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Hi /p/
Can you give some advice for SLR/mirrorless camera that supports m42 lens with glassless adapter?
It must be Full frame, with some kind focus assist
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>>2811756
The original Sony A7 is used a lot for this kind of stuff.
>>2811760
thanks
sony mirrorless looks like my only option
nikons can't have infinity focus (3m tops)
canons can throw mirror into lens (50/50)
>>2811766
>canons can throw mirror into lens (50/50)
Only FF and only if back lens is going far from adapter. It's rare case and there are many info about different lens.
>>2811756
Every DSLR and mirrorless except nikon supports M42 lenses with a simple extender adapter ring, Nikon only with an optical element or without infinity focus.
So Pentax K-1, Canon FF line, Sony A7 line.
What is your problem with crop bodies besides the usual "muh fool frame" fad?
>>2811793
>What is your problem with crop bodies besides the usual "muh fool frame" fad?
1. FF lens on crops have different focal length and also gives deeper focus
2. FF have better low light performance
3. crop sensors crops image parts that i want to keep (harder to get swirley bokeh on crops)
looks like im gonna go with used canon FF, they have cheap adapters, lens
i could get canon 2x cheaper than sony a7
>>2811801
So the fool frame fad.
>gives you deeper focus
only if youre a retard and try to use your 50 on crop as a normal
>2. FF have better low light performance
any good APS-C camera has fine low light performance too.
You don't need iso 256,000
>3. crop sensors crops image parts that i want to keep (harder to get swirley bokeh on crops)
Only because you're trying to use 50s as 50s on crop.
There are 28mm swirly bokeh lenses too, you know.
>>2811806
>There are 28mm swirly bokeh lenses too, you know.
???
>>2811808
Any Triplet or Tessar has swirly bokeh. Industar 69 is a 28mm.
>>2811825
so i need to rethink my shooting techniques
i have 2x 44m-4, 44-2
no swirly for me
>>2811827
Swirly bokeh is more than just your lens choice. That has a big effect on the character of it, but you have to foster swirly bokeh in the first place.
The internet might lead you to believe that every shot with a Helios or similar will be filled with swirly backgrounds, but that's not really the case. You need pretty busy foliage or whatnot in the OOF area in the first place.
And likewise, you'll notice that many lenses not typically thought of as swirly bokeh lenses do in fact have it, if you subject them to things like...an OOF pine tree 8 yards away. The ubiquitous 50mm 1.8s, for example, all have a minor amount of it that can be amplified.
You can also make any lens swirl more (albeit more unpredictably) by just sticking a black paper cap over the lens with a hole erratically torn in the middle.
>>2811830
will try tomorrow
but am i wrong that it is easier to get that effect on FF than on crops?
>>2811827
You need a certain distance ratio of camera to subject / subject to background. Having speckular highlights in the background helps a lot, or having finer detail like foliage or dry leaves etc...
You need to open the background CoC up to a certain point to have that characteristic swirlies. The Helios 77 has more prominent swirls.
I don't go for it often, I like the lower contrast with the slightly muted colors while having a tack-sharp focus with nicely melted background.
>>2811832
When it swirls, it swirls. On a crop body you can put less background on the frame with the swirls but it will be there. You just have to frame like on an 85mm or 90mm lens.
>>2811832
Sort of.
If you're trying to frame using the lens the same way as you would on FF, then yes, but you shouldn't be doing that. Treat lenses as their equivalence.
Using a 50mm as a short tele actually results in MORE bokeh, not less, than using a 50mm as a normal on FF. Because the working distances are different for most applications.
>>2811843
Sort of, but I like to think of it regarding image qualities like Bokeh and DoF it is still the 58mm lens (if we are still talking about the Helios 44) but while on FF you can do full body portraits with lots of surroundings on a crop sensor you work with the same DoF and CoC/Bokeh as on FF only you are left with upper body portraits, just like... "cropping out" of a FF image. heh.
You still work the lens as the equivalent focal length but you get the original lens qualities.
For me it's less thinking and more shooting. When I was a wee beginner I didn't understand fully but after thinking like this no stupid equivalent focal length debate can derail me from shooting what I like.
>>2811825
Try 77M-4. It has better effect.
Picrelated on crop.
M42 lenses are GOAT.
Why do you need focus assist, OP? Why can't you just get a regular Pentax or Praktica?
>>2812194
>Why do you need focus assist, OP?
>Why can't you just get a regular Pentax or Praktica?
such as?
>>2812194
I think the OP wants a digital camera.
OP here
the main problem is that i already have nikon crop
so i learned in hard way about poor love to m42
could live view show that swirly?
>>2812214
yes, put live view on to show the swirl and snap a photo of the screen with your phone
>>2812214
M42 on Nikon will always be a leon. Flange distance is longer than M42/Pentax K so you will always lose infinity focus.
Like the other anon said, put on liveview with pixel peaking and magnify on the subject, focus and shoot. That's how I use my M42 lenses on my K-3.
Just don't try doing landscapes or far away things because of the infinity focus.
>>2812226
do you get swirly?
OP here
this is most swirls i got
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>>2812341
thanks for your input
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>>2812361
It's not the leaves or tree, it's about speckular highlights in the background.
Do you understand it?
>>2812362
yes
ey op!
i have a nikon crop also
and have two m42 lens
i bought in ebay the ring adaptor
they are 2 model
one is only the metal ring
and another the metal ring with an extra lens
the better option is buy the 2 models and try it.
are very cheap
2 or 3 dollars
>>2812548
hi, OP here
i bought both models
ring with lens gives poor image quality (diffraction?) at apertures under F/1.7 - F/2.8
so that ring i a bit useless because people get those m42 lens to use them at those apertures
also that ring doesn't push pin that for some lens controls aperture (so lens are always wide open)
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>>2811793
>>2811806
>OP wants a full frame camera to use with lenses designed for 135 format
>APS-C shill appears, claims OP is clueless
Yep, just a regular day on /p/.
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>>2813267 #
>second half of the XIXth century
>large format plates require long focal lengths forcing shallow depth of field
>"optics" as a science is nonexistant or at best fledgling, leaving lens design to experimenting individuals, amateurs, artisans
>the shortcommings of contemporary crude lenses - chromatic, spherical abberation, viginetting - force photographers to stop down their lenses severely, even further limiting the extremely slow emulsions'/processes' exposure times
>the petzval's exceptional speed (below f/10!!!) comes at the price of a swirly, viginetting bokeh, rendering it solely acceptable for portraiture where sub-second exposure times are more important than perfect rendering of image edges
>one and a half century of scientific progress takes place, we take cameras to the moon, hostile and corrosive venus, a manmade machine makes stunning panoramas of the martian dunes
>in the year of our lord two thousand and sixteen, on a mindblowingly advanced piece of electronic equipment, crowning the development of consumer photography, people are intentionally replicating the unwanted, necessary shortcommings of our predecessors' lenses
If you mounted Daguerre and Niepce's coffins to a dynamo you could probably power all of western europe from the force with which they must now be spinning in their graves, you horrible, horrible human beings.
>>2813289
Stop being picky. Every defect has nice effect.
>>2813324
The 50mm f1.2 projector lens which took the pics you're reposting was designed for 16mm film and its 10.23 × 7.49mm frame size, so even the APS-C sensor is overextending beyond its useable image circle. This would look ridonkulous on FF. And hey, I'm an owner of two f1.8 projector lenses myself (120&130mm) that give an identical look on 6x6 MF so it's not like I'm against experimenting with unusual optics. I just remarked on the general notion through its historical context and how absurd it is.
>>2813289
Yeah and lots of people these days would rather eat a traditional sour dough bread the same way it was made 300 years ago than the modern scientific marvel that is Wonderbread.
Technically good photography can be boring, get over it.
>>2813389
funny you should say that, I used the exact same metaphor for this subject - yours is incomplete. Try traditional sour dough bread with grindstone chippings/grit, wearing your enamel away with every chewed slice. 'cos that's the true old timey bread experience in its fullest genuinity, as is viginetting, barrel distortion and chromab in older lens designs. A technical fault is NOT a feature, it's a lamentable unavoidable byproduct. And I stand by my point that intentionally recreating these faulty byproducts on state-of-the-art equipment because of being conditioned to consider them as aesthetic or artistic merit is ridiculous and amusingly bizzarre.
>>2813389
forgot to throw in ergot spores for good measure. sour dough bread my ass, if you can't take interesting photos without a crutch gimmick there's a plethora of filters and masks to inventively butcher the photo for you, without having to adapt or lug around a weird cine lens or overpriced lolography petzval
>>2813403
>Try traditional sour dough bread with grindstone chippings/grit, wearing your enamel away with every chewed slice. 'cos that's the true old timey bread experience
>he doesn't know there were people other than peasants with access to bread made from stuff other than dirt
Well I knew your family was poor...
>>2813410
And the ratio of people who had tons of money, to those who didn't was....?
>>2813403
The "technical fault" of swirly bokeh and soft corners can be an artistic merit for central subjects.
If you believe otherwise you are literally just a retarded technician with shitty old film cameras and zero worthwhile photos to sh-
>kurwa
oh
>>2813411
irrelevant, because we're not immitating the dirty sourdoughs of mudstreet.
Likewise, these are just lenses with optical flaws, not lenses made from toilet paper rolls and plastic lenses.
Kurwa sucks at equalizing his analogies.
>>2813412
It's kind of funny really, considering a lot of large format folks who take technically pristine images will often go for the swirly bokeh (minus the falloff) because it looks so fucking fine. Usually.
Anyhow a technically perfect but contentless shot can be boring. A terribly taken shot that has some semiotic potential, on the other hand, is still usually harder to get.
>>2813403
>A technical fault is NOT a feature
Depends entirely on why you are using a given item. If you're leveraging that "fault" for benefit, then it's not a fault. If you're fighting it, then it's a fault.
>>2813488
Source
>>2813403
>A technical fault is NOT a feature
If you're looking to reproduce that fault for a reason, then yeah, it is.
For instance, it's a fault of rear wheel drive cars that the back end sometimes kicks out and you skid around. Car manufacturers design their suspension and frame to try to minimize it. But if you're into drifting, that's a feature.
>>2813939
>Your photos are mildly better then OPs
hey!!
>>2813939
Why do you insult the OP?
>>2814589
none taken
Hello senpaitachi,
Does anyone know of a good rectilinear wide angle m42 lens? preferably wider than 28mm
>>2816921
The Flektogon 4/20 or 2.8/20(this one has worse distortion, still minimal), Mir 20 and mir 47 (clones of the flektogons, worse as is with soviet copies, but worse than excellent is still great).
At the time of its production, the Flektogon was an industry standard for architecture photography on the m42 mount because of its lack of distortion.
>>2816933
thanks, i'll see if i can track some down
