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So I'm likely to be moving out of my apartment soon ( hopoefully not into another apartment ) and am thinking of getting a small service dog ( pic related; some farmers near me bread them on the side ) and was thinking it would also be cool to double the dog for tracking. Is there a way I can do this on my own or should I try finding classes? If so, how do I find reputable classes for dog training? Do you have any experiences or advice with your dog that might help somebody in the process of obtaining and training a service/out/ dog?
Doxens are shitty pets. They are one of the most aggressive breeds, constantly bark, and are expensive to take care of because of back issues. My Uncle had 2.
>>707095
You and I have had very different experiences with the breed then. I've only ( from memory ) seen a Badger-dog seen a badger-dog attack once: Yesterday when my four YO nephew stepped on one's paw and then tried to approach the dog after it had backed away to "lick its wound."
I won't deny that they can develop back problems and I'm open to other dog options as long as they are small dogs. it just so happens that these dogs are pure-blood, locally bred and affordable; my mother's neighbor bought a long-haired male RotL from them for under $400 and a female a few years before/after for the same price.
If you have better recommendations feel free to share.
>>707090
If you want a small /out/ dog, get a terrier of some kind. Rat Terrier, Jack Russel or Border Terriers are all GOAT.
If you want a tracking dog, you need a scenthound though, and not many of them are small http://www.mans-best-friend.org.uk/scenthounds.htm
>>707095
Ditto in this, OP. They're also greedy little fucks and tend to get overweight real quick. If you need a smaller dog why not a Scottish or West Highland terrier? Scottish are great and Westies are crazy but also great.
>>707107
Beagles are good small scenthounds. I had a beagle growing up and it was a great tracker, mainly hunted rabbits with him but he also helped trail deer and hogs when I shot one that ended up running off a ways.
I have a rat terrier now and he's a good dog, great temperament and an excellent squirrel dog but he'll never be a tracker.
>>707090
>dachshund
>wanting mutant
Best small /out/ dog is Västgötaspets(Swedish vallhund.)
They're really healthy, pretty easy to train, love being outdoors, and best of all look like wolf-corgis. Don't get them if you live somewhere too warm.
>>707189
>>707193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6STAFb26zo
>>707090
>good for /out/
pic is the car version of that dog.
![Vizsla_standing_Rosie_harness[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AUujunK.jpg "Vizsla_standing_Rosie_harness[1].jpg")
Vizsla
They can always keep up with you, and then they want to snuggle.
Alpenländische dachsbracke is the smallest of german scenthounds I think. Great puppers overall.
>>707106
>pure-blood
not that guy, but that's the issue
purebreds are almost guaranteed to have some sort of issue, because the gene pool breeders have to pick from is so small. Labs have hip/eye problems, dachshunds have weight problems that exacerbate their back problems, and don't even get me started on "smushed face" breeds like pugs that can only be delivered via cesarean or beagles that can't fuck in the first place. pretty much 100% of small breed dogs have awful teeth by the time they're a few years old if they aren't cleaned regularly
>better recommendations feel free to share.
go to your local animal shelter and look for a mix of a dachshund/something else. it will have far less genetic issues than a purebred, and you can keep dental issues at bay with semiannual cleanings at a vet.
>>707206
I owned two of them and my friend bred them. They were like their own little pack. Stubborn, and not as impressed with human approval as other breeds or as inherently submissive, but very loyal once you earned their trust. Some people make them out to be unruly, which I suppose they would become if you didn't give them enough attention.
Basically if you're the type of person who is more inclined to look at your dog as a friend rather than a pet, owning a dachshund will probably work out well. If you just want a dog to guard the house and don't want to hear from him otherwise, then probably not a good breed to choose.
>>707090
If you want an /out/ companion and you're decided on a breeder, you need to make sure the dog is healthy. Being healthy is more than being alive and walking. Breeders often have little regard for the animals they are creating on a genetic health stand point. If you wanted a dachshund for example, they are known for crippling issues that could have them out of commission before they can ever get /out/. Read up on breed specific ailments and make sure that the breeder health tests their breeding dogs as adults, and do tests routinely. For the weenie dog breed, you are actually going to have to look for what is called the working line. Any show or pet line has been structurally fucked by kennel club standards. The issues with Woking lines for these dogs is they tend to be much higher energy and need an outlet for that energy daily, and also have a very high prey drive.
>>707215
>They want to snuggle
Yeah... not really a good criteria choice there
>Dogfucker
What is a good /out/ dog breed for someone who is away from home 5-6 hours a day? I know some breeds of doggo need lots of attention or else they get reckless and destructive
>>707846
my golden retriever is pretty relaxed and sleeps when alone, never wrecks stuff
in my observation they are calmer than Labradors
their high prey drive is really annoying though
aside the breed there is still an individual character and no guarantee for a specific behavior
Bernese mountain dogs, bassets and bulldogs are said to be low energy
>>707189
>>707193
OH MY GODDD THAT IS THE CUTEST FUCKING DOG I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY FUCKING LIFE I CAN'T DEAL JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUUUCCCKKKKKK
>>708066
I rented the top floor of a house once where the family below had a bernese mountain dog. Whenever they left In the morning it would let out the most soul crushing howl an hour later. Like clockwork.
I think that dog died a little every day.
Wasn't destructive and it's really the couch that matters you know
>>708066
Bulldogs and pet/show bassets would not be able to handle a decent length walk, let alone a hike or most /out/ activities. In this case they simply are structurally unsound for it.
>>707215
I love mine, she is a sweetheart, but high maintenance.
>>707090
This should tell you all you need to know about why that is a poor choice for an /out/ dog.
>>708199
Not all sausage dogs look like that. Mine is not my choice but it is what I've got. It has proper legs and it can move.
>>707090
Sausage dogs are hard to train. They do as they like and you can't break them like every other dog. If you try conventional dog training tricks you end up with a fucked up dog that hates you. The only way to work with sausage dogs is to give them some space and at the same time teach them who is in charge and how they should behave in certain situations. A submissive sausage dog is a sick and tortured animal. The normal slave-master thing does not work. He/she is a lieutentant and you're the captain.
>>708280
Not OP, but do you know any good books on dog training? My friend and I are thinking of adopting one and share him on weekly basis. It's both of us our first time.
>>707090
>thinking of getting a small service dog
Either you need a service dog or you don't. If you need one you would not be 'thinking' about getting one. You would be in process.
If you do not NEED a service dog, please for the love of god, do not get one just 'because you can'. People like that are giving service animals a bad name.
I had a supposed service dog come up to me in a store and lick my leg. NOT a service dog.
2 days ago dog in Home Depot. No service vest. I say something, guy says it's a service dog. I tell desk, they escort gentlemen and dog out.
>>708284
I'm at work right now but I can link some when I get home. Got to the sticky on /lit/ to get the books for free if you need to. I suggest reading the books before getting the dog so you know what's up
>>708306
Thank you.
>>707095
they are bred for a single purpose.
to go into a foxhole and kill a fox bigger then them that fights for it's life and litter.
their personality reflects this. they are shitty pets for this reason.
Getting a springer spaniel. What do? What /out/ things should I teach it?
Also, anyone use a dog backpack so they can carry their own shit?
>>708535
they look like a corgi mixed with a wolf-dog
only right choice desu baka senpaitachi
https://youtu.be/bim01gFuvNE
We recently got a dachshund puppy and she holds her own against our bandog puppy (pic related). Im getting a proffesional trainer to assist us with the dachshunds training to get off on the right track. I will eventually try her out on rabbits with a chipolo on her collar in case she gets stuck and we need to dig her out.
>>707195
Fucking around with Moose...
It's cute until He or She decides to kick the fuck out of your "dog" and then comes to mash you into the ground. I can guarantee that thing will not even to try to fight for you.
>>707090
>pic related; some farmers near me bread them on the side
Are your neighbors Korean by chance?
>>707090
Screw the Dachsund; if you need a small tracking dog get a Beagle .
>>708950
what they get stuck? i never heard of this.
their head is pretty small to their body i don't think they can, their shoulders are the single widest part unless the tunnel collapse they won't get stuck.
>>707143
The cutesy cartoons and very specific medical terminology seem like they belong on different diagrams. It would be nice if I knew any of those terms aside from "pituitary dwarfism"
>>708284
Shout out to the first dog training books I read; they are outdated now so you would have to take them with a grain of salt-
Underdog: Training the Mutt, Mongrel, and Mixed Breed at Home by Mordecai Siegal (Quite old and outdated, but has good info on mixed breeds and how to deal with the unknown)
Dog Breeds Care and Training by Shirlee Kalstone (again old and outdated, but has good info on how to work with dog breeds and their specific drives)
Now for the more relevant ones, these will probably be more useful to you honestly, and are just very general dog training, not necessarily puppy raising, clicker training, scent working etc
The Power of Positive Dog Training by Pat Miller
Don't Shoot the Dog!: The New Art of Teaching and Training by Karen Pryor (20 years old and still very popular and critically acclaimed)
The Toolbox for Building a Great Family Dog by Terry Ryan
And I'm adding this because even though it isn't basic training, it;s very important:
12 Terrible Dog Training Mistakes Owners Make That Ruin Their Dog’s Behavior…And How To Avoid Them by Dr. Suzanne Hetts
It is kind of hard to find good dog training books because of people spending money on advertisement and such, and it's even harder to find real reviews or recommendations because unlike movies, less people read and it takes them longer to read a book and get back to you on it. If you wanted something more specific, I can try to rustle something up
>>709134
>If you wanted something more specific, I can try to rustle something up
Well because it's our first dog we would like an easy dog. Not to active but not lazy. Also dog shouldn't be hard to teach some stuff like potty train or going to bath. Although somebody pointed us out that smart dogs like to outsmart their owner and that is something we can't have as first timers.
Also it should be a /out/ dog.
>hairdresser had a dog
>dog barely moved
>sad depressed on the ground
SO we definitely don't want a dog like that.
>>707136
>beagle
Thread/
>>709147
From where I'm standing I see two roads you can go down. Either adopt a dog (NEVER from a place that isn't accredited via 501(c)3) or a breeder (reputable breeder is a must and are really difficult to find nowadays). If you go to a shelter, you will have to think of the dog as an individual, not a breed. Even if it looks like X breed, there is a chance it could be mixed or poorly bred and not be bred to the breed's temperament standards. I would suggest spending some time with the dog and asking as many questions as you can about the pup/dog to get a good feel for it. If you decide breeder, first you will need to figure out a breed, but more importantly research what makes a breeder a good breeder, because many shitty breeders will act like good breeders. A reputable breeder will also be able to tell you honestly if their breed is right for you.
Everyone thinks puppies are easy. They are not. They are blank slates that know nothing and are easy to fuck up, and if the dog turns out bad there is no one to blame but yourself. That being said, while they are difficult, they are rewarding. I would advise against a puppy if you can't be at home much, as they need to be let outside to pee and poop every few hours, and even more often than that he first few weeks or more because they aren't housetrained. They won't be able to do too much long walks for 1-2.5 years, depending on the breed
Adult dogs will give you a much better idea of their activity and personality than younger dogs. Generally, adult dogs have some manners and training (there are exceptions like feral dogs and neglected dogs). Of course, with that training there may be some bad habits the dog learned was OK in their last home, but is not OK with you. For the most part, bad habits are easy to break but simply require repetition (like training puppy) which makes most throw their hands in the air and give up.
>>709147
You can get adult dogs from breeders and puppies from shelters, shelters don't just carry adult dogs and breeders don't just sell puppies. To be honest, a shelter puppy is Dante Must Die mode (no idea of history, have to be really on top of training and socialization in case of genetic dog/stranger aggression) and an adult dog from a breeder would be easier, as you know the dog's full history from birth and the hardest parts of training, like the socialization stages that can ruin a dog, have been covered during the critical puppy stages.
If you want something that's 'easy' as far as initial training goes, my vote is for finding a reputable breeder and getting an adult dog that either failed confirmation, can't be used as a sporting dog, retired breeder, puppy that was returned as an adult, etc
>>707261
>muh genetics
Genes don't make things fat. Quit being stupid. Calories in, calories out.
>>707090
Standard poodle.
Extremely smart, excellent tracking and hunting skills if trained properly, loyal, excellent temperament, easy to train, hardly shed, if at all, love to go for rides, etc.
Downside is that they needs to be regularly groomed. Not hard if you know how to use clippers.
My Boxer has cancer and my Lab has gotten arthritis so bad that she can't walk. I think I'm going to have to put both of them down soon. They've both been lazy house dogs.
I'm thinking of getting a new pup in a year or so mainly to take backpacking. What is a good protective breed that will bark off a bear but isn't stupid enough to go playing with snakes? I'd love a TimberWolf dog but I hear they are hard to train and are very aggressive and can turn on their owner in a snap. I know German Shepherds are easy to train but do they make good trail/hunting dogs?
>>709381
My mother had a pure malamute and a malamute-shepard mix. The pure was great but the one mixed with the German Shepard would often come back with a face full of quills from porcupines it would try to chase away and/or kill. The Shepard also had a bit of a meanstreak and eventually had to be put down for that reason while the pure would playfully charge at you and then leap to the side. Malamutes are also strong; woke up one morning to see it covered in blood of/gnawing on the leg of a deer it had killed overnight.
The big problem with Malamutes is they are not easy to train unless you get on them very early and can cater their natural desires well enough in the process.
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/dogs-101/videos/alaskan-malamute/
If you want something my advice would be the laberdoodle or poodle.
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/dogs-101/videos/labradoodle/
>>709400
>If you want something my advice would be the laberdoodle or poodle.
I want a dog, not a rat. Any dog less than knee height isn't even a dog and should be killed.
>>709401
Standard poodles are not small dogs. Excellent medium sized breed. I had a "grand standard" and she was pretty damn big. They are an excellent breed.
Labradoodles are also super cool.
>>707090
The only dog worth considering is a Border Collie. They are the absolute best /out/ dog that ever existed. Everyone always goes on about how they need a massive yard and unending attention otherwise they turn bad and go neurotic, but I think this is mostly bad hype from really bad dog owners. I have had several border collies and never lived in a super big house, I also work fulltime and my dogs have never had a problem. They sleep happily in their beds or look out the window while I'm away during the day, and then in the evening we play fetch, go for walks or runs, hang out and chill by the water and go swimming in the warmer months.
On weekends we go for hikes or generally just chill. Some days they're a little more antsy then others, but you just give them extra challenges that evening.
I would never pick another dog that wasn't a border collie. Pic related.
>>709618
Agreed. I miss my pup.
BC's are very cool dogs.
>>709083
It's meant to juxtapose the perceived cuteness of the dogs and the cruelty of their breeders
brachycephaly is a pushed in face
achondroplasia is short limbs
I want to get a great dane because I'm a big guy...for you and they're about the only dog that might be able to lean on my shoulders
>pic related
I know they eat a shit load but I've heard they are very lazy which appeals to me and that they are hardcore athletes when switched on.
This means I could hike or run for a long time with one plus it would be good at hunting imo and then at night it won't even move which is ideal for me.
>I have no problem carrying an extra 20lbs of dog food/meat, is this a good idea?
>>709618
have a golden retriever/border collie mix.
can confirm that the needing a massive yard thing is bullshit. a massive yard won't do anything to mentally stimulate a dog anyway, even a dumb one. we live in a small apartment and I'm not sedentary.
I don't know what it is, though, but he's just not that smart. borders and goldens are the 1st and 4th most intelligent dogs, respectively. meanwhile this faggot can't figure out how to eat a meatball and holds it in his mouth and cries instead.
>>709835
>hike or run for a long time with one
you will kill a great dane with bloat that way.
>>709847
How long can they walk for?
I'm adopting a 4 month old Rhodesian Ridgeback. Is it too late to get it into training for self defense?
>>709856
walking is fine. it's the jogging and hiking. a great dane typically won't ever be a good jogging partner because of 1) the possibility of stress on his joints and 2) the possibility of bloat. you have to be extremely careful when exercising a great dane to make sure you don't overdo it.
I know you said you're a big guy and want a big dog, but medium-sized dogs are best for hunting and hiking and long periods of exercise.
>>709863
okay well thanks for the advice but I think I'd rather make shorter trips than get a littler dog
and isn't there some operation to make sure that something can't happen to their stomachs?
>>709835
food won't matter, cause you make it carry it's own. But, do you want to lug around a three person tent for you and your dog?
>>709886
Well I sleep in a hammock (again, big guy) and I would just give it a sleeping roll thing
>pic related
I never thought of a dog carrying shit, that's a good idea
>>708995
You're not very familiar with hunting dogs are you? Doesn't matter if it's a bear or wolf, the dog will just dance around it in circles and stress the shit out its target.
>then comes to mash you into the ground
>implying it won't be shot before it gets close
>>709866
yes, there is a surgery that basically involves stapling the stomach to the inner wall of the intestinal cavity that makes it harder, but not impossible, for the stomach to flip around. great danes are still at risk of bloat if the surgery is done.
despite me telling you that, you're a huge faggot if you'd rather get a giant dog because "hurr I'm a big guy" and potentially put it in high-risk situations than get a medium sized dog that would be at significantly less risk doing the activities you want it to do. you sound like you're trying to compensate.
>>709866
>>operation
Okay, big dogs is a no go for hiking, joints and back will be under too much stress, your dog would be in pain. Just get a medium dog or forget about hiking with him/her. And on that note, if you do get a large dog, don't make it carry anything, it is already under too much stress for large hikes.
>>710156
This guy get's it.
>>709618
this
>>709381
Puppies won't be able to do long distance walks. You'd have to wait until they're done growing, which can take 2 years for some dogs
>>709401
The only decently bred labradoodles are going for service dogs. Everyone else is mainly in on the designer dog ride and are byb or puppy mills. So be extremely careful with buying a designer breed puppy
>>709618
Border collies are generally known to be neurotic if they don't get their needs meant. Maybe you meet their needs, maybe the lines of your dogs were not the best Herder lines. I am of the belief that any dog breed can live comfortably in an apt as long as they have space to move and lie down, and their needs are meant. It's simply easier for most people to have a yard, especially when you keep in mind the majority of the population is lazy and stupid
>>709859
It's really never too late to teach a dog something. That 'old dogs can't learn new tricks' is not true. You would have to get a specific trainer for your dog though, and that training takes time. Some individual dogs simply aren't cut out for it.
>>709835
Great Danes don't stop growing for about 2.5 years, so you wouldn't want to really push him much until he is done growing. Large breeds are also very prone to bloat, which kills quickly and a lot of physical activity can make it that much more likely. Given their size and the fact that their joints and bones are already under a lot of pressure, they shouldn't be on long walks anyways. Great Danes are also not known for their energy. In fact they are touted as couch potatoes. They can get playful, but in bursts of a few minutes at a time. Idk what kind of hunting you were planning, but this breed has thin skin and isn't very game. You picked a very unhealthy and expensive breed for /out/ing. Finding a REPUTABLE breeder will be like finding a needle in a haystack that's pretending to be needles.
>>708196
There are 3 >german< scenthounds:
Alpenländische dachsbracke, Bavarian scenthound and Hannoveran scenthound.
>>710943
There are other larger breeds actually meant to do work. Looking into 'working lines' of breeds like Scottish Deerhounds and Irish Wolfhound's (working lines have a lot more energy than their pet and show line counter types, which may not be suitable for all life styles). Great Danes aren't bred for any line of work for the most part, and breeders largely breed for color. This combo leads to unhealthy animals as a whole
>>707095
This. Maybe ask in /an/ as well in dog general thread. Way better small dog breeds for out doors stuff. Thinking terriers.
Cattle dog master race reporting in
>>708284
That is a terrible idea. Sharing a dog will make it neurotic as fuck. You 2 won't be similar in consistency.
>>709618
Agreed. Mines got Collie in here too, here's another pic :)
>>709859
Self defence training? Wtf.
And 4 months is perfect...if you think a dog is anywhere near complete with obedience training at 4 months...
Maybe you shouldn't get a dog. Or alternatively, do a lot of reading and watch you tube training stuff
>>711026
Mines a cattle dog X collie too. Greatest outdoors dogs
