sup /p/,
Currently I've earned some money, which I want to spend on the camera that will by my sole everyday companion. The problem is that I'm allured to Leica M8, on which I have found a pretty good deal recently. I like it's compactiness, simplicity of use, I really love RF focusing, but I know that if I eventually start studio work, this camera will be a pain in the ass to work with.
I was also considering some fool frame DSLR, such as Nikon D3 or Canon 5Dmk2 but as I mentioned - I want to carry this camera with me everyday and I'm afraid those will be too bulky to walk with around.
So what would be my best bet? Muh megapickels and ISO perfomance are not a much of a dealbreaker for me, i find those ~11 mpx sufficient for my work, though I'm not sure if parallax will be not an issue.
I've been using both film SLRs and RFs, but only for fun and play, and saying something like
>buy film Leica and DSLR/Sony A7
is actually out of question.
>M8
lol just buy an xpro1, M8s are terrible cameras.
>>2782995
Aren't the lenses expensive as fuck?
>>2783001
Only the expensive ones are. 16-50, 27mm are both easily available under $250
I suggest an xpro1 instead because it's also a good platform for adapting rangefinder glass to, but a far better camera than an M8 in pretty much any given metric. The OVF is rather useless (sort of; more on that in a minute) for it, and the EVF is the oldest, slowest one in the Fuji lineup, but they're pretty cheap cameras now, and if you're not spastic, should find it usable.
re: the ovf, you can feed it frameline information via the menu to match whatever adapted lens youre using, but there is no rangefinder mechanism. There is however a shortcut button to toggle quickly to the zoomed in evf view for precision focusing, and then back again to the ovf (press the back dial in rather than using the front lever to swap to the evf full-time)
While this isn't a rangefinder, using it this way is, in practice, very similar to using an uncoupled rangefinder (a rangefinder where the framelines and rangefinder mechanism require you to move your eyes between two seperate finders) except without the actual physical movement between.
Sounds shitty if you're romanticizing shooting a rangefinder like a pretend war photographer, focusing to and fro with the accuracy of the gods, but in my experience most rangefinder users tend to spend as much, if not more time simply using the rangefinder to pre-focus, rarely aiming for critical focus with any speed anyway. RF shooting does not tend to be the realm of bokehwhores, after all.
>>2783001
Compared against LEICA? No. Also, autofocus...
>>2783001
>Wants a Leica
>Complains about expensive lenses
>>2783055
In my experience, apart from shooting soviet glass. M mount glass is more expensive than your average glass from other manufacturers.
If you're going for a crop factor, you may as well get something like the X-Pro 1 compared to the aging M8.
>>2783055
All Leica lenses are old.
Be aware that there are no spare parts for the M8. If the sensor glass breaks, you're 100% fucked
>>2783055
Those same CV and Zeiss lenses will work on an XPro1
If you're on a budget you shouldn't buy an M8. It's just not reasonable when there are many cheaper alternatives with much newer technology.
>>2782990
>i currently have money
>i want to blow it on a camera that i admit in writing is not suited for my needs
What the fuck is wrong with people
>>2783096
Gotta get 'dat red dot desu senpai
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>>2782995
classic fujishill.
>>2783105
Feel free to expand on why OP should buy a Leica M8 instead of another camera like the X-Pro 1. Remember to keep prices in mind when you explain.
Thanks desu
op here
>>2783094
I don't care about newer technology, camera which took great photos 10 years ago will als take great photos now, it's simple principle
>>2783103
Maybe, but point me out another digital RF that's affordable
>>2783091
as above. XPro1 isn't a RF
>>2783096
I've only admitted that i probably will be doing studio in the future. I'm looking for something digital that would replace my Rollei 35 while travelling and everyday shooting.
And to all of you above. I only asked should I have in mind future usage of digital, or just screw it and go with whatever I want and what suits me for now
>>2783127
If you're going to be doing studio in the future, fucking get a pentax 675z for that and keep shooting whatever you're shooting now for not studio.
>>2783127
>Maybe, but point me out another digital RF that's affordable
There's only one other digital rangefinder with a physical rangefinder.
>as above. XPro1 isn't a RF
It's the closest you'll get without just flat out burning money. The M mount adapter is pretty good desu.
>I don't care about newer technology, camera which took great photos 10 years ago will als take great photos now, it's simple principle
Electronic cameras that took subpar photos 10 years ago because the sensor is too sensitive to IR will take the same shots today. Only now with corrosion and no spare parts.
This isn't a mechanical beast that will last you 30 years, despite what the red dot and Leica name may lead you to believe.
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>>2783127
>as above. XPro1 isn't a RF
Well, enjoy your overpriced outdated clumsy pain in the ass then I guess?
>>2783127
>camera which took great photos 10 years ago will als take great photos now, it's simple principle
The M8 never took great photos.
It was a shit camera when it came out. It's a shit camera now.
You have an attraction to it because you desperately wish to own a Leica for some sense of credential, but can't afford even an M9 (a marginal camera) much less an M240 or Q (genuinely good cameras)
Buy what you wanna buy, but know that literally only gearfags buy M8s. They rarely keep them in the end. That's why they're in your price range.
Since what you truly want is the name, buy glass instead. Use it on a mirrorless. Your photographs will be better and the camera more responsive.
This thread is now xpro1 images using rangefinder glass. :^)
Leitz 90mm f4, artistic impression of OP in the presence of elder Leica users.
>>2783140
25mm f4 CV
>>2783142
more 25mm f4 CV
>>2783143
m8 files would require multiple exposures to take most of these, btw. A more recent camera like an xpro1 can handle most tasks with one exposure.
Gearfagging over specs within a generation or two is pointless, sure. Lusting over an M8 is just disregarding all evidence that you shouldn't buy the camera, though.
25mm f4 CV yet again
>>2783127
>but point me out another digital RF that's affordable
There are none, and there's a reason; the others are all either not shit, or not rangefinders.
You're going to feel pretty stupid when you blow your whole wad on a terrible camera, and then because of that, have to ALSO use terrible lenses on that terrible camera. Sounds like a blast...
>>2783127
>I don't care about newer technology, camera which took great photos 10 years ago will als take great photos now, it's simple principle
The thing is though that nowadays there are much better alternatives for a lower price. I mean >>2783139 is wrong of course. The M8 does take decent photographs. 10MP is enough if you are not planning to make big prints. And the lack of anti aliasing filter makes the images sharp BUT also prone to moire. And removing moire isn't always easy and I am not sure if even always possible. The low light capabilities are also pretty bad. ISO 2500 is still usable, mainly because CCD noise looks better than CMOS noise but it will make you wish for more. Then there is the crop factor. Unlike with other cameras there are no lenses specially designed with the crop factor in mind. So if you want a 35mm FOV you need to get a ~28mm lens which often will be slower/more expensive. Also the framelines are not very accurate and with 10MP you really don't want to waste space. You will also get parallax with close subjects.
I understand how you feel. A Leica is tempting. But it's not a camera for people on a budget. To get the full Leica experience you need a Leica lens too and these are expensive. IMO in practice the joy from using a modern camera is bigger in the long run. When you have that comfortable EVF that lets you see what you will get, an auto focus that allows you to react quickly and low light capabilities that widen the range of your photography.
>>2783176
>I mean >>2783139 (You) is wrong of course. The M8 does take decent photographs.
Notice how you couldn't bring yourself to say 'great' either.
The M8 has had objectively terrible image quality since its first inception.
It's possible to escape prosaic artistic posturing long enough to admit that certain cameras are very poor performers without compromising ones understanding that, yes, even a pinhole camera can produce art when used well.
A pinhole camera is still a pretty shitty piece of technology. Just like an M8, but cheaper.
>>2783127
guy, have you seen the fuji x100 cameras? I got the x100s one, its a grrrrreat camera! Although I mostly shoot film, its the closest thing to a filmcamera, but it isnt. :O
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>>2783202
does this intentionally look like an asshole
>>2783221
a vagayjyay
>>2782990
ok, Leica Monochrom Rangefinder, or M9
Studio work with either a A7rMk2 with zeiss and gmaster glass. OR Xf100MP
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Camera-Systems/XF100MP.aspx
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>Epson RD-1
Don't have one, but it's a rangefinder and it's digital.
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>>2782990
>Nikon D3
Good choice, but do you want to shoot sports? If not, you do not need the high frame rate in my opinion. If you want to go the less expensive way, get a nice D700 instead. It's a fucking workhorse that'll withstand almost anything. 5D3 is only good if you don't want to process your images too much as it suffers from a lack of dynamic range (the shadows get very noisy and banding will appear when pushing them more than a stop).
>>2782990
Why are you against buying a Sony A7II? Or even an A6000 if that's too much?
It's reasonably compact and you can get very good results adapting old manual lenses on it, so you could probably get some use out of your current equipment.
That said, you should get the camera you're attracted to. If you see yourself using the M8, then get it. The most important thing is that you go out and take pictures with it.
I have a Canon 5DmkII and an A6000.
The Canon is a fantastic camera but you aren't going to carry that thing with you everyday. When I do go out and shoot with it, I have fun. When I do jobs and stuff, it's the one I bring.
But my A6000 fits in my glovebox or my bag. So it gets more use.
>>2783202
$1000 for a fixed focal length is the last thing OP needs.
and that photo is way underexposed.
>>2785129
He's already looking at the Q which also has a fixed lens and costs 4 times as much as an X100T. It's a perfectly reasonable recommendation.
Also, lmao at how butthurt you are that nobody recommended your favorite gear. Why do you care?
>>2785089
>tfw no epson camera
>>2785129
you can get a wide and teleconverter.
so that's 3 focal length.
>>2783146
why would anyone waste even a single exposure in capturing these?
>>2785271
>tfw mom buys you a hewlett packard camera
Sony RX-1
>>2785236
He wants an M8 but is worried about versatility. Why on Earth would an X100 be a better choice?
>>2785334
>Derail a gear thread with photos.
Glad /p/ is at least being honest with their hostility towards literally the main purpose of the board.
About the M8, I don't think it's a good idea nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXU24ojagWM
>>2785428
Because if hes into fixed lebses the x100t costs 25% as much. Do you really not understand this you gearfagging piece of shit?
>>2785434
I'd rather have new gear discussion that reposts of reposts of reposts.
>>2785323
The guy on the TV shopping channel said that it's a professional camera!
>>2785559
>slr-style
Kek
>>2785089
I want an R-D1 for those analog dials and dat lever but the price is just too high for a camera with a 6MP x1.5 crop sensor from 2002.
Wish they updated it with a new, full frame, sensor.
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>>2785572
>film lever on a 'digital' body
this is pure sex right there.
>>2785572
Yeah, they had everything figured out, and then Fuji came and carbon copy the idea and now is known as good designers...
I hope Voigtlander/Cosina try another take on digital cameras, that time using E-mount.
Just need to fit the guts of the A7II on the R-D1 that is basically a digital Bessa.
>>2785603
>I hope Voigtlander/Cosina try another take on digital cameras, that time using E-mount.
They won't. Cosina have been on the ropes for a while, it's why there are no more Bessa cameras in production.
The biggest hope for a Digital RF is from Zenit who recently started up again.
>and then Fuji came and carbon copy the idea and now is known as good designers...
Nothing really wrong with them doing that. They've spotted a gap in the market and filled it. I don't see many other manufacturers putting shutter speed dials, aperture rings and even an OVF with framelines in digital cameras these days.
>>2785603
I think it's a pretty major stretch to call the Fujis "carbon copies." They look and feel like rangefinders, but the way they operate is totally different.
I remember when the X100 was first announced, and there was actually a lot of "what the fuck is Fuji doing" naysaying from the community. It wasn't until the camera got into people's hands and people were able to see how it actually performed that it really exploded.
