85mm 1.2 II
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In your opinions; is purchasing this lens today sensible... Or should I be waiting for the mkIII?
Apparently the new and improved version is due Sept 2016.
It's an expensive regret if I judge incorrectly.
>>2780368
But a lens now, take photos today. But a lens in 6 or 7 months, wait that long to take photos.
I would just get the existing gear. If the upcoming version is massively improved you can just sell the mk ii; you won't take a huge hit on the lens as long as you take care of it during use.
$1500 for not much more performance. just get the 1.8
>>2780368
wait
the price will go down when the new one comes out
>>2780368
you don't need a 1.2 lens.
just get the 1.8.
Just get the 1.8.
The 1.2L is horrible slow and overpriced. There's no need to be a bokeh whore.
Yes I agree just get the 1.8. I use it all the time. You won't regret it. But if you want the 1.2 for gear envy then you might as well just get it.
I have the EF 85mm f/1.2L USM II and I can recommend it strongly. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't justify the cost then settle for less: the f/1.8 non-L equivalent. Some people will say that if you have to ask others if you should buy it, then you don't need it. I disagree.
There's no word of a successor to this lens. The AF operates a little differently compared to other EF lenses. If you want to shoot handheld in near darkness, f/1.2 runs rings around the f/1.8 lens.
There's no word on an update for the 85mmL. It may or may not come around. But if it does, there won't be any IS and the price will be much, much higher. The Bokeh on the f/1.2L is also much bolder and more impressive... which is probably the main reason people buy this lens.
Sure, it's a portrait lens. But I've shot some amazing landscapes with it and it's almost an essential tool for the serious Wedding Photographer. It's also rated as one of the highest rate astronomical lenses as well. And if it's anything like the 50mm f/1.2L, it will perform superbly.
Just remember that the depth of field from this lens is extraordinarily narrow. Sometimes it's as close a just a few millimeters. But the results from this lens are just so magical (even compared to the cheaper built and cheaper priced f/1.8) that many photographers go out of their way to obtain it. I've made mine the full-time lens on my 6D. If you charge money for your services, that little Red Ring denoting a "Luxury Lens" is going to go a long way to making you look more professional (or at least justify your asking price) when charging clients.
ProTip: If you are using an APS-C camera instead of Full Frame, the 50mmL would be a better choice for you. Buy a high-light-transmission filter to protect the outer element which actually moves in and out as the focus is engaged.
This is hands-down the best lens I own and I have 12 L-series lens in my collection for my work.
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get the 1.8, its fantastic
>>2780368
>2016
>not buying cheaper, optically superior FD 85L
>not shooting it on cheaper, optically superior Sony A7R2
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>>2780743
"What is autofocus?" for $500 please Alex
>>2780749
>"What is autofocus?" for $500 please Alex
Ahahahaha! Brilliant observation!
>>2780749
>trusting autofocus at f1.2
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>>2780753
>>trusting autofocus at f1.2
It's surprisingly accurate with an extremely high hit rate compared to what I expected. In fact, I think the 50mm f/1.2L is actually less reliable for focus lock accuracy.
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It takes a decent landscape as well. I had only a UV filter on for this shot to save my lens from salt in the air - which was taken in JPEG.
The only time it gets tricky is when shooting in extremely bright sunlight but when you still want that shallow DOF.... in which case a Circular Polarizing filter or an ND filter (not used here) is quite useful.
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>>2780766
...but that shot is not focused properly.
>>2780753
>Trusting manual focus at f/1.2 on a DSLR
>>2780812
How so? The guy's face looks very well focused to me.
>>2780368
Yea, why not?
> Apparently the new and improved version is due Sept 2016.
What, you're going to wait half a year?
Buy the new glass then if you need it, use this one now.
> It's an expensive regret if I judge incorrectly.
Beh, maybe already the Sony G master 85mm will give you some regrets with regards to "not having the best"?
Shooting with whatever much worse lens you have right now for half a year should give you more regrets, though.
>Bokehfags
>>2781143
There is a lot more to that lens than Bokeh. But most of /p/ has never touched it in real life, so yeah, most likely just bokeh fags.
>>2781143
pretty much.
>>2780368
Yeah, if you need a portrait lens, You ought to go for it. The price will probably come down some once the new one comes out, but there's always going to be something new coming out.
>>2780812
>..but that shot is not focused properly.
Let's take a closer look ...
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>>2781143
>>2781149
>>2781144
Yeah, good bokeh is pretty awful, I don't know why anyone would want the option to use it in their photos.
Must just be faggots.
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>>2782213
Know what's better than "good bokeh"? Not having an enormous white shape behind your subject distracting the eye. You WANT bokeh because you're new to it, and you NEED bokeh because you can't be bothered to respect your photos enough to spend any energy or time finding a pleasing environment.
What is "nice dreamy blurry environment" expressing about this guy? Why was it chosen for this photo other than "I love thin DOF"?
>>2781694
>$2000 lens
>$1300 camera
>nails focus
>still manages to include glaring white lights in the frame
>>2782283
really? Those goal posts are moving by so fast they're blowing papers off my desk!
>>2782292
I'm a different guy, homeslice.
Pay attention to your backgrounds. Just because you can blow out the bokeh doesn't mean that it's immune to all problems. Sometimes, it can actually exacerbate them.
But I'm sure you're immune to all criticism since you've finally made it as an intermediate level cosplay photographer.
>>2782293
I'm also a different guy, home slice.
>>2781694
The white lights bother me too, but other than that I think this is a good example of exactly what the 1.2 is good for. You can't always choose clean backgrounds.
That said, I'm not entirely convinced that 1.2 is really worth the difference vs. 1.4. Rumor has it that a Sigma Art 85 1.4 is on the way, and it might be worth waiting to see if it materializes. If you're confident in your MF ability, you could also try a Rokinon, it's dirt cheap and the optics are excellent.
>>2782305
This is me.
>>2782306
can confirm
>>2782303
We know, guy.
>>2782311
I don't think you speak for us, padre.
>>2781694
It's a bad example of your lens since you hit on noise reduction and sharpening. When we look at his hair, you are clearly backfocusing, I don't know whether this is adjustment or a single mistake. The af field arrangement is not the best with the 6D.
I know none of the lenses personally, what I know is the 50 1.8 to be sharper than the 50L so I guess sharpness is not the strength of such lenses, it's bokeh on cost of contrast and chromatic abberation. The dof is often far too little on f/1.2 at 85mm as in your shot. The womans face would be sharp with f/2, I do not see why anyone would shoot two or more people with such a large aperture on hat distance.
I'm not arguing that the lens is bad or even completely unusable I just say it's misused here or at least used without thinking about it. The 85L capability is about dream shots, bright background, creamy and soft bokeh with a tack sharp model in the center. One shoots f/1.2 rather from distance
All in all I believe you to be a gear fag who would be better advised with the f/1.8 version.
>>2782213
Your dof is utter kek, not even the whole face is sharp. What of it! Ears and the neck are pounded large by blur
>>2782541
this
>also actually shooting 1.2 lens on 1.2
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Despite the whining about "what's the point of bokeh", it really does serve a strong aesthetic purpose when you have a busy background and you want to just focus on the subject. I find it practical. I can't shoot Macro with it but aside from portraits, it takes great landscapes.
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... but seriously, just how much more Bokeh does anyone need?
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>>2782579
>but seriously, just how much more Bokeh does anyone need?
For this shot, less to have at least the hand sharp and get a better silhouette of the woman.
Seriously, the photograph is garbage! You'll never see such in some professional environment. The blur hurts in such an amount!
>>2782578
Here dof is more a matter of opinion. However, the leaf in the center has blurred edges, my goal would still be to separate foreground from background, I'd avoid all leaves in the foreground to run into blur.
>>2782578
>Despite the whining about "what's the point of bokeh", it really does serve a strong aesthetic purpose when you have a busy background and you want to just focus on the subject.
You are right to some aspects, it can be aesthetic, you're not right if bokeh is your subject or if bokeh blurs your subject.
Bokeh is never a tool for bad background, poor background does never belong into the photo! In the best case a matching background includes to either support your subject or catch a certain effect.
For me it would be a must to crop this image from below.
>>2782579
Are you out of your gourd?!
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Bokeh is overrated. I'd almost rather bump up the ISO on my 5DmkIII, even well past 6400 if need be, than to shoot wide-open on my 2.8 zooms or prime lenses.
I come here for chuckles and /p/ never disappoints. It utterly amazes me how many shit photographers there are here who are critical of anything posted... oh, that's right: you chaps will argue over anything.
Never change, /p/. Never change.
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EF 85mm f/1.2L
Muh Bowkee
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/but you'll never take sharp pictures with it ;)
Too much blur? No prob.
Winrar!
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Muh bowkeh!
>>2782639
fake as fuck
>>2782649
>fake as fuck
Retarded as ABSOLUTE Fuck.
Bitches don't know about the Brenizer Effect.
Ahahahahahaha!
Never change, /p/. Never change.
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>>2782649
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerrickasinas/5856162831
Brenizer / Bokeh Panorama
Some lenses just have a bad graduation in dof, but it's still real bokeh. Otherwise someone spent a long time meticulously painting the depth of each individual rock for a lens blur.
>>2782661
Yeah, it's considered one of the best examples out there of the effect. You need some pretty stable conditions of course... no moving plants or leaves - hence people usually do this on grass, rocks or the side of the road. But the effect itself is powerful because people aren't used to seeing the strong (shallow) DOF displayed in a wide image. The stronger the bokeh a lens produces the more powerful the effect.
/p/ was all over this in 2012. I came across a thread on the subject here that peaked my interest on the topic.
>>2782664
It's like I'm looking at a tiny Aela...
>>2782660
>yfw you realize that brenizer bokeh is a fake bokeh
>>2782661
>Some lenses just have a bad graduation in dof, but it's still real bokeh.
When you're trying to mimic the look of a large format camera with the Brenizer effect, it's important to not go all out. If you're trying to mimic the look of a 200mm f/5.6 lens on large format, you use a 200mm lens on your smaller camera, set the aperture to f/5.6, and then take lots of shots to make the field of view match that of the large format image. Going wide open with your smaller format lens makes the DOF falloff happen much too quickly and dramatically, which is jarring.
>>2782733
Good tips, good tips.
>>2782733
is there a tutorial anywhere on how to do this?
>>2782750
No problem. It can really look great if you do it correctly.
>>2782767
There are lots of them on YouTube and such. It becomes fairly straight-forward when you understand the basic concepts behind "cropping" due to smaller sensors though. Buckle up.
a 200mm lens always has the same level of "zoom". But what makes the lens a long telephoto on m4/3, and a normal portrait length on large format is merely the size of the sensor/film. It's always projecting the whole scene in front of it (assuming the lens is designed to project the whole image circle) and when you put a little sensor in that enormous projection, you only get the tiny center bit, so it looks telephoto.
So all you have to do to mimic that look of the larger format is to simulate a larger sensor, and you do that by taking lots of shots from the same perspective and stitching them together. That has the effect of using 20 sensors placed together to form a "large format sized sensor" using a patchwork of shots.
Check out the man himself explaining it -
https://youtu.be/lw39RecMxKo
The tutorials usually don't tell you about matching the focal length and aperture though. They just say "get a long lens and shoot wide open" which works SORT OF, but when you shoot much wider open than any large format lens is capable of, your results look a lot less soft and graceful, and a lot more jarring, since the field of view is impossibly large (from the stitching) which looks good, but the depth of field is also impossibly thin, and falls off really harshly and quickly, which doesn't happen with large format.
For instance, if you want to mimic the look of the Aero Ektar Speed Graphic combo, you'd look at the lens. The AE is a 178mm f/2.5
So if you wanted to mimic that look, no matter your camera, you'd want to get a lens that can be at that length and aperture (before any "equivalent" stuff (since we'll be removing the crop factor with the stitching)) and shoot at that.
>>2782779
cont.
Really all you're doing is removing the crop factor with stitching.
Doing the same shot with an 85mm f/1.2 will give you the same basic effect (a wide filed of view with a narrow aperture) but because the focal length and aperture will be working together to make the depth of field do much narrower, it won't look as nice, or as gentle. (Not that the focus fall-off of the Aero Ektar is particularly gentle, but you get the point)
>>2782781
sounds interesting and almost easy, i think i get the gist
defiantly going to look into this, sounds fun
have any tips for keeping the same perspective?
so it doesnt look panoramic when i stitch.
My 200m honestly sucks at like f6, would my f2 135 give me some nice results?
>>2782785
>would my f2 135 give me some nice results?
Certainly. A quite standard length on large format that equates fairly closely to a 50mm lens on a full frame format. Most of them are around f/3.5, so you'll want to be sure to stop down.
Approach your shots as if you were using a 50mm lens (maybe even put a 50mm equivalent on your camera for framing and finding the scene) and then when you find what you want to do, plant your feet, switch to your 135, stop down to f/3.5 or smaller, and start your sequence to match (and exceed) your desired field of view from when you were looking at the 50mm scene. A tripod really can help, but if you shoot carefully to not move the camera around too much.
>>2780826
he said to put it on a mirrorless Dingus
>>2782660
>shitty post processing fake memebokeh
neck yourself
>>2782664
yeah, /p/ had bad philistine tastes in 2012
>>2781143
Is this the bokeh thread sand negros?
bokehlicious!
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>>2784407
I could stand a small change in comp, but damn I fucking love that moment. 10/10
>>2785895
You should probably leave this board and never return.
