032
Australia First Party?
>>74545111
Mass immigration and inflated housing cost are both concerning issues for me.
I will be voting accordingly.
>>74543795
Looking at this letter (fucking SIDEWAYS), Turnbull wants you to accept diversity, even more.
>More immigrants, probably by the millions
In return, you only get a couple hundreds of thousands of jobs, and most would probably be taken by these immigrants.
Most of those high-tech and defense industry jobs he's promising are also probably going to be taken by the immigrants who are probably going to be more educated than your average Aussie when it comes to tech and defense industries. It's highly probable that they'd be importing Indians and Chinese to take most of these jobs through work visas.
And those few thousands of jobs left that may be available for you guys are probably going to be low-paying jobs, because importing immigrants will cause a downward pressure on wages/salary. Because they're willing to work for less money, forcing you to compete by offering to work for even less.
To add insult to injury, there are no tax incentives for you. It's just available for businesses and most likely rich people, while you continue to pay the same or maybe even more. If you factor in the cost of importing all those immigrants, it's also probable that they'd increase taxes on everyone but the businesses and the rich (because they generate the jobs).
It screams de javu. That it already happened to the US that transformed the country from the wealthiest (during the Clinton Era) to the underemployed and financially insecure (during Bush's and Obama's tenure).
That's a bad deal. Don't take it.
>>74539795
Auspol is boring as shit, especially this year.
It's just a choice between cuck, cucker, and cuckest.
Grubby shit!
What a fuck up the LNP has made of the NBN. Eat shit.
>>74545205
That's nice. We make your girlfriends wet. Thanks us later bro.
>>74545426
And do you unironically believe that any of the major parties will seriously cover any of these issues?
>>74545475
This
>>74545555
>>74545239
I was talking about pubs but interesting about the servo issues...Dubbo have a very similar with their servos, especially around Thursday mornings...aka Dole Day ;)
>>74545555
Yes. Yes I do. I do not believe there will be a single party that will cover any policy or policies to every single desire that I have. Which is why I will make an informed decision considering the pros and cons of each party.
>>74545677
>dubbo
Im so sorry anon...
>>74543415
74% with Family First, but none of their candidates run in my area. Hopefully the One Nation members runs again.
>>74545677
oh fuck me. Dole day.
"Oi brah, I filled up my car but centrelink hasn't paid me yet"
"Why didn't you try to prepay?"
"Nah, I usually just fill in the form"
Every. God. Damn. Time.
>>74545469
Diversify the economic portfolio not the fucking people you mong.
>>74545703
Labour and libs both support immigration and dont give a fuck about housing. Theres no major party that will give a single fuck about your interests. It will all be poof marriage and other irrelevant issues that get the fuckwit masses all excited.
>a party that will cut medicare and possibly sunday rates
>a party that will blow out the budget on more failed schemes and need to raise taxes
>a party that wants to flood the country with immigrants
>or the independents who have no hope of getting elected
This is why I never registered.
>>74545941
Tfw never registered but am registered.
compulsory voting should be abolished. It's garbage in, garbage out.
>>74546097
There should be a literacy or knowledge test desu
>>74539795
>Or are they being used as political storm troopers?
Of course they are
>>74545834
Labor will be moving negative gearing to new properties and setting up a independent banking commissioner. Which is a massive move in housing.
I don't know what to say about immigration. I don't want open borders, but clearly indefinite detention is not sustainable. Maybe we could run education and trade programs in detention centers to make the refugees an attractive option for smaller foreign countries. It would also mean they are not spending years on end sitting on their asses doing nothing.
>>74545469
>Most of those high-tech and defense industry jobs he's promising are also probably going to be taken by the immigrants who are probably going to be more educated than your average Aussie when it comes to tech and defense industries. It's highly probable that they'd be importing Indians and Chinese to take most of these jobs through work visas.
Studying IT security thinks there how for me to get a position in that program?
>>74546222
This will have zero effect on prices. You will still need to borrow to the hilt from the jew just to get a small home.
>>74539795
Okay so from what I can gather:
>Someone at NBN took a copy of a document that had parliamentary privilege with the intention of distributing it to other NBN employees
>AFP and Labor both invloved somewhere along the line
>AFP conducts raids
>Reporters on scene (I really fucking hate cops who give info to journos they need to die)
Can't say what it means, I wanna know what's on this document.
>>74546347
>This will have zero effect on prices.
This is an opinion, not fact. I also disagree. Housing is not a single issue that concerns me. Focussing on a single issue leaves you in a "dead cat on the table" situation.
As I said before, I will be voting based on a range of policies.
Does it even matter what party wins? They're all shit cunts.
>>74545737
Not Dubbo myself mate, further remote than that but I know a few lads in DubVegas...
>>74545205
Should have detonated them here.
>>74546425
I was released online about three months ago. It basically stated that the LNP NBN was far slower, less reliable, almost as expensive and will take as long to build as the Labor FTTP one.
No one really cared apart from the bullshit about the Libs buying the previously taxpayer owned (and neglected) copper back from Telstra at a heavily inflated price.
>>74545941
AEC take from a shitload of sources so you might be registered lad, worth checking it anyway, dont wanna get a fine and have to give up some dollyroos
>>74546473
Cool keep bending over so that you can have a win on minor issues if you want. I'd much rather just have a wank or something else more productive then voting for your kike run overlords.
>>74546607
Some are bigger fuckwits that others. The current lot are a bunch
of lying arseholes shovelling our money towards their mates, with folks
like Mike Baird gifting tollways to his rent seeking banking mates.
And note many of them come from a banking background or are married to such (Hockey).
>>74546875
Why are you even on /pol/ if you don;t care about politics?
What do people think of http://australianlibertyalliance.org.au/
Everyone on jewbook just refers to them as the anti-islam party
>>74546930
I do, once a non cucked/jew controlled party enters the race, ill vote with a big grin on my face. Till that day comes, I'll abstain and not encourage their shittyness
All Leftists should be raided by the Federal Police and disappeared into the night and fog never to return.
>>74547073
> We stand for an integrated multi-ethnic society that returns to values of self-reliance, which lives within its means and leaves no legacy of debt to future generations.
Literally the second paragraph of their "Values and Policies" page but I forgot, the left can't read...
>>74547073
Stopped reading at multi ethnic society desu
>>74547073
Literally zionists
>>74547073
InshALA they will win a Senate seat in every State.
>>74547154
Though reading on to their 3rd paragraph, they describe why Islam doesn't fit into their Values. It is a coherent argument, worthy of debate, but it's just as easy to cry "racism" I suppose.
>>74546719
>almost as expensive
It will be more expensive.
>>74547221
What
>>74547367
Like Labors cost projection were in the realm of reality. Yes, it cost more than some pretend numbers Conroy threw around, but cmon.
>>74547160
I reckon they threw that in there so that the racism argument would look retarded against them.
>>74547221
They support the re-establishment of israel?
>>74547233
Liberal debating 101, call the other side racist
>>74546925
Fair point. I've not followed politics really but the only time anything really affected me was when ol mate Tone brought in the work for the dole stuff, which wasn't even that bad. I'm just a 22 yr old neet mong with no future so I don't think it matters who I vote for, I'm probably fucked regardless.
>>74543997
6000 nigga, we need a Perth /pol/ack meet up one day.
>>74544570
i'm alone but got my beer, my 420 and music.
>>74545306
yes i should be vaping i'm too heteronormative with my cowboy killers
>>74545469
as if any australian that isn't lobotomized wont trash the content of this letter straight away. Especialy in the context of WA state Liberal for the last decade or so. Squandered the greatest mining boom our nation has had and just tabled a state budget with the biggest deficit ever.
Fuck Liberal
What's the best party for a neet who doesn't want any refugees?
>>74547543
You can throw in what you want, lefty faggots will still call you racist. May as will go full 1488 imo
>>74547128
Yeah, you keep repeating that. But you still keep sounding like a 14 year old dyslexic girl.
>>74544546
...has he pissed himself?
>>74547688
Cool, at least im not voting for the very people who want a shitskin australia.
>>74547636
Faggot read the OP. This isn't a neetbux gib me dat thread.
>>74547755
Whoam I voting for, senpai?
>>74547596
>6000 nigga, we need a Perth /pol/ack meet up one day.
Keen.
>>74547543
It's more like "Oy vey goyim, we'll protect your vibrant multicultural society from Islam, give us the political power so we can maintain the beautiful multiculti, you don't wanna become an islamic country do you?"
>>74547367
Ok, this is my opinion. While Labors NBN will have massive cost blow outs, it is more economically viable in the long term. The NBN could have been an asset.
As far as I am aware, Labor hit a major road block with asbestos. Which is something the Liberals are also hung up with.
>>74547842
Labour by abstaining, you're literally a gibsmedat who's not being offered what you want.
Meanwhile other gibs are
>>74548154
Ha! You are a fucking riot, champ.
Hello ausfriends
Which party is centre-right leaning?
Brainstorming idea cause I'm bored.
What if:
We abolish the ability for political parties to raise revenue or hold assets beyond paying for its staffers. No funding allowed for election campaigns, absolutely no donations.
Hear me out.
We expand the current electoral system ($ for each vote in the previous electoral cycle, new parties can apply for a federal start-up), money must be used by the next electoral cycle, anything not used goes back into the federal budget.
This kills the Jew influence, stops the two-party centralised bullshit we currently have, allows minor parties to actually have a genuine influence beyond 'm-muh balance of power'
Have I finally lost it or am I on to something?
>>74546473
Why not focus on a single issue at a time? We have elections every 4 or so years after all, it's not like you're in any rush.
>>74547073
It's who i'm voting for. When it comes to australian political landscape today, you have to pick the one which has the most promise at least around their core policies and beliefs. There are just so many which simply can't suit any sane person's expectations entirely and seeing a fresh and new party with similar ideas to what i share is an opportunity imho.
I was going to join them and become a member but had second thoughts (closet anarchist)
>>74548341
One Nation
>>74548341
Australian Liberty Alliance.
>>74548352
You're onto something. So they will do everything they can to not let it happen.
I'm mystified how one of my councillors (green party) is affording hoardings on houses. I assume the Green Party is bankrolling it. The councillors only make $30,000
>>74548382
>>74548422
>>74548371
>Why not focus on a single issue at a time?
Because then you get candidates like Trumpty Dumpty and Shillary soaking up the entire debate with non-issues and policies they couldn't deliver on.
>>74548625
I really don't see how those two things are connected. It just seems like the whole "muh broad range of issues" thing is just an excuse to compromise on particular issues, and if you're willing to compromise on any issue how are you ever meant to get any thing done? Doesn't matter what you achieve on one issue you'll just "compromise" on that to further your agenda on some other issue at a later date, it's like a big game of musical chairs.
>>74548502
Of course, they'd claw and hold onto whatever power they think they have left.
When has politics been any different?
We lost access to the process of democracy when we allowed it to be monetized.
>>74548352
Ok. I was talking to a bricky the other day that just got made redundant. He claims he was unfairly dismissed because he was asking about overtime and was whining about how he will lose his house etc etc. Some one asked him why he hasn't considered joining a union. I shit you not, what happened next was the most mind numbingly retarded thing I have even seen in my life. He proceeded to spew out, word for word, the same old Rupert Murdoch drab about Union Corruption.
This sort of person is why your otherwise good idea will be molested by the elite.
Serious question: I'm totally for wiping all African, Asians, Indians, and Arabs off the face of the planet but at the end of the day why does it matter what the genetic makeup of the fuckwit tax slaves are? Especially when productivity goes up when you let them fuck whoever they want.
>>74548963
So are you a bricky too?
>>74548744
Nah, the opposite. Muh broad range of issues is more about me caring about more than one issue rather than compromisations. I just acknowledge that no matter who I vote for, they will have policies that I disagree with.
>>74548963
I am pro union but to be fair the unions are pretty corrupt
Makes my blood boil every time I see a CFMEU placard at some pro-multikulti protest
>>74548963
Isn't a union just an extension of that concept?
They're exactly what I'm referring to when I mentioned
>the jew
Political and monetary influence conducted by an apolitical societal structure (by definition) originally set up to benefit those included in its membership.
I have no doubt some unions are corrupt as shit.
The fact that we allow them to donate (and have the ALP by the balls) is the real problem.
If you want to help your party, you should volunteer or join, not fucking pay out the arse to make them do your bidding.
>>74548963
>not entering into the union
It's the absolute best way to work.
>Do absolute barest parts of job description
>Boss gets angry and starts screaming about HR and job requirements etc etc etc
>"Fuck off, don't come back unless you have the union with you."
>Dance on station for rest of day undisturbed
>Have done this for 3 fucking years
>>74549045
Nah, Caltex as previously stated. I am from Fremantle, so the working class and Asspie-rational classes are the majority here.
Political apathy is strong here so we get retards who know nothing about politics beyond "Stop the boats".
>>74549131
I didn't say they weren't or really even have an opinion on whether they are or are not corrupt.
My point is that this guy had no idea that unions would have been in his best interest.
>>74549227
Classic Labor voter
I really want to run for council
Problem is councils are so cucked that literally you can only do feel-good things.
Can't even fix problems on busy roads because VicRoads controls them
>>74549194
>If you want to help your party
I have no current predisposition to any party, bud.
All options are open at this point.
>>74549397
Fair dos. I hear ya
>>74549227
You're a fucking boil, mate.
If you're employed to do a job, you fucking do it.
How does this make you any better than a shitskin or a dole bludger?
At least they'd probably appreciate having the work
>>74549430
Mate, my boss is a 24 year old woman who got a Bachelor of Arts with a minor of Gender Studies.
She completely failed to get a job, slutted it up with the owner of this company, and now is in a 85k position with benefits.
I normally vote Liberal, but you can bet your ass I love unions in this type of scenario.
>>74549604
I do the job.
I just do the bare minimum required.
What are they going to do, fire me when I have the union behind me?
>>74549227
To be fair, that would have more to do with you being a terrible cunt and less to do with unions.
>>74549533
You could always attempt to ease planning and zoning laws that are stifling economic development in this country more than just about any other thing currently.
>>74549607
See I do the same thing to my bosses except I'm not in the union.
If you work hard enough you can tell them to fuck off when they annoy you and they don't do shit.
>>74539795
>Try to get an APS job
>They're all corrupt as fuck
>Yeah whatever
>No responses back
Fucking why
>>74549664
>terrible cunt
You try working 110% 8 hours a day 5 days a week while your entitled cunt of a boss is screaming about the patriarchy and all of that shit.
I'm not going to dance around like a little pansy and bend over to her shit. I'd rather not get a rape allegation.
>>74549710
You should get into the union mate. Great fun.
>>74549561
Wasn't referring to you specifically, just those who would be.
Off topic, does anyone know if GetUp! actually receives funding from Soros or they're only modelled on MoveOn?
>>74549798
>complain that your boss is a woman who unfairly got an overpaid job
>joins the union and pays the wages of 100s of people who fit that description perfectly
good one mate
>>74549639
Deliberate disregard for your job and bringing a company into disrepute are both legitimate reasons for fair dismissal.
You're probably only have a job because your boss only needs a mouth breather and you fill that position well.
>>74549881
:^)
>>74549896
>deliberate disregard
The world isn't fair, and I'm not about to sacrifice my livelihood to become the paragon of fairness and equality.
>You're probably only have a job because your boss only needs a mouth breather and you fill that position well.
I actually work for 33 bucks an hour but okay.
Don't expect me to bend over and take it for my company when they can't even do something as simple as get a proper manager.
>>74549798
Does she legit do that? Give us a greentext
>>74550104
shhhh stop posting wank or fuck off back to /int/.
>>74544899
>tfw you moved from the safest liberal seat in the state to the safest labour seat
>>74539795
Which party has the best internet and NEETbux?
>>74549866
Soros probably does.
Has his 'humanitarian' fingers in many pies.
>>74544742
Quietest Friday night I've ever seen at a liquor store in Canberra's Bronx.
>>74544975
North or south Canberra?
>>74551483
Not him, but Woden here.
>>74550532
Probably Labor, but they'd give your NEETbux to refugees
>>74549684
I would only be interested in preserving or expanding industrial / commercial zones. I am sick of all of the family houses being knocked down and stuffed with 10 substandard units
>>74540032
Can someone catch me up on what's happening here?
>>74551930
There were progress reports leaked from NBN Co a few months ago. The AFP raided Labor offices last night it is unclear at the moment if they were sent in by the LNP.
The fact that it took the AFP so long to respond to a complaint and they just decided to just before an election is very questionable.
TL;DR WE PROBABLY STALIN NOW.
>>74551536
Grog shop in charnwood. Fucking dead mate...
>>74552136
>Charnwood
Top kek. What are you doing there?
>>74552183
Freezing my dick off. Long shot, do you work at Aldi?
redpill a monkey on what is happening in australia.
>>74552271
No, why?
>>74552280
The ruling party sent the police to raid the offices of the main opposition party in the middle of an election campaign. We Erdogan now.
>>74552314
Nvm. Only person I've met here who uses this site was when I worked at Coleman court...
Like I said, long shot.
>>74552365
shit. thats hitler level of enemy elimination. You guys are smart you will figure that shit out.
>>74552410
Do you live in Charnwood? Is it still a Houso bogan shithole?
>>74549607
Your boss got her job and is protected despite her incompetence by unions...
The police don't act on the orders of pollies you plebs. If anything I'm happy that they're sussing out corruption. The government isn't above the law and the Labor party of modern times just conveniently is always up to no good.
Bill Shorten will be laughing today and playing the victim in Question Time. It's funny watching him try to emulate the Democrats of this American election, waiting for him to start quoting Sanders.
This country is fucked and you all have your heads so far up your ass you can't see it.
We are never going to recover from Labor's debt legacy. We tried to fix it with Tones but no one could take the cuts. It's ogre. There is no more money for your lifestyle and the more you go into debt the worse it gets. This means the government is effectively out of money. Which means over the next few years you will see jobs go, services reduce and all sectors hurting. Suddenly there is less room on the train, less room on the road, less room at the doctors, and less help at tax time.
The economy is barely growing and wages/house-prices/everything has stagnated - except living cost. With wages and house prices going most people have lost their on chance at making any real money and doing anything other than just getting by. The house price is not going to drop. If you grandfather clause negative gearing fags get your way you are beyond fucked. Go look at what happened last time if you don't believe me.
This is all you are going to do your whole life in this country now. Just get by. Barely. Probably in some cramped as fuck unit developed by the Chinese, or in some horrible sharehouse. I hope you're looking forward to living in a shit place with your wife who has to work all day while your kids are communally raised and brain washed by someone else at child care.
It's all ogre now friends. This election you're looking at either stagnation or collapse. You're fucked.
Don't believe me? Just fucking wait cunt.
I wish it was possible to sue the liberal party and politicians for any money lost on the NBN if they knew they had no chance to deliver what they promised and planned to sabotage it.
Same with labor and things such as myki. There needs to be accountability when large amounts of taxpayers money is knowingly wasted or lost.
>>74545205
Should have fuckin dropped them on Melbourne m80 and spared us the fucking gay cunts in that shithole.
>>74552530
Work, not live. It's nowhere near as bad as it was 10-15 years ago. Still bogan as fuck, but everyone loves us.
>>74552938
>There needs to be accountability when large amounts of taxpayers money is knowingly wasted or lost.
Fucking this.
Like that fucking east-west link in Melbourne. Asshole fucking Labor faggots throw away billions of federal funding. So much so they could have just built the road anyway.
>>74552938
>Labor NBN: We're going to lose the election so let's make a ridiculously expensive utopian plan to fuck the liberals into wasting money
>Liberal NBN: Well fuck, let's just make it as cheap as possible without putting any thought into planning this
I honestly would've prefered waiting a few more years with slow internet than this rushed out election nonsense.
>>74540196
I want a blow job from an emu
>>74553163
>population of Australia: HURR LETS ARGUE OVER LIBERAL AND LABOR NOW WHEN THIS SHIT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GROUND IN THE 90s.
Hang all boomers. ASAP.
>>74553065
It's funny because his advisors are now publicly saying that the East-West link needs to happen, one term bean.
>>74553281
Honestly at what point do we start executing these people for crimes against the state?
Like seriously that guy fucked Melbourne and the country right up it's ass with that choice. There needs to be consequences for this bullshit.
>>74553385
How could you execute a face like this?
>>74544546
Is that the guy with the happy erection sign always in Sydney cbd?
>>74553209
To be fair, it's easy to sit in your PC racing chair and talk about infrastructure and the future like you're a prophet but I don't think anyone here in Australia could have predicted in the 90s that the internet would have expanded so rapidly and become a key component to economic and social affairs, let alone connection speeds.
If a politician were to say alright let's spend a couple of TENS OF BILLIONS to get faster internet for doing shit like I don't know looking up Zelda facts and sending hilarious emails in the 90s they would been sent to a loony bin.
>>74545782
Racist...
>An NBNco employee was allowed to act as a 'special constable' and take photographs of sensitive documents, some even regarding election strategies
>NBNco work entirely for the government + department of communications
>NBNco asked specifically for the AFP to investigate the leaks
>AFP timing on raids is very dodgy
I'm not going to go so far as to call tinfoil here, but the whole thing fucking stinks. If - in the very remote chance - the raid was conducted to hurt Labors election chance it's pretty damning. Criminal even. Unfortunately for LNP, all it's done is take the attention off the Dutton and his refugee comments. Not at all what Turnbull wanted.
>>74553209
>Hang all boomers. ASAP.
Yeah its the fucking Boomers and they need to die.
All those fuckers did was scream about the cost and how people would play games on the NBN while crying about how it was a waste of money so they needed to spend -even- more money to ruin it.
Boomers are a fucking plague
>i dont care that my party broke the law im just angry that australia is the new USSR because the party I dont like may have encouraged the police to investigate a legitimate crime and because i want muh free fibre
t labor stooge
>>74545782
I got 79%
>>74554230
What do you need the NBN for out of curiosity?
>>74553385
>Like seriously that guy fucked Melbourne and the country right up it's ass with that choice. There needs to be consequences for this bullshit.
That's nothing compared to myki, it cost several billion while the price of an existing system was a few hundred million. The finished product was inferior to older existing solutions. Where did the 1.8 billion dollars go? As far as I can tell it was sent through shell companies set up in australia to foreign corporations. There's no way the government wasn't in on it.
It's impossible the money was spent on developing it.
>>74554230
NBN has little to no effect on online gaming. Other than it takes longer to pirate new games which are getting ridiculous like 32-40G
You cunts better be voting for Katter.
He was such a mad cunt he threw eggs at the Beatles.
Has any other politician lived up to Katter's exploits?
Malcolm is our first handsome PM in a long time.
Therefore Malcolm will win.
>tfw you'll never feel his warm embrace
>>74554428
>What do you need the NBN for out of curiosity?
GDP goes up with bandwidth, cobber.
>>74554663
I saw this picture yesterday and was triggered, this is bait right?
>>74554428
>What do you need the NBN for out of curiosity?
Render farm for my 3dcg and upload for SL asset side business, I'd also rather my taxes go to the NBN rather than fucking breeders and boomer pensions.
>>74554428
Not him, but I struggle with work because I can't upload large files when working in Australia. There's lots of jobs these days you can do anywhere with a good internet connection. If you're in Australia and you want to do freelance CAD, 3d cg, photography you're fucked. Meanwhile some slav in a former soviet country has 100mbps and can upload 100gb of assets in a few hours.
It's a big issue if your company isn't big enough to justify an office in the CBD. There's not even proper internet access many places 5km out of capital cities.
>>74554819
I dunno my dude, it's on about 8 layers.
>>74554663
>GDP goes up with bandwidth, cobber.
Also, this is wrong.
>>74554896
>GDP goes down with bandwidth
I'm fascinated to know how.
>>74554823
>>74554863
Then pay for better internet with the current or future profits from your business enterprise.
If your work can't afford to pay for a better connection either deal with the substandard service or close the business entirely.
Do you ask the government to upgrade your factory unit so your business can run more efficiently?
>>74554995
>Do you ask the government to upgrade your roads so your business can run more efficiently?
ftfy
>>74554428
Why did we need to go from dial-up to ADSL?
No one really knows what we'll need fast internet for, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop upgrading. Plus we shouldn't fall behind other countries.
>>74554995
>Do you ask the government to upgrade your public infrastructure that's the responsibility of your government so your business can run more efficiently?
Yes.
>>74554950
Where did you get that quote?
The implication was that better bandwidth does not mean better GDP, the financial benefits gained would be so small that they couldn't make up for cost it took to implement.
All we need to reap the economic and administrative benefits from the internet is for it to be functional, upgrading beyond funcionality is really only for leisure and convenience and you can't really argue against that.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't have great internet but let's not pretend that we want better bandwidth because we think it will stimulate the economy in a major way.
>>74555353
>Where did you get that quote?
Was a while ago from an economics guy they were interviewing on TV. I can't remember his name but I remember his credentials were good. NBN is an investment, not a flatout expense.
>>74555054
>muh roads
>>74555056
If you need faster internet, pay for it. If the increase in productivity in your business cannot cover the cost of upgrading it then why should the government take other peoples money at gunpoint and build it for you?
>>74555131
A nationwide fibre network isn't the responsibility of the government.
Labor decided to create an election issue to wedge liberals with. Obviously it was never going to be finished without an extra 100 billion and 10 years added to the project, but all they had to do was propose it and watch the liberals rightfully oppose it.
>>74555353
Or, and this is an absolutely crazy idea to suggest to anyone under 25 with zero life experience who will probably vote labor (the people in this thread whining about muh nbn), just let the market handle telecommunications services like it does for everything else.
>>74555604
>>muh roads
Touche. Guess I'll transport cargo containers via helicopter.
>>74549227
Literal scum of Australia
>>74553929
Sticks and stones you weak faggot
>>74555604
>just let the market handle telecommunications services like it does for everything else
The sun will die millenia before an Australian telecom improves its infrastructure.
>>74555657
>Touche. Guess I'll transport cargo containers via helicopter.
Drop one on his lawn while your at it.
Who should I vote for if I like guns and want looser laws?
>>74554819
It's a very concise summary of why we're fucked no matter what.
That's why I'm donkey voting. If enough of us do, the whole thing gets thrown out and an entirely new field of candidates stand for election.
>Australian democracy
No thanks, I'm White. Monarchy for me.
>>74555657
The government should take over private helicopter companies and become the sole provider of helicopters to the wholesale market who can then compete in the retail space. Current private helicopter fleets are small and have a very high average life.
Clearly this will fix all the problems with the current helicopter industry, such as poor people not being able to afford helicopters or some helicopter companies only flying to certain locations. Like do you know how much I hate driving to work? Like seriously I can see myself saving so much time and money if I took a helicopter to work. Think of how much better I could run my business if it only took me 20 minutes to get to work instead of 1 hour.
I mean come on, it's 2016. It just makes perfect sense.
>>74555353
>All we need to reap the economic and administrative benefits from the internet is for it to be functional, upgrading beyond funcionality is really only for leisure and convenience and you can't really argue against that.
Video transfer
Large file transfer
Server hosting
SSH
Backups
>>74555604
>A nationwide fibre network isn't the responsibility of the government.
Yes actually, it is.
Telstra had ownership of the old phone line upkeep (and were required by law to operate phone line services in as many places as practical, providing other services if needed), but NBNCo now has ownership of the fibre network. Since it's a fucking government owned corporation, it's their responsibility to upkeep that network.
>If you need faster internet, pay for it.
You're either going to shell absolute fucking massive amounts of money (upwards of 500k) to get fibre optic lines run from your business to an internet exchange point, or you're going to be stuck on Telstra's phone line/cable services.
Which, mind you, can not get above 24 mbit for the phone line, or 100 mbit for the cable services.
NBNCo is a government owned corporation, and is thus responsible for the NBN fibre optic network. No getting around it.
>Or, and this is an absolutely crazy idea to suggest to anyone under 25 with zero life experience who will probably vote labor (the people in this thread whining about muh nbn), just let the market handle telecommunications services like it does for everything else.
Mate.
Telstra's responsibility is to provide phone line and internet services to the people of Australia. If you think the free market approach will work, you clearly haven't seen what Telstra is doing with their infrastructure.
>>74555795
I was due for a free speed upgrade from telstra right as the NBN was annouced. They cancelled it and every upgrade like it in the country and haven't done anything since they signed the agreement with NBN.
iiNet or someone else wanted to install fibre to the basement recently without government support and NBN tried (and I can't remember if they were successful) to stop them doing it.
>>74555916
>Telstra had ownership of the old phone line upkeep
had
>NBNCo now has ownership of the fibre network. Since it's a fucking government owned corporation, it's their responsibility to upkeep that network
Yes no one is debating that NBNco which was set up by the Gillard and Rudd governments is owned and run by the government.
That does not mean that a nationwide fibre network is the responsibility of the government. Reasonable people understand that when you use the word responsibility, you are implying there is some constitutional, customary or legal requirement for them to do so.
The fact they have responsibility of the current system is an irrelevant argument when you are debating whether that system should exist at all. As I said above, since that system having to exist is not a responsibility of the government, it is a non argument.
>You're either going to shell absolute fucking massive amounts of money (upwards of 500k) to get fibre optic lines run from your business to an internet exchange point, or you're going to be stuck on Telstra's phone line/cable services.
Not my fault you operate a business where it is expensive to get high speed internet. Should've chosen your location better.
>Telstra's responsibility is to provide phone line and internet services to the people of Australia
Telstra's responsibility is to it's shareholders. It has extra, cumbersome regulation put on top of it, like QANTAS as a relic of it being a former government owned entity. That does not make it some sort of moral imperative that they build and operate a nationwide fibre network to anyone whether they can afford to pay for the cost of building it or otherwise.
>>74556408
>had
And still do. They just are required to shift service off once the NBN reaches it's deployment date.
>That does not mean that a nationwide fibre network is the responsibility of the government.
It's a government owned company
For a government owned program
Yes, it is the responsibility of the government.
>The fact they have responsibility of the current system is an irrelevant argument when you are debating whether that system should exist at all.
Doesn't matter now, and I seriously doubt that any ISP is going to buy massive sections of already deployed network if you try to destroy it.
>Not my fault you operate a business where it is expensive to get high speed internet. Should've chosen your location better.
Oh, so 98% of the fucking country?
Sorry senpai, let me move to the fucking CBD of Brisbane, that's a good option while the NBN is supposed to be covering the entire country by 2020.
>Telstra's responsibility is to it's shareholders. It has extra, cumbersome regulation put on top of it, like QANTAS as a relic of it being a former government owned entity. That does not make it some sort of moral imperative that they build and operate a nationwide fibre network to anyone whether they can afford to pay for the cost of building it or otherwise.
And here you just didn't understand what I was saying. I'm not saying the NBN is the responsibility of Telstra, I was saying the current copper phone line system is.
And I'm sorry if you don't like regulation, but that's just how the world works.
>>74556640
>It's a government owned company
>For a government owned program
>Yes, it is the responsibility of the government
You are making the same completely pointless argument again.
The government does not have a responsibility to build a nationwide fibre network around the country.
Otherwise link me the section in the constitution or statute or the court case that interprets one of these as a requirement to build and operate fibre.
You can't. It is entirely optional. There is no reason for you to keep repeating this point as some sort of reason why the NBN as a project should continue. It's irrelevant.
>Oh, so 98% of the fucking country?
There are plenty of business parks and new developments that come with private fibre. You are free to take a risk in spending the extra money and try to recoup that cost with the potential increased profits.
Just like any other business purchase.
>>74545399
First party best party
>>74555873
Sun never sets, motherfucker!
>>74555873
Sun never sets, motherfucker!
>>74546177
no it should just be optional, like the rest of the developed world
>>74555835
LDP - Liberal democrats party - Libertarian
>>74554995
>Then pay for better internet with the current or future profits from your business enterprise.
>If your work can't afford to pay for a better connection either deal with the substandard service or close the business entirely.
There is nothing to upgrade to. I have seen many Aussie business trying to run medium sized companies off a single ADSL line, it's fucking everything up because all the IT companies are forcing cloud based products onto everyone. Some critical software gets updated and the new version is cloud based, often the business is stuck either running an old version on some windows XP machine or using a cloud version that stops working when too many employees try to use it. Even if they want to get rid of it the software often it's something that would take months to migrate from and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so.
Management won't believe its a big enough issue until they deal with low productivity for a year.
>>74555604
>Or, and this is an absolutely crazy idea to suggest to anyone under 25 with zero life experience who will probably vote labor (the people in this thread whining about muh nbn), just let the market handle telecommunications services like it does for everything else.
The free market won't invest in something that takes a decade or so to make the money back. No one is ever going to invest 40 billion to build a broadband network that will pay itself off over 25 years when they can invest in something else and get money straight away. Companies capable of funding a 40B project have no interest in the Australian economy, they won't get anything for helping the Australian economy.
>>74545076
Lool bro all my friends (from melbourne) are redpilled af. Arguing with retards on facebook is never a good idea mayn.
>>74556961
Isn't the government expected to use taxpayers money to invest in infrastructure that benefits the nation? It needs the ensure that we have good enough infrastructure to improve services and promote growth of businesses.
Good god, I can't understand anything you cunts are talking about
>>74563251
Democracy has reached a point where people say "I don't want to deal with the effort required to counter the problems we face" and argue over which of the 2 major parties is a bigger pack of rejects.
