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Get in here and discuss (maybe even share) some photobooks.
I just picked up Glass House by Margaret Morton. Cool shit, beautiful lighting all the way through, perfect way to photograph the homeless without being a dick. Would recommend.
The most interesting one I've picked up recently, providing you with an inside look into the golden age of photojournalism.
Heavy enough to use it as a weapon itself.
If you are into uncompromising journalism you should definitely check it out.
In case you want to feel very sad for quite a long time. Especially touching if you lost your father or have a troublesome relationship.
Sex, drugs and drugs. A very personal story about losing yourself and others.
>>2739716
the anely defending a gless hoosie needs is tae nae be gart i gless ye feil
>>2739725
got it myself as a christmas gift. holy fuck its amazing. theres too much to learn just by looking at the photo sequences and editing.
the color photos are top notch, i wish they did an only color edition. watching these old vibrant slides (as in the goodbye for jfk series) is breathtaking.
Goldin in her prime, taking you on a ride full of then taboo topics from a very unique point of view.
Araki made countless books and they are all worth checking out on their own, but this one sums him up pretty well: he lost his marbles and that's ok
>>2739739
she was hideous, how did she fuck all these guys way out of her league?
Salgados best work, before he went crazy.
These are all I bought last year and I'm glad I bought them. Planning to buy one 50EUR book a month this year, you can't have enough of them.
>>2739743
Herion is a hell of a drug
>>2739741
because his wife died ;_;
>>2739746
>before he went crazy.
wot
hey bookguy, do you plan on buying D'Agata's Antibodies? ..saw one of those page turning videos of the book, and it had so much cool stuff.. still deciding though, between that or Minutes to Midnight.
I know that most people like Soth as a real Americana-type guy, but pic related—Dogs Days Bogota—is by far my favorite of his. Really sweet, really personal, tortured yet hopeful, where his Americana stuff tends to verge on being a little mean.
>>2739757
oh anon pls stop, this book makes me cry.
>>2739751
Have you watched Salt of the Earth?
The part that they left out is the hiatus the took after Exodus, guess he couldn't deal with the stuff he witnessed (understandably).
Going to something like Genesis afterwards shows that it left a mark on him. Yet after all the environmental work he did, he defended the mining company that polluted the Rio Doce.
>>2739729
I really liked this book, so personally revealing, can't imagine showing your fucked up family to the world in this way.
>>2739756
Haven't heard of it before but I'll definitely put it on my monthly buy list. The book I'll buy at the end of the month will be chosen randomly, if it happens to be that one I'll come back to talk about it.
bumping best thread.
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This month I'm finally gonna buy this baby
I've been meaning to get it for a while but the poorfag life kinda interfered. Got some extra money now though
>>2739757
fucking gem
r8 my collection m8s
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Uncommon Places.
One of my favorites. Extremely under-rated.
>>2742071
recently saw a best off book of him in a museum store, mostly portraits. Was 300$ though so I didn't buy it
Bought this book at Christmas after seeing it on youtube (art of photography). Very interesting book.
>>2742147
Also recently picked this book up. Very good price considering the size and print quality. Needless to say the photographs are outstanding.
Picked this up in the library today and FUCKING YES
The pictures are so amazing holy shit. Had to stop myself after going through 2/5 chapters so I could enjoy some later. If you're into minimalism and/or landscapes or maybe photography from Japan at all, try to pick this up somewhere it's really great not only from the content but also the way it's presented (1 picture per site and a corresponding Haiku on the other one).
>>2742153
Nat Geo Editor
>we need some asshole american photog to go exoticise these sand-farming peons in India with his foreign, commercial point of view
Photo Editor
>hold on bob, I've got your man, you're gonna love it
>Steve McCurry
>Mc
>Curry
>you get it bob!? Isn't that great?!
Nat Geo Editor
>rofl
>omg i am dieing
>>2743108
Goddamn. Post of the year. I salute your patrician taste.
>>2743108
lmao hilarious and on point. thank you /tv/.
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I really like corvides, so when I heard about ‘Solitude of Ravens’ I decided to pick it up.
That was until I found out that it goes for $700.
>>2743172
marry, kill, fuck.
<|:-)
I haven't read too many photography books, but this one was the most mind-blowing out of the ones I have. The way it goes through the various different genres of photography from different time periods — far beyond the documentary-style work we usually see here on /p/ — is eye-opening, both to the world around me and the potential of photography. So recommended.
>>2743198
cover and design looks shite, 1st year gd. so much for an art book. anyone else read this one? any good?
>>2743201
>literally judging a book by its cover
kys
>>2743172
That Don McCullin book is superb. Highly recommended.
>>2743185
kekle
How do you guys actually use photo books? I have a few that I really like but I just flip through and appreciate the photos. I'd like to study them to improve my own photography but I don't really know how to break a photo down into something that can be analysed and learned from.
Came home drunk a few weeks ago and ordered some photo books which arrived today.
Some of these are a bit wack, but happy with the Kern book, and to have gotten Adams' Polaroid Land Photography for $8.21.
Total noob here... what's a good book to get me started on photography theory?
>>2743913
the taschen pola book is a decent coffee table book. these photofile ones have never convinced me, they look cheap and small wtf.
>>2743848
you can study single photos like in "best of" books, but you can get the most out of a proper author photobook. the edition in these is nuts, most of the time they spend more time editing than making the pictures, sometimes several years. so, there is a reason for everything. if you deep study a book youll understand the "rules" of its internal working, why are colors used, why the subjects appear as they do, why a frontal aproach emphasizes some message better than a different framing. keyword is consistency.
check out that thread of the christmas guys, that work is very tight in a narrative sense.
>>2743848
>I don't really know how to break a photo down into something that can be analysed and learned from.
This will help:
>>2743198
And usually, books which are put together by a specific photographer usually have an essay or two in them which explain the photographer's vision.
Pic is another good one.
What's the consensus on this one? Genius or shallow exploitation?
>>2744053
who cares. guy was (and is still) unapologetic and just goes for it. he has the right attitude for photo.
>>2744054
Whether or not it results in good photos is a different matter altogether. I picked this up the other day and I feel like there's some brilliance there that I can't quite grasp through how sick to my stomach it makes me.
>>2744056
>Whether or not it results in good photos is a different matter altogether.
im pretty sure if someone is commited to shoot all day everyday for years without pulling self restrictions, its going to end up with some serious material. the worst enemy of good photography is "maybe i shouldnt, maybe i cant, maybe i need better camera, etc".
that said, can you articulate what was that made you feel like that? sick? ive never felt sick by looking at arakis work. jealous? fuck yes i do.
>>2744060
I guess I just get sick looking at nude bodies, especially those in sexual positions/contexts. It's somewhat difficult to describe, but it happens. In this case, it almost certainly has something to do with knowledge of the conditions of this work and what most of these girls went through, as well as the fact that Araki was an active patron of this scene. Competent and impressive? Sure. Good photography? I don't know. Depends on how much importance you place on subject, context, narrative, etc. For me, it feels like watching pornography or a snuff film.
>>2744053
>implying it wasn't genius to exploit that opportunity
I have it.
I think in a modern context, where nudity and sexual fetish imagery don't have nearly the same shock value as they did when it was released, it's much closer to pure documentary than it is to art photography.
Araki is a master, but not every photo he takes, or publishes, is a masterpiece, by any stretch.
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>>2743946
what kind of theory?
>>2744066
>it's much closer to pure documentary than it is to art photography.
This is fairly close to how I feel about it. Its sustained popularity seems to be at least partly due to its depiction of a totally vanished side of Tokyo—like those silly Storefront NYC books except with prostitutes. Sadly (or not), we can't really hope to understand its original significance unless we were there—I mean, we browse 4chan: those photographs are fairly pedestrian, content-wise. The "artistic" value is pretty much out the window, as is the case for most things that relied on shock value a few decades ago. I do know someone who insists that it "turns the spectator into a character," but that's a bunch of bullshit: every photograph does that. Tokyo Lucky Hole doesn't gain any merit from the fact that Araki couldn't stop staring into these girl's eyes.
>>2744069
He's probably one of those morons stuck in the /mu/ mindset.
If you actually want theory, read Susan Sontag's On Photography and Roland Barthes' Camera Lucida.
>>2744065
maybe what gets you is that the action is all real. as the other anon said, there is no much intent on going artsy or to make you dream, captivate, whatever. its straight in your face flash photo, as docu as it gets. lots of araki is porno though.
>>2744071
>I do know someone who insists that it "turns the spectator into a character," but that's a bunch of bullshit: every photograph does that
lol no. there is some detached as fuck photo (think dusseldorff and its acolytes) and there is immersive photo. the fact that araki was the boss around made it like a normal day there, not like it was a foreing guy with a camera who happened to cross the door today, otherwise youd get alec soth type awkwardness in the shots. for that, hes pretty skilled and gives you a perspective no other photog could have made. maybe you dont like whores and brothels.
>>2744072
>On Photography
Get out.
>>2744072
there is also photography reader. reader meaning it collects various essays such as excerpts of sontag and barthes (both of which the full essays are highly recommended).
>>2744078
Every photographer you love who was alive after it was written read it and was influenced by it to some extent. Serious discourse on photography continues to be completely pervaded by its hypotheses.
So why the vitriol? "lolfeminism"? Is this /v/ now?
>>2744081
>So why the vitriol? "lolfeminism"? Is this /v/ now?
Oh, be more sanctimonious.
Sontag was a dilettante and On Photography is trite fluff. You're vastly overstating her relevance and influence, I suspect because it was the first serious book on photography you ever read (six months ago).
>>2744083
do you even know what that means? you know she was in relations with leibovitz for almost ever right?
>>2744085
And?
>>2744086
pretty sure she was more invested in the arts than you are. however, you are free to believe what you want about yourself
>>2744087
>arts
Leibovitz is the queen of trite fluff, and I say this as someone who owns American Music.
>>2744089
dismissing a person's influence and stature due to to childish notions. will you also dismiss klein as the majority of his work was trite fashion mag fluff?
>>2744092
>dismissing a person's influence and stature due to to childish notions.
ouch, namecalling already. don't be so touchy.
klein was alright. better than leibovitz by far, but i'm not really sure why we're talking about either of them when Sontag is really the subject at hand.
you can't learn photography from a book
>>2744094
you called sontag a dilettante. i brought up that she was in a relationship with leibovitz. you called leibovitz trite so i asked if you also feel that klein is trite. if you cant at least follow basic implications i have no business with you.
>>2744099
Klein wasn't in a relationship with Sontag. Your logic doesn't follow.
Regardless, since I feel that Sontag is trite, let me recommend some reading in her place:
Any book written by A.D. Coleman
Occam's Razor by Bill Jay
>>2744093
>Sontag-Barthes shill
since when?
you mean a decent chunk of academia around the subject?
>>2744098
>you can't learn photography from a book
who the fuck ever said this thread was about that?
you can learn about photography from a book. you can look at nice photos in a nice photobook. —unless you hate books. do you hate books? why are you here, tthen?
Peter Peryer - Second Nature
Not as dramatic as alot of the mentioned books, but his composition has always fascinated me and his printing techniques are rather brutalist.
>>2744124
>brutalist
Fucking hell, everyone, please stop abusing this term.
>>2744125
I've not seen anyone else use it, Although I haven't actually read through this thread. I'm not wrong though? His technique has no regard for amenity (always too dark/light or purely consisting of midtone)
>>2744132
It's not in this thread. I think homeboy's talking about the general misuse of the term.
"Brutalist" is very specifically an architectural term. It comes from the French word for Raw (brut), and isn't an -ism appended to an English word. It refers to very utilitarian structures with lots of exposed concrete or brick work. It doesn't mean "work done by someone in a harsh manner", which is how you used it. I'm not sure you're a native English speaker, however, and such a lapse can be forgiven in this circumstance.
If you are an English speaker, now you know better.
>>2744132
>brutalist
I always thought it was an architectural term coined for buildings that were little more than slabs of concrete with rooms in
>>2743961
Yeah, it's nice.
The photofile books were a bit of a miss.
The prints themselves are decent enough, but they're too small in size.
I got what I paid for I guess.
i got infatuated with this one but holy fuck the jap photobooks are expensive as shit.
>>2744116
From what I hear, it's a visual diary. The girls knew about his status too and I think wanted to be in his pictures.
>>2744142
It is.
Really cool black and white shot!
>>2742061
>failing to notice some of the best fotobooks of all time
I knew you guys were plebs
>>2745592
Why don't you list what ones you consider the best and so we can get them instead of acting superior
>>2739751
Watch his ted talk.
"I couldn't shot sperm because I cry for the environment. Only blood is come out"
Only an insane person can say that
>>2742061
thats a rather ugly cabinet, anon. talks very bad of you. have you seen those almost falling white trash shit houses with cool motorcycles in the yard? exactly the same.
I paid $7 for this book irl at a local book fair today, but this pdf was the second google result for it.
http://www.timlaytonfineart.com/the-print-ansel-adams.pdf
>>2745606
>"I couldn't shot sperm because I cry for the environment. Only blood is come out"
thats not insanity. thats bono tier, by the book bleeding heart artist. what an insufferable cunt, i knew it just looking at his pics. burtynsky hsa shot some of the most horrific environmental disasters and you dont see him crawling around the corners crying like a faglord.
>>2745633
Salgado's pics are god tier tho?
You sound jelly.
It takes a passion for the subject to make documentary work of such power.
This is the only decent thread on /p/ but a fucking large margin.
Can we keep in on track by posting decent photobook recommendations rather than shitposting and arguing about pointless shit?
>launch price $45
>current price $700
>used
just fuck my shit up fäm.
the same with all d'agatas classics.
at least there is a city of darkness reissue right now thats affordable.
would you look at this CUTE set?
cutest box set ever!
its a shame itll get all mangled by the international post services. JUST..
https://vimeo.com/141894882
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>>2745652
Thanks for reminding me to order City of Darkness revisited.
>>2745659
>https://vimeo.com/141894882
Great idea about having individual prints with text on the back.
whats your opinion on accordion books?
gimmick? necessary for some titles? ..i dont like that they end ripping apart at some point. there must be a cleverer way to do the same without risking book integrity.
>>2745675
basically i'm looking for an extension of "rule of thirds and leadings lines"
>>2745626
it's really fucking cool actually, my dad built it in the 80s, kill yourself
>>2745595
Sorry I'm used to the cutthroat atmosphere of /lit/.
To name a few:
Walker Evans - American Photographs (obvious)
Paul Strand circa 1916 (imo his best work)
Max Thorek - Creative Camera Art (forgotten but impressive post-pictorialist)
Moholy Nagy - Painting, Photography, Film (basically first modernism photobook)
Werner Graff - Es Kommt die Neue Fotograf! (similar to ^^)
Blossfeldt - Urformen Der Kunst (not first edition unfortunately)
Leni Riefenstahl - Schonheit Im Olympischen Kampf - (inb4 edgy)
Roy DeCarava - The Sweet Flypaper of Life (for diversity's sake)
Peter Beard - End of the Game (truly incredible, everyone should own this)
Lewis Baltz - The Prototype Works (sumptuous art objects)
Sternfield, Gursky, no explanation needed.
All my books were <$100, I can't afford the really good stuff.
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>>2745675
>>2745679
My advice is avoid anything published recently, and anything explicitly about photography. There are some excellent older books that deal with art composition classically. You need to read someone whose visual sense hasn't been polluted by the present mass spectacle of images. Then when the time comes you can start to pick up the anti-classical techniques starting with Frank, Klein, etc.
Arthur Wesley Dow: Composition
Eleanor Parke Custis: Composition and Pictures
Henry Poore: Pictorial Composition...
Jay Hambridge: Elements of Dynamic Symmetry
>>2745785
This is solid advice.
>>2745780
Awesome, I'll look out for those
>>2744065
What did these "girls go through"?
>>2745955
anon thinks araki is a womanizer shitlord, and that these girls were somewhat abused sex slaves. fact is, they are much safer there than with a yakuza pimp or whatever whore island colony they could go to work.
>>2745785
thanks dude. i appreciate the thorough response.
>>2744429
>wanted to be in his pictures
I'm sure they were well paid, yes
a small share of 3 photobooks i found interesting. i dont owe them.
this one is cool, from those old russian space age installations.
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>>2746055
it was kinda big, i liked that. paper felt 70s.
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>>2746056
colorwork was impressive.
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next one. this guy is called bertoni. book is called chilenas. its literally that, chilean women in the 80s. there is interspersed small poetry too, mostly lewd. i think it works great.
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>>2746059
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>>2746060
compo is pretty free. gives a pervy feel which i think goes along with the content.
>>2746058
well, i prefer a spread photo over the same photo in half the size. its a book, you need that to happen. otherwise, get a full print. purpose is different. i like that one need to stretch the book to see the photo completely, is a small wrestling with the material that makes you emotionally involved on it.
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finally, this guy, wormull. book is called stay and describes his life in some cold country, sweden, finland, cant remember now. liked a lot the print quality and the dialog between the opposed shots.
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One of my favorites.
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>>2746056
why your creepy ass fingers look like spider legs
'The Creation' - Ernst Haas
Picked it up years ago in an antiques store I worked in and introduced me to the idea of photography as an abstract medium, really wowed me. Not my favourite book I own but was really influential.
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>>2742061
pretentious/10
>>2746219
u should see my amazon wishlist senpai :^)
this book 1st tirade was at like $30. bought it. that was months ago. they are already selling it at $130. wewlads.
>>2746134
ayy genes.
>>2746269
get the new one that's coming out in March
>>2743198
http://cs538117.vk.me/u235883153/docs/e90b24f7db8e/The_Photograph_as_Contemporary_Art.pdf
here you pansies.
>>2746254
I wanted to get that. Seemed really cool. O well.
>>2745780
...it looks like a bunch of 3/4" plywood screwed together.
>>2747659
it is. its amazing indeed. every photo is unique, but they all say the same, he has that "editing gift".
>>2746506
that direct link doesn't work for me, but this one does
vk
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The Photograph as Contemporary Art pdf
To revive this thread as it's a rare gem for /p/
Can anyone recommend a good book for work by W Eugene Smith? I love his work but I don't have a book for it (just the small sample in a few Magnum books I own). I'm a fan of his photo essays so ideally a book which groups them by story rather than just a collection of his most famous works.
I've only seen on decent book for his work so far and it's out of print - so way too expensive.
bumping with maiman Soth, what a guy.
>>2749347
I need to get one of his books, love his work from what I've seen online. Any recommendations?
>>2749389
have a look at this, bro. try to make it to the end without an overload of feels.
http://haveanicebook.com/book/dog-days-bogota/
>>2749423
Fuck, why did they have to leave it out of that recent collection?
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Here's my recent pick up. (The one on the right is Last Launch by Dan winters)
I'm also excited for Nick Brandts and Gregory Crewdson new books coming in March
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I got Mark Cohen's Frame and David Lynch's snowmen coming in the mail.
>>2750965
>gregory crewdson
holy shit i just found that guy 2 nights ago, loooove his work. psyched for the new book.
i got pic related for christmas, it's pretty great.
>>2751029
Crewdson's overrated desu
>>2751037
Did you like him before he was well known, hipsterfag?
>>2751037
Why? Is it because he's a better version of Jeff Wall?
>>2751029
You should get Beneath The Roses It's pretty cheap I think around $30-40 It's it has 50 photos and a behind the scenes section that shows how some of them are made. There's also a great documentary that follows him making like 5 or 6 of the 50 photos.
>>2746059
Puta que es buena la obra de Bertnoni. El libro vale 6 mil pesos, 7 dolares.
What's the best collection from VII?
>>2751077
Thanks, will check that out!
>>2744208
wtf are these reee
>>2751741
link?
>>2751786
http://www.photoeye.com/bookstore/citation.cfm?catalog=ZE978
I just reverse image searched it heh, has it in the preview thing
>>2751741
>wtf are these
Stones in a stream. Not something you commonly see in a basement
>>2751851
No, stones aren't gelatinous blobs
>>2751851
One of those 'stones' is clearly wrapping around that tree branch
Speaking of books, where's /p/'s photobook?
>>2752510
iggy took all our photos and is distributing them for profit on the black market
>>2752514
oh snap
sup, dramaqueens.
anyone got this one? hyperart : thomasson. thomasson was the name of an american basseball player that was bought by japan in the 50's only to be revealed as the most expensive and useless item ever. then, this book is about thomassons, which are those useless pieces of urban vestiges that stopped being useful long time ago, but are still mantained and fixed god knows why. its said the texts are hilarious too.
>>2751119
will send him my best creepshots in print form, maybe that would start a nice mail exchange.
>>2752514
>opinion stated as fact
>>2752564
Sounds phenomenal. Maybe I'll search it out when I finally get to studying Japanese. Gotta improve my Deutsche first desu.
What do you think of text accompaniment in general, /p/? At what point does a photo book stop being a photo book? How much importance should be placed on text?
>>2752849
>At what point does a photo book stop being a photo book?
when the text tells you more than the photos themselves.
>>2752848
iirc the book is a compilation of the countless articles the author did for a newspaper in the 80s. with time, people started submitting him photos of found thomassons. pic related is a guy that sent his photo of himself standing over some sort of tall ass abandoned chimney or something, prior to the cops arriving. dem nips are fucking crazy lol.
>>2752579
That's pretty obviously my opinion. I just stated it persuasively enough that you confused it for a fact.
>>2752893
Yes, and he pointed it out. "Water consists of two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule" is not an opinion. Opinions usually start with something like "In my opinion" or "I feel" or "to me" or some other statement to let everyone know that you understand that your personal feelings may not have anything to do with reality.
>>2752899
Lol, you're an idiot if you need everyone to clarify their statements like that.
>>2752904
(in my opinion
Just so we're clear.
>>2752924
Yep, this thread is a cherry blossom on the shit-apple tree. Let's not let it get off track.
Here's a book (well, 3 books) I want to buy when I have some spare cash. Unfortunately the first book is now not available new and used copies are fucking expensive. Always the way.
>>2753063
This thread has just been a bunch of worthless self-validation.
"oh, i like this book."
"here's a book i want to buy."
"here's a book i recently bought"
great fucking thread indeed.
>>2753063
Also this.
>>2753064
>Look at all you cunts enjoying photography and sharing photography books you've found. What the fuck have photographs taken by talented photographers got to do with photography? You guys should do someone more productive like contributing to the many wonderful gear threads on /p/.
>>2753073
If people were actually posting photographs by talented photographers and not just the fucking book covers it might actually be an interesting thread. Instead, we just have more useless self-affirmation than a girls' night out.
"No, YOU have good taste!"
"OMG wait until you check out my new handbag... I MEAN PHOTOBOOK!"
>>2753076
We're recommending books to each other. Do you want us all to post pics from them? That would be stealing, right?
>>2753069
That's gotten so unmanageably expensive that it's kind of amazing.
>>2753091
It wouldn't be stealing. It would be a textbook example of fair use for educational purposes.
>>2753095
You also don't even have to post pics from the books. Just example photographs from the photographer would be an improvement.
>>2753094
I know. Same with the first copy of the Nick Brandt trilogy of books (the 'On the earth' on).
I hate it when I don't realise a book is out or don't have the spare cash when it's released only for it to x10 in price 6 months later.
>>2753076
>>2753097
But the entire point of this thread is to point out particular books / body of work and not the actual photographers themselves.
Posting photographs would be pointless because you can't encapsulate a whole body of photographic work in one or two images. People posting in this thread are intelligent enough to use google, youtube, amazon, etc, to research the book and see if it's something they'd like to buy. It's also good to post a book you like because someone might recommend a similar photographer or piece of work you didn't know.
>>2753111
>But the entire point of this thread is to point out particular books / body of work
Right, so worthless self-validation like I first said.
Figured. Also, keks of the year go to
>People posting in this thread are intelligent enough to [...]
>>2753112
honest question, are you retarded? I don't know you would reach the conclusion that sharing photo books is worthless self validation
I recommend this one. Similar to a lot of Martin Parr's work and that Polish photographer that photographs Cardiff's nightlife.
>>2753113
If you are a egocentric person incapable of empathy, it would be reasonable to assume that you would project your small world view onto others, as a replacement for not understanding their motivations.
Well adjusted people would clearly take these as recommendations, which could be very helpful if they hadn't even heard of the photographer before.
how about you all stop responding to trolls, you literal pieces of shit. post stuff on topic, or dont post at all, fucking spergs.
>>2743198
Amazing intro book to photography, but I doubt ANYone here wants to make art out of photography. Most people here just do snapshots or overly composed documentary work, hence the praise to sebastiao salgado, a complete hack in art photography.
If you really want into Art photography this book is probably a great overall intro. Susan Sontag is a must, Cinema Stills are probably the most important series of works for contemporary work.
And moreover, if you have ANY interest whatsoever in ART, you should start with art history, then photography history.
Robert Frank is the beginning of art photography; Twentysix Gasoline Stations is also noticeable.
>>2753356
>I doubt ANYone here wants to make art out of photography
i do. and yeah, the book is pretty cool, has lots of shit crammed into a tiny book. might even purchase it.
>>2753356
If there is any thread that's gonna have art photographers in it, it's gonna be this thread.
>>2753076
What's stopping you from starting? You posted the ultimate shitpost, congrats.
>>2753356
Robert Frank is the beginning of art photography? I disagree. He had a very documentarian style and others have been doing that before him. How can you say HCB isn't art?
>>2752514
I feel you. I personally really like him and how he puts so much detail into every photo where you have to look it at closely (Pic Related: Look at the group of kids in fog all the way in the background), but flipping through to his book I do get tired of seeing gloomy, sad, and mundane photos. He's also pretty pretentious and everyone he works with seems to stroke his ego. I also found him to be a little creepy from his documentary, but I like that he puts aesthetics, and visual interest first. To each his own. I find that most newbies don't really know him, I've met some photographers, and photo book collectors that didn't know who he was.
>>2753386
My favorite Eggleston quote is from when he he was talking about first seeing the decisive moment book.
"That was some real fucking art."
>>2753063
"On This Earth" was a very poorly printed book, he didn't like the printing so he never reprinted it.
"A Shadow Falls" The printing of this book is to his liking so he keeps making it.
He also has a book called "On This Earth, A Shadow Falls" Which is a combination of the 2 books It features about 80% of the images. I actually have this book, and it's my favorite of my entire collection. The printing is amazing the highest quality I've personally seen. His books are pretty huge 13.5x 15 inches The biggest prints in that book are huge some maxing out at 12 x 24.
"Across The Ravaged Land" I also own, the printing is very good too from the same publisher as the 2 books above but the paper is different and feels a little cheaper.
"Inherit the Dust" Is his newest and it's coming in March 2016.
Hope it helps, I really enjoy both of the books I have. "On this Earth, A Shadow Falls" is like $115 which is pretty pricey but it's well worth it if you love Wildlife, Landscape or Fine art photography you'll love it. I showed it to a friend who's very into street photography and photojournalism and he finds landscapes, and wildlife boring, and has a huge collection of books, and when he started looking through it he was pretty stunned. by it.
Girlfriend bought me The Bone House by Joel Peter-Witkin for Christmas which is really great. I just picked up Jesus and The Cherries by Jessica Backhaus and Model Americans by Katy Grannan. I haven't had a chance to look at those two too much yet.
>>2753356
>Robert Frank is the beginning of art photography
Turd cherry on the shit sundae that is this thread. No surprise that it comes from the resident Sontagshill.
>>2753425
>Sontagshill
Yes, a very well-known and significant text read by many needs shills.
>>2753426
You should read more books if you think Frank was the first art photographer and Sontag is significant.
Many.
More.
Books.
just watched a vimeo of D'Agatas Antibodies, which i wanted to cop until today. i guess it doesnt cut it for me now. too much edge, too much of the same. the same picture spread on 500 pages. thank you for reading my blog.
>>2753442
>So its a collection of how many of his previous works?
i think it has everything
>As these previous works are usually quite expensive would you say this would be the best to have?
might sound banal, but as an object all these previous ones, even the small short ones, surpass the huge book. boundaries and self containment give a more focused scope. if you throw it all into a big bin, then you lose potency. but yeah, you want all of his pictures, get that, all of his previous shit is sky high expensive, prices will only go up.
>>2752564
was reading reviews for this one. like 6x 5 stars, and one 2 stars.. went to see it out of curiosity and it was this. why are women so shit? i dont even.
Any good street/documentary book recommendations? The grimmer the better.
Really liking "A Wah Do Dem" by boogie atm
>>2753425
did you just recently learn the word "shill"?
i doubt sontag has paid someone to advertise her book from 1977 on 4chan.
throwing around words you don't understand and posting pepes doesn't help discussion, it just rubs your stink on the thread.
>>2753397
Thanks! This is exactly why I like this thread.
I think I'll look at getting the "On This Earth, A Shadow Falls" and "Across The Ravaged Land" as a two book purchase rather than the three original books. It's not a cheap book so I guess I'll just wait for a reasonably priced used copy to show up.
Are they the same size? I know it's slightly odd but I'd like to have the complete spread of works in the same size print (if that makes sense).
>tfw i have some books in mind but theres this trip i have wanted to do from a long time ago, which will bring photos too
life is suffering.
>>2753679
Yes they are the same size all his books are 13.5x15
>>2743108
>brix shat
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>>2753425
>>2753386
Robert Frank is probably the first photographer to disregard form and worry more about his themes and subjectivity itself.
>>2753375
It's worth the purchase, although I haven't revisited it since I bought it for about 20 euros.
>>2753425
Sontag has great essays all around, her essay on photography, and her 2003 essay on images have amazing discussions.
>>2753896
You're 100% wrong, bud.
>>2753945
I'm glad you saw the light.
>>2753960
I'm glad you haven't.
bump, you dramaqueens.
Tried to take pictures of my Stephen Shore book and realised it was pointless when i could find the same images with better quality from google images. well i tried.
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>>2748072
I like more real than reality very much. Uses nice 150g paper. It is seperated in his photoessays.
>>2753356
>Overly composed
Good composition is somehow Bad
Fucking hipster
>>2754540
Good composition is mundane most often and in the case of Sebastiao Salgado it is all he has. His work is mainly documentary and thus his artistic merit is pretty low if existant. Sure it's cute that he cares for who he photographs and what not but it has barely no content other than whats surface about it.
>>2754540
Good composition is good composition, but who cares if the subject isn't interesting? Look at any number of anonymous photographs from like photo.net or flickr something. Look at those "DREAMY BEAUTIFUL FANTASY PORTRAIT" things that we all despise so much. They're well composed, but who gives a shit?
>>2754584
Of course composition is just a part. Salgados subjects however are far from what I would call boring.
>>2754540
The dude obviously has no fucking clue what he's talking about. Ignore.
Many people have strong feelings about Crewdson's work. It may be described as Cinema-graphic because of they way he lights his work. Huge lights, big budget and a team that scouts ahead for props that he uses in his pics. You don't have to like him (I've met Greg) to appreciate his efforts. He came to my town, set a house on fire for a pic, then put it out. Trucked in 15 dump trucks of snow to snow in our main street for another shot. he does alot for his images, and that says alot about him.
>>2754760
>Cinema-graphic
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>>2754659
Maybe boring isnt the word, try nobody cares about it anymore. Or maybe im saturated with the topic and he provides nothing new to it.
>>2754760
>Cinema-graphic
lel
well i liked him at first. still like him, although ive seen some of his recent stuff and it looks corny as fuck, like HDR, oil paint ps filter like, all that shit together. too fucking much pp. anyways what lowered my admiration was to find people that does that shit better, and less tight-assedly, like Alex Prager.
Salgado is one of the least interesting photographers ive ever seen. The issue is that his work is documentary and journalistic, not artistic. The line is set by subjectivity which is pretty absent from salgado's work.
>>2754834
i think he has this commercial eye. its like you see his monumental shots and its like wow, this surely must make big $$$. like with mccurry. you never see poor people giving a bad eye or doing nasty shit, because there is this dreamlike, disney like ideology surrounding all of it.
>>2754843
There are a million reasons as to why he isnt viewed as an artist by anyone with any remote interest in art.
>>2754848
>There are a million reasons as to why he isnt viewed as an artist by anyone with any remote interest in art.
I can't believe this thread is real.
>>2754853
>refuses to prove anyone wrong
>replies with a meme expecting bandwaggoning
classy
>>2754853
>I can't believe this thread is real.
give reasons man. all guys i know that studied photo and that are pursuing an artistic carreer put of it dont put this guy with the likes of Soth, Eggleston, Gursky, or whatever photo guy thats respected in artistic circles. the fact that Salgado is some sort of embassador of peace and environment or some bullshit is a clear red light.
>>2754860
>>2754866
Ok now try using words and not whatever awards his commercial work earned him.
>>2754870
None of that was for commercial photography, fucktard.
now to wait for the SHIPPED email. why is this process so comfy?
>>2754894
kudos to you for actually paying for the book
physical copies of photobooks (as long as they aren't terribly printed) are very nice
>>2754903
I got mine for about 30 euros when i went to paris, its not an expensive one
>>2754903
>kudos to you for actually paying for the book
wut. i pay for all my books. oh except fo the araki one that was reinbursed because lost, then it appeared. free bigass book.
well bought it because the pdf was really interesting, and i cant be assed to read all that from the screen.
>>2754906
>30 euros
got it for 11GBP shipping included. the brits have some great online book stores, with real nice intl shipping prices.
>>2754912
i dont know how good ebay is for canadian shipping though, i should have that checked
>>2754918
well i live in chile and brits have great shipping prices, japs too. ausfags, thai too. burgers have retardedly expensive ship prices.
>>2753443
Seems odd how its only 50ish Euros though for essentially the entirety of D'agata's work so will probs cop just on that alone. Who knows maybe this too will sky rocket it price
>>2754875
This guy quotes friends who studied photography, aka faggot hipsters. Just disregard. The modern Art world is a gigantic pretentious cirklejerk.
>>2755224
>the modern art world
>modern
yeah, it used to be.
this book is pretty decent, the insight contained in the interviews are great, photos too. but why the pleb ass cover? im literally not buying that because of the shitty cover.
BEST THREAD ATM AND ITS ON PAGE 7, NO WONDER YOURE A BUNCH OF PLEBS.
BUMP YOU SACKS OF SHITE.
Recent pickups from the library, excuse the shitty snaps
>Thomas Struth collection
>Daido Moriyama Shinjuku 19xx-20xx
>Elliott Erwitt Personal Best
>Trude Lukascek The Beach
The top right book essentially contains 10 interviews with famous, contemporary travel/landscape/nature photographers, showcasing their techniques, approaches to photography and gear
Trude Lukascek was completely unknown to me before, but apparently she's a photographer from Austria (where I am from), who's traveled across beaches in Europe and took pictures of mostly colorful things like parasols, changing cabins etc. Short, but pretty cool nevertheless
>>2757622
*top left
>>2757622
can you post pictures of the inside of the books? pick your faves.
>>2757622
>Thomas Struth
Never got his work. I watched his documentary a while ago, seems like a total faggot. By far the worst thing Dusseldorf spat out.
>>2757622
Also bei Addison-Wesley fand ich schon die Programmier-Leitfaeden aetzend. Die Aufmachung der Photo-Buecher laesst nichts Gutes erhoffen. Oder taugen die was?
>>2757642
>By far the worst thing Dusseldorf spat out.
youre forgetting candida hoffer.
>>2757642
those are some hot opinions u got there
waht r u gonna do w/all those hot opinions?
ordered pic related minutes ago. tales of tono. this is so beautiful.
>>2758636
Hope you got the english version or can read japanese, because you're probably going to want to read those essays in the back.
Tis a shame that the english version's prints are much lower quality. You can see how blurry the pictures are... not because they were out of focus but because the book was poorly made.
>>2758988
>because you're probably going to want to read those essays in the back.
got the japanese one, because it looked slick and the blacks were black as fuck. about the text, now i have one good reason to ask a jap qt to read it for me.
DUDE BOOKS LMAO
>>2759822
under rated post
