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Companion Planting - Raised Beds - Vertical Gardening - Square Foot Gardening - Polyculture -
Composting - Mulching - Vermiculture - Espalier - Fungiculture - Aquaponics - Greenhouses - Cold
Frames - Hot Boxes - Polytunnels - Forest Gardening - Aquaculture
Resources:
Murray Hallam’s Aquaponics: (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 )
-Aquaponics Secrets DVD
-Aquaponics Made Easy DVD
-DIY Aquaponics DVD (Aquaponics The First 12 Months And Aquaponics DIY DVD)
Backyard Aquaponics
https://kat.cr/backyard-aquaponics-t4385398.html
400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html
Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,
https://www.youtube.com/user/growingyourgreens
Ollas clay pot watering system,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNxACJ9vPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKq5geEM-A
USA Time of Year Planting Guide,
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/what-to-plant-now-zl0z0903zalt.aspx
Food preservation,
http://nchfp.uga.edu/
https://kat.cr/complete-book-of-home-preserving-pdf-gooner-t10069401.html
https://kat.cr/canning-and-preserving-all-in-one-for-dummies-2011-mantesh-t5998098.html
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_49.pdf
Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):
https://kat.cr/usearch/Stamets/
Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)
http://www.motherearthnews.com/garden-planner/vegetable-garden-planner.aspx
Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
Aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx
US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml
Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx
Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com
Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html
A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm
Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/
Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/
Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones,
etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php
Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org
Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs,
butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html
Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf
Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/
More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics
Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps
Thanks to OP, I found out about this clay pot watering system, watched some videos and decided to try it myself on my garden. Being in a 10b climatic zone (Italy), the summers can get pretty hot and dry, so what I'm trying to build now is a little veggie garden using this irrigation system. I could not find these specific "Ollas" clay pots they were using, but watching a video, I found out you could use a simple, conic shaped terracotta pot, which is extremely easy and cheap to get here. So I drew this little concept on inkscape, basically to explain my desired setup. The big problem I encountered was how to waterproof the bottom of these upside down terracotta pots. I thought about using an old PVC cloth I used for my garden pond. But even then, I need something to attach it to the pots without leaving any holes. I have no idea which glue could be used, It would have to be something very resistant to water and it should not leak toxic shit into the surrounding terrain. Any ideas on what glue could be used or other methods to seal these pots?
>>683893
How is that setup any better than subsurface drip irigation anon?
Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious.
>>683905
Well, I was trying to minimize the frequency of watering I had to do. Because the pots can accumulate some water to release it gradually, I thought that I could get away with like 2 weekly fillings.
>>683907
If you water 20-30cm below the surface and mulch the top with pea straw you should have very little soil moisture loss compared to top watering.
If you water heavily twice a week early in the morning with subsurface drip, it'll encourage plants to grow deep roots and become much more drought hardy.
Only issue with this method is that when you plant seedlings in, you'll need to water them in heavily and keep it up for a week or so until they can reach the underground watering system; and then it's all gravy from there.
>>683914
So your suggestion is to bury some drip irrigation pipes 20 - 30 cm below the surface? I like the idea and it could work, but I'm really new to drip irrigation and I have no idea what type of equipment I would need. My fear is that, having a heavy and clay rich terrain, the little emitters situated on the pipe could become obstructed and not work properly.
![473dcf1c-3db1-4a2d-b955-6fc4d06101f3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lQEhekc.jpg "473dcf1c-3db1-4a2d-b955-6fc4d06101f3[1].jpg")
>>683919
I thought the same with my clay soil, but the netafim brand drip hose that i bought doesn't clog and is actually specifically designed for underground irrigation on farms. Mix some good quality sandy loam into your soil and bury some food scraps to attract worms and other soil aerating critters if you're worried about the clay causing issues.
All you need is the hose, end caps and elbow fittings, and a snap on connector to connect your hose to the system.
I just laid 2 straight lines of hose and capped them off at the ends, then joined the other end up to some regular irrigation hose of the same size going up above the soil surface and terminating at the snap on fitting; then tested and buried everything. Anytime I feel like watering, i just snap the hose on and turn the tap on for an hour or 2 but having a tap timer would make life a lot easier.
The most important thing is to never forget to use clamps like pic related on every join and pressure test the system before burying it!
>>683925
This fine diagram shows how I did mine. If you're growing most regular veg 1 layer is enough, i only put in another layer for very deep rooting plants.
>>683933
Adding an inline filter can't hurt, go for it anon. What are you growing anyway, got any pics to show?
Pics are always good!
>>683936
I'm still in the planning phase, so I haven't started to grow anything. I will probably try to raise some cherry tomatoes, zucchini, galia melons and pepper
commence grow pic dump
>>683993
>>683994
>>683995
>>683997
>>684000
>>683994
before i left them out of water all day
>>684005
I read getting fruits from homegrown avocado trees is pretty hard unless you have a lot of trees nearby, because it is a dichogamic species. And lots of fruit trees seem to be this way when homegrown (not hybridized?)
Is it a relevant worry?
(Pretty uneducated about botany here...)
>>684000
3 weeks earlier
>>684064
That's a solution but it requires too much space for me...
>>684087
i didnt think of that until after, probly just keep them small and compact
how's the gardening scene in America?
judging from the tools they use it seems extremely depressing.
>>684128
>how's the gardening scene in America?
Same as most anywhere else. Industrial farming isn't gardening though.
I have raise beds. Most of the time I only use my hands or a tool I made that has a looped wire on the end for working with the soil. The latter is to prevent tuber damage when harvesting. But, it is 10F here, in my area, and snowy.
>judging from the tools they use it seems extremely depressing.
Not sure I understand the context.
>>684133
>Same as most anywhere else
you mean that it's shit?
>Industrial farming isn't gardening though.
no shit, hence why I'm asking, americans tend to farm not garden.
>Not sure I understand the context.
I was asking around about what tools are used there and I only got extremely hipster shit tools like Japanese weeding sickles, which are objectively shit tools.
>>684128
honestly it varies. There's a pretty wide variety of growing seasons/climates round these parts. I'm in Central Ohio and we have a pretty short growing season compared to the rest of the states.
>>683849
>what kind of OP image do you want homegrowmen?
JUST
>>684140
>americans tend to farm not garden.
More people garden than farm.
>weeding sickles
There's nothing else needed for a raised bed with good loose soil. I only use it when my fingers get tired of grasping tubers.
You also need to remember, the USA is fucking MASSIVE. Each state is essentially its own country with its own culture, dialect, and methods. Some places are giant monocrop fields where 3 people ride tractors and never touch the crops. Other places are just full of backyard gardens. Some places only have greenhouses.
>>684141
what kind of gardens do you have there?
when I look up american gardens all I get is a load of poorly designed french style.
>>684140
I've got two chainsaws.. a Stihl and a Poulan
An old-ass rear-tine Sears rototiller
A handheld hydraulic log splitter, axes for splitting more wood
weed-eaters.. fuckin John Deere riding mower that has an interchangeable snowplow blade
>>684147
>There's nothing else needed for a raised bed with good loose soil.
only they're not using it for a raised bed with loose soil, they're on their knees in the clay slaving away.
>You also need to remember, the USA is fucking MASSIVE.
so is europe, we don't seem to have any issues with it.
can you give me an example of a 'american style' garden?
>>684148
the fuck is this shit
>>684149
good choices, but they're mostly for farming, not gardening.
how come no one uses winged hoes and steel-wire leaf rakes there, those are the best options for basic maintenance.
>>684154
'outstanding american garden'
it's poorly designed french-style.
>surrounding irises with hedges.
>trees above hedges.
>sea shell paths.
kill me.
>>684157
ffs you're so sucky
>>684156
haha. I use my shit for gardening.
when i was living in southern california i had my landscaping license and did drought tolerant stuff.
>>684157
JUST
>>684160
>>684162
hey that looks nice. must be a nice neighborhood, i would worry about pwassersby and fuckwits of the general population destroying my landscaping by the street like that. also, is that little strip next to the sidewalk the responsibility of the homeowner like that?
>>684162
looks a bit too slick for my likes, but it appears to be properly done.
I would've used lava rock, it helps with retaining moisture.
they don't use it a whole lot here, because it's too wet rather than too dry.
>>684164
it's a very nice neighborhood. We planted a good amount of cacti and spiky-ass euphorbias near the edge so people would back off. The homeowners are responsible for that yes.. other than the waterline access that we incorporated into the walkway, which the city needs
>>684165
we had our irrigation guys dig out and haul off about 6 inches of the previos crap dirt in there. Then we put down a bunch of cactus soil and decomposed granite on top of it. the dg solidifies but can always be worked back up
>>684165
another nice property i worked on..this little area never got a lot of light, obviously
>>684175
corner of their property right on the road. never had any luck with those fucking boxwoods in the back
>>684177
also... those fucking sycamores...and those LEAVES
>>684177
Another property I helped take care of
>>684152
>only they're not using it for a raised bed with loose soil, they're on their knees in the clay slaving away.
I ...uh.....what? There's no clay since the raised beds have soil created from organic matter and sand.
>can you give me an example of a 'american style' garden?
Not at all. There's no one style of anything from vegetable to flower because there's too many cultures here. This, >>684148 would be a style from as old as that building which probably 1800s and came directly from Europe. It is probably located in the South which gets off on old stuff like that as part of colonial heritage.
Have something to eat.
>>684179
lol The worst part are when the balls start falling off. Go barefoot around them then and you'll come to your knees.
>>684182
>>684177
>>684175
this you ?
>>684189
>>684177
boxwood thrives on lime, it's their fertilizer.
just dump a ton of it in the soil around them.
>>684182
that one is nice, the last two seem a little over the top.
>>684184
>I ...uh.....what?
they're not used for raised beds, they're on their knees trying to cut off weeds with a sickle, it hurts my back just to look at it.
>There's no one style of anything from vegetable to flower because there's too many cultures here.
europe is full of different cultures, and they all have different gardening styles.
I don't see how America never developed any of it's own, apparently.
>which gets off on old stuff like that as part of colonial heritage.
wouldn't count on it, that's french style not british style.
brits have a good taste in gardens.
>>684204
>Japanese shears
>>684209
you have fun with your Fiskars
>>684218
I use these.
>>684160
>>684162
>>684175
>>684177
>>684182
these are from when I worked in Southern California.
A little over a year ago i moved back out to my mom's 12 acres that was left to her after my grandma died.
working on shit like this now
>>684233
what am i looking at exactly?
>>684235
>grandma died
where his granny is
>>684235
looks like he's trying to sun dry his cat on foil.
too bad you'll get toxoplasmosis from eating it.
>>684233
in ground cold frame.
NIGGAS I thought this was a gardening thread
>>684193
>they're not used for raised beds, they're on their knees trying to cut off weeds with a sickle, it hurts my back just to look at it.
I was describing my gardening tools and methods. I sit on the wall of the raised bed and do all my gardening. I only grow vegetables/edibles and a few companion plants.
>europe is full of different cultures, and they all have different gardening styles.
>I don't see how America never developed any of it's own, apparently.
Individual regions have styles, but people are not as rigid as to have and keep one style. I'm still not really sure what you are getting at. Expecting there to be one style for a place as large and diverse as the USA is really odd and illogical simply due to differences in both topology and climate.
>>684233
My first cold frame was an old tire with a window over it. I had amazing carrots,...and probably heavy metal poisoning from the tire to boot. Now I use inert bricks instead of tires. lol
>>684264
>I was describing my gardening tools and methods
then you're not the average american gardener, obviously.
>Expecting there to be one style for a place as large and diverse as the USA
I'm expecting atleast some styles with American origins, I don't care what part they're from.
there's a guy new me that's using old farm windows as cold-frame, the plants in it seem to be doing pretty well but he's probably going to die of lead poisoning anyway.
>>683993
how long did it take to get your avocado pits looking like that?
I dont have mine poked with toothpicks, will that be an issue?
>>684295
theyre skinned, the 3 bigger ones are just over a month and 3 smaller about a week
>>684268
>then you're not the average american gardener, obviously.
Most everyone where I live does the same thing. There is no "average" gardener for all of the USA. Too many people do too many different things. For my region though, I'm in the average category for gardening style.
>I'm expecting atleast some styles with American origins, I don't care what part they're from.
Three Sisters
Square-foot
Off hand that is all I can think of. The ones you'd shown a photo of are colonial style which is why they are heavily influenced by Europe.
>>684165
Looking good, dude. Still have the first pics you took, you insufferable cunt?
>>684193
>wouldn't count on it, that's french style not british style.
Which in areas that had predominantly french people living there might make fucking sense,no?
The british weren't the only ones to establish colonies in the americas.
>>684005
Avocados are usually cloned from the hybridized mother plant and then grafted, this retains the original fruit from the mother tree as well as speeds up the growing/fruiting time...growing from seed takes much longer and produces less quality fruit
>>684430
literally all fruit trees
>>684430
>produces original quality fruit
fixed for better accuracy.
>>684331
>There is no "average" gardener for all of the USA
I'm pretty sure the average gardener in the USA would be a mexican with a leaf blower.
>Three Sisters
>Square-foot
that's farming, not gardening.
>>684350
the second season of my new garden hasn't started yet, it's winter here.
>>684377
name me some french colonies, I'll check the gardens in those areas.
Quick question:
Is it possible to grow square potatoes? I know the japs made watermelon cubes, so I'm curious if it'll work with potatoes? I hand cut my fries so it'd be way easier if they were already rectangular, you know? Sorry if it's a stupid question.
>>684569
sure, follow your dreams.
you'll need some tiny ass frames for it though.
>>684558
>that's farming, not gardening.
From Wikipedia,
>Gardening is the practice of growing and cultivating plants as part of horticulture. In gardens, ornamental plants are often grown for their flowers, foliage, or overall appearance; useful plants, such as root vegetables, leaf vegetables, fruits, and herbs, are grown for consumption, for use as dyes, or for medicinal or cosmetic use. Gardening is considered to be a relaxing activity for many people, except bugguy who has to be a massive faggot about everything.
>>684638
too non-specific, that definition is worthless.
>farm (färm)
n.
1. A tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural production.
gar·den (gär′dn)
2. often gardens Grounds laid out with flowers, trees, and ornamental shrubs and used for recreation or display: public gardens; a botanical garden.
if you consider farming gardening you might as well consider hydroplanes sailboats.
>>684651
>vegetable gardening
That's like 90% of everything people post on here when it isn't seed sprouting time.
>>684779
>when it isn't seed sprouting time.
but it's always seed sprouting time.
>>684783
trueee
>itt
people who think of themselves as quite educated but are useless and lazy irl, not to mention havent applied anything theyve ever memorized /rehearsed (*not learned) from a book
>>684832
it's kind of hard applying everything I know to my small garden.
starting a hugelkultur next week if it makes you happy, made myself a pond today but it needs work.
>>684832
What are you talking about? Are you in the correct thread? Have you ever been in a Homegrowmen thread before?
>>684569
they're some serious root vegetables. you probably wouldn't be able to extract the roots and put any sort of frame around them.. and return them to the soil.
yeah no. definitely would not work
>>684832
dad worked for Farmland most of his life.
my first job at 16 was at a greenhouse making soil and watering plants.
did a summer of tree-removal
had a business license for lanscaping in long beach, california for two years
did a summer on a tree farm. growing maples and shit
suck my green balls
>>684651
I didn't know vegetables don't produce flowers or that you can't even eat flowers, trees, and shrubs.
You come off as a complete ass wipe, you worthless tripfag. jsyk.
>pic related, this thing is a perennial edible that YOU TOO can grow in your garden
>>685231
There's an entire culture built around edible gardening/edible landscaping.
>>685014
This.
I'm a farmer and run a small farm. Homegrowmen threads have been assailed with my farm and garden since it was originally on /ck/ then /diy/.
>>685233
I would consider myself immersed in that culture. I just take offense to bugguy implying that just because you can eat (even some of) what you're growing, it's automatically not a garden.
>>685252
hes a known idiot around here
>>685231
you don't eat decorative flowers, they're ornaments without function or purpose.
once you start eating them they have a function and purpose and are no longer decorative.
>>685360
Bugguy, you truly are to /out/ what SI prefix guy is to /n/, but he at least has the courtesy to not use a trip.
Also to the rest of you:
>Replying to trips
>>684161
FRENCH
>>685386
If it pisses you off that much that only gives me more reason not to remove it.
>>685418
imagine the amount of time it takes to shave all of those boxwoods twice a year.
and they don't even look good.
>>685386
And what Mr. X was to /diy/. lol
>>685360
Guess what? Roses are edible.
>>685428
People can simply filter your posts.
>>685501
>Roses are edible.
if they're grown to be eaten they're not decorative plants.
you don't eat decorative plants.
you should trip so I can filter you.
>>685509
>if they're grown to be eaten they're not decorative plants.
>edible gardening
>edible landscaping
>you should trip so I can filter you.
Just filter Anonymous and your life should improve.
>>685525
>edible gardening
>edible landscaping
you mean farming.
even the dutch have specific words for each, and our language isn't very complex.
>>685528
I threw a pond together yesterday.
>>685534
>pond
You mean a tub of water.
>>685536
that's what a pond is.
>>685534
That looks like shit, make a grade going down with cement and fill it with river stones, a fountain, and some fish.
>>685534
looks like an ancient roman toilet. where's your sponge stick bro?
>>685501
there is hope
>>685534
how do you make a white turd
>>685566
by eating lots of cum i presume
>>685558
>make a grade going down with cement
no thanks, cement ponds are crap.
>fill it with river stones
it's too shallow for that.
>a fountain
someone has never owned a pond before.
>and some fish.
no thanks, it's soley for salamanders and keeping shoreline plants.
keep your shitty opinions about what a pond should be for yourself.
>>685559
those look sick.
>>685566
those are Nuphar lutea roots.
Any mushroom growers around? I've grow oyster mushrooms, and shiitakes, and I think going to grow some more shiitakes along with some of the more exciting type of mushroom soon. So far I've just used kits, but this summer I'm thinking about trying to inoculate logs to grow outdoors. What do you guys think would be an interesting edible mushroom to grow which is a bit less common?
>>685654
Laetiporus
>>685657
Good idea, I'll look into those.
>>685665
Those are an 11/10 of the growing skill scale.
I recommend Hericium erinaceus and Enokitake.
>>685730
they're pretty easy when you get the hang of it.
the worst part is getting them established.
collect them from the forest, don't grow them from spores, that'll drop how hard to grow they are to about 2/10, pay attention to their soil.
>>685735
also dont collect big ones they'll never work re-established.
small-meds are the best.
>>685735
Laetiporus doesn't grow in soil. To grow them you'll need to follow this paper to the letter,
[see pic for link]
Here's an example of a success,
[see pic for link]
2 out of 100 bags is 11/10 difficulty. The only things more difficult to grow are Tuber melanosporum and Morchella esculenta.
>>685801
it doesn't grow in soil, it grows ON soil, they feed off half-dead trees decaying trees.
you can just chop parts of those trees off and relocate them.
>>685528
>not using for example the prunings of your rosemary hedge as spice in the kitchen because otherwise it'd lose the "official" status as "decorative"
>>685853
Top zez m8!
Oh no! I accidentally smelled the lavender that I was pruning back, now it's an aromatherapy plant and no longer decorative, I've ruined my garden!
>>685869
You could just pull it up and put it in the aromatherapy farm? It's probably not all ruined.
>>685869
i thought it was "zoz"?
ID please
Late summer in Australia
Grow in leaf litter with feces are in the area
>>685879
>>685909
Easy now anon, don't fight shitposting with more shitposting.
Despite being incredibly obnoxious and anally retentive, he does post new content; and this board runs on just that.
>>685919
tolerance, patience, and grace anon. if zed was still alive he'd be bugguy's tardguard for us, but he's RIP so we need to keep calm and do our best.
>>685922
i guess you're right, friend, he's so nice to us we need to be nice to him
>>685919
oc...
picked these with a hot 19 year old one morning.
>>685925
fuck you i'm high
>>685927
those looks delicious anon. excellent color grouping btw. you must have aztec blood.
>>685931
That was a couple years ago when I was working on a produce farm east of columbus, ohio.
I started these from seed the next season. my first produce garden.
>>685937
god dammit i'm still high.
First time poster on all of 4chan.
>nb4 newfag
Been lurking since '09
This is my indoor garden
Some are overwintering
Some are for the spring
Some are strictly indoor
All pics taken today
Commencing dump
>>685940
two roma and a punnet of super sweet pls
...and are you selling those for A DOLLAR? shit niggs mail me some this seasn willya
>>685943
yeah i just found this board and kinda love it already
>>685944
fuck yeah man. where are you located? I just got a couple massive t5 light fixtures for starting seeds and crap indoors
>>685944
jesus christ i've never had this much trouble posting. I was actually selling those for $2.50 a pint. they're called super sweet 100's
still a good price though
>>685950
Tobacco
>>685950
is that a stalk of corn?
>>685949
i'm way out in new england. probably wouldn't keep too well for economical shipping. look great though.
>>685954
hell yes. i tried a tobacco plant in my herd garden last year and it got taller than me. The leaves are still hung up out in my barn
>>685955
Ginger
wild black raspberries that grow on my property
>>685959
That's how large they should be, but mine is only 2 feet tall. Planted early last spring. Used wrong soil?, so it never got any bigger than 2 inches. Brought inside and repotted, then it took off. It's flowering now.
>>685947
Forgot name.
San Pedro
>>685969
Closet grow. Pretty empty right now because of fucking spider mites. Going to clear it out and sanitize.
On right:
Aloe
Lemongrass
Left:
Valerian
Parsley
All but parsley seem immune from spider mites
>>685979
Valerian
>>685982
Peace Lilly and wandering jew.
Not mine, just helping a black thumb
Peace Lilly had 1 leaf left when I got it
>>685990
wandering jew is a gorgeous plant. i've seen it get invasive though in socal gardens
>>685979
>>685982
>>685984
>>685990
this is awesome stuff man! i have such a brown thumb, but i wish i could grow stuff like this. i had some moss and little wintergreens growing in a pot on my (north facing) window sill for awhile but they died. seemed like a great idea but i fucked it up somehow
>>685994
Thanks. First don't waste you time putting anything in a north facing window. Not enough light. If your going to use a window, use south.
Personally, I don't use natural light, all artificial on timers.
Cheap too.
The bulb on the left was $13 and clamplight was $7 at walmart
Best time to re-graft pear trees? Ill be collectiong the grafts probably this week, but when should I graft em on? (im in czech republic)
Also any general tips? Its an old ass pear tree that doesen fruit much and im trying to save it.
>>686025
Forgot
Use CFL 100 watt equivalent(23 watt) minimum
It's also important to use 6500k to start.
Plants need more blue light for leaf and root development (spring), and more red light (2700k) for flower and fruit(summer and fall).
My tobacco is under 2 32 watt 2700k
One on top, one on the side and rotate
>>685915
all he does is shitpost, he's currently ban evading, there's 2 perm bans running against him for shitting up /an/
>>685947
How long has it been since you sowed those?
>>685990
Wandering jew is nightmare fuel, if left unchecked it can overwhelm 2/3 of my backyard.
Problem is the stems are so soft they break apart easily making superficial clearance easy but they always bounce back.
They are number 2 on my hit list behind kikuyu grass.
>>686136
>Wandering jew
check out my jew beard.
>>686083
October 1st
2 weeks to germ
Stayed under 1/4 inch for 1.5 months
Then exploded
Big one grew 1/4 inch in 1 week
Anybody here grow pereskiopsis? I've got 2 6 inch cuttings which are slowly adjusting to my climate but I'm afraid of fucking them up because I paid a lot of money for them. What's the best way to get the most number of plants?
>>686502
>pereskiopsis?
No. I have two Pereskia plants, though, which have similar sounding names. :D
>>686504
I'm also growing pereskia. Is that picture yours? Do you know if it is self fertile? How's the fruit?
>>686507
No, sorry to disappoint but my plants are still small and not fruiting... I'd like to know the answers to your questions too. I know some pereskia are reported to be self fertile. Mine are bleo and aculeata. Very neat plants. Good luck with your plants.
Will using a microwave to sterilize soil lead to a an awful smell?
>>686036
Last years apple gourds
Small is almost dry
Big one taking its time.
Might have to plant '17
Not sure if I should make birdhouse or bowls
>>686703
Idk y pic is upsidedown
Last years luffa gourd
>>686034
anybody?
>>686034
Spring, after threat of frost has passed.
>>686931
How high are you? None of that is good advice.
>>686951
it's the best advise he got so far.
most pears are grafted on Cydonia oblonga.
>>686987
it's not a bad idea.
>>686951
That's the standard thing you do for grafting. There are a couple common apple tree varieties used specifically for grafting other trees to their rootstock. M.7 and M.9 have been used for over 1,000 years.
>>687011
don't bother trying to educate them, /out/ doesn't garden, or graft, or do anything complex, all they do is farm and buy everything straight from the store.
>>687018
out doesnt think theyre better than out either
>>687020
you should lurk more if that's what you think.
>>686951
>Bugguy post something totally innocuous, like a picture of a fern wall or a small pond, or god fobid, grafting trees
>Anons shitpost and rage about it
>Bugguy gets called shitposter and troll
>???
>Profit!
How high are you m8?
>>686703
It'll make a lovely bowl or birdhouse, but the birdhouse might be more decorative than practical. My mum made a birdhouse out of one and put it outside, and the varnish was peeling off and it was looking pretty beat up in less than a year.
>>687089
don't mind him, I've got a shitposter following me around from /an/
he's perm banned x4 times so far for ban evading.
>>686703
Whatever you make, post pics. I love gourds and all the crazy awesome shit people make out of them. Pity I dont have the space to grow my own; maybe next year.
>>687089
My qualm is him being so anally autistic about binarily differentiating between "dedicated ornamentals" and "dedicated crops" with no intermediates or double uses, like as if plants can't look and taste good at the same time.
And that's coming from a German - I thought a couple 100km downstream the Rhine folks would be more pragmatic
>>687105
Jesus, it's like posting on sci and people nitpicking the use of sapeint/sentient when no one but them care and most everyone else uses the words interchangeably anyways.
>>687105
His variety of autism forces him to classify things in binary groups without overlap.
He's incapable of understanding concepts such as, "some ornamentals are foods," or "some foods are grown as ornaments."
his mind splits things into neat dichotomies and then forces him to spend hours on 4chan pointlessly defending them.
>>687105
If your angry about the guy shitposting about 'ornamental' and 'dedicated' crops minutiae, but then you have all these posts whining about the difference between 'farm' and 'garden'? People use the words interchangeably all the damn time, the only guy that cares about this dickesh minutiae is you guys.
Stop being autistic dicks, the both of you. Shut up about it already and post pic of seed starting and threads about composting and the crap that this thread is actually about. I like the fern wall, and you've got decent advice, but no one cares about the semantics.
>>686991
Lmao this damage control is unreal. First you say apple, then quince, and now pear.
You'll get the best success rates using rootstock in the same family. Simple as that. It's not like it's any harder to find pear rootstock compared to apple.
>>687114
Kettle-pot much?
Just a few posts ago you were trying to differentiate between 'farm' and 'garden'? When most people call both a backyard filled with ornamental plants and hedges a garden, and a personal plot of veggies and fruits a garden, but you over here are throwing a fit and insisting that that plot of veggies and fruit is a 'farm' and care/growing of one ABSOLUTELY MUST be called farming and IS TOTALLY NOT GARDENING or some shit when no one else cares and calls both of them gardening.
You're both autistic fucks. Shut up already.
>>687120
>Just a few posts ago you were trying to differentiate between 'farm' and 'garden'?
that was my first and only post itt. Until this one anyways.
now I've posted twice. Hopefully no more than that will be necessary.
>>686703
Well, it wont be horrible but it wont smell nice either. You know the smell when you furnace first kicks on and the house smells a bit like burnt dust? Like that.
>>686708
He's probably sterilizing it for starting seeds; which is a good thing to do to keep the seeds from getting diseases or mold on them. Compost is for later stages.
>>687116
In this whole trip-related discussion I made only two posts though, the one you responded to and this one >>685853
pointing out that hard-cutting between "farm" and "garden" without any intermediate (what he keeps doing, not me) is retarded in my book.
[/end trip derailment]
Anyway I'm posting a lot of seedlings, prunings and shit on here otherwise
(I'm the German Rhineland guy with the window rack)
Won't give an update photo of all the 20+ (sub)species/varieties I'm growing now already again (probably again in a month or so), but lemme show my second attempt at getting everbearing strawberries (Fragaria vesca 'Rügen') to sprout and grow. First attempt failed because I was using our shitty clay-like garden soil I guess (only 1-2 plants sprouted after a week, and even after 4 weeks showed no sign of growth and eventually withered), now I've used potting soil and have the pot standing on the radiator with a constant 25-30°C on the SW window, this way they seem to do much better (about 5 days since sprouting now)
Will single them out in a few weeks and plant them outside in around mid-April, but I doubt I'll still get to see flowers and fruit this year
>>686931
what the fuck man, my aim is not to have pears! i want to have that tree be usdeful instead of spacewaster!
My setup so far. Really simple; herb seeds growing in peat pellets under two cabinet lights in a cardboard box. Originally on a heat mat on my kitchen counter, I took them of the mat as soon as they sprouted and moved them into the box, which is nice and warm because of the lights.
This setup is by no means my only one; but I cant start on the more elaborate shit until march because our growing season starts so late. I just had to grow something, so I started herbs to satisfy me until spring. I have:
Lemon basil
Lime basil
Purple basil
Thyme
Tarragon
Roman chamomile
Lemon balm
Sage
Dill
Chives
Cherry tomatoes
>>687119
>First you say apple, then quince, and now pear.
I'm still going with apple, I'm just saying what most of them are grafted on.
>You'll get the best success rates using rootstock in the same family
that's not the case with pears.
pears are Pyrus, they're almost always grafted on Cydonia.
>It's not like it's any harder to find pear rootstock compared to apple.
it is, there's a lot more choice when it comes to grafting with apples than with pears.
when do lemons typically start going yellow?
are they just not getting enough light? they grow fine and the tree is also thriving
>>687441
Should ripen up around mid autumn through to mid winter anon.
What season is it where you are and what latitude?
>>685236
what size farm do you have? is it purely vegies? or something more?
Ive been reading everything I can find about small farms/market gardens/urban farms etc. Eliot coleman and all. Ive been seriously considering starting something.
Id like to possibly pick your brain if your up for it
>>687562
Chickens and vegetables. Hopefully goats sometime. I do it for the good food, lowered taxes, and kickbacks. Everything I do, grow, raise is for me first. All that I can't eat or preserve gets traded to friends/neighbors for things I don't have or sold for a bit of cash.
Step 1: get rid of all debt. If you can't do this, you should stay in the system. Think of the transition from normie life to farming as a retirement. Otherwise, you'll start out swimming in debt and there will be no end in sight.
>gonna have purple potatoes this year!
>>687441
Well, if that an indoor lemon and it's winter where you are, its probably not getting enough light to ripen. Might even be dormant now. Try sticking it under a light and on a heat mat if you want to wake it up and ripen those lemons.
>>687441
Have you already thinned out/reduced the amount of the fruits/flowers or did you let all the flowers become fruit?
Depending on tree size and conditions, it might be too much
>>687579
Ooo, do those stay purple when you cook them?
>>687749
They lose some color when cooking, but not all.
Shit yeah, onion sprouts are looking great. My leeks behind it just germinated after only 2 days.
>>687905
i like your folgers pot
Some of my first seedlings for this year came up, and one of them is a fucking tricot.
Been doing this shit a long time and I've never seen one before.
Anyone else get any tricots? It's worth noting that the lucky bastard is already 1/3 larger than his dicot peers.
>>687946
I got one once, a long time ago. Make a wish on it and your garden dreams will come true.
>>687946
One of the first seeds I ever planted some years ago was a tricot pepper. Unfortunately it was outside for a few days during an unexpected frost and died, but at least one of his family members is still alive. Just waiting for the leaves to come out again sometime soon.
I also have a mango with two stems which is pretty cool, but it's been growing in a way too small container so it isn't really as impressive as it could have been by now.
>>687907
Thanks. It actually works really well, it has a side handle, it's squat (but not shallow) and wide, and has a cover of its own. Honestly not sure why they don't sell pots like that for six bucks a pop yet.
>>687907
rate my vintage strawberry pot.
Good day, /out/. I'd just like to ask if will a cut rose still bloom? I've brought an imported China rose from a local floral shop and I've picked the one that hasn't fully spread its petals.
How can I stop birds eating caterpillars here?
During spring I had dozens and dozens of caterpillars (they raped the nettles here) and i thought fuck yeah I'm going to have so many butterflies soon. But then a family of young birds killed almost all of them.
Now it's cooling down a little and Autumn is almost here, which means the butterflies will become active again. I saw a bird near my nettles with something like a caterpillar hanging out of its mouth today,
>>688116
Pretty nice m8, what variety of strawbs are you growing in it?
>>688151
no idea, the strawberries are almost as old as that pot.
>>688121
Yep, it'll bloom. Florists sell unopened buds intended to mature in the customer's home. This way, you can enjoy your flowers at their best for as long as possible.
>>688154
Thanks.
>>688129
Bird netting, fake owls/bird of prey, cats, etc.
I planted a few perennial herbs last year in a pot, and quickly forgot about it. Any chance I could get an I.D.?
Might as well post some other stuff, too. Got a bit of a late start on new seed this year, but my perennials are looking good
>>688285
I took all of my pics sideways because I'm retarded.
>>688287
And I forgot that pic for the same reason.
>>688289
Blueberry cutting that I got. Leaves are turning brown.
>>688285
Those are some Jăläpęņœš that I've had for years.
Here's some pickling cucumbers.
>>688276
Does it have a square stem?
>>688465
Yes.
What is the general opinion on double digging? I try to follow permaculture and I don't want to ruin the soil structure, but I suppose it's okay for establishing a new bed.
I don't want raised beds, I want to plant right into the ground, but my yard has just been growing grass for the past 15 or so years and I find when I plant right into it the results are less than optimal.
I also did a lasagna bed, but it got overloaded with Bermuda grass and the veggies I planted didn't do a whole lot (tomatoes were okay, Zucchini barely produced or grew).
Opinions? I'm working with Clay soil, but not super compacted.
>>688116
muh nigga
>>688483
whoops.
>>688469
Since I'm all raised bed culture now, I nearly no-till. The only tilling the beds get is when I rip out old plants or dig up tubers which is plenty of tilling for a raised bed that never gets stepped on.
However, when making your first garden bed in virgin soil on flat ground, I do recomend double digging in order to improve drainage. If the garden has well defined paths so that you do not trample all over the ground and pack it down then you can normally get away with doing that double digging 1 time.
>Bermuda grass
Mulch.
>clay
Raised beds with your own soil made in it.
>>688494
>Bermuda grass
>Mulch
Not to be ungrateful, but I don't see that working. I smothered that shit in cardboard and piled 2 feet of organic material for sheet mulch. It didn't stop shit. The problem is, if it doesn't come from below, it comes from the side and 3/4 of my yard is covered in it.
>>688499
Mulch makes it easier to remove. You just pick it up and shake a little and that's it. No digging and tugging.
>>688522
Alright, I'll try it. I feel like that's going to get expensive unless I can get a fuck load of wood chips.
>>688527
Use 4 inches of straw.I suppose it depends on how cheap you can get it.
>>688522
My approach for my new garden bed is going to be to use vermiculture to keep the soil aerated and in good condition.
Hopefully it'll put me in the position where I can just use heaps of mulch on the top and keep the worms fed and there'll never be a need to till or grow cover crops and I don't have to worry too much about crop rotation.
>>688276
Does it have an anise scent? If yes, then my guess is anise hyssop (agastache foeniculum). A lovely plant.
>>688542
All that sounds good, but don't skimp on crop rotation if you can do it. Crop rotation is key for preventing disease and pests.
>>688552
>anise hyssop
Maybe. I'll come back in a month when it's more mature. Hopefully with a flower.
>>688553
I will be growing a good variety of crops and will rotate them from time to time, but i won't be that worried about underground pests like nematodes and pathogens as the worms will take care of a lot of that side of things.
Above ground pests is an entirely different problem, garlic and chilli spray works well so far and I might start using beer traps if slugs become a problem.
On a side note, how wet is too wet when it comes to soil for worms? I'll be using sub-irrigation and I'm not entirely sure if it'll discourage the worms or not.
>>688610
if you sqeeze your soil and more than a few drops come out its not ideal.
>>688629
What if you can squeeze really hard tho m8? the soil is clay mostly so it'll wick out and spread pretty well.
>>688116
You are a man of many resources, anon. Remember to adjust the soil fertility occasionally if that's a perennial.
>>688652
aren't all strawberries perennials.
I just repotted them, they should be fine for a while, they're been in that pot for about 50 years so far, the pot itself is even older than that.
seedling setup
have a couple more pics of progress
coming along, but they cant stay in the peat pellets till spring
i like the 6x12 layout of the peat pellet flats, so in order to keep them organized when i pot them up, i just made new flats.
i screwed some brackets to the inside of my shed door, so during the day i can swing them out towards the sun, and at night i swing them in and lock the door.
>>688806
cherry tomatoes.
>>688810
Billions of cherry tomatoes are in your future. lol
>>688815
only if it's a good summer, they almost always die before the fruit is ripe.
atleast here.
>>688821
Where I live tomatoes, zucchini, and peppers flourish like mad. Cherry tomatoes out perform everything else.
>"How do you know if you neighbor grows cherry tomatoes?"
>"How?
>"Don't worry, He'll give you some!"
>>688467
Mint, or in the mint family.
Just got some dollar store seeds for funsies, but there are little mushrooms growing. Are they safe? I plan on eating the herbs if I manage to grow them.
Should I pull the mushrooms out?
>>689050
some of my ferns
2 days ago these heads were tight and the leaves covered em up really well, them bam, this morning they were reaching for the sky.
