>WHAT THE FUCK BRO WHY ARE YOU TAKING MY PICTURE?
>THATS MESSED UP I DIDNT SAY THATS OK
Has this ever happened to you? Someone (not pic related) just said this to me on the street. I just ignored him and kept walking. Am I going to get beat up? How do you take candid street pics?
>>2715225
Wear hipster clothes, grow a beard, be confident, blah blah. Appearances.
Also, calmly ask if you should remove picture if someone gets mad.
> just arrive in rio after about 20 hours of flying/layovers
> go to hotel to sleep
> before check in time
> fuck
> tired af but have to kill time until rooms are available
> walk on beach
> snap this pic
> 1 second later that dude is following me right on my ass and screaming portuguese at me
> everyone is staring at me because i'm a dumb american
i figured out right away he expected me to give him money since i took a photo of his shit but i just kept walking.
about 5 minutes after that some kid walked up besides me, squirted my shoes with mustard without me seeing it, then started cleaning my shoes and demanded i pay him.
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>>2715225
You know it is considered creepy and a general violation of privacy to take ones picture without asking in normal society.
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>NO ENGLISH
>NON
Just pretend you don't speak the language. It works well, just remember to look confused if they call you a non common insult.
If someone says something like this to you on the street then you're probably a little bitch. Try getting /fit/ and maybe people will be less likely to stand up to you.
Just be confident, don't shy away, and be more willing to walk up to people than they are to you. I never feel bad taking a photo, if it makes someone want to approach me I'll approach them too and we can talk it out. This is also a good way to to prevent/negate someone running up and clobbering you.
For what it's worth, it rarely happens to me. If I really need to talk to someone I tell them I'm a student and it's for an assignment.
Never, I've even gone out at night with a flash ala charlie kirk and have only had people having a laugh with me. It'll happen eventually though, it happens to everyone. OP you have to realise that your images are more important for the most part than their feelings. That doesn't mean you dont respect them but you have to approach your work as a professional in terms of dedication
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>>2715337
so you didn't get your camera stolen yet?
>>2715225
Just be like Bruce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkIWW6vwrvM
>>2715338
99% of people don't give a fuck, it's easy to spot those who do (and you can simply pass on them). Some are actually flattered or intrigued by it.
>>2715441
>Just be confident
This x1000.
>>2715471
>I've even gone out at night with a flash ala charlie kirk
Totally. You might think flash might be more annoying (and it can be), but it definitely adds to the view that you're doing legit work and not just being some creeper.
Done it for a few years, have several thousand negatives of different people, only had a handful of bad interactions.
>>2715608
I totally love how he does not give a single shit at all. That's part of the reason why I appreciate his work so much.
>>2715225
>take a picture of someone without asking
>be surprised when they don't like it
Yelling and screaming might be a little much, but is it really that surprising that some people don't want you to have a photo of them?
just bee urself, OP.
>>2715678
Bees?
>>2715375
>tfw /fit/
>canadian winters mean i have to wear big coats and a hat so i look like any old normie
>>2715337
If you take a picture of someone's sculpture or playing music and they have a container for tips, it's common etiquette to leave them one.
>about 5 minutes after that some kid walked up besides me, squirted my shoes with mustard without me seeing it, then started cleaning my shoes and demanded i pay him.
That's the little shit you tell to fuck off for ruining your shoes and attempting to scam you on top of that.
Or just get yourselves a real fucking subject? Street cunts are only one rung above paparazzi.
Spend an afternoon dedicated to doing it, once you get over the nerves, it can become a bit of a kick.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzysxHGZCAU
This is all I can think of, but then again he supposedly looks like an edgy freak.
OC
>>2715779
>Break into someone's house
>Sneak into child's room
>Start reading to them
Every time I do this, the parents form an irrational fear of reading.
>>2716221
no no you have legitimate problems m8
>>2716221
i think youre going to need a huge wall for all dat paedo projection m8. seek help desu.
>Take a photo
>"hey you can't take my photo without permission. delete that right now."
>"its film"
>"just delete it ok"
>...."ok it's deleted"
>"thanks"
unfortunately i was just getting started at this spot last night using flash and was in Av mode with the aperture too small, but the dad yelling at his kid, then the death stare he gave me afterwards as i was popping flash in his face made me think i should get ready to run.
>>2716456
hella out of focus
>>2716456
shutter speed was set to 1/10 sec handheld, so there's that. it's garbage for multiple reasons but i still laugh seeing that guy getting so angry at me and i figured it fit in with the theme of people getting mad at photographers on the street.
/p/, I have a question that is related to this but the other way around.
I was shooting a couple of people in an alley tucked away into the city when some old guy came in with his point and shoot camera and started shooting. I told him "Hey, I don't care if you wanna take pictures but you should probably ask these people if they're okay with you taking their photo" and then the guy took a picture of me.
I guess he wouldn't have looked so guilty if he didn't snap a pic of me and start taking more pictures aggressively to get us bothered, but whatever. I felt like I tried handling the situation as best as I could (hey you can ask them if they don't mind having their photos taken).
Is there any other way I could have handled the situation? Put yourself in the shoes of P&S guy and tell me how you would've liked being told the models would not mind having their photo taken if you asked.
>>2716577
> I told him "Hey, I don't care if you wanna take pictures but you should probably ask these people if they're okay with you taking their photo"
lolwut?
> and then the guy took a picture of me
Good. I'm glad.
> I felt like I tried handling the situation as best as I could
No, you handled it like an annoying busybody faggot.
> Is there any other way I could have handled the situation?
Yes. You kindly STFU and mind your own business. Or would you like someone to start bitching at you and trying to police what photos you take? I guarantee that there is someone in the world that we can find that will object to any photo you take and you'll be all "B-b-b-uut my rights to take photoss are being suppressed."
You sound like you're 13. Grow up. If someone objects to having their photo taken they can say so themselves, otherwise you're just trying to fuck with other people's actions to satisfy yourself only.
I find that people will only get offended and all "Muh copyrights/safe space" if you use a flash.
>be one in a million with smartphone taking pics of everything from coffee to dogshit and nobody cares
>be THAT guy with a bazooka bokeh cannon and maybe even a tripod and nobody will even begin to doubt your professionalism
>>2715337
>mfw I'd try to fuck those beaches if I stumbled upon it drunk as fuck
>>2716585
you might get robbed/killed while doing it. it's copacabana, rio. i've read about broad daylight stickups on that beach where a couple of guys show up, pull out a gun, and shakedown everyone on the beach. i went there for a conference and one of the others attending was robbed of his laptop by gun in the day on a beach.
>>2716587
>BR BR BRHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
>o-oh okay, I'll give you anything you want from me!
>>2716581
I appreciate you trying to rustle my jimmies but it's evident you didn't read the post or actually do photography.
>>2715337
Fuck third world shitholes.
And fuck you for not understanding how third world shitholes work.
>>2715338
What we do know is, you're a tool. stfu please.
>shooting b-roll for a documentary
>homeless guy in background gets in my face about taking video
>'bro delete that'
>'no'
>'delete it or I'll kick your ass'
>push three random buttons
>'OK done'
>he walks back to his perch
>I call the 5-o and use video to describe him
>5 min later cops are getting in his face
>>2716221
more like
>walk around outside
>reading a novel, sometimes out loud
>every time I do this nobody gives a shit except for the occasional paranoid dipshit who thinks I'm an alien
>you're the dipshit
ftfy
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>>2715225
>How do you take candid street pics?
Be stealthy or just fast. Whichever if fine as long as you don't ruin the moment you're trying to capture.
Moving smoothly and quickly (as in moving your body and moving with your feet to get the angle you want) helps.
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>>2717846
>living in a paranoid delusion
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In-your-face flash isn't really my thing anymore (I just don't do it that often now), but it's a good exercise to practice getting up close and moving quickly. Try it out sometime. There's a short window of time (feels like half of a second) from when you're noticed before the subjects start to react and change their pose and postures, so take advantage of that if you need to.
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>>2715225
>How do you take candid street pics?
smoke weed lmao.
srs it drops the creep levels, mostly because you become a cool smiling motherfucker instead of a faggot thinking that hes doing something immoral.
also you have to learn to pre plan in your head the frame. about all the time its this way. you have to insert the frame size in your head and have to be capable to imagine how the shot will work from eye level, your waist, or your knee.
youll only learn about this by shooting more. drop the dslr.
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>>2717847
>being socially retarded enough to harass people with a camera
>>2715657
Bruce Gilden, motherfucker. F8 and flash and be there....
>>2717852
>harass
It's harassment if it makes the typical person uncomfortable, like say, grabbing butts and smearing mud on car windows and screaming at old ladies about the end of the world.
It's not harassment if your irrational fear of say, taking pictures in public makes you terrified of normal, legal, and artistic activities.
How are your HDR architecture shots and sooc jpegs bokeh macros of dead bugs in your window sill coming along?
>>2717858
>macros of dead bugs
pls dont bully NG. he a good boy.
I would love to do this but there's no fucking way I'm taking these kinds of pics in my own city.
My city isn't quite big enough for the level of anonymity that I'd need to feel comfortable.
If I pissed someone off I'm just not that hard to find. There are maybe 10 guys in the whole city that are as tall as me so I can't really disappear.
Usually; if someone approaches me for me snapping photos I'll just throw around the remark
>So, uh, you wanna be in a photography magazine or gallery, or not?
Usually shuts them up and lets me network my business aswell. If that doesn't work
This does
>>2716266
>>2716456
thats fucking hilarious
>>2715225
>take a photo
>"yo I don't want my picture taken mang delete this"
>"No."
>"yo delete that shit right now or I'll kick your ass"
>"No."
>walk away
>nothing happens
Wow so hard.
niggas in this thread don't know how to oh-hi.info
>>2718386
there's a difference between street photography and being a creeper with a telephoto lens who thinks he does street though senpai
>>2718388
Oh, come on. You can do better than that. The whole "eggy is a creeper with a tele" meme is so 2011. Come up with something new and interesting.
oh look it's this thread again
Does the camera matter when doing street? Do you get more instances of people coming up to you when you use a DSLR instead of a small point and shoot? I'm planning to use a small film slr like the om-1 for street.
>>2718763
obviously there are times when it's advantageous to be discrete, that's why a big dslr can be a problem. there's also a thread here about taping up the whole camera with black tape to make it even more inconspicuous.
>>2715225
several times, and I'm not a 'street' photographer. hood rats in san francisco for some reason bothered me, they left after I was nice to them and bullshit with them for a bit. had some homeless guy in panama hassle me after I took a picture of a street he was hiding in (I hadn't seen him, and he accused me of spying?)
talked with him and turns out he was from new york. switched from my shit spanish to english and told him I'd buy him booze but not food, since I was going in to a sit down place and didn't want to bother with a doggy bag. He went away after I a) calmly treated him like a human being, and b) was confident and laughed about his concerns. I'm a nice person and connect well with them, even when telling them off, so it's not a problem. Just relax and be nice, you'll be fine.
>>2718769
also if it's the third world just tell people to go fuck themselves while laughing. Nothing's going to happen to you if you have the smallest amount of street smarts.
>>2718770
This is the most hilarious thing that I have read so far.
>>2718763
Smaller will definitely grab less attention. But within reason, you probably won't be confronted anyway unless you linger in the same place for a long time. It's only the really anal places.
>>2718767
>there's also a thread here about taping up the whole camera with black tape to make it even more inconspicuous.
Is a black camera more inconspiscuous? My OM-1 is chrome.
if people start questioning you just say you're taking photos for a travel blog or something. that works 90% of the time for me
or you can just not give a fuck. i found that most people really don't mind
>>2715225
>Taking photos at an intersection
>Middle aged bogan lady
>"Hey you can't take photos of people at an intersection that's an invasion of privacy"
>Turn and point my camera into the crowded walkway
>"You know what, I give up on you"
>She then walks away and flips me off
I still to this day do not know why I didn't take a photo of her flipping me off. It is definitely my biggest photography regret.
>>2719024
Do people not realize that it's 100% legal to take pictures of whatever the fuck you want in public property?
Now if you monetized a picture of some random guy I'm not sure if that's legal, but there's no law attached to photographing people.
>>2719046
>Do people not realize that it's 100% legal to take pictures of whatever the fuck you want in public property?
No. They don't.
>>2719046
>Do people not realize that it's 100% legal to take pictures of whatever the fuck you want in public property?
There's a reason why we have to put instructions on shampoo bottles.
all these anons talking about how they do what they want without giving a fuck but no pictures to post...
>>2719204
>Invoking Jeff Foxworthy
You're on a whole new level of cringe.
>>2719214
Sorry fag, would you like me to post my pictures of some random intersection and basically nothing?
Because god forbid, having a photography discussion on a photography board would require also posting photos even without context.
Little shit, I hope someone pisses in your cereal.
>>2719277
>Jeff Foxworthy
literally who
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>>2719214
>all these anons talking about how they do what they want without giving a fuck but no pictures to post...
b-but I haven't posted in the thread yet and I don't like reposting images.
I take a lot of awful street photos and a lot of shit photos of people in public but I do it because it's fun. If I see an argument or a fight I'm more than happy to take a few pictures.
At the end of the day you'll get a couple of people who don't like it and start shit but usually it's filled with empty threats. These two threatened to "fuck me up" but just walked away in the end. I look at it as taking a photo of something interesting in a public place. What if you don't want your photo taken? Be less interesting.
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>>2719461
For some contrast to all the arguments and drama:
I just smiled at this guy after and he was happy that someone took his photo.
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>>2716126
personally, i think there's a large difference between taking a candid street photo and silently recording someone with a video camera 12 centimeters away from someone
>>2719658
There is a large difference between silently jerking off onto the back of unsuspecting people and raping someone, then forcing the to watch as you also rape everyone they love.
Get to the point you retard.
>>2719046
Some people want privacy. You're going up to someone and taking a photo of them without their permission, or without revealing your intent for the photo to them at all. Do you even realize how creepy that is? By reading the posts in this thread, one can surmise that the people who defend this are either internet edgelord "I have a camera so I can do anything I want" types or too autistic to realize the wrong in this. Take all the street photos of open areas all you want, but if you want a close-up with someone as a focal point, just ask. You'd be surprised at how many people are okay with this if you ask politely. I doubt most people would be ok with someone taking a photo of them, let alone not knowing there faces will be posted without their consent on an Anglo-Japonic file sharing website. Personally, I stay away from street photos because you don't know about the subject you're photographing. Could be a socially anxious agoraphobe, or a paranoid liberitarian who likes privacy, or someone under the witness protection program, or someone who doesn't like strangers silently taking their photo for no apparent reason. Then again, this is /p/, so that mentality of "I have a camera therefore fuck you" echochamber will persist. If you so desperately need a close-up on the street, get a friend or ask a willing stranger. No owes you anything because you're an amateur with a camera, so respect people's privacy.
>>2718848
I tape up my cameras mostly to stop gear fags from talking to me about brands.
>>2719671
>so respect people's privacy.
It's been established again and again in a court of law that you have no expectation of privacy in a public place.
>>2719421
Noob here what camera did you use to take this and if you did edit what did you use to edit it with?
>>2719791
>>2719046
maybe in Murrica, but laws in Europe are different. In Germany you can't even take pictures of buildings
>>2719671
> fucked, oversensitive, hyper-aware, special snowflake that feels entitled to walk in public and have the whole world respect whatever feelings you happen to have floating around in your skull. not respecting that is just "creepy"
don't go out in public if you can't handle being looked at, autistic waste of space.
>>2719421
what is happening in this
>>2719671
I'm sure that your landscape photos, snapshits, macro photos and photos of empty streets and building are very interesting. You do what you enjoy and hopefully what you do is legal. Other people do this and they enjoy it, it's also perfectly legal.
I have a bigger objection to the fact that I cannot walk more than 1 minute from my house before I am on video. If you want privacy, you should live innawoods.
>inhaled marijuanas
>with bro
>3rd world country
>drunk and high af
>lets go out take some pics
>k.jpg
>takin some shitty pics
>bro takes pics of two guys doing stupid shit . looks nice
>one of guys comes to us
>he is not from this country
>he asked us to delete pics
>speaks to us in english cuz no russian lang skills
>he said he lived in murica
>murcia
>rica
>ffs all americans dont like to be photographed
>new stereotype ;^)
>le meme is related and that whats all about
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>>2715225
Whenever possible I try to place a distant background behind my subject. The subject then thinks you're taking a picture of said background instead of them. It works for me.
My other trick is just walking fast and not stopping to take photos. I pace fast and bring the camera to my face at the last second or not at all
Having a small camera helps as well (people think you're a tourist instead of a pedo) but it's not essential
just press the button, guy.
damn guys, just grow a set and get close to people
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just go to a couple protests and take pictures, after getting knocked around by cops dealing with soccer moms is just kind of a nuisance
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>>2720624
fug resize
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>>2720500
fukken lol
>>2720626
its Chris Wreckless
>>2720500
Can we see the whole of your wall piece? I want to make my first book or wall thing soon
>>2720641
>wall thing
they're called "prints", brother.
>>2720645
individually yes, but what's the collective name for many of them with a similar themes or in a series? An installation? That sounds too professional for something that's going on my bedroom wall
How the fuck does this guy not get punched in the face on a regular basis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkIWW6vwrvM
>>2720653
Because he'd probably punch back. He's intimidating to look at and he's got a bit of an attitude. Chances are if someone's getting up in your face with a flash and a camera they probably aren't too timid
i feel bad for gilden. he has a really diverse body of work and all people know him for is his flash in the face stuff.
>>2720664
He is a damn good photographer, that's for sure. One of the best street shooters of all time
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>>2718390
It's true tho
>>2720665
I saw the video he did with Vice and he just came off as unabashedly pretentious.
>>2720653
I don't get the appeal of this kind of street photography. Hardly is there a good that comes from it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvMJZMZghI
ayy
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>>2720683
Except it's not.
You are just retarded.
P.S. I have never considered what do as 'Street'
The whole concept of that category is sort of remedial imo.
When some people say it it comes across a little like saying "I shoot things".
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>>2720771
It's okay eggy I like you. It's my fantasy that you'll happen to be in Melbourne if we have a meetup ;~;
>>2720771
>can't even resize without stretching
Retarded.
>>2720775
telecreep pls go.
no one likes you.
It has happened to me, but only in the place I least expected it.
In Venice (Italy) people are used to it, so I was surprised when a dude started screaming to me.
Funny thing is, the dude was completely fine with having his picture taken (I took a few of him), but as soon as I decided to take one of a father and his daughter docking a boat he started screaming, everyone got stressed and I didn't manage to take a nice one (the first and only one was badly timed) and so it was a shitty moment in an overall nice day.
Pic related (non edited raw to jpg).
I still do it, but it hasn't happened again.
Kinda related, there was also this one day walking on the street a photonewb snaped a picture of me walking, I was wearing a leather jacket that day and there was a sunset so I guess she found it aesthetic or whatever.
I looked back and noticed she was spilling spaghetti all over the floor so even though I wanted to see if the pic was alright, I just left.
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>>2720641
it was 2 houses ago in my old bedroom. I dont have a photo wall now, but I am going to make a black and white photo wall in my living room with all new photos.
sorry for shitty photo, its all I have.
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>>2720776
come to brisfagas
>>2720780
le lel
>>2720790
>no one likes you.
I'm not going to be able to hold all these memes soon.
>>2717845
what shoot your stealth street with? just the GR? any film cameras?
>>2721184
Porn arranged by your 13 year old sister....
>>2721250
but i dont have a 13yo sister?
>>2721248
I use a GR, started using an LX100. DSLR's are nice too.
>>2721190
god damn, look how yellow that faggots teeth are.
>>2720624
This would be a good photo if it was in focus.
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seriously tho, going up and saying "smile" works like all the time for any amateurs looking to try it.
>>2721248
There is this feature on GR series that you can recover the photos that you delete as long as you didn't turned off the camera. I found it to be pretty handy in ugly situation. If you're getting yelled at, approach them and delete the photos up in their face, recover it later. You get the photos that you want while stays civilised. Win!
On the other hand, has anyone been using Sigma's merrill for street shots? I'm very tempted to get one!
>>2722010
sigma is 2slow4street
>>2722012
Really? Is it for the action or the low light?
>>2722018
It's for the shutter delay, the lack of light, the focusing, the write speeds, the battery life, the no reason to have that much detail...
>>2722010
>There is this feature on GR series that you can recover the photos that you delete as long as you didn't turned off the camera.
waht
How do you enable it? This opens up a whole new world for me.
>>2722041
My bad, it is not until you turned off your camera, but rather until you haven't go out from the image preview menu
This how you do it:
- go to image selection
- delete photo/s
- (((do not back to shooting mode or do other stuff)))
- push the menu/ok button
- then there's the recover file option
It would worked out too on the scenario I mentioned earlier, you'll just have to be more careful with the buttons
for the note I'm using GXR with P10 unit. So, being the lesser premium one, I think the GR would also have this feature.
>>2722020
ah right your last point really got me thinking.....but the colours man....
>>2717849
This lol. When I first started shooting street the only thing that would calm my nerves was some weed and a fist full of good tunes.
>/p/etapixel comfirmed /p/haggots
http://petapixel.com/2015/12/15/these-2-street-photographers-deal-with-angry-people-in-very-different-ways/
I have a question concerning street photography, specifically using a DSLR with a 50mm f/1.8 - what sort of settings do you use to get shots of people walking past, in motion, and how to get zone focusing for these shots?
>>2722601
use the kit lens taped in a fixed focal lenght. ie. 28mm
>>2722611
Would it be better for me to use the stock lens and set it to 35mm?
>>2722611
>wat
what i said, fagget.
>>2722698
So your serious answer to "how do I zone focus with my 50mm lens" is "use a kit lens at a totally different focal length with tape on it"
And you feel so confident in that answer that you are also insulting me for questioning it.
>>2722702
>So your serious answer to "how do I zone focus with my 50mm lens" is
my serious answer is "you dont". as i said he should tape 28mm-35mm.. also f11, disable autofocus, set burst mode, prefocus at 1.5mt and be there.
>>2719421
Such a good ruined pic :'-(
My first time on /p/
You guys sound really obnoxious and arrogant. It's weird how you people think objecting to having your personal space violated is crazy
>>2720602
You ruined this photo
>>2722876
Crazy? no. But legally unfounded? yes. In public, you can be photographed. The end. Black and white.
>>2722882
The law does not dictate morality
>>2722884
Morality is entirely subjective.
>>2722876
You're filmed constantly in public, anyways...
You know I never go to /p/, I have no real interest in photography, and ended up here by boredom off the front page. Honestly I didnt even know you guys had a board. Yet reading this has completely convinced me you are all creepers.
It is one thing to take photos of public avenues, people going about their lives. It is entirely another to walk up and stick a camera in their face because 'lmao I has a camera'. If you cant tell the difference, you are clearly either A) extremely maladjusted and a societal outcast or B) far, far too used to whatever artistic hugbox you belong to. If you cant tell what is right and wrong based on etiquette, personal space and intent then you deserve the slap to the face / broken camera / ass kicking you will eventually receive when you do this on the wrong side of town or to a man who cant be assed to put up with your frankly childish bullshit.
>>2722898
>using the front page
>expecting their opinion to be taken seriously
back to facebook, mongoloid.
>>2722898
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>2722906
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>2722906
There's literally no argument to be made that hasn't been made a million times before. You're the special princess snowflake who comes in with his sophomoric opining and philistine understanding of art and begs to be taken seriously. If anyone among us is lacking an understanding of the world, it's you.
>>2722906
>the world and its workings
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>2722906
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>2722906
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>2715225
contrary to popular belief, taking photos of people you don't know without their permission is something only level 5 untouchables do.
it IS weird, and sooner or later someone will probably tell everyone at your local bar you're a creep or actually physically assault you.
>>2716456
are you for fucking real right now lol
>>2717849
yes, go around taking photos of strangers while you're high. that'll end well.
>>2722920
i AM the same guy and jesus christ you are a creep
also, samefagging only applies to someone who replies twice or more to the same comment pretending to be someone different.
so lurk more? or go away forever? i hope someone caves your head in the next time you go taking pictures of little kids.
>>2716456
Looks more like the dad was scared shitless that you were documenting child abuse or some shit like that.
>>2722925
>i hope someone caves your head in the next time you go taking pictures of little kids.
nice projection, fagtron
>>2722930
You don't understand what projecting means.
im not sure if im getting trolled or im the only sane person in the thread.
>>2722887
Yeah so let's get all up in people's shit cause it's legal xD
>>2716456
Nice autofocus, casuel
>>2722925
>i hope someone caves your head in the next time
edgy
