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Film General Thread, aka FGT.
>just posting in the FGT doesn't make you gay, unless you shoot КИEB
This is the thread for all of your stupid film questions, and to post your film snapshits without flushing them down the RPToilet.
It's OK to ask about film gear in this thread.
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>>2841741
>it looks like a swastika
Film Nazis.
>>2841768
>no film for you
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>>2841769
>neofin
is that the Fuji BW developer? Have you used it much? Any experiences developing Neopan in it?
Does Walmart still do develop only? And if they do, could I attempt to ask for negatives back/ask for higher scan quality on a CD?
is Natura 1600 significantly less grainy than Superia 1600? I'm wondering if its worth the import
>>2841741
>just posting in the FGT doesn't make you gay, unless you shoot КИEB
KNEB is pure kino, ur so full of shit, OP.
>>2841789
literally why are you asking 4chan? just walk into fucking walmart and find out
>>2841782
No, Neofin is also called Tetanal Blau/Blue, also called Beutler Developer.
Its an old one-shot developer designed for extracting long tonal range from slow film.
It is excellent for things like Rollei Ortho 25.
It is awful for Tri-X, but you get 2 films per vial, and I only had one ortho to do, so I threw a Tri-X in there just for fun. With a 20 minute dev time the negs still came out quite thin, and with massive grain.
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>>2841793
I'm American so I can't walk.
>>2841782
This is how the Ortho turned out.
If you look at OP pic of the last thread >>2835031 , that's the box I got it out of, I'd estimate it to be about 50-60 years old, as the price appears to be in pounds and shillings. The individual glass vials seemed pretty immune to the ravages of time though, worked great.
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>>2841790
Natura 1600 is way more grainy dude, literally fuckmyshitup-tier
Has anyone here used the Tetenal E6 kit? Or any other E6 set?
has anyone tried xproing slide film with changes to the process so its not as contrasty and fucked up?
this is because ive seen some straight up radioactive xpros, and some really mild ones that if wouldnt were for the slightly changed tonality, would look like normal e6 development.
>>2841836
Yes, pic related. The kit is easy to use if you're not a moron and follow the instructions. It worked well for about a month, so try and use it before then. Or, if you only have a small tank, just mix up 500ml instead of the whole litre, and I'm sure the concentrates will last longer.
there's a bid right now on ebay for an opticfilm 7200 scanner. is it worth it? how much should i be paying for it?
>>2841789
Walmart has mailing envelopes for film that you can drop off in the store. I don't think they give back negatives though.
How can I improve my scans?
Pic related. I scanned it with my DSLR + Nikkor 135mm f3.5 AI lens with a Macro extension tube.
Is my post processing wrong? What can I do to improve it?
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>>2842123
This is the digital scan by my developer. I know it can still be improved.
By the way in this photo >>2842123
I used a Samsung Galaxy Tab S as my background or lightbox.
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is it possible to somehow slice bulk rolls of 35mm film down to work in some kind of motion picture (super 8, regular 8, 16mm, whatever) camera?
the main benefits of this being the ability to self-develop in standard B&W chemistry, substantially lowering the cost
>>2842123
Your focus is off, your film isn't flat, you have light leaks robbing contrast everywhere, and your post processing is off.
>>2842193
Yes. People make very simple diy razor/wood board-based film slicers. This is used mpstly gor subminiature camera film formats. You still need to have the film perforated, though, the camera advances frames based on perforations, not spool takeup. Thus super8 znd DS8 and 8mm film incompatability. Also, you can very easily self-develop positive process bw film - it just adds 3 extra steps with easily obtainable chemicals. The viability of using film cameras in this day and age with their 2.5min of footage per 30ft/15m(8mm standards, even more for 16mm) of film (at 18fps~) on the other hand is at best extremely masochistic.
Best price to feature EOS film camera?? I'd like to give film a chance and have tons of EOS lenses but don't wanna spend more than £50 full M would be great.
>>2842359
Maybe an Elan 7?
>>2842370
I feel like I answer this question every week.
All eos cameras have all the modes, unless you find some mega-lo-buck cereal box special I'm not aware of.
Compared to any mechanical cameras out there, they'll give you better auto exposures, more shutter speeds, more reliable film transport.
Literally buy the first working one you find in an op shop. Carry some CR123A's in your purse just incase you find one.
Shoot that until you decide whether you want to get a lushier one.
Simple as that.
>but if you really must get a model number recommend, see OP image, they're boss
asked this last time but figured it might be more helpful with a snapshit illustrating it.
recently bought a pentax k1000 but i cant even get the film loaded properly. judging from yt vids i have it in there fine, its just the rewind knob wont snap down completely, and judging by the vids it should. no amount of shifting around the film or jamming doen is getting it to budge any lower. wat do? does the fact that im using fuji film matter? i didnt think it would.
>>2842409
Flip the crank up.
Rotate it around until it falls into the slot.
It's such a simple mechanism though, if yit's taken you 3 posts over as many days to not figure it out yourself, I'd imagine that you're actualy clinically retarded and beyond help.
Just give your camera to a grownup to show you how it works.
>>2842409
all 35mm cassettes are the same. open that camera look closely at the rewinder, also examine the 35mm roll then youll understand what are you doing wrong.
I just got an old pinhole kodak brownie from a friend and im gunna use both 35mm and 120mm iso 100 film. Im just not sure at all how long i should expose the film for. Help me please because I really want to start using it.
>>2842116
I know, sometimes I'll take a few and drop them off at Walmarts in other places and they'll come right back to me. And they apparently don't let you have the negs. They do however let you have the CD for price given (at least where I'm at) which I for one can deal with since the scan quality/development process is usually decent.
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>>2842455
Wow, I'm glad we got that figured out...
>cue 1 wk later, some anon asking why all the shots where they set their camera to iso 1600 turned out shit, is my pentex k1000 broken
>>2842462
top contribution, my friend.
>>2842201
How can I stop the light leaks?
>>2842465
ask them politely.
>>2842465
replace the light seals
what camera?
absolute newb here. just got back my first roll of film. all of the photos on my roll seem to be blown out or simply too bright white and over exposed. what can i do to solve this? am i simply setting my shutter speed longer than i need?
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>>2842536
another pic off the same roll with the same problem
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>>2842536
this one looks perfectly fine, but on the second one I can see what you mean.
how do the negatives look? because its probably just a case of poor scanning.
>>2842541
first roll of film ever. had it done at a drug store and they did not return my negatives. i know this is a very bad idea. any reputable places i can get my film developed and scanned?
>>2842544
Yeah, Hmong's Photo Palace in Ulan Bator is great, 24hr turnaround and sharp scans.
>>2842536
>>2842540
First one looks fine to me. Any darker and you'd lose all the shadow detail. The second one is a bit hot but the exposure looks right for the dude and the car.
What film is this? The colors look a bit Velvia to me, and if that's what it is you might just not be getting as much dynamic range as you're used to having with digital, especially in the highlights.
You might have your monitor brightness too high, if you're only seeing this in the scans.
>>2842546
im looking for somewhere i can ship off my rolls of film and recieve back scans only. is there any agreed upon best service that will do this?
>>2842551
your genuine shitastic fujifilm superia x-tra 400 in the green packs. just wanted something cheap to shoot my first few rolls with. what types of film would give me good dynamic range?
>>2842560
what do you mean by adjust with curves?
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>>2842552
>recieve back scans only
are you dumb...? how are you ever supposed to know if your negatives are getting developed properly, or if the scans are shitty? and if you get back shitty scans, you won't have to negatives to send to a better scanner...
>>2842562
>what types of film would give me good dynamic range?
that other guy is memeing. you're going to run into the dynamic range limit of your scanner and computer monitor far before you run into the dynamic range limit of film
>>2842567
i meant as in i want scans and nagatives excuse me. i just do not want any prints. are there any well known services i should use?
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>>2842562
By adjust with curves I mean generally drag it down. Didn't want to darken the guy that much which is why the curve looks the way it does.
I'm pretty bad with editing but this should give you an idea.
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>>2842583
what software are you using? and can you recommend any good free software?
>>2842585
I just used GIMP which is free. If the files they give you are TIFF, that's better than JPG. If you are shooting outdoors, try ISO 100.
What camera/lens are you using?
>>2842587
ive got a canon eos rebel g. it has the stock kit lens on it. i used 400 film for these shots
>>2842591
Haha I had a Rebel G back in the day. I don't think it has a depth of field preview but you don't want to be shooting wide open with the kit lens anyway.
As for your developing questions, Mpix does it although I don't know if they are good. But that's where I get prints from and they are good so hopefully they are the same.
I'd shoot 100 for the finer grain. Not sure what shutter speeds you were getting so it might not be worth it.
Okay /p/ I have been shooting DSLR for about 5 years and I am wanting to give film a shot. I would prefer to shoot with a Nikon as all the gear I have is Nikon oriented. So fellas my questions for you... what body/ lens(es) should I keep an eye out for? should I drop Nikon and use another manufacturer for my film side of things? Thanks for any input.
>>2842666
hello satan.
>I have been shooting DSLR for about 5 years
thats an important piece of info. because of that you might be already spoiled for IQ, so maybe a 35mm as main camera wont cut it and may even dissapoint you. i suggest this approach:
1) a cheap TLR (ie. yashica) for medium format goodness and eye popping IQ.
2) a small 35mm point and shoot for fun careless shooting (mju 1 or 2).
>OP pic
literally lmaoing at that severe moire on the front end of those EOS lenses.
>>2842544
>first roll of film ever. had it done at a drug store and they did not return my negatives
When processing C-41 at any place near me, I just ask them to either not cut the roll, or ask for process only.
It works about 9.5 times out of 10. The 0.5 times are always human error.
>>2842666
You need an F4 or newer to use any lenses you have that lack an aperture ring.
>>2842666
Also G lenses won't work and will probably give some serious vignetting.
>>2842676
op here, lmao.
That's definitely more to do with my carelessness and GIMP's resizing than in-camera moire.
The Sigma Merrill is as moire-free as digi gets.
>>2842530
> its just an effect of the shitty DSLR scanning setup
Here's my scanning setup:
D90+macro extension tube+50mm f1.4 Nikkor AI lens with lens hood
I use a tablet as a light source in the background.
Pic related.
I have seen scans on the internet not using an extension tube or just using an ordinary kit lens but they have better scans. I don't know what I am doing wrong.
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>>2842854
> I don't know what I am doing wrong.
Your light source is shit. Incomplete color spectrum, and not very bright. And you aren't masking out all the light source that isnt part of the image frame...to stop it causing flare and lowering contrast.
also: inb4 you have a UV filter on.
>>2842854
>>2842123
Here's a raw file
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkehkcasf4c3ci/_DSC1267.NEF?dl=0
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>>2842858
>Incomplete color spectrum, and not very bright.
Oh I never thought that the problem is the light source since I'm using a Samsung galaxy tab s which is already brighter than my 24" HP monitor.
>>2842859
There's a multitude of problems here.
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>>2842859
Well, you're a fucking retard.
You can see the sub-pixel array - I'll let you guess why your colours are fucked when your using led light (single wavelength) as a backlight.
Get some perspex for light diffusion, set it an inch off your screen, make sure your film is completely flat and try again.
Don't want to pay for perspex? create a film holder out of some stiff card and keep the film an inch or 2 off the screen.
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>>2842862
just get a neutral led and make a diffuser. shouldn't cost more than $20 total.
>>2842854
your film needs to be further away from the tablet screen, so many pixels showing through.
>>2842879
I tried it again this time I use an acrylic glass as you mention and the film is an inch above the screen. No more pixels are showing but the colors are still far off.
It's a different frame but yeah the colors are still off.
Here's the raw: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cip2s8cu70ry8os/_DSC1270.NEF?dl=0
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>>2842933
Still a useless raw, no one said anything about putting it on glass - which is why you have those weird ripples.
And it needs to be a white, diffusive perspex, you still have the light spectrum problems going on so can't get accurate colours.
>>2842933
I put mine on a piece of white acrylic, and place the acrylic across the top of a white cardboard box. I then put my flash in the box with my wireless trigger (though you could use a TTL Cable) and shoot down at the negative. I get a little spill, but the light is otherwise pretty good.
>>2842674
fuck off, retard
>>2842933
I've never done this so i'm just asking. Do people think one of those cheap light boxes for drawing would do the job?
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>>2842962
It depends on the light box, and what its light source is.
>>2842959
wow lol what triggered you now, you dumb autist?
>>2843043
you're clearly trying to start shit about digital vs. film in a relatively peaceful film thread, just fuck off
>>2843049
loling @ your paranoia. tasty tears btw, for a harmless response in a thread.
>>2843055
>because of that you might be already spoiled for IQ, so maybe a 35mm as main camera wont cut it and may even dissapoint you
poor quality troll
Recommended handheld lightmeter under €50?
>>2843071
or are iphone apps reliable enough? if so, which?
>>2843071
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dq.fotometro&hl=en
>>2842962
I use one for my scanning.
>>2843071
Your eyes, unless you're using a flash
Epson v600 vs v550
Is the 600 worth the extra $50?
>>2843119
They're the same.
>>2843110
I'm terrible at gauging light levels by my own eye, perhaps it's something I'll get better at the more that I shoot but for now I'd rather not overexpose everything for no reason.
>>2843073
how reliable are these apps though?
I have an olympus om-1 so they're probably just as reliable as the inbuilt lightmeter
Got my first roll of Ektar developed the other day. Loving those colors, especially those pinks
>hnng
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>>2843159
yup, I think I'm officially gay now
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>>2842854
>>2842859
>>2842865
>>2842879
>>2842933
>>2842962
Wow, I actually have to post this image in every thread.
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Not getting any help from /g/.
Can someone answer this::
I'm looking for a video camera with better life than this. I want it to have similar stats and functionality, but with a ~90+ min battery life, preferably more.
I kinda would like a camcorder, like those little handheld ones, but I'm not sure what's actually good.
See, this one looks nice:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CHWTZPE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_11?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3MXAQFA0VQPBJ
However, someone said all the reviews are fake... and they kinda look it.
Then there's, like, this one:
http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00YX6KPQ6/ref=twister_B00YX6KJZ8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Seems pretty good also, but I can't find any results about battery life, other than people saying it's "good", but "good" would mean 2h+ for me.
I have a few others listed, but this last one here seems like the best option, but I wanna know what y'all think:
http://smile.amazon.com/Sony-HDRCX240-Video-Camera-2-7-Inch/dp/B014X23ATS?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A5W45QDYAHWB2
So, ultimately, I guess, what's a good camcorder for YouTube vids? I do NOT want to exceed $200, if at all possible.
If it can record for 2 hours in 720p, I'm more than happy.
But my Olympus
>pic related
only gets, AT MOST 70 minutes, and it has a automatic record end after 46 minutes
Any suggestions?
Is the $159.95 one good?
>>2843377
i directed you to the wrong thread sorry
>>2839992
>>2843377
sorry, pic:
Brought a cheap disposable camera figured i would try do something different with it, in the end it is just awful lomo shit.
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>>2843439
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>>2843441
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>>2843462
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I'm thinking of getting a rangefinder /p/. What do you think of the Konica Auto S2? Or the Ricoh 500RF?
There's someone selling me $75 for the two cameras. Are they good?
is /film/ unboxing friendly?
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ill just keep posting then
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wewww
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its a r3m lads. looking very lonely without the lens. it hasnt arrived yet
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>>2843614
congrats. how does it feels in the hands? is it cold?
>>2843622
it certainly aint warm my dude
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>>2843623
but is it comfy?
>>2843612
>>2843614
hawt
>those chromabs tho
In other news, I'm beggaring myself on macodirect...
>>2843627
So i also have a canonet. Its shaped like a brick but the position of the shutter and the lack of a raised grip allows me to move my hand around more freely.
The bessa's shutter takes a bit more reach from the finger and has a raised grip, so its a bit more filling in the hands. The angle of the grip is interesting, it forces you to hold the camera in a functional way, where I'm sort of cupping the back instead of the side (maybe this makes it easier to take quicker shots because you can access the advance quicker?). Of course this could just be because I have small hands.
If I were to give my a6000 a score itd be 9/10 for holdability. The bessa gets a 7.5 because the angle of the grip doesnt fit my thumb (maybe small hands). And the canonet gets a 4-5
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>>2843136
App reliability depends on the phone. Light Meter Free+ on my iPhone 4S gave identical results to my Sekonic l-308 everytime.
>>2842567
>you're going to run into the dynamic range limit of your scanner and computer monitor far before you run into the dynamic range limit of film
Not with slide film you won't. Chromes have a pretty narrow DR, which is why they're so much harder to expose properly than print film. They're about on par with a DSLR from 10 years ago.
Print film is a different story, though. It's got a lot of latitude, but the curves are weird compared to what we're used to with digital, and you'll see highlights become brighter and shadows become darker than they'd be on a modern digital image. That's why we spent so much time burning and dodging in the darkroom in the old days.
>>2843434
this one is great, I didn't even realize it was two frames
the rest not so much
>>2842567
Print film and most B&W has a ton of latitude while you're shooting, which lets you shoot at ISO 100, or in some cases, up to 1600 on the same film stock without issue.
But once you've developed it, bringing up shadows and bringing down highlights, and overall moving the exposure around in post, doesn't really work nearly as well as a current gen digital sensor.
Hey guys, I broke my Android phone the other day and I can't get the Darkroom Timer app for the Windows Phone POS I'm using as a temporary replacement.
Is there a PC equivalent you guys can recommend, so I can just use my laptop? Obviously I can just do it the old fashioned way with a watch if I have to, but a hands off solution that knows when to switch chemicals, agitate, etc would be a nice thing.
>>2843736
>>2843744
first of all, you guys misread my post. I'm not compasing film vs. digital sensors, I'm talking about scanning negatives.
It's extremely difficult to capture all the usable information within a negative accurately, even with relatively advanced scanners or DSLR setups.
he is shooting CN film (superia). he is most definitely not "blowing the highlights" with a 1-2 stop overexposure.
>>2843744
and this is utterly false, anyway. you have an incomplete understanding of how film works
>>2843758
>It's extremely difficult to capture all the usable information within a negative accurately, even with relatively advanced scanners or DSLR setups.
No it fucking isn't. Negatives might have a lot of dynamic range but it's very compressed, so they're very easy to scan. Ever wonder why straight scans are so low contrast?
>>2843763
low contrast doesn't mean you're necessarily capturing all the information that could be brought out in an optical print, it depends on your light source and scanning methods
look at this
>>2842540
if you simply darken those highlights, you're going to be missing out on detail. it would be like having a RAW file, then re-photographing it as JPEG. there is information that is lost in translation
not saying that good scanners don't exist, but there going to be outside the budget of most /p/hotographers and local drugstore film labs
>>2843768
Which is why you expose to the right to capture all that delicious highlight detail, then play with the RAW after...
Is it worth spending the extra €40 or so on getting the Olympus OM-1N or the OM-1 is fine?
Probably just shooting it manual w/o the lightmeter
I got brownie no. 2 from a friend in a trade the other day and i was wondering how long i can expose iso 100 film at the smallest aperture. I think its f22 but i can make it smaller if i need to cause i want to do pretty long exposures (ex. 1 min. ). Can you guys please help me out. Ive researched and i dont own a light meter but i dont have to be exact i just want to be in the ball park.
1/?
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>>2843853
2/?
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>>2843854
3/?
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>>2843855
4/?
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>>2843856
5/?
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>>2843857
I will cease now
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>>2843857
I like this one
>>2843870
cheers bruh
leeds backsies
>>2843805
What do you mean? It depends on the light of the scene. If you're in complete darkness you can expose it for how long you want, if you're on the surface of the sun you can only expose for 10^-693 seconds, ...
>>2843612
sweet. what lens you waiting on?
>>2843749
Fucking millennials
>um guys my darkroom timer app broke, is there another timer app I could use for this, or is it possible to use a vintage-style analog timer for this? I'd prefer to use an app tho, as timing whilst watching the hands can be quite complicated and confusing for me.
>>2843948
you made it tamer. his wording and "problems" were way worse. fucking millenials.
>>2843859
>I will cease now
ty
>>2843612
hou much moneys tho
>>2843749
Oculus rift/any VR system is the perfect darkroom solution. Just put it on and forget. Forget.
>>2843612
HNNNNNNNNNNGH. How much did you pay for it? I've been considering getting a bessa mechanical to replace my M6 for a while now.
>>2844097
>>2844037
It was 800 AUD. I regret not getting into film earlier last year before they stopped production, would have been much cheaper then. They certainly aren't going to get any cheaper from now on so I thought might as well bite the bullet if i intend on getting one in the future anyway.
I have no experience with leica so I wont be able to compare
>>2843904
Probably not a surprise that i bought the nokton 40mm 1.4. I really enjoyed the 40mm on my canonet so i wanted to continue using that focal length.
>>2844220
>there's a black M5 for sale for $800 on gumtree atm
>zeiss ikon exists
you fail it
>>2844220
Cool. Sounds like a top choice for lens. I was thinking about getting one myself. Let us know how it works out for you
>>2841741
>unless you shoot КИEB
lol what?
Haven't had issues from my КИEB 6C, cheapest one I could find on ebay.
>but i still dont trust it
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>>2844220
from where in aus?
What 35mm is still in production (negative/colour)? The only ones I can find readily available are:
Fuji Superia
Kodak Gold/Colorplus/Ektar/Colorplus
Is this all I can get if I don't want to pay for slide film?
>>2844319
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Film+Type_Color+Negative&ci=2545&N=4093113317+4130468176+4019732826+4130468183
>>2844070
I feel the same about your photos
>>2844333
Why are you mad tho? He said the truth
Picked this up a couple of days ago, any tips on shooting medium format?
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>>2844374
Successfully composing square images may take some getting used to. Here's a link I found useful when I was getting started.
http://photoinf.com/General/Wim_van_Velzen/Composition_with_a_6x6_-_Square_Scotland.htm
Here's my current film backlog for developing. I honestly haven't a clue what's on most of these at this point...
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>>2844355
I'm not mad, I welcome criticism, I just like it when others share photos. I was under the impression that was the purpose of this board
>>2844374 Cropping is not a sin. If you want to take a 3:2 photo, just compose for it and crop.
zeiss ikon vs minolta cle
leaning towards the minolta but either way I'll probably end up overpaying because these things are becoming niche and difficult to find.
>>2844415
>Cropping is not a sin. If you want to take a 3:2 photo, just compose for it and crop.
dont listen to this cu.ckold.
>>2844374
Nice 'cord, I have one and love it. What's the point of the UV filter on the viewing lens, BTW?
>>2844437
why not just get a leica?
>>2844260
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
Also, lel at your scanning.
>canon banding strikes again
>>2844437
One of these is practically a new camera, with patrician 35/50 framing and massive RF base length.
The other is a 40 year old menelta.
I've always used an SLR as my main film camera. why is everyone seemingly obsessed with rangefinders these days? what are the benefits? it seems like their more expensive just because of their increased popularity
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>>2844648
Thanks the scan is shit till i get a macro lens again for DSLR scanning.
Whats gay?
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>>2844682
I personally hate using rangefinders. I much prefer SLR viewfinders to a rangefinder.
>>2844682
>these days
As if they haven't been popular for decades already.
The focusing is different, so you might compose different, and also shoot with both eyes open. You might see outside the frame which can be useful. Not having a mirror between the lens and film allows for different lens designs. And often rangefinders are sleeker, lighter and quieter.
>>2844682
I like my rangefinder for quietness and its was cheap.
I use an SLR for everything but street.
![IMG_9857-viewfinder-view[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5bQFuCP.jpg "IMG_9857-viewfinder-view[1].jpg")
>>2844701
>>2844704
>>2844705
I'm still a little confused about how rangefinders work. is the image within the smaller yellow frame the image actually captured on the film? or is the smaller frame what you see, but the film actually captures an area around that?
also, if the answer is the former, why don't they just black-out everything around the smaller frame so that your viewfinder is exactly the same as captured on the film, like an SLR?
>>2844743
>why don't they just black-out everything around the smaller frame so that your viewfinder is exactly the same as captured on the film, like an SLR?
Some rangefinders change the frame lens depending on what lens is attached. WIth a 28mm lens attached you may be using the whole viewfinder frame. With a 50mm lens attached it may be the smaller, interior frame. This allows you to use different lenses without needing external viewfinders.
>>2844747
change the frame lines****
>>2844444
nice get
>>2844743
My fed 3 is just a finder for 50mm FOV and is blacked at the edges with no lines
Some people like to see outside of the framge as well
Is DigitaLiza worth it for scanning film purposes?
Found one for $25.
>>2843948
>millenials
Actually, I'm in my 30s and was shooting and developing film when DSLRs were in their infancy. I went to school for photography when the first 3 years out of 4 were nothing but film, and my first job in the industry was as an assistant to a fashion photographer who had me developing a dozen or more rolls of 120 a day. (Albeit with a rotary processor, which made things a bit easier.) I've probably processed more film than the entire rest of /p/ put together.
That said, my eyes are going to shit and staring at the little tiny stopwatch display on my watch is kinda hard, plus it's easy to lose track of time while preparing chemicals for the next step with one hand while agitating with the other. It's also just nice to kinda zone out while souping roll after roll, maybe you guys really enjoy the process but I've done too many in my life and just want my film done and ready for printing.
>>2844807
I'm having a hard time believing you've developed more rolls than all of /p/ combined and haven't used various different timers and cannot come up with a solution on your own to such a simple problem
>>2844811
I said straight out in the original post that I can just do it the normal way with a stopwatch and that an app is just convenient. That's how I've been doing it lately, just thought /p/ might know about something to make things a bit more streamlined.
The darkroom timer app revolutionized developing for me, almost as much as digital did for photography in general. Suddenly I don't have to dig through a notebook full of developing solutions and keep track of every single step, and can instead just load up whichever one I want and have everything handed to me. It's damn nice.
>>2844813
Dude what the hell. The only thing that changes is the developing time. Fixing time, stop bath, etc should all remain the exact same. MassiveDevChart and be done.
Just blew my load on a Bessa R3m, and felt the analogous sense of regret right afterwards.
>>2844834
>Just blew my load on a Bessa R3m
I don't think you know what that means...
>>2844829
Guess you've got a point.
Like I say, it's just convenience. I don't really get any joy out of pouring chemicals in and out of a tank and just want it to be as simple and easy as possible.
I'm also kind of a moron because I just realized that I have an Android tablet and can probably just get the MassiveDevChart timer app for it.
>>2844838
I was jerking off and I ejaculated
it's an analogy m8
>>2844879
>Zeiss Ikon seems to be going for more than an M6 though
That's because the Ikon is a badass camera, and the M6 gives today's LeicaMan about as much street cred as a ten year old Porsche Cayenne gives a realestate agent.
Nothing's more un/fa/ than last years fashion.
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whats with rape prices of the mju on eBay. any cheaper alternatives or cheaper links?
Out of this pic related, only the Nikon works (after I fixed the light seals myself), as well as the Leica (after an expensive shutter repair). The Rollei generally works, with occasional light leaks, and the FOCA works, but its lens is total crap. The others are bricks.
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>buy a Mamiya 645 Super
>Take it on holiday
>shoot a few rolls
>dev them
>major backfocusing issues
pic related, was focused on the dude in white. Should have shot a test roll before I took it with me.
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>>2844682
rangefinders
>smaller
>much more quiet
>no viewfinder blackout
>lenses are better
>focusing is more accurate and quick
slr
>more accurate framing
>more versatile when it comes to lenses
>less expensive for a good one
>not having to deal with rangefinder problems like parallax or misaligned rangefinder
>closer minimum focusing
>>2844954
Why don't manual focus SLR lenses have a similar focussing lever like rangefinders do?
>>2844955
I'm assuming it's because RFs are way smaller and you generally naturally only use one finger to focus them, whereas on an SLR, the way you hold the camera naturally lends itself to focusing using thumb and forefinger.
>>2844954
>smaller
Well I fell for the rangefinder meme.
Is it true though that rangefinder lenses are better? I haven't used this camera yet.
>>2844814
Why?
I don't have a film holder and it seems to make scanning easier and improves overall quality of the scans?
>>2845040
the fact that there's no mirror means that the lens is closer to the film, so in theory it's possible to have better performance while staying smaller, shitty rangefinders exist. I wouldn't sweat it though, the olympus om are as small, quiet as slrs get and their lenses are brilliant so the differences won't be very noticeable apart from the focusing mechanism.
>>2845040
>buys cheap rangefinder and thinks he has a real one
good job i hope mommy is proud
>>2844952
You should be able to adjust your focus screen. I recently had some back focus issues on my RZ67, adjusted the screen and now I'm right as rain.
There should be little screws underneath the screen that control the height, take apart the film holder, lock open the shutter with bulb mode, and put a piece of frosted scotch tape across where the film would go. Adjust focus on your screen, then check the tape with a magnifier, adjusting the focus until it's right on the film plane. Then just adjust your screen until they match. This method should get you very close, make a test roll then adjust from there.
OM4TI vs Nikon F3?
>>2845216
F3. Better built, better accessories, better lens selection.
Only downside is price.
>>2845216
pentax spotmatic.
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I borrowed a film camera, but I still haven't developed any pictures
would a regular scanner be enough for a good digitalization? (besides post-processing) why?
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>>2845457
A "regular" scanner? No, you need a scanner that can scan transparencies and negatives, the difference being that these are backlit.
>>2842455
shit i had this problem with my nikon f3. the film won't stay on the sprocket's teeth. realized i had to curl the end of the tail of the film and roll the 2nd sprocket inward to get it clamped on.
>>2845457
>>2845472
If pic related is scanner it looks like it has backlight
Also what format film? My 35mm HP5 is WAY better DLSR scanned with a macro lens but I tend to use a scanner for 120 HP5 film where the negative is much bigger and the scanner gets decent resolution.
Also if your a poorfag like me I use a regular scanner and use my 2009 macbook + empty (blank/white) text edit as a backlight.
Been shooting a lot lately, just carrying this thing on the street is really pretty fun honestly. Spent about 4 hours in the darkroom tonight, gonna scan a bunch of prints and a new contact later.
Anybody know of a good wrist strap for my meter? Probably just gonna use a wiimote strap.
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>>2845521
Contacts are so aesthetic
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>>2845564
>underexposed black people
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>>2845589
Yea, those negs are a bit thin, when I make the full print I should be able to get them looking better.
>>2845093
WHat's the difference between a cheap rangefinder and a real one?
Anyone in NZ that could recommend me a place that does decent digital scans?
I took a roll to photo warehouse and the resolution is absolute garbage and half of the jpgs are corrupted and turned out like pic related.
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>>2845621
The usual things that differentiate cheap and expensive things. Better optics, ergonomics, build quality.,
That anon saying that's not a real rangefinder though is stupid b8 tho
DSLR scanning has failed me /p/. What's a good high resolution flatbed film scanner?
I've been shooting digital for a year or so now and I was wanting to get into film photography.
Can anyone recommend a good film camera to start out with for around 100 pounds or less. I was thinking of maybe going for a canon a1, is this a good choice?
>>2845806
V700 is okay. the rest are all pretty terrible.
>>2845813
Sure.
Any decent non flatbed scanners?
Read about some dedicated 35mm scanners which might be best as I only shoot 35mm.
>>2845751
except you usually miss the zone focus experience on those pos. not to mention, the patch is usually dead.
>>2845814
what about the epson v600?
>>2845861
It's worse than the V700.
If you have 35mm, get a dedicated film scanner like the Plustek 8100.
If you have medium format, get better at DSLR scanning.
If you have large format, the V700.
My V600 gave me good results with medium format and usable results with 35mm. I compared the quality of the scans to a dedicated 35mm scanner and the dedicated plustek scanner did a better job but not by enough to justify ditching MF as I shot that a lot.
If I was to buy another scanner (As I emigrated and had to sell my old one) I would go with another epson flatbed
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>>2845806
>DSLR scanning has failed me
no, u failed.
Got some b&w reversal film in the mail for 8mm shoot. It was refrigerated until it was sent to me (exp. in 2015) and once I got it I put it back in the fridge again. Can it stay in there for a few more months and be shot at its original asa or does it need to be shot at a lower sensitivity (was originally 250)?
>>2846129
>exp 2015
Mate it'll be fine for a few more years in the fridge to shoot at its listed ISO
i really want to buy a yashica mat 124g tlr on ebay
it comes to $242 Canadian.
it's untested, o i take the risk?
>>2845521
gordys camera straps are good
>>2846177
expensive as fuck, you can def get a better price
>>2846179
i cant find one anywhere
that's the standard on ebay and my local listings has one for $350
any better place to buy used film cameras
>>2846179
i'll clarify
it's $150 USD = $200 Canadian + $40 shipping
I've never bought cameras online before so I'm worried about paying $240 for a brick
>>2845828
>tfw the patch on my XA is super dim
it's such a shame but I use it anyway
>>2846182
>that's the standard on ebay and my local listings has one for $350
thats because ur a cuck that wont go into auctions. just do it, i got 25 rolls of 400NC 220 for about $30.
>>2846209
>, i got 25 rolls of 400NC 220 for about $30.
I'm actually 100% sure that you're full of shit
>>2846209
The auctions start at 150 go check for yourself.
>>2846216
youre right. its worse. i got them in a normal "pay now" sale from a girl from canarias, they were labeled under "kodak rollos lomografía".
>>2846223
>Starting Price US $24.97 May-17-16 20:22:56
fuck off.
>>2846226
>Starting Price US $24.97 May-17-16 20:22:56
>for parts or repair
why are people on this site so fucking stupid
>>2846236
>why are people on this site so fucking stupid
because youre looking at the wrong auction. keep being a cuck, faggot.
>>2846245
then you're looking at the wrong camera
>I was just pretending!
Turns out 15 month old Xtol is fine if you give it an extra couple minutes (Tri-X @ 1600).
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Another with the Sigma 30/1.4 Art.
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>>2846257
i cant tell if this is a man or a woman
>>2845651
>fujifilm sp-2000 scanner
Does that scanner suck? My developer has a fuji sp-3000 and the resolution is only around 1800x1200 pixels.
If I'm looking to get into film photography, how much should I be paying for a Pentax K1000 off of ebay?
>>2846384
>2016
>>2846501
$0.
Buy a camera with a proper focusing screen and aperture priority ability.
>>2846506
Such as?
How much of a disadvantage are Bessa's short rangefinder base lengths?
>>2846510
A newer pentacks like an ME?
Any Nikon, such as those in OP?
Any Olympus?
Most Ricohs?
K1000's are just too big, heavy, old and expensive for what they are.
>>2846526
I'm sure they're perfectly fine for anything shorter than 50 and slower than f/1.4
any spotmatic type pentax but with auto capabilities?
>>2846533
I find 50 1.1 on a R2A just fine. A longer RF base would be better, but the Bessa's certainly isn't a problem.
>>2846537
Not Pentax, but the Chinon CE II and III Memotron have aperture priority with any M42 lens iirc (and a bunch of other nice features). Don't know if they have full auto too.
