I know there have been a thousand threads about Trump rallies and protests, but I went out to one in San Diego and figured I might as well post my photos here too. Before I write anything else though, I'm aware this is /p/ and people on here are assholes, so rather than just saying photos are shit, let's be constructive. I'm not a photojournalist so this kind of photography is foreign to me. And I'm not a fan of the low saturation, low contrast, high noise images, so I'm sorry if that's what you like, this is not that. If you like them, good, if not just be constructive is all I'm saying.
Okay, so I will try to post these in chronological order, the best my memory will allow, and I will also just write a small snippet about the photo to give a little bit of the story of what's going on.
This first photo is not early on in the protests, just a good hook image.
This was taken right after I was leaving the rally inside the convention center. The police had arrested a protester that threw something at them. They advanced the line to grab the protester, and this is when they were retreating after the arrest was completed
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>>2852473
This guy with the "Don't Tread on Me" flag had just arrived at the protest and was trying to move into the "Trump Protesters Free Speech Area" (It's fucking stupid that they have a free speech area). The police stopped him and informed him that he was allowed to have the flag, but the flag pole could not be brought into the area, probably because it could be used as a weapon. Here in the photo, the police man is trying to cut the flag from the pole, but he was unable to, so the flag guy just stayed out in the nearby street
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>>2852474
I took quite a few photos of this guy. The white guy with the bald head and beard was a pro-trump protester. He was making some pretty inflammatory statements to get people fired up. It worked pretty well, within minutes of being there, he had 30 people surrounding him, and a lot of them were media.
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>>2852475
As this guy continued to talk, more and more people moved into the area and started filming and screaming at him
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>>2852476
These were the people the bald guy was upsetting. They were standing across the street, in the free speech area yelling back at him. I took a few photos of these people here too, simply because they looked interesting and were the most animated.
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>>2852477
The irony of some of the protesters is pretty hilarious. They preach acceptance and yell how hateful Trump is. In this photo, that guy was holding a sign that read "Trump=Hate" while they were blaring a song titled "Fuck Donald Trump" while they flipped off the trump supporters. I'll also talk about the multiple Trump supporters that were assaulted during the "peaceful" protests
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>>2852479
Here's another photo of the protesters in the free speech area reacting to the bald man. I'm not sure why he was giving the black power hand, the man was talking about religion and the border wall while this guy was talking about black pride
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>>2852480
More clashing between the two sides, but this was outside of the free speech area. Obviously ,there's nothing the police can do because free speech really isn't limited to a small area
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>>2852483
These people came in what seemed to be a large parade float down the street. It was bizarre because they weren't really protesting Trump, they were a bunch of Maids, like hotel maids and stuff, talking about raising the wage? I wasn't quite sure because their signs read "Stop the rape". These women were dressed up like butterflies which I can only assume is a reference to migrating Monarch butterflies. These protesters were well organized and peaceful, but lacked any sort of visible message.
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>>2852484
Again with the bald guy, and this Trump protester, I don't recall what they were yelling about, but obviously, it got heated. They had to be pulled away from each other to stop a fight from breaking out
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>>2852485
Before the actually rally started, there was a sizeable police presence. They were basically there to assist people in getting where they needed to go, and making sure people stayed off the trolly tracks.
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>>2852489
All the police before the rally were prepped with some riot gear, nothing serious, it was basically just these riot masks. But it would get a lot more serious as the Trump supporters were leaving the building.
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>>2852490
The line to get into the rally was massive, stretching close to a quarter mile long, possibly longer. I got in line an hour before the rally was scheduled to start, and it took about a half hour to get in. Online it said that cameras with interchangeable lenses were not allowed into the event, even the security monitoring the lines said that I might not be able to get in ( I had an a7r with a canon 24-70 and a a6300 with a stock lens). As I got into the convention center there were about 20 lines for metal detectors and secret service/police searching bags. I got up to the front, and they just made sure that the lens was a real operating lens. They just turned the camera on and checked it out, I was informed that there were hollowed out lenses people would store guns inside, and that's why they don't like people having large lenses in the event. But I was able to get in no problem with a relatively large lens
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>>2852493
Inside the rally, it was pretty peaceful, everyonce in a while there would be a protester, but Secret Service would scoop them up immediately. These are the Trump supporters I was standing near during the rally
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>>2852496
Just a picture of a kid enjoying the rally
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>>2852483
this outstanding composition.
>>2852497
I can't remember if Trump was speaking when I took this photo. But I know that Sarah Palin spoke, some guy that looked like Anthony Weiner, and then finally Trump.
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>>2852473
Why is it that non bernouts, or at least bernouts that can restrain their emotion in the political sphere, take objectively better pictures?
Well done, OP.
>>2852513
Thank you! It was tough getting in there. With all the cameras already pushed into the small space, I was glad to get any shots at all
>>2852515
These people were standing in front of me, I thought they didn't fit in, seeing as the women had short dyke haircuts. But I figured who cares, they probably just don't fit the mold. But of course half way into the rally, she rips her Trump shirt off, then PUNCHES a veteran in the head, but Secret Service picked her up in less than 5 seconds. I'm not even exagerating, they already could tell she was a protester and secret service was scattered through the crowd near people that were possible protesters. She got taken away, I don't think they got charged with anything, because some other protesters actually took their shirts of (they were women) and I saw them outside of the even smiling. I'll post a picture of them later
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>>2852490
I also like this composition.
I see you are using a Sony A7. I like the focus peaking on the A&. I realize it has some shortcomings (lens selections, etc.), but I find it easy to shoot.
>>2852526
Not sure. I feel like they've fallen into the trap of "modern photography". Where they feel like you don't need the subject in focus, no composition, and bad exposure. I saw in another thread, a photographer that took photos at a Trump rally defend his photos being out of focus by saying something like "It's a statement on Trumps candidacy in general. No focus and no direction in his policies, so I took an out of focus picture". Not sure why they take those kind of photos. Of course I'm always down for some CC, as long as it truly is constructive and based in reality.
>>2852527
Of course, I had to take a photo of trump speaking. Because I got there 30 minutes before he spoke, I wasn't as close as I would've liked. I was still able to sneak through pretty close, until people started getting upset at me cutting in front of them. I have this photo in color too, it's hard to decide which I like better
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>>2852535
Yeah absolutely. I used manual focus for the entire time I was taking photos at the rally. I usually keep my focus peaking on low or medium depending on the situation, with a red highlight, and I use the zebras as well. Because I was shooting in a hectic environment, you'll notice most of my photos are f 4.5, just because I didn't want to miss a shot with missed focus. I think the dof is still reasonable for most of these photos.
>>2852537
I left the rally a bit early to make sure I got some of the protests outside. I had to leave early because I was going out of town, and I just wanted to get more protesters. As soon as I got outside, I noticed the scene was a lot different. Now there were hundreds of police, with "less lethal" guns, mace paintball guns, knight sticks, etc.
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>>2852542
The protesters outside had grown to be more violent, more agitated, and certainly louder. The sun also came out, which was good for some more colorful photos
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>>2852545
One of the biggest things I noticed was that not a single protester carried a US flag, it was all Mexican flags, or anti-fascism flags. This is quite upsetting considering these people are the same ones burning US flags and yelling racist at all the Patriots. These protesters were some of the worst individuals I've seen in my life
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>>2852547
I witnessed a protester smash their skateboard over a Trump supporters head twice as the police were escourting him away from the angry crowds. I didn't get a good picture, it was out of focus because I couldn't see them over the massive crowd. But I did get a shot of some blood that came from another Trump supporter getting assaulted
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>>2852547
>yelling racist at all the Patriots
okay there, trumpette
>>2852552
This is the level or respect we are dealing with here. Not a great photo, but notice the planter these people absolutely destroyed. They did thousands of dollars of damage to just the plants in the area, obviously they don't give a shit. I tried to stay as neutral as possible, I think showing this is important though
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I went to see Trump speak a the NRA-ILA conference. There were ZERO disruptions likely because: (1) it was a pay event; (2) you had to be a NRA member; and (3) outside the speaking area most people were armed. ( I took the picture with my cell phone).
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>>2852555
Sorry, trying to stay neutral, but I think that's a good description. They were yelling at people carrying US flags, while they are holding mexican flags. Not to mention the signs I saw that said "Make America Mexico Again" I don't think I could label them a patriot of the US, do you?
>>2852556
Near where the police were guarding the convention center, the protesters started assaulting the police, full on punching them, because a protester was getting arrested. I'm not sure what initiated the arrest, but this was the aftermath of the police getting hit by the peaceful protesters.
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>>2852557
Yeah, I'm sure it had more to do with the people there being armed to the teeth. I've seen videos of paid events and the protesters were still there, outside. But I'm sure it being a paid event stopped a lot of protesters from entering
>>2852559
Ooops forgot to use my name on the other posts
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>>2852527
This guy was upset because a Trump supporter bumped into him. This was during an interview he was giving to KTLA or something.
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>>2852564
I'm going to start going through and posting photos I forgot to post in chronological order.
I took more photos of this guy. He was doing a lot of good posing and posturing which I thought looked good on camera, and in the morning, there really wasn't a lot of action going on
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>>2852566
Another photo of the bald guy making inflammatory statements. There were a lot of angry protesters surrounding him, and I suspect he was a professional protester of some sort, he seemed to know exactly what he was doing and was trying to agitate people. Notice the other photographer, not staying neutral to the event. You can't be a journalist while you're screaming your head off at the protesters
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>>2852572
This was taken as I was getting out of the event. As I mentioned before, the police presence had grown significantly since I had entered. If anybody requests it, I have a wide shot from a high angle of all the police. It's a shitty photo, so I won't post unless its requested
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You've got an outstanding series of quality composition shots. I don't know what, if any, post processing you've done, but I like the color and contrast on all. Well done.
>>2852579
This was a Trump supporter entering the rally. He was getting interviewed by an unlabeled crew. I thought his outfit was interesting so snapped a photo
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>>2852580
Thank you! I processed all of these in Adobe Camera Raw. For the color photos I usually slide the highlights almost all the way down, shadows all the way up, then I adjust the black and white points to the point where they almost clip. After that I will adjust clarity and bump up the vibrancy and saturation to my liking. Any other adjustments are on a per-photo basis depending on the colors. I will also add a radial adjustment to lower exposure and create a vignette like effect to draw the eye to a certain spot in the photo. If you'd like I can post a screenshot of the settings I used for one of my photos?
>>2852581
This is one of the last photos I'll post, that are my favorites, I will post more photos if it's requested.
This photo was taken as another protester was getting arrested. The crowd was getting heated and started throwing things at the officers, mostly just bottles and stuff. The guy that got arrested was hauled away very quickly.
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>>2852589
This is just another police officer that I saw outside of the event. They were pretty helpful in general, and were assisting everyone, letting them know where to go and which areas to stay within
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>>2852598
And here is the protester that took off her shirt, as I mentioned here >>2852527 I don't like this photo from a photography standpoint, just showing interesting people
She got thrown out of the rally for obvious reasons.
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>>2852599
And here is another interesting person. She was a protester. I'm not sure what she was laughing at in this photo, but I had witnessed her grab a trump supporters sign rip it up and say "ehh, freedom hahaha" She is obviously going for the shock value
>>2852600
Oops, forgot the photo!!
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>>2852601
If there are requests for more photos, questions about the photos, or anything else, I will monitor the thread and post more if you want me to.
Any Constructive criticism is welcomed!
One of the best threads I've ever seen on this board. Granted, there are some meh photos, but the overall quality is leaps and bounds above just about everyone that has posted here. Good job.
>>2852607
Thank you, I appreciate it. Yeah of course there are some photos in there that are mediocre, but some of them might be needed to show the whole story, or I just felt like something in the photo was interesting. I wish I would've been in town for the Bernie rally, but I'll keep my fingers crossed for more events like this.
>>2852589
Post the screen shot of your settings.
>>2852617
Here's a screenshot of one of the photos in this thread. Like I said, this type of processing works better for color photos, B&W photos will lose a lot of contrast using this method, so I don't use it for B&W. But the order I do the processing in is this
1. Turn on highlight and shadow clipping warning
2. Bring highlights all the way down, shadow all the way up
3. Adjust the white and black point to get the image close to clipping or to your satisfaction.
4. Adjust Clarity
5. Adjust vibrance and saturation
6. Make small adjustments to highlights and shadows as I might see fit.
Sometimes bringing the shadows and highlights all the way to one side will give an odd look, so I will tone it down sometimes, just like in the screenshot here.
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>>2852617
For B&W I know I'll get hate on here, but I love to abuse the clarity slider even harder. In this photo, I also used a radial adjusment to add a vignette. It was a very squished "oval" shape to vignette around both men
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>>2852599
Troll Stat kek.
>>2852605
Criticism? Dude, with all due respect for journalistic standards in general, your work is more something to learn from than to criticise or improve. The commentary/filenames add an extra layer to the images, further increasing their journalistic value. By all means, post more of your photos from the rally and throw in that wide angle police shot, I'm curious to know what falls under your definition of shitty.
>>2853202
Yeah, I understand. I guess I was thinking even criticism along the lines of processing the images would be welcome too. I tried my best not to over-do the processing.
Here is the wide of the police, it's just a snapshit I just wanted to show a few people how large the police presence was at this event. I couldn't even capture the entire group of police. They were lining the entire road leading up to this point, guarding the Trump supporters from the protesters
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>>2853307
Here's another shot of the protesters in the "free speech zone", a designated area for them to protest in. Like I mentioned before, the protesters only had Mexican flags or Anti-Fascism flags, there was not a US flag to be seen, except for the few Trump supporters that would wander into that area
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>>2853311
This group of protesters were more organized than any of the other groups there, however, their protest was a bit confusing for me. Rather than protesting a political figure, they were protesting something about janitors. I assume they were talking about wages with maids and janitor services, but their message was lost to me when I read the sign saying "Stop the Rape"
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>>2853313
Here's one more of the pro-Trump protester that was there purely for the purpose of agitating protesters. He seemed like he knew what he was doing, because he had the words "holy" and "Bible" Written out in big block letters on his bible to play it up for the camera, and some had mentioned that he was also protesting up in the LA area, so he might be doing this professionally some how. In this photo, another photojournalist couldn't handle it and got into the protest herself.
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>>2853319
This is probably the last photo I feel is up to my standards to post, and ironically this is one of the first photos I took at the event.
There were three young black kids, who I can only assume were brothers, standing by themselves in the crowd of protesters. Each one of them had signs criticizing Trump in some way.
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>trying to stay neutral
You didn't succeed though.
Otherwise I think these are pretty good photos in the documentary/reportage sense. The ones in which you tried to be a bit more artistic don't really work in my opinion; perhaps you should stick to your strengths. The color processing to me is a bit oversaturated, but that's a subjective stylistic opinion I guess.
My favs:
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>>2852581
As someone from a country where the national flag is quite strictly only displayed on flag days, and displaying it otherwise gets you labelled as an extreme right winger or nazi pretty quickly, this looks extremely weird and silly. I mean that's clearly overdone as a joke anyway, but still.
>>2853370
>You didn't succeed though.
True, but in the photographic sense, I did stay neutral, I didn't depict one side to be worse than the other for the most part. I think only my commentary here would lead you to believe I am a Trump supporter.
Just curious. Can you pick out the ones that you mention me trying to be more artistic, and didn't work out? I'd just like to know which ones those are.
>The color processing to me is a bit oversaturated
I can completely understand, here on /p/ it seems the general consensus is more muted colors, so I know that the color ones probably won't be ass appreciated.
And yeah, the people that wear American flags are more just trying to prove a point. I'd say it's pretty rare to come across someone wearing anything close to that here in the US
Good pics anon
>>2853370
>flag days
where are you from?
>>2853634
Not him but that's the case here in Spain
>>2853640
that just sounds very odd to me, because here in the states people wear the flag all the time
>>2852484
The worst kind of people. Protesting for the act, not the message.
>>2853695
That's all these protests are. It's turned into such a mess that people go there expecting a riot, expecting violence, and expecting crazy people. And they end up getting sucked into it themselves.
The odd thing about the protesters in that photo is that they were un-related to a political protest. They were protesting for higher wages, which then devolved into people bringing over Trump pinatas and smashing them.
Pic unrelated, just another photo from that day
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The pictures are pretty but also extremely editorialized, which is the problem with most photojournalism.
>>2852572
>Holding a lens while shooting
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>>2853721
What do mean by editorialized? Like I've processed them too much?
>>2853724
I think the bigger problem there was that she was arguing instead of shooting. If you're trying to get some good photos and act like a photojournalist, you can't partake in the protests. She got triggered, and couldn't even do her job
>>2852489
>They were basically there to assist people in getting where they needed to go
Such as the back of a squad car?
>>2852547
>burning US flags and yelling racist at all the Patriots
What are you implying, that if you're not a trump supporter you're automatically unpatriotic?
>>2852559
Does that gun say less lethal? Kek
>>2852564
>This guy was upset because a Trump supporter bumped into him
Oh so that's the reason he was upset? It didn't have anything to do with what he was protesting about?
>>2852572
>inflammatory statements
It's literally just flamebaiting, no different from the anti trump protestors spouting extreme shit about nazis and fascism.
Anyways this whole thread is just you doing exactly what the bald guy is doing, you start with some cheap shock value to get people interested but then you distance yourself from it with a position of false neutrality so that anyone who disagrees with you loses credibility. That essentially makes it trolling on two vectors; people get pissed at your shit talking, and then more people get pissed at the "objective" persona you're putting on
>>2853725
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/editorialize
Here you go buddy.
>>2853726
>Such as the back of a squad car?
No, they were actually taking them inside the convention center. I know they were arrested, but I don't know if they were always charged. I did witness the protesters actually assaulting the police, so I assume they were charged severely in that case.
>What are you implying, that if you're not a trump supporter you're automatically unpatriotic?
No, I'm simply implying that by burning the US flag you aren't patriotic. Don't inject your insecurities.
>Does that gun say less lethal?
Yeah, it does. I'm not sure what that meant. I assume it's some sort of bean bag gun or shot rubber bullets. And I'm also sure it's to keep people from stampeding
>Oh so that's the reason he was upset?
I'm just telling you what he told KTLA, he said that the trump supporter "bumped his sign into him" so they jumped him and shredded his sign. I'm not making that up
>Anyways this whole thread is just you doing exactly what the bald guy is doing
Maybe. But I did nothing but show what happened there. And I thought I was pretty fair in my descriptions too. I acknowledged that the Trump supporters that got assaulted were baiting the protesters to do it, and I also showed the negativity of the protesters. What else could I have done to make it more swayed to your political agenda other than not show up?
>>2853732
>Maybe. But I did nothing but show what happened there. And I thought I was pretty fair in my descriptions too. I acknowledged that the Trump supporters that got assaulted were baiting the protesters to do it, and I also showed the negativity of the protesters. What else could I have done to make it more swayed to your political agenda other than not show up?
stahp. Ur doing it again
>>2853727
I see. Yeah, I'm sure I'm guilty of it, re-reading my stuff, I can see a few words I placed in there, not without reason though. The only people destroying property and actually physically attacking were the protesters. So regardless of my take on it, this stuff is happening
I appreciate you pointing it out, in the future I'll work on trying to keep any opinion out of it
>>2853734
Just saying though. I don't care if you support Bernie or Hillary. These are the facts, and the facts are that there aren't people starting riots at the democratic events. This is the reality of the situation with Trump events, the left makes it violent. That's not an opinion I'm putting in there, it's just how it is.
I don't want this to devolve into a political debate, I get enough of that on /pol/, I just want to talk photos, if possible
>>2852474
The only thing about the free speech area is the name. Free speech is a right but I'm most cities in order to not get fucked as a protest they need to tell the city where they're going to be organizing. That's the reason those crazy Baptist church people won that court case against the dad who who claimed mental distress against them, they told the city where they would be protesting
>>2853739
The funny thing about the free speech areas though, is that it's almost the opposite of that. At this even they had two free speech areas set up. One pro trump, one anti trump. But you couldn't be in the pro trump area and be anti trump, just like you couldn't be in the anti trump area and be pro trump. So it's more like an echo chamber area. The Neutral area around the free speech zones, were where all the fights were breaking out
love your bw photos but the colors ones are really bad. learn to color correct, currents look extremely vibrant and ugly digital
>>2852599
>those teeth
What the fuck?
>>2853779
jesus christ >>2852601
very good shots man
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these are my favorites
>>2852537
can I get a higher resolution of that?
OP, I didn't want to get involved in this but reading the comments about your bias or lack of thereof I feel I need to step in.
As an absolute outsider, an European completely detached from your election madness and social/political groups and outlooks, I got absolutely no pro-trump bias from your photos, nor, I must stress this, narrative. I saw the typical white trash/crazy fundies Trump supporters and the token extreme leftist SJW protesters, both sides portrayed for what they are, nothing more, nothing less.
The accusations for your trump bias seem to come from people taking offense in the truthful portrayal of the protesters and their actions as showing them in a bad light, unfavourable if you're against trump etc. So basically more frothing leftists being buttmad. I think it's important to state this because you did an excellent job showing the rally in all its aspects and as an outsider I found your perspective and shots very interesting and captivating - informational, even. It'd be a shame if you got yelled over and wrongfully accused by someone as biased as the bias they're accusing you of. And I, personally, would most want to see Sanders elected and think the worst of Trump and anything surrounding him. Yet I still see the anti-trump protesters as the insane mob they are.
Very cool photos, I love journalism. Makes me want to ditch looking for jobs and just go out and find something intresting to shoot.
>>2853792
>white guilt bullshit; blind belief that rejecting western culture and embracing foreign cultures without criticism is inherently an intellectually superior position
>feminism, and the unsubstantiated claims of oppression that go along with that
>regressive censorship and hypocrisy in universities and the media demanding that you don't observe and question the arguments made by their protected groups; universities being ran by people who have no place in a sanctuary of learning, media being ran by people who have no place acting as the guardians of free speech and the free flow of information
You're not as detached as you might think. Our economic debate might be a bit more right winged than yours, but you have essentially the same social conflict going on in Europe. The west is in this together.
I'd argue that Trump's popularity largely comes from his behavior more than his policies. His self-funding allows him to rock the boat when it comes to the politically correct establishment, which is certainly a problem in Europe, too.
>>2853873
You left out the -ol from your imageboard url, friend :-)
It's bumblefucks like you that should specifically not post ITT regarding OP's journalistic neutrality. I know this post will make you reply one way or another and further trash up the thread but at the same time it'll bump it and OP deserves as much frontpage exposure as possible as far as I'm concerned, so hey, there's that. Seriously though I know the internet doesn't have a post limit but at least try to learn the basics of self-inhibition and when and where not to voice your opinion noone cares about - maybe unlike me, you're still redeemable -_^
>>2852473
what lenses were you using? I keep seeing 24mm but it doesnt look that way to my eyes, is it a crop sensor?
>>2853905
He's using an A7R, it's not a crop.
>>2853905
I'm using a full frame with a 24mm. The reason some of them might look odd is because for a few of the images I cropped them pretty significantly.
>>2853771
Yeah, I know here on /p/ saturation is not accepted. I feel like it might be a preference. But I tried to be conscious of not going too far.
>>2853791
Yepp, here you go
>>2853804
This was my first time shooting somehting like this, and it definitely made me want to do it again. It was a lot of fun
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>>2853905
I forgot to mention, I did use a sony a6300 for a few shots. But 90% of these were taken with the sony a7r
>>2853967
thanks brah, thats my new wallpaper
>>2852480
>black power hand
A raised fist is a widely used symbol by leftists throughout history not just the black panthers. Pretty good photos though.
>>2854298
do you *really* think that's why he was doing it? lmao, delusional.
>>2853901
>It's okay when my side does it!
You're the one who brought up your political stance and the (wishful thinking) belief that the same conflict behind Trump isn't happening in Europe. If you didn't want to discuss politics, then perhaps you shouldn't have brought up politics to begin with.
>It's bumblefucks like you that should specifically not post ITT regarding OP's journalistic neutrality.
And as usual for people who are trying to ensure that free speech is a privilege for those who blindly believe the far left narrative, you're not following the plot at all. I didn't say anything about OP's photos.
These are awful.
>>2854434
Thank you, I really appreciate the constructive criticism. I'll remember your comment the next time I'm out taking photos.
>>2852537
Are you talking about this post? >2851427
Because if you read it again you'll notice that's actually somebody criticizing the OP.
Most of your photos manage to have a subject and be in focus. This one is pretty good: >>2852485. I'd like it if you'd lean less heavily on cliches. For instance, at least two of your subjects are just other people taking photos on their phones.
I don't feel like you're a good enough photographer to make meaningful criticisms of "modern photography," as you put it. I think the guy in the other thread has a stronger voice.
>>2854470
Yes, that's the exact one I'm talking about, it's unclear whether that person was arguing for or against the OP's photos, I assumed he was defending OP, but it could've been sarcasm.
>I'd like it if you'd lean less heavily on cliches. For instance, at least two of your subjects are just other people taking photos on their phones.
Fair enough, I really do appreciate the honest criticism. Yeah I know I have photos of people on their phones. But when I'm trapped in a sea of people, I'm kind of limited with my surroundings. And I also thought the two photos were varied enough to justify posting both.
>I don't feel like you're a good enough photographer to make meaningful criticisms of "modern photography,"
I disagree with that statement. Sorry if you're the OP of the other thread, but I see a serious lack of any ability to use a camera. You can't look at this photo >>2850285 and tell me that my criticism of the photographer is off base.
What voice do you see the other photographer having exactly?
>>2854434
This is /p/ in one comment
>>2853732
>>2853732
>What are you implying, that if you're not a trump supporter you're automatically unpatriotic?
>No, I'm simply implying that by burning the US flag you aren't patriotic. Don't inject your insecurites.
Don't confuse Patriotism with worshiping a flag. A flag is an object, meant to represent something. You can love your country but protest against it.
>>2855263
>Don't confuse Patriotism with worshiping a flag.
Yeah, pretty confusing when these people are worshiping the flag of another country while burning the American flag.
So they're burning the American flag to protest what it stands for? What about having a political rally is a negative thing for what this country stands for? Are they protesting the fact that we have a right to choose our president? Are they protesting freedom of speech? What is it exactly?
These people don't love the country, when they aren't even from this country, burn our flag, fly the mexican flag, assault the police, then say "Make America Mexico Again" pretty sure that's not showing love.
So I guess I just don't see your side, would you like to explain??
>>2853307
Love the waves of colour in this one.
>>2852485
I don't follow. You said the bald guy was a pro trump protestor and I'm assuming the black guy is a protestor as well. What are they arguing about?
>>2855682
Yes, the bald guy was for trump (I assume) and the black guy was against Trump. The bald guy was making some pretty inflammatory statements about mexicans and muslims, with the intent to get the crowd angry. The black guy was saying he was muslim and basically saying that it was offensive. Obviously, both were using foul language, but that is basically what was happening.
>>2852474
The Trump protestors have an area so they don't get assaulted by violent Mexican nationals and thugs.
I'll give OP credit, compared to the other threads that only show nitpicked trump supporters from leftist photographers, this at least shows and equal balance of the anti-trump and the pro-trump people. I think the people here who are getting butthurt calling OP biased are the ones who would normally be biased against trump.
>>2856929
ayyyyyyy lmao
thats not "trump voters" or "bernie voters"
thats americans
>>2856971
looks mexican to me.
>>2852556
>This is the level or respect we are dealing with here
>absolutely destroyed
>thousands of dollars of damage to just the plants in the area
>I tried to stay as neutral as possible
>Respectful protesters.jpg
Sure yeah did... very neutral. :)
>>2853319
>America, Bless God
Trump sporters in a nutshell. Can't even put iconinc phrases in order.
Some absolutely fantastic shots here, I get a real sense of the atmosphere. Keep up the good work. Very impressive.
>>2857126
Should I have written something different? That was an accurate description of what was going on. They stomped on the plants, and they even ripped up those plants and threw them at police. Would you like me to show you that video clip?
>>2857134
Yeah, I noticed that. Not sure what he meant by that exactly
>>2857214
Thank you, I appreciate it!
>>2857134
Just read up on it. It's actually a company. They say that God has blessed America, and now it's time for America to bless god.
http://www.americablessgod.com/index.php
>>2857280
I think it's abundantly clear from your commentary where you stand, which is your issue in claiming neutrality.
>>2857290
Oh yeah I absolutely support Trump. But did I show either side in a better light than another? You can be mad that Trump protesters are violent and destroying stuff, but that is the reality of the situation. Do you want me to lie and say all those people burning American flags are Trump supporters? Or the ones assaulting police are Trump supporters? How would you like me to skew the information next time?
>>2857311
So at no point during the entire thing did any single Trump supporter step on a single piece of landscaping, or say or do anything remotely inflammatory? Did the protesters have any other space to stand in where they would have been just as out of the way? Or did they come there and stomp that planter as an act of rebellion?
What you shoot is important, but what you choose not to shoot is also important. It's 2016. Literally everyone in America understands the concept of lies of omission, and the ubiquity of bias, and your descriptions of the events shows us that we can't really trust your representation of the whole story.
>>2857313
The areas that had the destroyed landscaping was within the "protester free speech areas" Trump supporters were not allowed in there. I can show you the video of them ripping up the plants if you'd like me to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkyeoTGzJMA
Watch that video at 13 seconds, you'll see a mexican throw the plants right there.
>what you choose not to shoot is also important
And what is that exactly? Did I not mention the Trump supporters making inflamatory statements? I said that the Trump supporters getting beat up weren't completely innocent, they were trying to excite the crowd. Sorry to burst your bubble, but as insane as these rioters seem, that is truely what is going on. They are violent.
>>2857316
Thank you. And as I said in that one you rated "Tonemapping/10" You obviously didn't read the post at all.
>>2857328
>a mexican
Exactly. One single person, part of one very small group of people. A group of people from a demographic that stands to lose a LOT if your boy gets elected. People going to a rally made up almost entirely of "patriots" (read: mostly racists) who are trying to get Trump elected.
How many thousands of people were there? How many protesters DIDN'T do anything, or were totally respectful and didn't destroy anything? How many of Trump's supporters had hateful signs and t-shirts that would have explained WHY some Hispanic people might feel the need to come and protest the gathering?
>>2857338
Racists? Why are they automatically racists for supporting Trump?
>A group of people from a demographic that stands to lose a LOT if your boy gets elected
What demographic is that? The illegal demographic? Trump is going to help legal citizens, that's what they don't understand. Who's jobs do you think the illegal mexicans are taking? The white engineers jobs? Or the high school diploma holder that wouldn't mind doing some manual labor? Jokes on you man, the democrats are shipping millions of illegals in to take the non-college educated mans job, which a lot of times means minorities. You just don't understand that the democrats (the ones that owned slaves) are up to the same shit they're always up to, getting cheap labor and more slaves. If you didn't know, the republicans are the ones that freed the slaves and pushed for the civil rights acts of the 1960's. Right now, they're trying to protect americans, which means making sure illegals are taking your tax dollars.
>How many protesters DIDN'T do anything, or were totally respectful and didn't destroy anything
I'm sure there were a good amount of protesters that didn't do anything, just like I showed in my pictures there were peaceful protesters. But the fact is that the only people destroying stuff were in fact the protesters. Uhh, and there were 0 trump supporters that had hateful signs. They didn't even have signs. The protesters had signs reading "fuck trump" "Trump is Hitler" "Make America Mexico again" I think the worst sign I saw there from a Trump supporter said "The only white privledge is sunburn"
>>2857346
>democrats areshipping millions of illegals in
Hahahahaha
>>2857346
>the democrats (the ones that owned slaves) are up to the same shit they're always up to, getting cheap labor and more slaves.
>>2857349
It's true
http://cis.org/2.5-Million-Join-Illegal-Population-under-Obama
And your tax dollars give them free college, your tax dollars give them welfare, your tax dollars pay for them in prison.
There are more illegal immigrants on welfare than American families. How is that right? And now they want to give them the right to vote on elections here in the US. It's insanity. Imagine this scenario.
A white man and his family run down to Mexico, start taking tax dollars to programs even mexican citizens can't afford, the white family then wants to participate in the elections for a country they don't even belong to, then start burning the mexican flags, calling the mexicans racist for the mexicans getting mad at the white family. It's not right
>>2857353
I can't tell if you believe me or not but it's true. What's the biggest benefit of letting people in the country that will work for $3 an hour? It's the labor, and it's not much different than slavery in the early US, because we don't have to feed, house or cloth the immigrants now, just give them a few bucks.
Or are you not believing the democrats are the ones that owned the slaves?
>>2857357
>And your tax dollars give them free college, your tax dollars give them welfare, your tax dollars pay for them in prison.
How does someone with no SSN, no ID, and no citizen status get free college, or welfare?
>>2857357
>your tax dollars pay for them in prison.
Illegal immigrants don't go to US prisons, they get deported. Man, you just have no fucking clue what you're talking about, do you?
>>2857363
Who knows!!! But if you think it's not true, you'd be sadly mistaken. That's why people are upset about illegals. Wake up, it's a slap in the face of people that pay taxes
Welfare:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Illegal-Immigrants-Welfare-American/2016/05/09/id/727875/
College:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/26/free-tuition-for-illegals/
Voting:
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/
Free healthcare:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal-immigrants-get-public-health-care-despite-federal-policy-1458850082
Free housing:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/california-646538-state-immigrants.html
It sounds fake, but it's not
>>2857361
>Or are you not believing the democrats are the ones that owned the slaves?
I believe that nearly every rich person from back in the day owned slaves, and also understand the basic concept that republican and democrat from the early 1800s is not the same as republican and democrat in 2016, and in many important ways, they have switched rolls completely.
>>2857364
Okay, whatever you say
http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-12/when-undocumented-immigrant-commits-serious-crime-secrecy-descends
>>2857374
LOL, and when did they switch exactly? Was it after the democrats started the KKK?
Was it after the democrats tried to stop the civil rights bills?
Was it after the democrats made legislation that lead to the largest mass incarceration of minorites (Clinton crime bill of the 90s)
Did they swap places in the last decade? I'm confused
>>2857373
Welfare
The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps.
http://www.tolerance.org/immigration-myths
>[Illegal immigants] Collectively, they paid an estimated $10.6 billion to state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a research organization that works on tax policy issues.
>Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/
>>2857383
Google is hard, I know, it explains a lot of your beliefs. Maybe if you're in the middle of an argument though, you should try to step up and do the hard thing.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Democrats-used-to-be-the-conservative-party-and-Republicans-used-to-be-the-progressive-party
http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
http://chronicle.com/blognetwork/edgeofthewest/2010/05/20/when-and-to-an-extent-why-did-the-parties-switch-places/
>>2857394
That's really weird because the Center for Immigration Studies, found it to be a different case
http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households
>they paid an estimated $10.6 billion
There are estimated to be over 11million undocumented immigrants in the US. Which means they paid about $900 per year in total taxes. I'm sorry but what taxes could they possibly be paying? Sales tax? They DO qualify for welfare, they receive welfare at a much higher rate than natives do.
In California ALONE, it costs $2,370 per home to pay for the small group of illegals to stay in the US, that's a huge tax burden for the entire state.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers
>>2857383
>Was it after the democrats made legislation that lead to the largest mass incarceration of minorites
You mean the bill that helped quell the enormous crime levels of the late 80s and early 90s? The one that is described as being enormously bipartisan?
>The bill had bipartisan support, and easily passed both the House and Senate.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36020717
>>2857402
>fair.us
So people who made an entire website dedicated to disliking illegal immigrants? Wow, they're certainly unbiased! I'll be sure to take their word over CNN!
>>2857402
From your own cis.org source:
>illegal immigrants have been barred from welfare for a long time.
It talks about legal immigrants, not illegals (which don't have access to welfare)
>>2857396
LOL, sure thing bud
>So, sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power
So why is it exactly that the civil rights movements of the 1960s were opposed by democrats? And the south in the 1960s were still largely democrats? Do you have a bad source in there somewhere?
>>2857413
Man, you really hate reading don't you? Just keep going by what your dad told you over dinner one day?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights
http://addictinginfo.org/history-democrats-republicans-on-civil-rights-equality/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/may/25/michael-steele/steele-says-gop-fought-hard-civil-rights-bills-196/
>>2857411
>Equally important, immigrants, including those illegally in the country, can receive welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children.
You have to read all of it. A lot of times they have babies as soon as they come over to get the benefits.
>I'll be sure to take their word over CNN!
You didn't know CNN is biased? How have you never realized this?
At leas they have their sources listed on fairus. You'll notice on the CNN money article, they "forgot" to leave sources on some of the most important parts like "Myth #3: They drain the system"
>>2857418
No, my dad actually likes immigrants, he pays them to pick weeds in our yard all day.
Okay and so all your sources show that the republicans played a huge part in the civil rights bills. So what's your point?
>>2857424
What's YOUR point? The links show that it wasn't a partisan issue at all, and that, it was a North South issue almost exclusively, regardless of party.
>>2857429
Which shows that your dream world of the republicans and democrats magically switching places 100 years ago is false. It's been a flase narative constructed by liberals to deny the fact that their party is the same one that started the KKK, held slaves, and fought against the north in the civil war. That's all.
Look, I think immigrants are good. I think it needs to be an easier process for immigrants to enter the US. But we cannot have illegals using tax dollars, and unknown people entering the US. We need to screen them, and then they can enter. Wouldn't this be better for everyone? They won't have to work for $3 an hour, and they can pay taxes. Right now, it's just not beneficial for Americans
>>2857431
Hahahaha wow, Okay, I'm just going to go ahead and minimize your thread. Thanks for posting the photos though, they're not bad.
>>2857437
I'm glad you enjoyed my photos. And thank you for the little debate here as well! I always like a little bit of discussion!
>>2857420
>>I'll be sure to take their word over CNN!
Nice projection
>>2857282
hmm intersting never knew that. Makes sense I guess
>>2857828
I meant to reply to this person >>2857409
But yeah, in that article they linked, CNN listed no sources for their biggest claims. Where as my source listed actual studies done.
So yeah, and opinion on CNN is going to be rated much lower than a source that has facts backing them.
Can you agree with that?
The protest in question. Photos are great! https://youtu.be/4uNpLEsYeI4?t=5m46s
>>2852473
Nice photos OP. It's refreshing to see at least some one on this board takes actual fucking pictures.
A word of advice, just ignore political posts. This is /p/. They don't want to have a discussion - they want to tear you down. Just stay neutral and don't even respond. I'm neither democratic nor republican, but the libs are having a rough day today with their anti-gun, pro islam narrative being blown to hell by a muslim with legally acquired weapons.
>>2857346
Looks like the mask has slipped
>>2853319
Out of curiosity, what did this guy say that was pro-Trump? He looks like a typical aggressive street preacher to me. Those guys show up to big events and get people riled up by preaching hellfire and brimstone. Are you sure he was pro-Trump?
>>2857346
Preach!
>>2853324
There's an apostrophe missing before the "s"
>>2862521
There isn't though, unless you're trying to go for some sly word play so that it instead reads as "Trump is hate"
>>2862730
It would be an ownership apostrophe. "Trump's hate" as in the hate that Trump has for people who don't look like him (and his daughter)
>>2862731
That doesn't work for that banner though, because "trump" is being used as the actual word instead of the candidates name, which means that an apostrophe is not needed.
>>2862751
Yes, but someone at a trump rally, holding up a sign that says "I love Trump's hate" makes perfect sense
>>2856929
>fuck that white cracker, he's a racist
I giggled
>>2862377
He never stated he was pro trump. He didn't have anything related to Trump on him. I would assume he leaned more toward Trump than hillary or bernie. Also, his prime target for rustling was the Jimmies of the protesters.
>>2863012
Yeah, I think it's safe to say, a lot of these protesters cannot fathom the levels of hypocracy and idocy they show at these protests.
Trump says the a lot of the illegals are violent criminals. They get mad that he would make such a statement, so what do they do? The illegals start assaulting police and Trump supporters. Which then shows everybody how violent some of them are. I imagine the hard working illegals, and genuinely good ones, are fucking pissed at these guys.
>>2863181
>I would assume he leaned more toward Trump than hillary or bernie
Having seen those guys before, I think the safest assumption is that they don't lean towards anybody. Sure, he ain't gonna be leaning towards Hillary or Bernie, but that doesn't automatically lead to him supporting Trump.
>>2852493
this one its pretty good
>>2863333
Yeah, I get it. That's why I just said I assumed he was. There's really no way to tell. I'm pretty sure he was a professional protester though. I've seen him in videos at other Trump rallies.
>>2863600
Yeah, I thought it was an interesting shot. Definitely a little bit different than the other ones
>>2864023
>I'm pretty sure he was a professional protester though.
The term is "street preacher." I'm not being a dick or being facetious. That's what they're called.
>>2864296
Oh okay. I didn't know there was a term. I just have no idea how he would make money from doing that. And I'm not sure what his goal was
>rally photography without everything being drowned out by disgusting abused flash
thank you tripman
>>2864456
Hahaha Jesus Christ. I love that you're both retarded, and a Trump supporter. You are the stereotype.
>>2864459
It was a compliment, friend! I really like your shots, personally there's a bit too much of the clarity filter for me since it gives the images a bit of a sterile digital feel bu that's down to taste. Great compositions, great captured moments.
>>2852490 is a personal favourite, since it tells an entire story without the need for any context and is just framed really well
>>2864500
Thanks, I appreciate it!! Yeah, I know a lot of people don't like the clarity slider, thats just what I like.
And yeah, that's one of my favorite shots from the day too!
>>2862759
There's no I in that sign at all, it simply reads "love trumps hate", a very clear play on words.
>>2864542
I added the "I" to help completely the sentence for clarity's sake, since some trump supporters seem to be having trouble understanding a very simple joke without it.
"Love trump's hate" would be a shortened version of "I love Trump's hate" much like "Love you bro" is a shortened version of "I love you, Brother"
>>2864544
*To help complete the sentence
>>2864544
>>2864542
Just incase you didn't know "Love Trumps Hate" Is a bumper sticker Hillary made
>>2864548
Obviously. Trump's entire platform is based on hate, anger, and fear. Nobody is accusing Trump of loving anything other than himself and other rich white people (and their money)
ELECT ME OR THE IMMIGRANTS WILL GET YOU! AND STEAL YOUR TAXES, AND YOUR DAUGHTER!! ISIS IS COMING FOR YOU!
>>2864551
Which part of his platform is based on hatred? The part where he doesn't want welfare leeches on society? Or the part where he doesn't want terrorists in the country? Seems pretty hateful huh?
>>2864551
He loves money so much that he wants poor people to not have to pay income taxes, so hateful
>>2864551
>immigrants
If that's what you're calling them, go rob a bank and call it a withdrawal.
>>2864381
>I just have no idea how he would make money from doing that.
Believe it or not, but donations from supports. It's probably a very small network, but there are people who support stuff like that.
>And I'm not sure what his goal was
Technically speaking, they're trying to turn people to Christianity . . . or, rather, their particular brand of Christianity.
They're fairly common on major college campuses in the US. When I was in college, there were a few guys who came around from time to time, usually at major sporting events or concerts or the like, and just caused everybody to lose their damn mind.
>>2864573
Thats what they are, they're immigrating into a country. Are you that daft?
>>2864881
>allow illegal immigration to go unchecked for 8 years
>keep calling it immigration
You dumb fucks created the problem. Now we're at the point where immigration in general may need to be slowed down (which is a normal, ethical thing countries do, by the way, my little retard).
It only took one generation of nanny-state babies to cuck the people into throwing in the towel. Pretty impressive, really. Grandparents worked hard, fought hard, and are rewarded by whining, self entitled pussy grandkids.
>Baww, life is hard
>I racked up useless school debt
>Why am I not rich
>Gimme free shit
>Fuck the system, etc
>>2864882
This is the hate and ignorance people keep talking about. Just pointing it out for clarity.
>>2864903
I finished school, chose a sensible career, own a house, have no debt, and have expensive things.
The only hate is from millennial kids who want to take it all from me because they were too stupid and lazy to figure it out for themselves.
Jealousy is hate, my friend.
>>2864916
we totally believe you.
>>2864903
>I-I'm not hateful... c-come on in, guys. Please tell me I'm not racist.
-America's social suicide note, as written by liberals
Go to Syria and force your liberal multicultural agenda there. Or Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Saudi... try spreading womens' rights and gay pride. See what happens to you.
You want opposition to your lifestyle? You're letting them in by the millions. If you think conservatives are bad, fuck... are you in for a surprise.
Stupid. As. Fuck.
>>2864916
I never went to college, started a career, have been promoted six times in nine years, have no debt, two houses, and work about 25 hours a week. I'm not jealous. I just take my free time to actually verify the "infuriating facts" that are presented to me, and find that most of them are at least partially false, and are presented specifically to elicit a reaction and an emotion from me, and then I use the actual facts to make an informed decision.
for instance, many sources suggest that the amount of illegal immigrants in the US has been relatively stable for about five years now. They also suggest that whole some illegals work low wage jobs under the table making less than minimum wage generally, many others work legitimate jobs, and therefore pay taxes and contribute like normal citizens, while not being able to draw on welfare programs like the unemployed Americans they're out-working.
Yes, immigration is a real issue, but it's not anywhere near the biggest issue of the country, and building a platform around "the scary foreigners who are ruining this country" is fear mongering and misinformation at it's basest form.
>>2864919
There's more of that hate...
>>2864921
>hate
You seem to like it, considering the amount of Sharia supporters you want.
Death by ignorance.
>>2864921
Nice tactic, there. Every time someone points out the issues, you use the H word.
Not weak at all...
Meanwhile:
>LaRaza
>ISIL
>Come on in
>>2864920
>he doesn't believe the cia
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/16/cia-chief-isis-working-to-send-operatives-to-the-west.html
>anti-trump anon is hardcore conspiracy theorist
>tinfoil hat time
>>2864933
So fear, and hate then. Yeah?
>>2864923
So ignorant in your hate... You're being exactly who people are saying you are. It's amazing.
>>2864903
You don't know the real definition of hate. The Americans have been so coddled over the decades you think "HATE" means wanting the best for your country.
What do you think would happen if you went down to the border, cut a hole in it, walk into Juarez, have multiple kids, live off the mexican welfare system, burn the mexican flag, fly the american flag, call the mexicans racist, then tell them to make Mexico into America? You think you'd walk away alive? Hell no.
Do you even realize Mexico is having an immigration crisis too? They have illegals flooding in from central America, so much that they are on the verge of an economic crisis trying to take care of the illegals, so you know what they do? THEY SHIP THEM TO THE US, they are bringing them by the bus load into the US. The government knows this, and is working with contractors in the US to ship the illegals from the Mexican border to distribution points around the US.
If you don't see the problem with this, you are beyond reason. There is no reason it should be like this, and you can't even face the facts without calling people "Hateful, racist, xenophobes".
If you think that ISIS isn't taking full advantage of this you're even more dumb. They have said they will, they say they will kill us, and they are in the process of doing it as we speak. But you can't even admit there is such thing as radical Islam because your mind has been so absurdly subverted, that you can't even take basic facts at face value.
You better come back to reality, because it'll catch up to all of us real quick.
>>2864945
>You're being exactly who people are saying you are. It's amazing.
Oh, did he just pump lead into 100 gay people just then? Better call the FBI another shooter is on the loose!
>>2864952
>implying anybody from /p/ would actually go out and shoot
If /p/ had any terrorists, they'd just spend their days on /k/ arguing about terrorism gear.
>>2865213
>being so /pol/ that you miss the joke this badly
>>2865742
So redpilled, I can't even see a joke in what he's saying
i like these.
