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Can we get a Sigma Merrill Thread going? Just checked the prices,
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Can we get a Sigma Merrill Thread going?

Just checked the prices, holy shit they went up. They are about 700$ these days. I remember seeing them go for $300 or less about a year and a half ago.
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>>2857503
I don't have one, but I'd like to see this thread do well. Merrill cameras are pretty much my go-to for great interesting tech that's never used to produce anything that I find interesting. Most of the shots seem to be stuff that should have been taken on a cell phone, by people who thought they were buying a point and shoot.
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>>2857510
>Most of the shots seem to be stuff that should have been taken on a cell phone, by people who thought they were buying a point and shoot.

this x1000.

id buy one just to see what it can do, because all i find on flickr is ugly people in shitty situations. not a single good portrait. not a single bechers styled serie (i think this camera would excel at that). no thomas ruff style super detailed deadpan portraits. nothing, just terrible snapshits.
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>>2857510
>by people who thought they were buying a point and shoot.
What do you mean? Is it a hard to use camera or something?
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>>2857517

its more of a technical camera, that most people are using as a snapshitting machine. i think that was a marketing error.
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>>2857517
Yes, it's difficult. They're slow, have poor autofocus, terrible battery life (like, in perfect conditions, less than 100 photos per charge, reports of as few as 40 photos per charge) atrocious high ISO, bad write speeds, etc.

The people who are happy with them say to approach it like a very small medium format film camera in terms of speed and performance.
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>>2857528
Oh, and you can't process the photos in anything but their (clunky, unpleasant) proprietary software, unless I've missed something in the past year or so.
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>>2857527
Everywhere on the internet everyone complains about all its limitations and talks about how special purpose it is, I really don't know how all these people end up accidentally buying this obscure camera which is pretty expensive for a point and shoot. Do the salespeople at Best Buy upsell these cameras to clueless soccermoms just for fun?

Personally I've toyed with the idea of getting the 50mm equivalent one for when I want a slower more deliberate partner to my GR, but I think the biggest things stopping me are the pain in the ass file processing workflow and the pile of batteries I'm going to have to carry around when I'm shooting.
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>>2857541
Many people who like photography don't spend time hanging out on the internet. They go and they buy what they think they want. If they see one that's more expensive, they think it's better.
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>>2857541

dunno about all that.

i think since you wont be snapshitting your way with it, a single battery is more than sufficient for city stuff.

i recall having a big erection for the DP2 but i ended discarding it because despite how awesomely great does it render the properly exposed areas of the image, shadows had color smears and nasty unfixable shit. then they went and dumbed down the sensor with the Quattro, so we wont have a true foveon updated sensor anytime soon or ever. oh well.
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>>2857546
>i think since you wont be snapshitting your way with it, a single battery is more than sufficient for city stuff.
I only have anecdotal reports, but I've seen multiple people say they only got 40 photos out of a single charge. For people who are specifically out to shoot photos, chances are good that straight up isn't enough.

People bitch about mirrorless cameras having only 300 shots per charge.

>shadows had color smears and nasty unfixable shit
Yeah, you really have to pick your scenes nearly perfectly to get the full potential from the cameras, and if you don't, it comes out a lot worse than it would have with a normal camera.
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Australian ebay has dp2 Merrill's for $550 aus brand new if people are wanting one relatively cheaply.
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>>2857514
>not a single bechers styled serie (i think this camera would excel at that). no thomas ruff style super detailed deadpan portraits. nothing, just terrible snapshits.
nice references bro
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So apparently I'm the only owner of one who's posted yet?

>>2857546
>a single battery is more than sufficient for city stuff.
Kek. No really it isn't. One battery will last about an hour of actually using the camera. Definitely less than that, if you don't let it turn itself off between shots, or take a lot of shots.

It's ok for tripod work, but even then, there are a few limitations. The screen doesn't move, so you have to be directly behind it to see your comp and focus.
Also, the punch in for accurate MF can only zoom into one of the 9 "AF points" arranged in a grid on the camera, so of course very often that isn't precisely over the area you want to focus on. You can't zoom in and scroll around the image.
Also, they're focus by wire, so accurate MF is a total pain in the ass. The digital distance scale on the back screen when you MF is cool though.

The VERY WORST THING about the camera though, is the ten second delay for image review. It takes so long to write files, and that just massively compromises your enjoyment of using it.
Using flashes on a tripod just kills me, waiting and waiting to see what the exposure looked like, before moving the flash a few inches and trying again.

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>>2857635
An hour? Perhaps if you take one photo every 5 minutes.

And if it's cold, like well below freezing, expect to only get around 15 shots before the battery is kaput.
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>>2857635
>So apparently I'm the only owner of one who's posted yet?

yes, you are a camera owner.

post a landscape or portrait, something with intent, that stupid test photo is useless.
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>>2857701
Well I mainly use real cameras when I go out shooting, so I don't have much with the Sigma.
You'll note that most of my gear shots, such as the /fgt/ OPs are taken with it, when they're not film, as at home next to a battery charger and a computer are the only times I find it practical.
>posting photos of people on 4channel
Never
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>>2857635
My dp2 is in the post at the moment. How do you find editing the stupid raws it makes? Us the sigma software for the bare minimum and then export?
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>>2857708
Well I use it as much as I would use any raw converter.
It has really amazing powers of highlight recovery when you drag down the exposure slider and push the "X3 Fill Light" slider a little, so I will often do that. Very important, because when using the camera, you really need to give as much exposure as possible, and skies can often start to blow out, etc.
But yeah, just exposure and WB adjustments, then I export to complete editing in GIMP.
It's very slow at generating 100% previews and also there's a couple of seconds lag for every slider adjustment

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Been borrowing a DP3M from my Sigma rep last 4 weeks or so, not sure how much longer I'll have it but been pretty interesting. Definitely a unique camera to use, and IQ is amazing, but just too annoying to use (in terms of af speed, battery life, can only use 100-400 iso, etc).

If there's any examples wanted, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
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Out of curiosity, what lenses are you using on yours? I presume you guys roll with adapters instead of native SA lenses
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>>2857934
Ah, built in lenses, my bad - of course as long you don't have their DSLR
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>>2857724
More hot sweaty Smegma action.
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>>2858004
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>>2858017

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bought a dp2m recently, still on the fence, might sell it for something better for everyday carry. I've only been shooting racing the past month, not really suited to this camera.

it's about as usable as my first digital camera from 2003. it's stupid as hell and I wish IQ was worse so I could just sell it and move on.

(not in this pic, but) am I processing wrong, or does this sensor really like funky yellow/green dead plant type colors?
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>>2858110

that yellow paint looks tasty as fuck.
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>>2858110
>does this sensor really like funky yellow/green
I think it likes colour, full stop.
And texture.

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>>2858225
And light.
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>>2858110

Fucking ace photo anon.
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>>2858225
What I do dislike about the "drawing" of this camera though is the handling of stacks of fine detail, like these bush pics, as opposed to texture, like in skin, or the surface of a fleaf.
Just too much of that sweet 'microcontrast' yo.
I actually applied blur to this photo before downsizing, just to reduce the jagginess.

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>>2858228

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>>2858228
>I actually applied blur to this photo before downsizing, just to reduce the jagginess.
what the fuck did you do to that file? this is raping my eyes
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First and only time I've taken my DP2 out, which was months ago. Obligatory sunrise shot.

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>>2858378
Different angle. Colors are less intense, which is not because I pumped up the saturation in the first image.

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>>2858383
100% crop

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>>2858383
i like this photo.

>>2858384

holy fuck.

foveon renders water like no one else (except film of course), not even top of the line digi full frame.
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>>2857724
Thanks mate. Looks like it's lucky the camera is so slow to write files, if the sigma software is that clunky to use. I'm pumped for this thing to arrive now, it's snapshitting time.
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>>2857878
Post any good shots you've got mate, I'm sure everyone is keen to see some more foveon goodness.
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>>2857724
>>2858396
in addition to exposure stuff, for absolute most detail, sharpness to -1.0 and noise reduction to minimum
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These sensors will never be more than a novelty and the current crop of cameras that has them are nothing more than useless little tech demo toys.

"Le colors" is a pointless gimmick that only affects the weak willed and those who have buyer's remorse.

It's be just to forget about them altogether.
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>>2858588
>My opinion is right opinion
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I just bought the DP2M. Using it in tandem with a viewfinder (Like the 0.7x 40mm Voigtlander one) seems like the best way to eek more battery life out of the camera.

The thing I like about the camera is that it produces images that are literally representative in terms of detail rendition. No bullshit bayer colour smearing, no x-trans detail smearing and speckling (after having used x-trans for 2 years, I'm overwhelmed by how fake and unreal the detail looks), completely natural images that require no sharpening or contrast enhancements of any kind are produced from wide open, in a neat package.

The battery thing is a thorn, but they're hardly expensive.

Btw, there's a converter available online that makes the files into DNG's, which in tandem with exiftools and a batch file makes it almost as painless as any other camera to develop raws, although I admit it takes a bit of time to do the dng conversion.

Anyone saying they've not seen a good picture taken with a DP2M should have a look at the camera pool on Flickr, especially landscapes, there are stunning shots that take advantage of the sharpness afforded by both lens and sensor.

Picture included is a 100% crop at f/6.3
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Another 100% crop, foveon renders water like nothing else. Bayer and X-trans can come nowhere near to rendering detail like this, simply because of the nyquist theorem. This is intense visual porn for me, like I can't see why foveon hasn't got a bigger market share.
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>>2858646
Looks pretty much like a 100% crop from a ~20mp camera with bayer filter to me.
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>>2858726
On the left, what the subject actually looked like, on the right all semblance of high frequency signal smeared away, and texture is simply guesswork. In 10 years time we'll all be using something resembling foveon. No aliasing, no fakeness. Just reality quantified into little cells.
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>>2858735
psst.
just get a bentax k1 or k3ii.
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>>2858739
I think those are also huge advances in photographic realness. If I wanted to go all the way back to DSLR format (which I very well might in two years if photography starts to be profitable again) I will purchase those or one of their evolutions, I imagine future cameras will increase the speed with which the pixel shift occurs. The DP2M is just perfect for me, I love the idea of slowing down my photography. I'm happy to take fewer photographs, because I'll choose my shots better when I do take them, also It's perfect for photogrammetry if anyone's in to it, but will require lots of batteries.
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How sharp is the lens on the dp1m compared to the dp2m? I love the dp2 but I'd prefer a wider focal length
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>>2858819
It's good.
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>>2858819
It is very sharp. Just as good as the GR.
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OK, my dp2 has just arrived, why does it always turn on in auto ISO? My manual is in Nipponese.
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>>2859462
It doesn't.
You're dumb.
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>>2859556
I am dumb. You have to save it to the custom settings section.
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>>2857635
>The VERY WORST THING about the camera though, is the ten second delay for image review

I'm getting an image review within 1-2 ssconds?
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>>2859585
You must be doing something wrong then.
Are you accidentally shooting jpegs?
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>>2859591
Nope, shooting raw+jpeg.
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Are the non-Merrill DP's any good? They're selling pretty cheap.
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>>2859720
Not really. The Merrill is the more polished higher quality iteration.
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Took the dp2 out for the first time today

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I've got a DP2M, still need to take it out properly for a shoot, mostly it goes in my bag when I'm hiking so I'm not lugging a tripod with me, which is what this camera would probably benefit most from.

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>>2859462
I had a similar problem where the settings would always reset. Then I realized I had it set on a custom setting mode instead of the one I wanted.
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>>2859585
Are you looking at the immediate low-res image review right after you take the photo, or the full res after pressing the play button and the red light stops blinking?
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>>2857503
I own two DP2 Merrills. VERY NICE camera. The unbefuckinglievable detailed images the sensor produces really makes me wonder why no one of the big companies buys the Foveon, invests some R&D, and makes it ready for everyday-users. Because on the other side, the camera/sensor is A BITCH at its current state of development. Native only on the ISO-100-level, the camera is too slow for most light conditions outdoors, which means a tripod is always a must have if you want shake free pictures. And the backend electronics of the camera processing the raw images eats batteries like shit. The good news is, there are some cheap third party batteries out there, they cost just a few bucks and they are reliable.

After all, i love the Merrills. The sensor makes me even NOT to buy a DSLR in the price range i should, i want to buy a Fuji X-T1 or X-T10 for the last six months. But there is NO way even a todays midrange camera can beat the Foveon of the Merrills under best conditions. That holds me really back.The next best pictures really impressing me are pictures taken with Fuji X-Pro2 or Sony's RX1R-II (withe the 42MP sensor made by Sony). But they are bit over my budget (i talk about pictures more less straight out of the camera, for me that is actually a thing which counts).
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>>2858110
24"x16" print as a test for the camera and for mpix.

pretty satisfied, leaning towards not selling the dp2m now.

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Camera SoftwareGIMP 2.8.16
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Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color Area
Focal Length (35mm Equiv)31 mm
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Exposure ProgramNormal Program
ISO Speed Rating64
Lens Aperturef/2.2
Brightness3.8 EV
Exposure Bias0 EV
Metering ModeCenter Weighted Average
Light SourceUnknown
FlashNo Flash
Focal Length4.20 mm
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Image Width921
Image Height691
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>>2860530

do you have some pictures with the DP2?
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>>2860295

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damn that looks sweet. looks literally like some high sat slide film. more?
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>>2860295
>the tones
goddamn. nice.
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>>2861898
>as a test for the camera and for mpix
when will you gearfaggots learn?
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>>2861898
Nice pic bruv.
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>>2860420
Sorry mate, I've led you astray, as I was referring to the low res shitter. Proper review does take forever.

>>2861907
>>2861918
Thanks lads. I'm very impressed with this cam, that pic had very little pp done to it, super impressive sooc raws. I've got a couple of others but they are relatively shit, as I was getting all sorts of weird over/under exposures. Finally figured out the previous owner had it set up on auto bracket lol.

>>2861898
Looks good man, that paint really pops.
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>>2862055
Heres one of the only other good ones, sorry about the size but I'm on mobile.

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