Is there a correlation between the two for you? Do you ever take music with you when you go shooting? Does it inspire you? If so what do you listen to when you're out there?
For me, music is the driving force in everything creative in me but I still love photography. So for the past year i've been trying to combine the two in photographing live shows. But getting into that field is so competitive. Plus I'm still trying to figure out what camera would be best for me at a decent price
Anyways
You're inspirations are what I'm getting at
And please post any shots pertaining to music you'd like to share.
>>2797598
never thought of listening to music while shooting. i should try it
>>2797606
I've been listening to Folding Leaves by Message To Bears
>>2797598
I usually to music while I shoot.
It helps for street stuff because the rhythm makes it easier to time things.
>>2797598
I used to, but being able to hear stuff is important to me.
>>2797598
>You're inspirations are what I'm getting at
Oh, my! Well, thank you very much.
did somebody say photography and music?
http://carlocavaluzzi.com
it's literally not competitive at all if you have good shit. I realized this really quickly. I'm open to questions.
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>>2797666
Well since I'm trying to get out there I could use some advice
To start
How did you get started? What allowed you to actually get into press pits?
Do you have general advice for someone trying to get their foot in the door?
What I've been doing is just going to as many shows as possible and I've been posting on everything I've been to. It's gotten me some attention and talking to bands and other people in the scene has helped but I still haven't gotten anywhere.
>>2797666
Also
That's so awesome that you got to shoot Thee Oh Sees and Black Lips
Love those shots
>>2797666
How do you get in if you don't have any good shit? This question is specifically for you btw
>>2797698
You get good shit.
Dude, if you're in a decent sized town, there's at least two concerts going on right now. They won't mind you shooting.
>>2797666
What would you recommend to someone who only has a budget of about 500 dollars?
>>2797666
nice trips dude
>>2797683
I shot warped tour while I was in high school because my teacher told me that kids got in a few years ago. borrowed my brother's DSLR while I was shooting film since I couldn't afford a good body.
ended up craving it real bad. did it again next year. still didn't have my own body. fast forward a few months and I buy a 5DM2 because I discovered the wonderful world of going to community college and getting grants for nothing.
shot punk shows around town and it was fun. a dude saw me shooting diarrhea planet and didn't recognize me so he was like "yo I run this publication" and it wasn't big but it got me into my first theater show in town and I was REALLY stoked.
did that for like a year and a half. shot a bunch of theaters. shot a few arenas. shot a few festivals (other big publication that I got lucky landing). ended up moving after two years of living in that town and now I shoot residency at a venue and I'm planning on touring this summer.
my advice is clear in my story. it's the most obvious response out there. JUST DO IT!!! like I couldn't tell you any other way. shoot shows that nobody gives a shit about but make those artists look badass. send that to local publications. shows that you'll do any level show and can create good content
path 2 is make a small portfolio (you should do that anyways) and send it directly to bands coming in town.
it takes a long time to develop steam but it's quick. I shot probably 10-15 shows for fun around town before I got noticed. I went from shooting punk shows to shooting my first arena in four months
>>2797687
continued shit!!
thank you. the one of thee oh sees is one of my favorites. all I did for that is ask my manager "hey can you ask if I can get a portrait" and they said sure so I nervously went into the green room and did it. I'm really bad with one-time interactions like that. I'm learning. the black lips portrait was because the festival they were playing sent me a list of ALL artists press contact so I emailed like 40 of them and got like 15 responses, 10 no's, and 5 yes's
>>2797698
you cannot get in if you don't have good shit. you create good shit by shitting and eventually it becomes good. in other words as I stated in the other post, just go to small shows/your friends' shows etc
>>2797699
this. there's a lot of shows always going on. always. if not in your town, nearby. driving never hurt anyone did it? (it has but shhh)
>>2797708
a t3i and a nifty fifty. if you're beginning those small shows you aren't going to get much light. don't shoot at 1.8 though.
flash makes bands look cool if done properly but it comes with a price. it's repetitive and annoys a lot of people. always ask the artist first.
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>>2797731
I guess I'll dump a little bit
here's my "highlight" shot from the first theater I ever shot. a little over a year ago.
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>>2797731
>you cannot get in if you don't have good shit.
but you got in.
>>2797733
the way you get into a small show with your camera is by going to the show with your camera
you do this long enough and you'll have an established portfolio for what you want to do next
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>>2797731
>>2797734
Where was that first warped tour?
Im in Socal and I can't even get a coolpix into a normal venue without security making double sure it isnt a DSLR
As for your story
It's basically what I've been doing for the past year but due to money I've just been using my phone and knowing the scene here. Once I get my camera I plan to go all out with every show I can get my hands on. And since other photographers and a couple zines have started following me with just work from my phone I think I have a shot. I won't be able to get that camera into any note worthy venues but im my area there is always underground shit with well known bands at least once a month
My plan is networking then showing what I can do with the better hardware
>>2797731
This is going to be a noob question but what's a nifty fifty?
>>2797734
Here's another im jealous of
Where was this?
Where i'm from FIDLAR has been playing venues that require press passes for DSLR's back since like 2012
This is one of my all time favorite bands too
And that looks like Zac's new ish guitar
When was this?
Posting some recent stuff
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I shoot while listening to music, but that's not really photography-specific, I just always have some headphones on.
>>2797756
My music photographer friends usually add the artist, venue and date.
I know this is a board just for the photography aspect of these images but this info doesn't hurt!
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>>2797764
Sorry, all of them were taken at the Fusion Club in Muenster
>>2797756
Sascha Braemer & Niconé
>>2797759
Madmotormiquel
>>2797761
Kolombo & Milk&Sugar
>>2797765
Westbam
and this one is Nico Stojan
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>>2797753
warped tour was in orlando, fl but it's EVERYWHERE. check the site for this summer. they let anyone in. make a fake website
that's good ambition though, keep at that plan. use what you have until you have more.
a nifty fifty is a 50mm 1.8, you can get one for dirt fuckin cheap.
this was also in orlando and it required a press pass. may 2015. I snuck on stage for this one. got kicked off by probably their manager after a minute
here's a shot from them in october. they were strict about flash this time lmao
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>>2797768
I really like these two
It sort of captures the relationship that a DJ needs to hold with the crowd in a live performance
As a DJ myself I know that it's half of the art of DJing
>>2797771
Ok thanks man!
Ill make sure to use all your advice
And nice job sneaking onto the stage
That's actually how I got the OP image
FYF is a pretty big festival in LA and I managed to get past security for that shot
Thats FKA Twigs last summer
>>2797598
Nothing on listening to music while shooting, unless you call shooting live shows with earplugs in that.
I started shooting shows in the beginning of December, and have had at least one show a month. I've got one more at the end of the month before I need to start contacting more bands to get press passes.
Pic related: From a show I shot this last Friday.
>>2797771
Also everybody listen to carlo he knows what he's talking about. He gave me tips on how to start in this scene.
(Just got a Canon 5D Mk II myself carlo)
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>>2797803
Whats your method for getting these gigs?
Did you let your portfolio do the talking? You said you started just a few months ago.
So far my best bet for getting better spots for shots and the bands actually using my work was from solely on me getting to know band members at their shows
Was it the music that drove it to you like it has for me?
I'm really trying for this and wouldn't mind your story too
Look for high energy segments. Songs have natural waves, with the peaks being the chorus. Often times the lighting changes up and gets very bright. These kinds of shots will have plenty of energy and emotion that can really help a photo sell.
Watch for interesting lighting highlighting the support members. Don't always shoot for the lead man. For big bands, stories always come up about the support members which can sell photos to publications, and for small bands, every member wants to see themselves on stage.
Kind of in line with the last one; Never. Forget. The. Drummer.
Drum nerds go apeshit over their favorite band's drummer, and rightfully so. They're the backbone of every song played.
Watch the band members interacting on stage. A lot of times (as long as the band isn't a block of wood on stage) bands mates move around, and get closer to each other for unique parts of a song. Guitars getting together for a duet, the lead man and drummer for a rap section, etc.
Lastly, don't always watch the playing band members. When someone isn't playing, they're free to do other stuff. Miming parts of the lyrics, mooning the crowd, firing confetti guns, etc.
Loving this advice
Thank you
>>2797856
As I drummer myself I totally fell this idea but I don't know how I feel about the actual instrument in focus. I feel it should be focused on not only him but also what he's doing. Does that make sense?
>>2797857
And this is awesome advice that I try to use sometimes if I'm lucky
I'm that kid with the phone and I grabbed this past week. This is Meatbodies and they all came together for a second. It's not great but it was definitely and awesome moment live
>>2797864
Please excuse my typos
Its late
>>2797783
oh festival stage is much bigger so you win
>>2797803
great camera. I want to upgrade but the 5D3 is like my only option and I want something better for low light. I would love an a7s but idk if it'll cut it.
>>2797846
keep at it. it'll take awhile or a lucky connection to be at that level. tour photographer would be the proper term, I haven't toured YET though. this summer though.
>>2797864
Yeah, you can do either close ups or full kit shots. Both work well.
I personally prefer close ups with some of the kit in the foreground (especially if the drummer also does vocals, so you can see their mic) like in my other shot, but it depends on the venue, lighting, and what lenses you have to work with.
Sometimes you can get closer, sometimes even a full kit shot is hard to get. Just depends.
>>2797731
Why a fifty?
>>2798212
I'm not going to say this as a definitive answer, but probably because
>>2797858
>>2797857
>>2797855
>>2797853
Were all shot on 50. Some of his samples were probably also shot on 50.
For small venues, 50's are easily one of of the best lenses available. A 24-70 would TECHNICALLY be even better, but I'm not going to spend $1700 for one, when a $220 used 50/1.4 works well enough.
Until you get hooks into the market, get press passes, and start shooting stadiums, you aren't going to need professional zoom lenses, because small venues that vary from completely dead to only half full are going to be your only real shooting spots.
You're also not going to be limited to 3 minutes in the pit, so moving around and changing out primes (if needed) is much less stressful.
>>2798266
Ok thanks a bunch
I also have a friend recommending the pancake. A 40mm with f/2.8
Thoughts?
>>2798340
That's fine. There's not a ton of difference between the 50mm and 40mm focal lengths.
Biggest downside that you might run into is a maximum aperture of f/2.8 instead of 1.8/1.4. Aside from that, it's a much, much smaller lens which you might like dealing with, but it's perfectly useable.
>>2798343
Alright I'll keep that in mind. Thanks
And hey Carlo
If you're still here
Look what just got announced at my usual venue
Maybe I'll get lucky!
>>2798032
>keep at it.
How can I keep at it when I just can't easily go to a concert and start shooting?
Should I just sneak in my DSLR and shoot like crazy afterwards ask the band what they think of my photos?
What I fear is that the bands might get creeped out by me randomly shooting at their concerts.
>>2798489
You don't necessarily start at like event centers. You go to like coffee shops, bars, and the like. Get to know the manager, talk to the bands, etc.
>>2798212
well for his budget can you recommend a better lens? it's a very solid focal length and has a great f stop for it's price. although I miiiiiight recommend something a little wider for APS-C
>>2798266
and basically this
>>2798480
don't ask too early don't ask too late. I recommend week of show. don't hit them up too many times. also know that the publicist manages multiple artists and not just them.
>>2798489
you can easily go to a concert and start shooting if it isn't a big concert. you can't really start out doing big shit, that's a big thing here. you gotta work your way up gradually. that's why I LOVE concert photography. it's so so so so so discouraging and there's nothing I love more than those people at those levels of shows. it feels good seeing people try
you can sneak your DSLR in every now and then (attached pic from a james blake show) but that's risky. one time I tried sneaking mine in because me and a friend were shooting and they fucked up and only got one pass for us. I snuck in the venue and they sent security after me. lady said "I'm gonna be nice and tell you to just put it back in your car" and I took full advantage because my friend ended up tired of shooting so he gave me his pass and I went back in lmao
bands will not fear you shooting basically ever. if they say something then obviously stop but there will probably never be a situation like that. flash could be an annoyance but that's a different story.
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>>2798497
>You don't necessarily start at like event centers. You go to like coffee shops, bars, and the like. Get to know the manager, talk to the bands, etc.
So what you mean by that is that I should ask first the event manager or the bands if I can shoot them during their performance?
Then those shots will be part of my portfolio in the future so I can already charge bands?
>>2798604
>you can easily go to a concert and start shooting if it isn't a big concert. you can't really start out doing big shit, that's a big thing here. you gotta work your way up gradually. that's why I LOVE concert photography. it's so so so so so discouraging and there's nothing I love more than those people at those levels of shows. it feels good seeing people try
Do you mean that you see a lot of fellow photogs wanting to try enter the venue just by themselves so they can shoot the band?
I literally don't know anyone who has a connection to a band. Let alone a concert photographer that can show me the ropes on how to be a professional concert or tour photographer.
>>2798725
Yeah you should take your camera to small venues that show local bands. Shoot whoever is playing, and talk to them after their set. Tell them what you're doing, where you can shoot at, etc. Bring business cards to hand out to a couple of the band members (or their manager if they have one). Most of my invitations to shoot larger venues have been from bands I shot randomly at whatever local venue they were at.
>>2797598
Very nice
>>2798725
I was at a coffee shop show a couple weeks backs just because I had time to kill and my friends friend knew the people
I was in a hurry so I didn't bother introducing myself but I had my little dinky camera and took a few pictures even though no one else was
I later got their name from that friend
Then just sent them the pictures. Literally just said "hey I took these"
And they got super excited and used them and their media pages
Bands do really like getting their picture taken
>>2798725
yeah most smaller shows I go to I will have a photographer or two shooting and it makes me happy
if you don't have band connections, do what >>2798962 was saying. just go to shows you want to go to and shoot. bands love their photos getting taken 19/20 times
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>>2797807
>Whats your method for getting these gigs?
Find out what shows are coming up near you. Then find the band's PR person, email them linking them to your website asking for a photo pass.
>Did you let your portfolio do the talking? You said you started just a few months ago.
My first show was December 2nd, 2015. My portfolio had barely anything on it at the time at the time, and practically no live music related photos. The only live music photos I had on there at the time was ~40 shots from the crowd at Red Rocks, and two mediocre close-up shots of a band playing at a very small venue I snuck my camera into. Didn't get to shot the headliner though because the security guard saw I didn't have a press pass.
>Was it the music that drove it to you like it has for me?
I just started going to concerts myself as a young adult (I'm 19), and I always saw photographers in the pit. I was confident in my skills of taking photographs of people (I'm into portraiture type work) I decided live music wouldn't be all that far off. So I decided to email bands coming to local venues ranging in capacity of 700-1200. Once I turn 21 it will open up a lot more shows to me in my city.
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>>2799105
I'm surprised you were given the chance to shoot an artists without having much to show in that field
Nice job
Who was it?
Good for you for getting on that for your age
I'm 23 and I'm blessed to have a lot of bars and other places that are 21+ Only that have some good talent
>>2799156
>I'm surprised you were given the chance to shoot an artists without having much to show in that field
That should be your sole takeaway from this thread.
>>2799165
I'll make sure to post some shit here when I get in the pit
>>2799156
Me too kinda, but as long as you're good photographer, they don't care. Your work speaks for its self.
My first show I was given a photo pass to was The Chainsmokers. Also it was the first band I ever contacted to get a photo pass. I think that instant yes into the world of concert photography help me keep my momentum to peruse other bands.
Pic related, first show.
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>>2797732
Against Me! Fuck yes.
>>2799204
That's isnt that bad of a first gig too
If you guys have instas for these you should post them
>>2799204
very valid point
it's basically fake it till you make it. I remember getting approved to shoot Rush when my portfolio was all local bands at smaller venues. you just need some good photos and some good networking.
>>2799205
great show great band
>>2799227
http://instagram.com/carlocavaluzzi/
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>>2800112
>I remember getting approved to shoot Rush when my portfolio was all local bands at smaller venues.
Yeah man goddamn last year was such a long time ago. So hard to remember.
>>2800114
remembering something and struggling to remember something are two completely different things you fuck
How do you guys usually focus shooting concerts? Focus and recompose? Centerpoint? All points autofocus?
>>2800174
Manual focus for me.
Partially because I've started shooting film on an FM2 that requires manual focus, partially because screwing with AF points takes too long, and in dark venues, no guarantee it will work correctly.
Cult of Luna
>>2800247
ISIS
>>2800248
ISIS
>>2800250
ISIS
>>2800251
Fear fall burning
>>2800252
Kammerflimmer Kollektief
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Kammerflimmer Kollektief
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Well im going to tell you guys how i started.
Being a metal dude and going to shows of really low attendance is quite easy, you keep practicing and getting better. Once i have the pictures i sent them via facebook to the bands, they might share it they might not.
Eventually i started going to festivals, hey im attending anyway to see the bands i like so... i write the promoters. Usually goes like this "hey im going to the fest, im not asking for a free ticket or pass, im just asking for a safe spot to take photos in the frontline, do you provide press passes?"
They asked me if i take the photos for some magazine/webzine, At first i was a noob and i replied that i do it just for fun and hobby, so obviously i wouldnt get a pass. Eventually i made my own facebook profile and started uploading the ton of shit i have and i talked to some old friends who has a webzine and started writing live reviews for them with the photos. Now when i ask for a photopass i dont get negative answers.
I think they key is what Carlos said, go to small shows and practice a lot.
What lens do you guys recommend? im the one who opened the other thread yesterday.
I used live music as a way to get more motivated about photography in general. When I first convinced myself to seriously consider photography I contacted a friend who was working the local singer songwriter scene. I went to a few of his gigs in different venues and then kept going back to those venues week after week. I'd ask the musicians for their contact details and email them the best shots of the night that I got.
They in turn would give me a shout when they had a big gig coming up. I shot most of them for free but they were the small time gigs you would never get paid for anyway.
It ended up I was getting requests for legit portrait shoots, I also did a bit of video work for a band who went to play a live set at the national broadcasters studio for one of the big radio stations.
I moved abroad shortly after and find myself now out in the sticks. No big music venues, no scenes. Just old people and nature. I'm still struggling to recover from that, I attempted some landscapes but they're not for me. I would kill to get back to a big city, I was working a full time job but still went out every night to shoot. It was a blast
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>>2800316
Canon EF 50mm 1:1.8 II
Canon EF 20mm f/2.8 USM
All you need for good concerts.
If you're nikon, search for the same there.
They are relatively cheap and really great for that money.
f:1.8 - t:1/60 - ISO 800 was my average adjustment. But that was years ago, may you get betters results with high ISO now.
If I could do it again, I would do it analog now.
>>2800347
Yep, shooting shows on film is awesome. I load two bodies with 72 shots of Tri-X @ 1600, and use a 50/1.4 and switch the other between a 28/2.8 and 75-150/3.5.
Meter a couple of spots around the stage, and generally end up around f/2.8 (or 3.5) and 1/200th.
>>2800347
I don't disagree with the two lenses you suggested but I also go great use out of my 85mm f/1.8
>>2800154
Being a grizzled old industry veteran and phrasing stuff like you're a grizzled old industry veteran are two different things, ya phony baloney.
always ask for a portrait. always.
>>2800174
back button focus. usually all points but if an artist doesn't move a lot I'll find a point manually
>>2800316
the lens debate is weird because telephotos are very convenient but primes are sharper for the most part. I only have a 50 so I can't say shit lmao
>>2800327
music rules and yeah I agree it got me out there. I'd begin taking portraits of artists and I always love checking venues out for interesting shots. I used to live in a much more musical city and I ache for those big shows with better production. that's why I wanna tour and hit more festivals
>>2800347
>2.8-4.0 in low light, 6.3-8.0 in good lightning
>1/60-1/100 in low movement 1/160-1/320 in high
>ISO 800-1600 in good lighting (indoors) and 2000-3200 in low
I wanna start shooting shows with film. I usually bring a 35mm point and shoot and it's always fun.
>>2800398
I literally just said the word "remember" go fuck yourself. you want me to say "recall" next time?
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>>2800459
>I ache for those big shows with better production
Better stage lights man, that's all any of us ever want, fuck dive bar lighting
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>>2800461
I work at a venue and they always have a volunteer on the lights and I have to tell them what lights to use half the time or else I gotta make everything black and white
I dream to tour with a band where I know what lights go off at what moments and I can time everything right. sometimes when I'm gonna shoot a big show I'll look up youtube videos of the first three songs and make mental notes
good ol pyrotechnics
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>>2800459
>I literally just said the word "remember" go fuck yourself. you want me to say "recall" next time?
I want you to stop acting like you're some established veteran with a decade long career in every single thread you show up in. I've got rare pepes that have been around longer than you've been using back button focus.
>>2800467
at no point have I ever had the attitude that I'm a veteran or established lmaoooooooo you're too much stop embarrassing yourself
>>2800466
pirotecnis??
Dunno why i just have edited one out of a shit ton, may not be the best.
give a push on fb please and advices on how to promote the page and improve photos
Tales From The Frontline on fb
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>>2800542
Op here
Might as well share this
https://www.instagram.com/thehextron/
>>2798773
>business cards
With business cards is it now time to create my own website, facebook page and instagram?
I mean is it okay if I name it "First Name Last Name Photography"?
I don't want to look like those other photo geeks who have that first name last name photography, all photos suck and they look like autists who carry a huge 70-200 lens all the time.
>>2800723
You need a name that adequately expresses both your edginess and your disdain for 70-200 zoom lenses.
How about wideangleprimedickpics.com
>>2800723
Why not just
> Ricky Bobby
> Photographer
> Contact at:
> Phone/Facebook/etc
No need to make dedicated pages and such just for some business cards. Plus if you want to change the name of your dedicated page, you have to get new cards. I did that and now have 200-something more cards with all my old information on them.
>>2800467
Looks like somebody is jealous....
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>>2801203
Ya busted me. Totally jealous. That must be why I'm shittalking everyone in this thread and not the one guy.
>>2801223
Sorry Anon :/
>>2798773
honestly, nah. ask to see their phone and put your contact in with a note who you are. if not that, then do it in your own phone
>>2800723
website > social media > cards
get cards but don't rely on them because phone numbers are more important and direct
>>2801223
you might not be jealous but you're interpreting my words as elitist when I literally came into this thread to help people and have done nothing but that
when I shoot festivals I have to hang around that veteran archetype that carries around two D4S bodies and a dumb archive of photo passes to brag about
not saying I'm offended by you jumping to a conclusion that I'm acting like one of those people but those are my least favorite people in my industry. they're pieces of shit who shoot 1000 photos in 3 songs and don't even care about what they're shooting
you're free to think about me however you feel but I'm here to help someone/some people out about what I enjoy doing most in my life. I'm no veteran but I've been doing this """professionally" for barely a year and people tell me nonstop about how far I've come because they think it takes a lot of work to progress that quickly. I'm here to tell people that it takes QUALITY work and not QUANTITY work to get recognized in the music photo world
the music photo world NEEDS more people who care more about music than photography I love threads like this because most people are the ones sneaking their cameras into crowds and paying general admission prices. the music photo world thrives through those people because they aspiring to shoot for fucking getty images so they can outsource their """art""" to rolling stone
as I said I'm not a veteran and I never want to be a veteran because the ones I run into are who I aspire not to be more than anyone else. if you're getting paid decent money to shoot shows/festivals and you're not on tour or with a media company, you can probably lick my nuts. probably. some pubs are cool but cool usually doesn't pay.
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>>2801338
second last paragraph meant to say the music photo world thrives through the people who are NOT aspiring to shoot for getty
and on a side note, I struck a job with a media company that averages 9 million impressions a week. I'm going to be traveling and shooting festivals this summer. even that does not go to my head because I do all of this for me before anybody else at the end of the day. I take photos of shows because it's sick. my website/resume/amount of followers/clout/ means nothing to me except the fact that it enables me to continue shooting shows
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It's always nice to shoot local bands, usually do bfp deals with em.
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>>2801798
>bfp
bang for picture?
>>2801831
How else do you think we do it? Concert photography is knowing the right person to be banged by.
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>>2801831
beer for photos maybe
tried shooting a gig for the first time recently, loved it but found it kind of challenging. any advice on getting whole band shots when the lighting's pretty different on each member?
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>>2801899
huge thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread btw, this is great stuff. making notes and gonna go around the local diy gigs, see what i can do.
any feedback would be appreciated, if there's much else to say
>>2801899
you'll realize quickly that it's hard to get full band shots mainly because it's the lighting guy's job and not yours
I mean, granted that's a lot of music photography but wide shots are hit or miss for that reason
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>>2801899
If you figure out a way of doing this that doesn't make the picture look overcooked than please let us all know. This is the problem with most small gigs. Bassist and drummer are always left with shitty lights.
Try your best in post to delicately bring up the exposure on anyone that's not lit well but back off as soon as they start standing out with that "I'm clearly shooped" look.
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>>2801899
Concerts in shitty venues are about a challenging as challenging gets for gear. Even fast paced sports usually happen in good light. Waiting for the right light is a big part of it, if the light's changing. Or giving up on the group shot, or getting better equipment that will let you push up the shadow
I guess I'll dump a show I shot last night
this rapper superduperkyle came to the venue I work at and we thought like 30 people were gonna come because he has a young fan base (18+ venue) and barely anybody RSVP'd on facebook
but then like 250 people came out and it was sick
always ask for portraits/candids
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what a sick shoot anon holy shit
>>2801932
cheers, glad to hear it is just plain difficult, i was worried i was just shittier than i thought. i'll probably focus more on getting the individual members / two or three in similar light or interacting
>>2802400
Amazing photos as always carlo! A lot of emotion in the shots.
I've got one show on Tuesday I'll post here if the thread is still alive.
Aaaand there's a high possibility I will be shooting another show next week for a decently sized city-based publication :)
>>2797666
how do you get concerts to let you to shoot?
also saw common in your pics, seems like a cool guy
>>2802863
find a publication that likes your stuff and is willing to get you credentials. I emailed like 20 of them for the festival in that photo and for a different festival in general. the one that said "maybe" I was like "oh this festival too" and they were like "we'll let you know" which is usually a no but they hit me up a few weeks later and were like "yea we can use a second photographer"
and now I work at a venue/production company so most the shows I shoot are ran by us. festivals are from that first publication
and common was nice, got a book signed for my friend as a present
>>2801338
>the music photo worlds NEEDS more people that care about music more than photography
I love this
So much yes
It's what brought me in
I've been going to shows since I was 14 and I want to do everything I can do capture those incredible moments I get from live music. There's another guy I k ow that does this for fun and out of pocket for tickets and we only have our phones for now
Hopefully I'll start moving up soon
I love this thread and I'm glad I started it
We should make sure to keep threads a regular thing on /p/ because lord know this shit can be impressive as it is difficult
Shouts to carlo and GWB for filling the thread with awesome content
>>2804498
like I get that we all love photography and shit but if you're bringing a camera to a show you're probably more of a fan of music
it's so weird to me seeing the same photographers all day at a festival and the whole time they look bored. I get that everyone works differently but I almost never see photographers having fun in the pits. it's almost discouraging and makes me feel weird but I never actually let it get in the way
I've stopped using this board a LOT because I would make concert threads and get no replies but then I got a residency job and I just got bored of posting my photos anywhere besides instagram
I'll try to be more consistent. here's of montreal.
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>>2804844
Would you mind sharing your IG?
My feed could use more inspirational stuff
>>2804935
Oh wait I'm already following you lol
Here's a shot from a show last night. I didn't really get that many "great" photos from last nights show, but I did alright considering there were 9 photographers in a tiny pit...
Also I'm shooting another show tonight for my first magazine!
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also it's funny I'm telling people to use narrower f stops when I took this >>2804844 but oh god that was the darkest show of my life
here's a video still from my phone
>>2805066
Thanks for the tip! I'll use that tonight for Wolfmother!
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>>2805078
(also 1/400 isn't necessary sorry for EXIF peeking)
(I think the wolfmother guy jumps around though so maybe. 1/320 and 1/250 work)
>>2805085
>also 1/400 isn't necessary
but all of the photos he's posted so far have been cleaner and crisper than anything you've posted.
>>2805091
this is about movement and you can be negative all you want but 1/400 is LITERALLY not necessary unless an artist is doing cartwheels on stage or you're shooting in broad daylight
get out of my face
>>2805093
lol i'm not being negative. i'm just saying that maybe 1/400 IS necessary, judging by the photos in this thread.
plus what does he have to gain by going literally 1/3-2/3 of a stop slower and using 1/320 or 1/250? the difference in noise would be imperceptible, but you do run a higher risk of ruining the shot with slight motion blur.
>>2805095
he was shooting at f/2.0 and could've gone to 2.8 or 3.2 if he went to 1/320 or 1/250 which would've given a little more sharpness
you can shoot 1/400 but I would personally rather have a little bit of hand blur and more light because it's more natural
a lot of the time my photos come from when the musician is not playing because it gives me room to put my exposure at something like 1/60 to get a sharper/brighter photo
plus, it's a little way of differentiating from the "eating the mic" pose
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I've shot a few shows
>>2805118
this is important..
>>2805119
Don't have many printed sadly.
my insta is @spencss
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>>2805109
>he was shooting at f/2.0 and could've gone to 2.8 or 3.2 if he went to 1/320 or 1/250 which would've given a little more sharpness
That "little more sharpness" is moot if there's motion blur. He also couldn't gave gone to 2.8 or 3.2, it would have been 2.2 or 2.5.
>you can shoot 1/400 but I would personally rather have a little bit of hand blur and more light because it's more natural
i disagree, but that's just my opinion. to my eye, there's nothing that screams "amateur" quicker than that very fine motion blur that comes from either poor camera holding technique or a shutter speed that is just a hair too slow. i would also say that if you're going to go for the motion blur look, go full throttle and shoot at 1/60 or slower. but, hey, you're getting work. you do you. i would just be open to the idea that your technique could use a lot of work and improvement and you might not necessarily be in the position of dispensing technical advice yet.
>>2805125
we're all different. I throw in what I think because sometimes people wanna hear it. sometimes they don't and that's okay too. as long as you're taking photos you're fine. I'm just talking.
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>>2805162
>title fight
noice
>>2805162
Saw Title Fight a few times
Was too busy in the actual pit to take pictures
Love this shot
>>2805085
You should've seen this guy from X-Ambassadors on stage. He barely sat still during the three songs I could shoot from the pit.
He nearly kicked my second camera off the subwoofers I had it set on when they came on stage.
Wolfmother was AS energetic, but still energetic none the less. I got some great shots tonight, I will post sometime tomorrow. (I have gone through the photos on my PC as of this post) But I feel like I focused heavy on the lead singer. Barely got any shot of the bass/rhythm guitar player and none of the drummer except in the group stage shots. I'll see shortly.
>>2805091
We both have good shots.
Savior Adore (Opener for X-Ambassadors)
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I said fuck it, and stayed up to edit the photos so I can send them off quickly.
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Just bumping the thread...
Gotta love when they use a ton of smoke making your in focus shots look out of focus. The focus point is perfectly on the drummer, but doesn't really look like it.
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>>2805242
They just played at my usual spot
Guess they're on tour
>>2805194
>>2805198
I've seen title fight seven times. I've shot them three times and I've jumped in the crowd afterwards all three times.
>>2805212
frontmen like that are the best
and sadly frontmen are the most important people to take photos of, especially ones that only do vocals. every pose from a guitarist has ever been captured so vocalists give slightly more room to play around and get something fun
>>2805242
post some raws so I (and others) can fuck with them
>>2806359
(GWB Here)
I don't feel comfortable giving out my RAW files of my concert photography work, sorry. But there's a lot you can do with them to give so many looks to the image.
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So my buddy is offering to sell me his t2i for $250.
He's going to throw in everything the camera came with which includes the kit lens and he's throwing in a fisheye as well which might be good for band stuff
With the money I'm saving I'll be able to afford the 50mm but I'll get the 1.4 instead of the 1.8
Considering I want this for music reasons, is buying my friends camera a good idea?
>>2806855
Kit lens are a waste of money, they aren't good what so ever. I had to learn this the hard way because when I purchased my 50D I also purchased the Canon EF 28-135 thinking "hur dur I'll have all the focal lengths covered" I was right about that, but the lens was SOOOOO soft.
Like I said I HIGHLY recommend the Canon 7D to start off with, then invest into a full-frame camera. The T2i's low-light performance is very subpar, which is something that is VERY important to concert photography.
In conclusion, don't buy your friend's camera, buy a Canon EOS 7D with a 28mm, then get a 50mm f/1.4 later on.
Don't buy the Canon f/1.8 if you have the intention of sticking with photography because you'll eventually the f/1.4 down the line/
Just my opinion... also Wolfmother.
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>>2806928
It looks like the 7d might be beyond my price range
>>2806940
A used 7D goes for $500 on eBay. The Canon 50D which used to be my work horse, goes for $300 used.
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>>2806953
Yeah Im looking at the 50d
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/10221317852595362864?sclient=psy-ab&biw=1745&bih=890&q=Canon+EOS+50D&oq=Canon+EOS+50D&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.118443451,d.amc&tch=1&ech=1&psi=mWcAV_TvH4rmjgTlzZz4Aw.1459644361699.5&prds=hsec:online&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjh37LFoPHLAhVisYMKHf2gC4IQviQIjgE
Seems possible
Also
Did they play Woman/Vagabond?
>>2806957
Woman was the third song they played, I actually got some video of it too.
Their whole set was fucking amazing, only stayed for 11 or so songs. They covered The Beatles and The Doors.
I believe this shot is from when they were playing Woman. I'm very pleased with all the shot I got from that night, and I'm proud to have them posted for an online music publication.
The 50D is amazing, but after purchasing I regretted immensely not spending the extra $200 for the 7D because native video, and noticeably better low-light performance. But the 50D is waaaaaaay better than the T2i. Just saying...
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>>2806960
Thats so awesome man. Glad to hear you enjoyed yourself
Post that video if you can
Ah so the 50D wouldn't be able to shoot video right off the bat
Ok
I actually found the 7D for 500 now so I'll definitely keep that in mind. I still have a couple weeks to make a decision
Ill let you know what I go with if I don't post it on insta (but in all honestly I probably will lol)
Somebody REALLY needs to archive this post with all it's images so in the future when somebody asks for concert photography related question, they could link them to everything posted in this thread.
Your thread Hex has turned into a very informative post.
Also this is addressed to carlo, kinda random, but I started using back-button focus when you switched to it. I was lurking a long time ago and saw that you were just starting to use it, so I decided to switch too because it made so much sense to auto-focus that way. I mainly use manual focus though because I'm more confident in my focusing abilities than the mediocre (as of now) auto-focus system of the 5D Mk II & 50D (basically the same thing). I use the Eg-S focusing screen in both cameras, and it's a godsend. Everything I see is in focus is ACTUALLY in focus, unlike manual focusing using the Eg-A (default focusing screen).
Fuck the 7D. Could NEVER get in-focus shots with it. Sold it to the friend and then he sold it because same problem. Then bought a 7DII and now if the subject is somewhat in the distance, said subject is out of focus. Even with a tripod and manually focusing. Fuck the 7D line. Would've jumped ship to Nikon but their 135 f2 can't hold a candle to Canon's...
>>2805066
As long as you're not cropping significantly, even 6400 is fine on the 5DmkII. Don't be a little bitch who's afraid of some noise. I use 12800 ISO on my 5DmkIII all the time with no fucks given.
>>2807042
I'm very happy this thread has been filled with awesome content
Not only with the awesome shots and the people that posted their awesome and relevant shit but because people talked about their journeys in this fun yet difficult field.
I started it because I wanted some general advice with getting my foot in the door and I got great advice in that and much more.
Plus its so rad to see we are almost all in it mainly because of music
Keep shooting out there my fellow rock n roll soldiers!
You guys rule
>>2807098
The issue is you bro. Use manual focus with a proper focusing screen (Canon Eg-S Precision Focusing Screen) I've used the 7D plenty of times, and never had a focusing issue that wasn't my fault.
This is literally the last shot I took of Wolfmother as I was walking out the door. Very small, intimate venue...just how I like them :)
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D750 guy here. Was shooting with a 50mm 1.8G and a 15-30mm Tamron 2.8 recently at some venues. I found myself having to set the iso sky high. The photos came out alright but the grain is really in your face if you crop the image at all. I had to do this to get decent exposures above 1/30 or 1/60.
Should I just go with it? I've read others ITT that say just let the iso run wild. Would it be any better to underexpose slightly at a lower iso then bring it up in post? Any other thoughts?
some of my stuff from sxsw
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shot demetri martin. comedy shows are nice. usually shitty because they give you like 5 minutes but I work with the people who put it on so I got all access full set.
>>2807042
ah idk I like fresh concert threads. I could write some shit to post automatically in any thread but I like talking
and back button is great. I can't really do manual on my 5D and plus the shows I'm shooting are pretty dark so I just let auto work it. although, when I rented the GH4 for that festival it was the shit because of focus peaking. that shit is AMAZING. doesn't work for moving subjects though. nobody is that quick.
>>2807100
6400 is doable sometimes but the venue I shoot at uses a lot of contrasty red/blue/purple and it's almost impossible to get something good out of it. I want a M3 but I also want to go mirrorless. kinda.
>>2807181
love
>>2807442
best part about shooting concerts is that you usually work your way from small rooms to bigger ones. so like, you're faced with the hardest lighting at the beginning.
>>2807808
>>2807809
>>2807811
>>2807813
all of these are soooooooooo good but 2 and 4 are my favorites. would love to see more. how's that a7? if I make the switch it'll but the a7ii.
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aaaaaaaaaalways ask for a portrait i keep saying but it works a lot and it makes you look good, especially in the portfolio
this was easier because we took a group shot and then I was like yo can I get a quick portrait and he was down
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opener
I accidentally walked into silent hill zone in the building and got lost and locked out so I had to run around the whole venue and it was miserable and hilarious. all access in a big place is really funny
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and finally a bonus pic of demetri noticing me and posing except I shot at 1/50 most of the time because he stood still and I had no way of knowing. it was funny tho. I was the only photographer and he called me out again later and said my slideshow was gonna be really boring because he's boring
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another bonus why not
it's always really funny at shows when stage tech comes on and everyone claps because they're so anxious to see the act and it was so funny when people saw me behind the curtain and started to clap and as soon as I signaled them to stop the entire auditorium started clapping and cheering and it felt strangely therapeutic
now that I think about it I should've asked beforehand if I could get a shot of him with the crowd but ah well
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>>2807841
p good man.
jealous as hell. i love demitri martin
>>2807849
possibly the least intimidating well known person I've ever met? we're getting james franco in 10 days and I'm slightly more nervous. gonna be a much bigger venue and he's at least 15x more famous
I just started. Honestly I just hit up a local blog with my Flickr, and they have been hooking me up with passes to local shows. It's not paid, but I'm building a portfolio.
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>>2809072
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>>2809079
fog is fun to play with, but it occasionally ruins shots
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>>2809072
He looks like Dinos Punchlinovic, a French rapper
>>2809088
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>>2809093
Nah he's Will+The Life. P dope, gives MJ vibes.
>>2809095
Ok thank, but he looks like I didn't said it was him :'(
>>2809098
true yeah, my b lol
Finally figured out my budget for camera shopping
It's about 800
I thinking the 7d like GWB suggested and maybe the 50mm 1.4
>>2809203
>5DM2
Oh shit Carlo don't tempt me because I can be financially irresponsible sometimes
>>2809203
However, it has gotten me a lot of contacts in the local scene. Saturday I'm doing a paid shoot for a local clothing brand.
>>2809206
>>2809203
Check out that Rokinon (Samyang) glass too. Their 135mm f/2 is sharper than Canon's legendary 135mm f/2.
Plus Rokinon has a great 50mm f/1.4, and amazing 85mm f/1.4 which I'm looking at purchasing next.
But it's all manual focus and manual aperture ring, which I don't mind because I manually focus 98% of the time. And the build quality of Rokinon's lenses are on-par with Canon's L lens, minus the weatherproofing.
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>>2809395
How does that glass compare against Nikons 135mm?
>>2797666
Hnnng Troy and Brent
>>2797598
I really love event photography. The scene is quite little from where I am so it's quite simple to get along with bands and shoot for them. Then go for bigger festivals. It's even better if you photograph and play in a band.
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>>2798032
>I would love an a7s but idk if it'll cut it.
they do great in low light man, you should go for it.
took this on my a7s the other day.
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>>2809711
But um that looks terrible....
>>2809712
um, no. it looks great u dumb bitch
>>2809716
It looks like a fucking bowl of sprinkles. Did you actively sharpen the noise?
>>2809722
yes fukker i did actually
>>2809711
I can't remember the last time I saw the gates down in front of the stage like that at the observatory
Whens the next time you're going?
I kinda want to see Fat White Family next week
>>2809860
not sure when i'll be there again. maybe for the kills, or anco in september.
i am gonna see death grips in a couple weeks at fox pomona though.
>>2809988
Do you take your camera to shows often?
You got an insta?
>>2810012
when i can yes. the fjm show was kind of a one time only thing cause a friend of mine got me backstage. i would definitely love to do more concert stuff tho.
@true.vulture
>>2810016
You have the same name as the guy who plays guitar in the band im in
lol
>>2810027
lol kool
>>2807800
bumping for this ISO related question. Thanks!
I'm shooting SUNN O))) tomorrow. was super surprised they actually let press in? oh well, free tickets. best part is I bought tickets already so I just get that money back from selling
>>2809206
how often do you buy a body? not very often. save a little more. it'll be worth it. it'll get even cheaper after the 5DM4 drops
>>2809218
exactly. connections are connections. maybe when I tour a lot there will be people in bands who want me to shoot their weddings
>>2809395
been thinking about rokinon lately
>>2809711
post the raw of this I wanna play with it. I used a GH4 and it was nice but the autofocus wasn't great and I heard most mirrorless are that way
>>2807800
>>2810104
I usually do 2500-3200 and edit to the point where it's not super glossy but not super grainy. finding a middle ground is good.
>>2810113
Ill consider it but we will see soon
My current paychecks have been pretty shit too and it's festival season right now too
But I guess I will be going with the 50mm.
I'm going to start with small warehouse/bar shows to build a portfolio but this place
.>>2809711
Is actually my most visited venue and if and when I do start to get passes, it'll be there. I hope.
Think I'll be fine at this distance?
Theres almost always a press pit where all those people are in the front
>>2810104
Underexposing at a lower ISO and then making the photo brighter in post will at best look exactly the same as shooting at the proper ISO to begin with, but more likely it will look worse instead. Also don't crop if you can avoid it.
Concerts are dark and concert photos are grainy and that's just how it is and how it's always been, it's fine. Photos can have grain and still be good. At least you have the luxury of doing it now when digital cameras with incredible high ISO performance exist, people used to do this shit back when ISO 400 film was "fast".
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>>2810130
>Underexposing at a lower ISO and then making the photo brighter in post will at best look exactly the same as shooting at the proper ISO to begin with, but more likely it will look worse instead.
That totally depends.
>>2810122
oh the 5D is great you would be happy with it but time will tell. sell some shit you don't need to afford it.
>>2810113
Do it, you wont be disappointed. I've got their 14mm f/2.8 (with electronic aperture control, and af confirm) and it's sharp across the image at f/2.8 which is very impressive for that focal length.
>>2809416
No idea. Watch the very in-depth reviews by Christopher Frost Photography on YouTube. He only compares them to Canon lens because he shoots Canon.
Shooting Andre Nickatina for the publication this Friday. I will post the photos later in the week.
This isn't me but how do you think he's getting this sort of effect?
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Aspiring tour / band photographer here.
I'm planning to go to a bar this weekend with a friend who used to be in the band.
He knows some of the bands and he thinks that I could take photos of the different bands while they are performing. The only catch is that I have to pay for the bar entrance and it is kind of far of from where I live.
Is this worth it /p/? These are like no name bands but can I get publicity through them? I haven't made any business cards yet though.
>>2811468
I get a lot of this light painting in shows, parties and etc..
you'll need a colorful source of light from the ambient; a flash (don't get the flash direct to your subject); very LOW iso, some 5,6 aperture and slow shutter speed. while your camera is taking the picture, your flash will froze the subject, and you can shake your hands, turn your camera downsides, zoom in or out, anything you want to mess with the color lights. this give you the color blend.
about the color of this image, its post. split toning to be more precise
>>2813746
you probably won't gain anything from shooting this except the enjoyment of taking photos and seeing bands you may or not like
if that's not enough then it isn't worth it because you know, you gotta pay your dues if you aspire to tour or shoot bigger shows
there's gonna be a lot of bar/no pay/unknown bands in the process. I remember getting stoked for free entry, then $20 a show, now a minimum wage job. it's baffling to think I can make decent money eventually
>>2811468
we already answered you in the other thread dog
>>2813752
Yes I know my question was answered lol.
Posted it a while ago
>>2813752
>if that's not enough then it isn't worth it because you know, you gotta pay your dues if you aspire to tour or shoot bigger shows
Well I will enjoy shooting. The problem is that I am a poorfag so paying for entry isn't that economical.
>there's gonna be a lot of bar/no pay/unknown bands in the process. I remember getting stoked for free entry, then $20 a show, now a minimum wage job. it's baffling to think I can make decent money eventually
I'm looking for bars without any entrance though which is preferable. On the other hand since I'm going with a colleague at work who knows some of the bands playing, I might get a chance to take photos without them asking what it is for.
I mean I believe bands don't want their photos just being taken just for the sake of it or by aspiring photographers or am I wrong?
>>2813804
there's a guest list at every show, kind of weird they're gonna make you pay like that. define poor though because if these are unknown bands I couldn't see the ticket price being much really but to each their own
find who books shows at the bar and personally message them and say "I will give you these photos if you put me on the list" or even to the artist/publicist themselves
artists like pictures of themselves playing 99% of the time. it's an essential piece of a band. find me a artist with no photos of themselves, whether it be portraits or live shots. it's hard to come by. even if the photos are shit, they're still photos they didn't pay for (probably)
>>2813897
>find who books shows at the bar and personally message them and say "I will give you these photos if you put me on the list" or even to the artist/publicist themselves
For a start I still have no photos of bands or portfolio to speak of. Does that mean they might want to see samples of my photos first?
>artists like pictures of themselves playing 99% of the time. it's an essential piece of a band. find me a artist with no photos of themselves, whether it be portraits or live shots. it's hard to come by. even if the photos are shit, they're still photos they didn't pay for (probably)
You are right but I have almost zero contacts of bands. I am not active in any scene. Even though I look young for my age especially since I'm short, I'm already 28. Am I too late to start?
Thanks man you are a real help.
>>2813958
samples are not REQUIRED but don't expect to reach out for a reputable band and get a response if you don't have any photos of bands. that's why going to this show is good if you're trying to get into the concert game. content is important and it doesn't come out of nowhere
there's no such thing as too late for anything ever. james murphy was 35 when the first lcd soundsystem album came out. you either start "late" or you don't start at all.
>>2813958
It really helps if you're there because the music brought you there.
At least that's the way I see it
I spend so much on tickets on a monthly basis and I don't mind because I just love music so much
So doing a hobby I love (photography) and mixing it with what I love more (music) is just a double whammy
Worry about shooting what you can and having fun now
Think about press passes later
But either way
Great White Buffalo stated in this thread that he didn't have much music stuff in his portfolio before he got his first gig
Anyways
I finally have all the money I'm gonna spend on the camera
It's now time to actually get it
I'm nervous and excited
Wish me luck bros
>>2814021
>that's why going to this show is good if you're trying to get into the concert game. content is important and it doesn't come out of nowhere
I enjoy concerts but I haven't heard any of the bands. Should I still go then? Me spending money for the tickets makes me don't want to, but I'm really looking forward for shooting concerts and bands playing. Also, I would love to shoot band photos and even a music video.
>there's no such thing as too late for anything ever. james murphy was 35 when the first lcd soundsystem album came out. you either start "late" or you don't start at all.
But I believe he was already playing a musical instrument at a young age. I only picked up my first DSLR last year though I have had a digital camera since I was 18 and was shooting film with a P&S since I was 10.
>>2814389
>I spend so much on tickets on a monthly basis and I don't mind because I just love music so much
Well man what troubles me is that I'm just earning a bit over minimum wage and I'm already 28. I just can't go and spend money on my hobby. Even though photography brings me joy and relieves my depression and the pain that life has brought me, I felt the need to follow society's rules of saving money for a better car, a house for my future family and my wedding even though I don't even have a gf yet.
>I finally have all the money I'm gonna spend on the camera
What camera is it? I wish you all the best man.
>>2814389
you got this
>>2814582
there's no way you can be spending more than $10 for a bill of unknown bands. is money THAT tight? concert photography has almost no payoff for a long time. you have to start somewhere man you can't really just expect to get into shows without paying or having a portfolio to show bands
you can find excuses for not shooting due to your age all you want but none of that will save you from not actually taking photos. you either take the photos or you don't and that's the end of it.
>>2814582
I just got EXTREMELY lucky in this business and the first band I ever contacted, The Chainsmokers, said yes to me, and their song 'Roses' is constantly being played on the radio. The only concert related stuff on my website was some mediocre shots of My Morning Jacket that I snuck my dSLR into at Red Rocks in Colorado. The second band I contacted, Modest Mouse, even said yes to me and they're what I would consider a very big band.
>there's no way you can be spending more than $10 for a bill of unknown bands. is money THAT tight?
What carlo said, if you can't afford a small ticket to a bar venue, which are never more than $20, you shouldn't peruse concert photography. Fortunately for me, every show I've shot I've been put on the guest list.
>What camera is it? I wish you all the best man.
Hex is getting a Canon 7D because he's becoming very serious about this, but it's not the camera that captures good shots, it's the photographer. I could easily get the similar shots I do with my Canon 5D Mk II with a cheap point and shoot, but minus the great image quality of course. That doesn't matter though because you're trying to capture the emotion of the show, not a super archival, technically perfect shot that would try to get with for example a portrait shot, etc.
Here's a shot from this last Friday of Andre Nickatina. I got like 20+ shots published on a music publication. I'm shooting The 1975 for the same music publication in less than two weeks.
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Here's one more...
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>>2814582
>you can find excuses for not shooting due to your age all you want but none of that will save you from not actually taking photos. you either take the photos or you don't and that's the end of it.
Again carlo has another valid point. If anything I should be more discouraged because of my age instead of you. I'm only 19 years old, and I've officially shot eight shows since last December when I started all this. I've would easily have soooo many more shows if I was over 21.
And age has absolutely nothing in this community. I regularly see this one photog who is easily in his 60s shooting all sorts of shows, and I've seen him in the pit once or twice while I was shooting.
If you want to do it, do it. Don't be like, "Oh I don't have professional gear", etc. If you have a passion for live music pursue it, but if you don't, don't try to to half-ass it just to get free shows.
Pic: MURS opening for Andre Nickatina
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>>2814850
Bruh if you can somehow get the ok to shoot Courtney Barnett on 4/20 next week I'm gonna be so jealous
She's pretty rad
Crystal Ballroom
She's on tour now and is going to be playing near me tomorrow
>>2814871
I sent the music publication I'm shooting for a list of bands I'm interested in and Courtney Barnett was actually one of the musicians I wanted to shoot lol. I actually contacted their PR manager awhile back before I got on a publication, and they said they would let me shoot the show if I was on a publication.
But I don't think I'll be able to because they have a writer from the same publication going to the show, so I doubt they would want to take up two spots on the guest list for the same publication.
>>2814880
actually they're usually fine with two spots
I ask for a +1 almost every single time and I've only been denied it once or twice. usually they suspect the photo pass goes to the photographer and the +1 goes to the person writing
>>2815235
Yeah I contacted my publication, and they said go ahead and email them back saying I'm one of them now. I'm also shooting a band I was suppose to shoot back in December, but it turned out it was a 21+ venue, and they're coming through a music shop playing for free this Sunday. The California Honeydrops.
So I might have one show a week for the next three weeks if everyone's PR says yes. Hopefully more.
I wish I shot more shows that were during my weekends, then I would try for a +1 for friend or a date. Because most of the shows I've shot I had to work the next day. And having 5am shifts after shooting a concert, which I drive an hour to one way, is exhausting. So I try to dip out as soon as possible. Unless it's a band I REALLY like, then I will gladly suffer at work the next day.
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>>2814709
>there's no way you can be spending more than $10 for a bill of unknown bands. is money THAT tight? concert photography has almost no payoff for a long time. you have to start somewhere man you can't really just expect to get into shows without paying or having a portfolio to show bands
Ok I'll ask if I can still get a ticket for the show. Other than that should I prepare for some business cards? I actually have none and I don't even have a website nor a Facebook page of my "Photography". I'm planning just to focus on having fun and building my portfolio.
>>2814850
>What carlo said, if you can't afford a small ticket to a bar venue, which are never more than $20, you shouldn't peruse concert photography. Fortunately for me, every show I've shot I've been put on the guest list.
Well I can actually afford it I'm just being dutch with my photography because I have already spent a substantial amount on my first DSLR plus my lenses. I'm just looking for an alternative that I might find some bands playing that I can shoot for free.
>>2815281
yeah like I literally ask for a +1 almost every time and get it. I hit up a friend in advance and they usually flip out
also a good date situation. definitely. took a girl to the weeknd and things ended well. sort of. she doesn't like me anymore. oh well.
but yeah there really aren't too many 21+ shows in FL, sometimes in miami but that's far from me. plus I turned 21 last year so it's literally no big deal. I took a lot of time off work when shooting my initial shows before I moved and that wasn't good because I lost income form not working and shooting for free. but now I get paid minimum wage shooting shows so it's alright I guess
>>2815287
business cards are an accessory. trade email and phone numbers instead.
as I said, if you're trying to get into concert photography, expect no money and little money at most. it's a hobby for a very fucking long time so have fun with it.
>>2815423
>as I said, if you're trying to get into concert photography, expect no money and little money at most. it's a hobby for a very fucking long time so have fun with it.
So you just shoot for free then even after you have already shot a lot of concerts already?
>>2814864
>Again carlo has another valid point. If anything I should be more discouraged because of my age instead of you. I'm only 19 years old, and I've officially shot eight shows since last December when I started all this. I've would easily have soooo many more shows if I was over 21.
Man being 19 is great. It would be awesome if I am still 19. I have more time to shoot and by the time I reach my age now, I would have already made it as a pro photographer.
>>2815990
there aren't many ways of making money in concert photography frankly because most people are willing to work for free. it's that you can work for free long enough and know your worth where you can get paid.
residency jobs, actual jobs for newspapers/magazines, touring, working for labels, etc.
if you're hitting up publicists for photo access, it's full advantage and no disadvantage on their end. you're working for free
it's just that you can hopefully shoot long enough to gain a reputation or a network and snag a job somewhere.
A couple of shots from a free show at a record store.
The California Honeydrops
1/3
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2/3
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3/3
This was my most challenging concert so far because of how tight the space was, but I tried my best.
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>>2797606
Right? Like why have I never considered this.
I'm naturally an anxious person which often leads to me not even wanting to go out to photograph but when I'm listening to music and focused on something I can give a fuck about the world around me. GG op.
>>2818129
I'm temporarily taking public transportation so I've been walking around more lately.
I always have music when I'm commuting so taking my camera with me on these little walks is very very relaxing.
The pictures aren't really that great but it's just nice to go out with good weather and tunes and just snap around
>>2818128
Sorry, one more.
4/3
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>>2818128
good perspective
I shot three shows over this past week but haven't edited anything because I'm going through an absolute slump in every other aspect of my life right now. this is my first time opening my computer. I haven't eaten in two days.
will deliver in the other thread soon
>>2818414
Hope you're doin all right man
>>2797598
Photography is 100% visual for me. I make zero correlation between the two. I even write my own music, literally nothing alike
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What metering mode do you guys usually use when shooting terribly lit shows?
>>2816388
>>2814389
>>2814850
Hey guys it's me again. I'm this guy >>2813746 who asked about a week ago whether I should go to the gig or not.
I actually did and it was a great experience. I've had fun as well especially since the bands I shot were really appreciative of my effort. I did pay for the entrance but it was okay since it was a benefit concert for I believe a cancer patient and another someone else.
Here are some photos. If you don't mind guys I would like to have some critique.
Yeah thanks a lot guys for inspiring me to go to the concert. One band already invited me to their next gig but unfortunately I will be out of town during that date.
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>>2815423
>yeah like I literally ask for a +1 almost every time and get it. I hit up a friend in advance and they usually flip out
Man that's a good idea.
>also a good date situation. definitely. took a girl to the weeknd and things ended well. sort of. she doesn't like me anymore. oh well.
That's too bad but I know that feel bro...
Anyhow I'm already a namefag so you can identify me easily. Here's another pic>>2819665
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>>2819669
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>>2819670
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>>2819672
I uploaded the rest on my flickr page. https://www.flickr.com/franco-g
For the record I did attach a speedlite on my camera and I used it on this photo >>2819665. However, the lights on the bar more than make up for the lighting. But it is still not enough to make me use of a faster shutter speed.
Much appreciated guys!
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Youngsta a few months back. Second time shooting a show.
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>>2819737
This bitch was annoying as fuck, but made for good moments.
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>>2818449
thanks dog I'm fine, editing all my photos now lmao
>>2818929
usually evaluative with back button but if the musician doesn't move much (guitarist vocalists) I'll manually select my points
>>2819566
both
>>2819665
you see I can be really critical and tell you everything wrong you did here but you should just keep shooting. you'll find more shows eventually and you'll have fun with it. >>2819708 I like this one the most
>>2819669
it's weird because smaller shows feel weirder asking for a +1 because you feel like you're taking away from the bands but like
bigger bands don't matter at all
>>2819737
this one is sick
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>>2819739
I really like this. Captures the other half of the equation of live music. Nice shot m8
Been to a couple shows lately but I wasn't able to take pictures because I was pitting (lol)
Would you guys mind little snaps of my band members taken in our private practice space from the cam I JUST got
>>2813958
Post on local "musician classifieds" groups on FB
>>2819826
>you see I can be really critical and tell you everything wrong you did here but you should just keep shooting. you'll find more shows eventually and you'll have fun with it. >>2819708 (You) I like this one the most
Thanks man. Anyhow, do you recommend bringing a speedlite when shooting live performances? Especially since my lens maximum aperture is only 3.5? I do have a 50mm f1.4 but it is manual focus only.
>>2820238
no reason not to post them
>>2820451
I want to recommend a speedlite but I also don't. you can get some good stuff and it makes the job much easier but you need to avoid it like the plague if you're trying to do this more often
it makes the job too easy, most musicians don't like flash, it makes shots look too similar etc
if I'm gonna recommend anything pertaining to a speedlite I'm gonna mention how you should mount them off camera but that's a little complicated if you're just starting out.
>>2820451
Bring the light, but ask the band if it's going to bother them before you start blinding people, and the lead man breaks his neck tripping over the bass cord into the kicker.
Bring the manual lense too. 85-90% of my shots are manual focus. I trust my eyes more than computers with the crazy lighting in some venues.
This is a shot of Frightened Rabbit that I shot last night.
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They were so grateful that their show got sold-out, the front man had a huge grin on his face in between each song.
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>>2820681
>if I'm gonna recommend anything pertaining to a speedlite I'm gonna mention how you should mount them off camera but that's a little complicated if you're just starting out.
I would love to do that. I am on my way to buying a sync cord to have a flash that is not mounted on top of the camera.
>Bring the manual lense too. 85-90% of my shots are manual focus. I trust my eyes more than computers with the crazy lighting in some venues.
That's a good idea but how can I focus manually if my other hand is holding the flash that is not attached with the camera?
>>2822232
I didn't say the second part
what I meant specifically was mounting the flash off camera, not just using it with a sync cable
I see people shooting with a sync cable and it confuses me. I don't like it. I don't like it myself.
this girl I follow shoots only punk shit and uses mounted flashes and her results are perfect
