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Resources:
Murray Hallam’s Aquaponics: (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 [Embed] [Embed] )
-Aquaponics Secrets DVD
-Aquaponics Made Easy DVD
-DIY Aquaponics DVD (Aquaponics The First 12 Months And Aquaponics DIY DVD)
Backyard Aquaponics
https://kat.cr/backyard-aquaponics-t4385398.html
400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html
Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,
https://www.youtube.com/user/growingyourgreens
Ollas clay pot watering system,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNxACJ9vPI [Embed] [Embed]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKq5geEM-A [Embed] [Embed]
USA Time of Year Planting Guide,
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/what-to-plant-now-zl0z0903zalt.aspx
Food preservation,
http://nchfp.uga.edu/
https://kat.cr/complete-book-of-home-preserving-pdf-gooner-t10069401.html
https://kat.cr/canning-and-preserving-all-in-one-for-dummies-2011-mantesh-t5998098.html
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_49.pdf
Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):
https://kat.cr/usearch/Stamets/
Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)
http://www.motherearthnews.com/garden-planner/vegetable-garden-planner.aspx
Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
Aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32
>>790797
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx
US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml
Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx
Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com
Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html
A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm
Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/
Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/
Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php
Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org
Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html
Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc [Embed] [Embed]
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf
Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/
More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw [Embed] [Embed]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA [Embed] [Embed]
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics
Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps
You can't tell from the pic, but there are probably 175-200 chile plants in those beds. They should have been ~6" tall by now, but I had the weedpocalypse you see in the upper pic. The nice thing is, they wouldn't be producing until about August anyway, because average daily highs in July are high enough to halt fruit production in them, so I probably didn't lose as much as I thought.
It got that bad because we got double our average rain last year, and accordingly, double our average weed seed this year, and I've had to take care of my mother she had a major surgery.
Of course, I managed to get the time to do that on days that it was pushing record highs. One-oh-fucking-three degrees is what it hit at my house today.
Next up: Getting the grass out of the corn, then getting the creeping spurge out of everything, then the pigweed, lambs quarter, etc... I think I have a month's worth of weeding to do this weekend.
Bottle gourd popping up
>>790848
Have fun watching them grow
have a monthly wall update.
It's a big big potato mess now, two feet high potato-djungle! Hopefully there are some spuds down there as well, not just a bunch of green.
>>791032
I know how you feel. Keep the soil moist, that should help.
>>791032
isn't that overcrowded?
>>791051
>>791053
Yes I think it is overcrowded, here is what it looked at from start. I didn't think they would get so massive haha!
>>791053
>>791058
A lot of the time, what overcrowding means is that you get reduced yield per plant. If you go full retard with overcrowding all bets are off, but often, once you get to the optimum number of plants for a given space, going beyond that will reduce the yield per plant until you get the same amount of produce for the given square footage. Another way of putting it is, if one plant per square foot is optimum and will produce one pound per plant, planting two plants per square foot will produce 1/2 pound per plant, but still 1 pound per square foot. It's not exact, but it is a reasonable rule of thumb as long as you don't get stupid with your overcrowding.
>>791062
that makes a lot of sense, thank you!
>>791032
If the soil is too rich, there will be more top growth than bottom. That can be caused my too much fresh mulch that releases too much nitrogen.
r8 my garden.
>>791065
Like I say, use that as a rule of thumb. I wouldn't expect it to hold true if you tried planting 100 cornstalks per square foot, and if you're trying to optimize yield per square foot, you might find that planting a little less or a little more does give you slightly better results.
>>791083
very nice and tidy! I could go for one hell of a nap on that green grass on a sunny day!
>>791087
that's what I do almost daily.
>>791087
It's funny, but as a dog owner, when I see a lawn, taking a nap is not the first thing on my mind.
>>791090
I trained my dog to not piss on my lawn.
>>791083
doesitforfree/10
What is wrong with my Starfruit tree? It will grow vigorously but the sprouts and leaves inevitably yellow, dry up, and fall off so it never accomplishes anything and is now smaller than when I bought it 2 years ago. Its in well drained soil (gritty mix) and gets full sun, plenty of water, high humidity...
>>791173
Also have a mango that's not faring well... It's not really growing, but not dying too actively either...
Had one spurt where it grew new leaves but they were always more yellow or lighter green than the original leaves, and they're gotten a bit brown and dried out, plus the trunk and branches have sort of gray or blackish splotches but not too bad. Also every time it starts to get new buds they dry up and die before doing anything. When I had it inside over winter it started to grow a flower spike or whatever but that too dried out and died. It's in the same well draining soil but gets plenty of water, full sun, humidity, etc.
Could it be anthracnose or something? I've started treating it with a triple pesticide/fungicide/insecticide or whatever spray but haven't seen any change yet.
>>791011
>>791083
Very pretty!
>>791173
Trees in pots need to be water diligently every day. Looks like it's suffering from nutrient deficiencies. I'd go some emergency fertilization, get one high in N-P-K and another high is all trace minerals like iron, magnesium, zinc, etc, that kind of stuff. Try to add in compost to the soil as well to keep it fertilized lightly throughout the season.
Trees in pots are hard. I have a 3 year old mulberry tree I'm growing in a large container and it's a struggle to keep it alive and well. It hasn't produced any fruit yet. Maybe next year.
>>791176
Careful with all the pesticide fungicide spray - it can be harming your tree. I use a natural oil- Neem oil - for my pest problems. Its not harmful like commercial chemicals and helps coat the tree's leaves to prevent mildew or mold buildup. Its a win win.
>>791179
They've been getting plenty of water, until this week its rained every day for like the past month here (apparently it's been monsoon season here in TX) but with intermittent bright sun. Also been fertilizing periodically, I forget exactly what but I bought it like 2 years ago on the recommendation of a tropical fruit forum. I'm always kind of worried though because the gritty mix really has no organic material for the most part, it's just crushed granite, expanded clay, and pine bark fines.
I'm thinking about repotting, and adding peat moss and manure to the mix in hopes that it will be a richer soil. Good idea?
Also I've heard about chelated iron and magnesium or manganese or whatever other trace minerals could help the yellowing, but it seems like there are so many possibilities for why its happening...
Too much water or too little, too much sun or too little, too much wind, not enough humidity or too much, not enough nutrients or salt burn from too much... I just want my damn trees to be healthy and grow. Already lost a fig (fucking borers killed it) and a loquat (not sure on that one, hopefully it wasn't fireblight).
>>791181
It's supposed to be a safe organic spray but I dunno. Only been using it for about 4 days, supposed to do at least a week according to the directions, but I'll be careful and keep it to a light mist.
>>791196
Also both of the trees, kari starfruit and pickering mango are supposed to do will in pots, and the starfruit especially is supposed to be an extremely vigorous grower.
I've had both of these for 2 years they should be established and getting decently sized by now but instead the mango is about the same as when I got it and the starfruit about half its original size. ):
>>791200
I'd do a soil test (chemical PH and NPK, not those electric thingies.)
I'm also a fan of inspecting the roots and weighing the pots by hand when watering (very good with small pots) and/or testing the soil moisture by touch (in those big pots, almost shoving your whole hand down deep into the pot.)
>>791212
If I repot definitely going to inspect the roots and maybe prune any too big or thick to attempt to promote the smaller hairlike root growth. The moisture of the soil I usually dig down into a bit to test, hold moisture okay as long as I water it every 3-4 days.
As for the testing, can kits for that be had cheaply at home depot or somewhere?
I am curious about the PH of the soil, and also wonder about my tap water, might have toxic chemicals and salts, but I don't really have a good solution for that save from collecting rainwater but I'm limited in that since I have no where for large barrels, just small buckets.
>>791216
>As for the testing, can kits for that be had cheaply at home depot or somewhere?
Yeah, I use "Luster Leaf 1601 Rapitest Soil Test Kit", which is sufficiently accurate in my experience and you get enough capsules for 10 tests each with each package. I think they carry it at Home Depot, and it's also on Amazon(~$13 atm).
Usually you can also mail soil samples into your university/state agricultural soil testing department, and get a comprehensive analysis. Around here that's like $15 to $20 each.
Good luck with it. Gardening is fun even when it's not always going perfectly, in my opinion.
>>791196
I'd shop around and find a well-rounded trace minerals fertilizer. It can be hard to pinpoint which trace mineral it's deficient in, so just get one with a bit of everything. A boost in everything won't hurt.
Also, SOIL PH! How did i not think of this sooner? yeah, check that shit.
>>791224
>Usually you can also mail soil samples into your university/state agricultural soil testing department, and get a comprehensive analysis. Around here that's like $15 to $20 each.
That might be a better idea, I'm in university right now and have some friends in ecology come to think of it. Don't know why it never occurred to me to ask them before lol
>>791260
The fertilizer I have I think is just like a generic one, I'll look into finding something with more trace minerals
>>791196
> I'm always kind of worried though because the gritty mix really has no organic material for the most part, it's just crushed granite, expanded clay, and pine bark fines.
Well there's your problem
I'm reading all these PDF's
How did you guys get so good at gardening? I grew a watermelon, some tomatoes and peppers before by transplanting growing plants(or plants bursting from their pots) but I want to get even better.
I'm in South Texas if that helps. I just want to grow some friends :(
Also I want to make little homes for little froggies and eventually a pond for goldfish or Koi.
Lonely im sorry out
why are my Liatris like 3 times as tall as they usually are?
>>791607
They look normal to me and actually like they have more to grow before blooming and becoming 2-3 times taller.
Does anyone know what's wrong with my cucumber plant?
The leaves turn yellow and wilt.
I had 2 more plants but they showed the same symptoms and died shortly after.
>>791746
Post pic of soil?
>>791746
Plants need sunlight
>>791748
>>791566
Trial and error.
>>791566
Google whatever you're trying to grow, then do it
Are there any guides to growing pit fruits in the torrent? I've got ~150 apricots from my apricot tree this year and I'm wondering if anything can be done with the seeds.
Should I repot this peppermint? It's abobut 1 3/4 inches (3 cm) tall. The starter pot is abuot 3 inches deep.
>>791566
Do it. Cry a little. Fail better next year. My first year I couldn't get anything to grow because I would over water and then forget about the,. Or I'd have the seedlings getting displaces by my violent watering. I know more now and am still learning.
This is a Serrano pepper cutting
Is it possible it will grow root? Should I remove the flowers?
>>791961
always remove the flower, takes too much energy and stuff.
>>791971
don't insult me, young padawan.
>>791877
I'd wait until the roots are just coming out the base fellah. Gotta let the root system develop.
>>791961
I would haev put it in small pot with clear plastic bag over to encourage root. Rooting hormone optional. Could try honey. Goodspeed pepper guy.
>>792006
thanks for the tips senpai
>>792004
Thanks you. How to I transplant them? Martha says to just cut the surface roots that went around each wall but I'm not sure.
>>791961
I would remove flowers and flowers buds. Cut the terminal apex if you can, also.
I usually directly put them in light soil, well-watered. You can also gently remove a thin and short layer of "bark" at the bottom of the stem to encourage rooting.
>>791566
>tfw first year of somewhat serious gardening
>tfw it's been rainy and cold ever since March (all months below average temps and above-average rain, June looks to turn out the same)
>absolute contrast to last year which was dry and warm
Fuck that shit, got all my kohlrabi and brussels sprout seedlings eaten away (cabbage fly I guess), snails and slugs are eating 90% of my strawberries (they're in their first year so there's very little fruit to begin with, making them an easy target), bell peppers are barely growing (still tiny as fuck, they're partially flowering but I doubt I'll get any of them before it's getting too cold and dark for growth by October), weeds (especially shit like galinsoga) popping up everywhere...
Can just hope my tomatoes (those that aren't rain-protected) won't rot away ;_;
Only the carrots, radishes, onions and herbs (oregano, thyme, rosemary, bay laurel, sage) are doing quite well, parsley is struggling and basil notoriously slow because of the cold
tfw the melon you wanted to save seeds from is a hybrid
>>792059
i know that feel. None of my gourd seeds will germinate
>>792059
In the worst case it won't germinate, in the best case the fruits will not be true to the mother plant, so just experiment
>>792125
>in the best case the fruits will not be true to the mother plant
that's not how it works. If the fruit itself is a hybrid, that means the parent was a hybrid. The seeds which produced the hybrid would not be true to the parents, but seeds from a hybrid if they germinate at all unless were also cross polinated, thay'd be true to the hybrid parent.
>>792125
>>792125
who wants to see my backyard?
I like to take the flowers from my garden and put them in vases so I always have fresh flowers in the house
>>792240
These are from a Bush Idk what it's called
>>792021
Thanks for this senpai
What is the terminal apex?
>>792277
The little growing point at the top where the main stem of the plant tries to grow upward.
aka terminal bud
>>791566
Learn about companion-planting and apply simple permaculture principles.
>>792044
Sounds like your weather is perfect for allllll types of greens and cool loving crops.
>>791566
mission Tx. here. would you trade some seedlings or seeds.
My area has been getting an unusual amount of rain. Not flooding or anything, but a good amount of rain at least every other day.
Should I be concerned that the rainfall might over-water my plants? If so, is there anything that can be done against the rain?
/k/unt here. So I finally built my raised beds and I'm ready to transplant my squash and zucchini, they're budding at this point but I don't think they will have the root base or plant size to support produce. Should I nip the buds before transplant or will the plants grow to accommodate produce in time?
I haven't grown from seed ever before and I want produce by August (central Texas)
>>792393
Plain soil or garden bed? Is your soil well drained? Post a picture if you can.
All in all for a few days of rain I wouldn't care. If there's a lot of rain and if the soil tends to be clogged, a thing you can do BEFORE planting in plain soil is putting a holed pipe (connected to an evacuation point) under gravel, under said soil which you would have alleviated.
Or pic related
>>792414
Just my regular yard soil. I planted some potato eyes that sprouted in my pantry.
I'll take a picture tomorrow, if I can.
>>792414
(I mean : gravel underneath and above pipe)
>>792284
Good to know
>>792437
You work a lot on it without knowing it (by example if you're topping). For cuttings, it's a good idea to remove it to favour roots production rather than stem growth
>>791083
Is that basil in the foreground? If it is its fucking hueg, make some pesto or something m8
>>792618
no that's a huge Hypericum perforatum.
my basil is so small I had to search for it last time I needed it.
>>792015
You shouldn't need to disturb the root unless it has become potbound. (left in so long that the pot is solid with roots)
If it is though I would do as Martha suggests. I wouldn't worry though. Mint is a tough kant.
>>792237
Show me what you got.
>>792410
I wouldn't worry about pinching out buds. Squash are fast growing given rich deep soil and plenty of water and so will quickly form enough root. I would however pinch out male flowers once they start producing them.
>>791961
in response to >>792021 i would not shave anything off. i'm propagating hops right now and the part that i scraped off didnt do anything. see pic. beginning garden pic dump./
>>792768
trying to regrow the forest. this is an incense cedar.
>>792772
not very informative pic, but it's pretty. this is my hops.
>>792776
>growing weeds
why
>>792782
>>792784
>>792780
for beer....?
i dont know where it is that you live where hops grow naturally, but thats cool..
this is what i call a hugging bean.
>>792793
i dont really do any kind of weed control as you can see here. i cut it all down when i planted, i till around where im planting and i pull crap out when it gets big. but that about it.
>>792793
it used to be cultivated for beer, but I'm pretty sure it's an indigenous plant as well.
>images are dark because it's past 10PM and I don't want to use flash.
>>792784
At least it's not red bryony, that shit will even climb fucking climbers in record speed, stinks and is toxic
Pic is a nearby cherry tree with ivy climbing up, and on top of that ivy is the bryony. That shit usually sprouts mid-April and had reached about 4-5m already last week, so it got there in less than 2 months
Needless to say it also regularly comes up my ~20m long, ~2.50m tall ivy-covered wood panel fence from the neighbours' side who don't care to remove it, so every once in a while I sneak over to pull that shit
Last year I wasn't careful enough and it latched from the ivy over to a nearby small (4m) Robinia tree and grew all the way to its top
But what can you expect from the only native pumpkin family species, it's sure repping its clan
>>792799
aw fuck looks like we're going to be next.
>>792797
>used to be cultivated for beer
it still is..
or do you mean the buses at your house specifically?
pic is seedlings acclimating to outdoors before they go in the ground.
>>792802
Yeah it seems to prefer sub-Mediterranean climate, so being on the Upper Rhine it is extremely ubiquitous locally, can't walk the fields more than a few dozen meters to see at least one specimen if you look close enough
Gotta act fast though once it pops up, as it quickly forms a very hard to remove turnip which is a major pain in the ass to remove from below hedges or fences (I'm kinda wary of paintbrushing them with glyphosate, fearing damage to said hedges), also you don't wanna let it self seed out, a single plant makes thousands of fruits which then will regularly pop up over the next spring/summer in a big radius
>>792813
there aren't a whole lot of commercial growers left here, they all went to germany.
those are all wild hops, was thinking about harvesting them this year and brewing my own beer.
>>792768
Yeah, it's not that obligatory to cut buds, even less on hops which propagates well by cuttings. Though in my experience it does increase chances of rooting on most plants
>>792802
>>792799
>>792815
thats shitty. cant even eat it. i have a bush in my yard (you can see it behind the hops here >>792776 ) it doesnt climb it just spreads like ground cover. it will sometimes have new sprouts coming up 1-2 feet from the main bush.
>>792825
>almost vertical sun
Whereabouts? Florida, Texas, Mexico?
>>792815
it tends to grow in dry soil right?
>>792828
4000ft elevation on the lower end of the sierras in CA actually
>>792831
It seems to somewhat prefer locally warm places such as south-facing walls, hedges and fences but can grow pretty much everywhere in my area. But yeah it seems to tend to more dry places, now that I think about it grows a lot in the vicinity of the village (we are on a south-facing slope of a little hill so water drains really well plus potential evaporation outweighs precipitation on average from March to October), but not as much in the valley where the nearby stream flows, but I'll take a closer look next time I walk my doges there (there's small garden allotments near that stream too which in general are a preferred place further uphill)
>>792833
Do you have to actively water your stuff like hops? If so then yeah they probably won't become invasive
>>792837
then I should be safe, the soil is so waterlogged here it'll get choked out by dryopteris and alnus.
>>792837
i have to actively water everything. theres that one bush i mentioned that never gets watered, but it's right next to my well and i think it taps the water table. but summers here get hot and dry, winters freeze and snow. i know hops go dormant for the winter and im anxious to see how these hold up for next summer.
do you not harvest the hops that grow on your property?
fucking shit tomatoes. these have been in thr ground for almost 3 weeks now and have barely changed.
>>792843
my tomatoes are almost a metre tall now.
>>792843
I have no hops on mine, or at least not that I ever noticed (I'm the guy with the bryony)
But from distribution maps it appears to grow well into Siberia where it gets like -40 in winter, so that shouldn't be a worry for you I guess
>>792850
where did you get that map?
growing broccali this year to see what its like.,
Is this /diy/ trolling or legit
>>792856
It was linked on the German wiki, but the site it's on is actually Swedish
http://linnaeus.nrm.se/flora/
Simply enter the Latin name, find your species, click it and then click on they symbol that says "Norra halvklotet" to get a map, but IIRC it's mostly limited to species that also grow in Scandinavia, so you won't find olives or palms on there
>>792843
Mine are doing surprisingly well despite the eternal cold/rain wave
But being at 50°N, the sun gets very weak very quick once autumn equinox rolls around, so by around mid-October the growth really slows down to almost halt, and by early to mid November the first light frosts usually roll around (but I think they mostly die from the wet conditions during that time which enable Phytophthora infestans, so not the cold per se)
>>792856
Also all my Brassicas have been eaten way in seedling stage, I blame the wet weather
So I have this grape vine that's been growing along a wooden arch thingie for quite a while now.
Now it's very close to the balcony and I want to somehow extend the vine and have it grow to the left (on pic) along said balcony (goes for about 8m) but also a side shoot towards the house ("into" the picture, ~1m).
I connected the corner of the balcony with the wooden arch with some rubber-coated metal thread a few weeks ago and let one particular new shoot grow alongside it, and now it has reached the balcony.
So how to progress next?
- Should I cut off the growth tips and get 2 side shoots that way, or is it faster to just bend the shoot left some way and wait for a side shoot for the shorter side?
- What's the best way of fastening the shoot to the balcony that I want to go left?
>>792862
Vertically growing potatoes is legit, I I don't know about that setup and taking those boards off though.
>>792784
That must smell awesome/terrible when it goes to bud. Is it amazing? i imagine it would be amazing. You must sleep like a baby.
What are good plants to grow in North Florida? (climate zone 8b)
Long, hot summers with tons of rain and sun, winter has a couple dozen nights a year with below freezing temperatures.
>>793013
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vh021
(the tables near the bottom, also a gardening basics general publication)
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/VH/VH02100.pdf
Same one in PDF format below, and you can probably also go to your local courthouse's ag extension office for free paper copies of it.
Sorry if this is outside the topic of this thread but what the hell is this?
It was growing in place of my plum tree that got crushed by a fallen knobcone pine and in winter produced pink blossoms like some plums would but the leaves look different from the plum tree that used to be there.
Here is where the old plum tree used to be and a closer look at the leaves.
I cut some branches so I can dry the leaves and mix them into my soil.
Should I break the whole branches and put it all into the soil, or should I make an effort to separate the dead leaves and use just those?
>>792996
it smells like weed.
What causes this shitty uneven growth? Same thing happened when I grew radishes in the same soil
I bought some seed packets.
Is it better to just put the seeds right in the dirt, or to soak them in water until they germinate and then put them in the dirt?
>>793305
Walls your bed are too high for the amount of soil you have, so it might be blocking sunlight during certain parts of the day.
Also looks pretty overcrowded in there.
>>793155
Previous tree was most likely grafted on a different Prunus which now shoots out
>>793318
Some stuff like carrots is hard to impossible to replant so must be direct sown
Also depends on the weather (I guess it's summer in your place too so should work)
Small seedlings are very prone to pests though which I had to unfortunately find out
>>793242
Have you ever done weed?
>>793318
Imo, buy a seedstarter for 5 bucks then let those things grow and get roots then plant them in your garden. Otherwise you garden is just gonna eat up seeds and have them pop up at weird times. Pic related is my seed starter I bought last night. The pots have holes in the bottom for roots and are biodegradable. There is a way tray underneath so they never go too dry and even lid if I want to greenhouse them.
What are the benefits of greenhousing? Does everything benefit from it?
I'm growing swiss chard, congo watermelon, okra, oregano, chives, and sage.
>>793327
This is true but don't rip them up I found out. My basils got torn the fuck up but they bounced back more or less and the tops are pretty and green. Still gonna buy some ladybugs next year. And whatever eats caterpillars.
>>792756
>>792756
>>793446
>>793399
>What are the benefits of greenhousing? Does everything benefit from it?
If you live in a short growing season climate, then you can start earlier and end later. You can grow some cool crops, likebrassicas, without any need for a greenhouse. But you can set your hot stuff out (peppers, toms, eggplant, okra, etc) when your soil is warm, and they are already a foot tall. More vegetative growth = more fruit.
>>793446
its a glitch in the matrix m8 !!
>>791339
No organics but I do fertilize them. The gritty mix is supposed to be great for trees and such grown longterm in containers because ti stays aerated and doesn't compact down, plus it's well draining. I guess I could have posted same place I read about the gritty mix but the garden web forums have gone to shit since houzz bought them.
>>793457
gritty mixes are great for bonsai.
they're not so great for anything larger than that.
ELEVEN FUCKING DEGREES and yet another thunderstorm right now (5:50pm here), probably the 20th or so in the last few weeks, this time with hail (bye bye tomatoes I fear), seriously fuck that shit
It was literally warmer and sunnier on Christmas
>>791566
>soil
buy cow and chicken crap its cheap. if you want something better buy miracle grow
>seeds
first time gardening, dont try and start from seed. buy little plants from home depot or lowes or whatever. buy double/triple what you need and expect some to die
>water
wake up, drink coffee, water plants. build a routine.
>location
when in doubt, plant in full sun. always in full sun. you can always build a roof, but you can give more sun if its not there.
>>791746
i say it's a couple things.
1. pot isnt big enough. minimum i would use for cucumbers is a 5 gallon bucket.
2. what time of day is it in that pic? they need full sun, like a good 10 hours of sun.
3. when a leaf starts dying, pull that shit off as close to the stem as possible.
>>793462
I'm started to wonder if that isn't true.
If I do change out the potting mix I suppose the gritty mix would be about right for all the pineapples and shit I have around in water right now lol. Some of them are going on 3 years in a can of water. :/
>>793464
Doesn't look barely as intense in the vid as it actually was
>>793457
I'm the person you were replying to.
I'm sceptical about possibilities of growing long term in such a soil. Why did you choose it in the first place? (Legit question, not an accusation). Did you want it to look like hydroponic?
A more organic soil wouldn't need you to fertilize so often (by example, I almost never do, and when I do it's just fresh compost on surface)
>>793476
You know I'm not really sure anymore. When I bought the trees I had been spending a lot of time in the container forum at garden web and everyone was all about Al's Gritty Mix, and there were tons of examples of nice trees in it, especially tropicals like mangos. Also I guess I was confused about soils and such and it seemed like a good answer... Soil I used for a fig tree previously basically turned to mud.
I guess I was just trying to do everything right since I wanted to make sure my little trees prospered, but maybe it ended up being unnecessarily complicated.
>>792863
What are those empty buckets in the ground for? For unwanted animals to get caught and fall into?
>>793399
Hr can just take egg cartons
>>793446
Why put the foliage there?
>>793482
>I plant most of the trees I collect in cocopeat.
Yeah I think I'm going to repot in a primarily peat mixture. I have a white bird of paradise that's actually in pure peat moss, with nothing else, and it's going fantastically well, though I have to water it often since it drains so quickly.
What would be best to mix with? Peat and some manure? I want to keep the soil light and fluffy but some water retention would be nice.
Actually now that I google it it's probably cocopeat in my bird of paradise, not peat moss.
>>793478
Well, I think it's a good thing that you tried to know more about what is necessary for your plants.
Usually you want structure, drainage, and food. For most of my plants it's simple : fertile ground, "garden" soil (to bring some clay), peat, some sand or perlite and compost. (Also, since it's in pots, expansed clay marbles in the drilled bottom for good drainage)
It seems to me you only got structure/drainage in your mix... You can try to mix compost and some peat (not to much) with it, see what it does on your next pots, or try to find more equilibrated potting soil?
Also >>793486 I'm dubious about pure peat, it goes well for a time but then plants go hungry. Plus it tends to extra-retract between waterings.
>>793482
Yeah, I know this for bonsai - and it's one of the reasons I don't grow any (I like my plants to live their life without me caring "every day" for their food)
>>793481
Watering without spraying the leaves, water hitting the ground and then spraying back on the leaves is the prime way to infect the plants with Phytophthora infestans
Also like I said previous thread I also have them on my strawberries to prevent wet soil for snails/slugs to creep on which unfortunately is a moot point so far with the nasty weather, still get most of them gnatted on.
Never found any dead stuff in there, but I'd actually love to see snails rekt in them
>>793487
>I'm dubious about pure peat, it goes well for a time but then plants go hungry. Plus it tends to extra-retract between waterings.
Yeah that one I got well before any of the others and I focused too much on the mantra of "well drained" lol. It seems to do okay, but then I believe the bird of paradise is similar to bromeliads in that it doesn't really need soil so much, as long as I fertilize it every now and then. Though desu my bromeliads all do best with no fertilizer and basically pure peat. Strange plants.... But I love them.
>>793483
Where do you live? My eggs don't come in that .
>>793449
Thanks famalam. So it's too late to worry about that this year since its june already and the sun is burning hot errday.
>>793483
Did the rosemary actually work out? I only ever clone mine via cutting which goes super fast, first ones (pic related) got roots in 10 days (or less since the roots were already a couple cm long upon checking) without hormones, just potting soil
Are there any plants I can water with nothing but (diluted) urine? Something that tolerates very high N and P I reckon
>>793482
>cocopeat
god i hate peat post. and any biodegradable pots. ive never been able to get them to work right, they fall apart, just fuck that. what ever works for you though. i just wanted to voice my hate for peat.
>>793483
i tried starting in egg cartons once. it was too shallow and my seedlings fell over and uprooted themselves. yours looks a bit deeper though.
i put my hops cutting in soil today. i put 2 more clippings in the water. if this works, im just going to grow like 100 hops plants all over the place. im ordering cascade hops and magnum hops as well because those are what is used in lagunitas and sierra nevada.
>>793484
Which foliage?
The foliage to the left of the garden, right behind the wheelbarrow, is raspberries.
>>793573
...and now the ones from September look pretty much all like this, 7 out of 10 cuttings survived the indoor winter, 3 succumbed to fungus gnats (I think) some time around Jan/Feb
>>793486
cocohusk and perlite keep soil from packing down and retain moisture.
or orchid bark if you're unable to find cocohusk.
>>793487
I keep most of my pre-bonsai in cocopeat.
but I sell them as soon as they're 'done'
>>793578
as soon as they start falling apart you're supposed to put them in your garden I think.
>>793592
OH SHIT now after reviewing the pic I see yet another fucking bryony lurking in the background, gotta pick my phone light (too dark now) and pull that biatch before I forget about it
look at this shit/
>>793613
it almost looks decent now.
>>793607
DIE! DIE! DIE!
Are there any good books or YouTube channels that offer a good introduction for newbies like me into farming/gardening. Always been interested but never had anyone growing up to teach me.
>>793617
the only channel I like is https://www.youtube.com/user/Icatizp/
>>793615
That seems a little like excessive force to me.
>>793617
IMO the best approach is "learning by doing" and not crowd your head too much with theory.
I'd literally just start off with putting a plant in your ground and watch what it does, then go on to start stuff from seeds (simply read the instructions on the back of the pack) and in any choose something that grows well in your area, doesn't need too much maintenance and isn't prone to "special wishes" and diseases
Then, only when issues arise, google them, or post here or elsewhere
That's pretty much how I do it as I'm also still relatively new to the whole thing
>>793626
There is no "too excessive" when it comes to dealing with Cucurbitaceae
(/r/ing that gif of the man-eating pumpkin)
>>793629
isn't B. dioica closer to cucumbers than it is to pumpkins?
>>793617
My gran and then my dad always used to maintain a garden. It's been years since dad replanted his, but the general theory is just put shit in the ground, water it, weed it and try not to let shit die as far as I can tell.
>>793631
I don't have the phylogeny of the family in my head
Wikipedia only says all 3 are in different tribes of the same subfamily (Cucurbitoideae)
From this pic it appears that pumpkins and cucumbers (in the bottom 2 tribes respictively) are closer to each other than any is to the bryony (which is in a bit more basal clade), so from the POV of the bryony they both are equidistant
>>793640
Cucurbitaceae as a whole is called the 'cucumber family' here, hence why I asked.
>>793641
Yeah well, here it's "Kürbisgewächse" (literally "pumpkin growths"), noticed that despite extremely similar languages otherwise, your generic names for plant genera/families/orders seem to differ much more often
>>793668
generic german plant names sound like diseases.
>>793674
They often have shorter names in common speech, no one would for example call chickweed "Gewöhnliche Vogelmiere" in general speech, but some shorter names that vary locally, here for example it's just "Meier"
>>793681
I'm pretty sure most people would just call it unkraut while simultaneously ripping it out of the ground.
>>793689
I guess so for most, but here in the countryside there's still a lot of farmers (like my grandparents) who can tell different weeds apart (of course not knowing the Latin names, which family etc etc though)
>>793686
dutch plant names aren't very descriptive.
we call Thunbergia 'suzanne with the nice eyes'
Leycesteria is 'grandmother's earlobes'
Clinopodium is 'mountain woman mantle'
Tolmiea is 'child on mothers lap'
I could go on.
>>793697
Well we of course have such examples too
>Tolmiea
"Henne mit Küken", "hen with chicken"
>>793698
the only common plant with a descriptive name I can think of is the brandnetel.
all others are just shit like 'weegbree' 'ridderzuring' 'heermoes' 'pispot'
the latter might be accurate because it's a shit plant.
>>793710
>brandnetel
Come to think of it it's weird that we are the only ones apparently who also name the gympie plant "Australische Brennnessel" even though it's only remotely related to our native ones, all other non-English languages only appear to have the scientific name for it. But then again it does kinda make sense, it's somehow acting like a nettle (just worse) and is in Australia
I went and did it, Homegrowmen
I went and built myself a hydroponic greenhouse!
Well, me and some friends for a startup project but the idea is the same anyway
Pictured are the plants I have seeding right now, and they've been growing about two weeks.
My question is, am I too late? We lost our first batch of seedlings due to mold so I'm not sure how this will effect our growing season.
more pics of the setup if there's interest
>>793446
10/10 for plastic mulch.
Raspberry looks untidy but functional.
Bretty good for an internet autist.
How to improve plants?
Parsley, green onion and basil.
>>793778
Too shady and/or overwatered?
How to protect corn? I can live with critters nibbling on my greens but they have been ruthless with attacking my stalks so far.
>>793740
If you only knew...
Do you guys have any experience with farmer markets? Growing my own produce and have been considering going to sell some.
>>793799
Electric fence. Literally. Do you have raccoons in your area?
Has anyone here ever grown dwarf tamarillo (Solanum abutiloides) before? I'm having a hard time finding good info on this plant.
If so, how did it taste? Did it fruit in the first year after seeding it?
Maybe I'll get lucky and there'll be one Argentinian lurking.
I'm growing red potatoes and I've noticed today that there's tiny holes in the leaves and I found a few tiny black bugs. Are these potato bugs? How do I fix this.
>>793845
Probably aphids or flea beetles.
>>793848
>flea beetles
I'm guessing flea beetles because they jumped when I disturbed them. I'll do my own research to make sure that's what it is, but do you have any suggestions on controlling them or is it too late?
>>793845
Sounds like flea beetles. They pop up during hot & dry spells. They avoid shaded areas as well as moist areas.
They mostly predate young plants and ignore mature plants.
Irrigate your potatoes to help cope with the feeding stress. Floating row cover can help, but is a deterrent and doesn't protect actively infested plants.
>>793723
What zone are you? Won't know if your late if we don't know when it gets cold in your area.
>>793872
fair point.
I'm in Toronto, so zone 5 or 6 for us
Pretty particular question, I live in Southern California and a year and a half ago I planted a drough tolerant garden in the backyard. I'm trying to be as natural as possible, so I was wondering if you guys think the garden would make it with no water at all through the summer?
>>793882
Just plant some crops for the fall, you should get some
>>793882
sup fag, i'm in Oakville
I work York and Adelaide though
>>793883
Mulch well, bury wood/rotting wood inthe soil, and grow low canopy plants beside high canopy plants. You could also grow plants like Amaranth that dont mind drier conditions.
>>793799
Grow more? So there's enough for everybody. Troublesome to get rid of / prevent critters
>>793778
Keep some old urine around and dilute 1:5 or 1:10 and then top-water once in awhile. Or compost-tea if you can
>>793911
Thanks for the suggestions man
>>793883
straw keeps moisture from evaporating. cover the ground with straw or hay after it rains. a little permaculture tactic
>>793710
We have nice names for mushrooms though
>>794116
'Afgeplatte stuifzwam'
'Boomwrat'
'Spikkelsteelveldridderzwam'
'Elzekatjes mummiekelkje'
'Slijmwasplaat'
'Violetvlekkende moerasmelkzwam'
no we don't.
>>791961
It will root but it will probably take a month or more. Take one of the leaves and all of the flowers to encourage it to focus on root growth. Put it in something smaller like a water bottle or one of those plastic sauce container you can get with take out. Put in a bright window or and cover up the thing it's in with foil leaving the portion of stem and leaves above the water exposed to light because roots hate light.Change the water often and make sure it doesn't get too low. Put it in soil when it has a few roots.
>>794131
Just because you can't pronounce them doesn't mean they aren't nice, you autist.
>>794144
Those are the Dutch names. Buggy is Dutch.
>>793858
>flea beetles
I've always wondered what the hell these things eat when there's no potatoes around. Because when there are potatoes they are COVERED in flea beetles.
They also eat all the potatoes leaves, not just one type of another or different age. They are a plague where I live.
>>794189
Everything I read said there's no way to keep them away. Just pest control until the plants are old enough to handle it.
>>793488
>Watering without spraying the leaves
I don't get it. What's their purpose then? It's just a long empty bucket in a hole in the ground next to plants
>>793590
To the right of course. The foliage there. Why?
>>793543
Germany
>>793573
>Did the rosemary actually work out?
No, it's tiny. Dunno if it just needs a lot of time.
>>793578
Yeah they seem fine. Good luck with your project
>>793592
Looking good. I guess I will never be able to grow a respectable rosemary plant on a balcony
>>791026
SLEEP TIGHT MELLER
>>794253
It has holes in the bottom of course
hello everyone first time trying to grow here, just some small herbs in pots. not sure where to look in the information wealthy OP sorry for asking
how do i encourage them to stay tiny. the thyme from the grocery store is small and dense with leaves but my little guys are trying to grow way too tall and leaves are like 1" apart
>>794319
More light, more light, more light
Also wind if you can
>>794319
Yea, needs more light, your plants are literally trying to reach for more light
Just snipped some cuttings from a friend's lemon and orange trees. The frankentree experiment has begun.
>>794349
Yeah, I'm sure it's going to go exactly as planned.
>>794290
Hmmm. So it's basically like pic related? Do you just pour water in those buckets? They seem too far away from the plants to distribute the water enough and evenly
>>794353
It is like an open air Ollas pot. Like in the OP link.
>>794352
I bet those would make delicious juice.
What grows well in the desert? Is are there grasses that aren't water intensive?
>>794391
Cactii.
>>794189
I know that feel.
In my region, it's extremely challenging to grow eggplant because of these lil' fuckers. They defoliate them to mere twigs in a matter of days.
They usually take a bite out of all my plants from the Solanaceae family. Except for tomatoes.
>>794391
I'm kind of in the desert (zone 10) and I grow everything
>>794189
Holy shit. I've never seen anything like that.
Anyone remember the Pachira I hard-pruned back in March (let only one stem stand, no leaves)?
Coming back now vigorously
>>794353
Tomatoes have huge roots, plus water disperses around there well enough (it's heavy clay soil so it doesn't just drain away to the bottom but rather spreads to the sides), they stood the test during last year's extremely dry summer when I watered them that way too
>>794452
Cute ladybug.
>>794391
Cynodon dactylon is from dry tropical areas but invasive here (German Rhineland, grows on sandy areas too), does best in very hot weather and seems to be very adaptive, but please don't introduce it to your area if you don't already have it yet, might even be illegal
>>794454
Heh, just some deco that came with the plant years ago
>>794455
I don't own the property I would like to grow on nor would I want to introduce something harmful to the region (American Southwest).
My peppers are finally starting to produce! I live in zone 7b so it's going to be 4 straight months of continuous production. This is the Thai plant.
Dragon Cayenne.
Jalapeno.
This is my first year growing Habaneros. I got this starter from Bonnie plants. Does it look like it's growing true or did I get some kind of hybrid?
>>794439
Yup, same thing here.
>>794507
Cute firefly. Your pepper looks like some sort of deformed mutant fruit from Fallout, though.
>>794501
>>794504
>>794505
>>794507
>tfw the growing season is just underway in your area
>>794501
Kek, shows how zones alone mean nothing when it comes to annuals.
I'm in 8a but rather oceanic, so while we have mild winters we also have cool summers
My bell peppers ('California Wonder') I started from seed indoors already mid-March and planted out early May are still tiny as fuck (pictured are 6 out of the ca. 20 total), I doubt they'll even produce anything before it gets too cold and dark here by around October
Has been an unusually cold and rainy spring/early summer so far though
>>794512
I live in Memphis so the growing season is very good for peppers and tomatoes.
Is common grass able to choke out other plants?
I'm making a patch of my yard into a small garden, and I'm wondering if the plants will do fine with just a small circle of barren dirt around them, or if I need to destroy all the grass inside the patch.
Red Bell
Hello, old friends...
Orange Bell
these are very expensive in the store so im excited about the yield so far
no tomatoes yet
>>794517
Just keep the grass trimmed and your plants will do fine.
>>794515
My tomatoes seem to ignore the nasty weather so far, growing like crazy. Also first time growing bottle tomatoes (San Marzano, partially started them indoors in December already),fruits are still small and green but already in their distinctive shape
Same plant, different pepper. Habanero or something else? Or too early to tell?
Any BRs have any luck growing jabuticaba?
What edible plants/fruits are actually better grown/cheaper to grow yourself?
>>794524
Trimmed as in length, or trimmed as in pull out the grass that gets near the plants?
