http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/is-it-time-for-the-democrats-to-admit-bernie-sanders-is-their-be/
>>44147
>The British tabloid is telling Americans what to do with their vote
Are you fucking kidding me?
Bernie is the best democratic candidate.
>>44154
Most countries suggest we vote Samders instead of Clinton or Trump. Problems are easy to see when you're watching from far away.
Too late lol
>>44147
I have been kidded for the last time
>>44154
>one opinion piece in the Telegraph is being deliberately provocative
ftfy
>>44189
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/31/europe-hillary-clinton/
>>44147
Why do people give so much of a shit about Trump? If the people vote for him, so be it. You have to respect that. Stop with this "STOP TRUMP NOW" bullshit. It isn't the Democrats choice to make.
Strategic voting is cancer
>>44288
Because Stimulus/Response voting is smart?
No, it makes you a reactionary faggot.
Do you jump for every loud noise too?
>>44306
Literally everything you do is stimulus/response. Sometimes, the response is a bit more complicated than other times. Your statement doesn't make any sense and doesn't address his point.
Reminder that at this time in 2008, Hilary Clinton was the front runner, not Obama.
>>44306
>Do you jump for every loud noise too?
I do.
Is there something wrong with that?
Its mostly just the MSM trying to instill a certain narrative.
>>44284
He's quite the Don. Unfortunately, he's already flip flopping on issues and becoming more like Hillary (or in some instances, more left than Hillary)
>>44307
His point was probably "instinctive reaction to immediate events" vs. "logical reaction to long term trends".
>>44147
Vote Obama again with new amendment, Americans!
>>44147
Shillary should fuck off. Bernie is the lesser of two evils.
>>44362
Bernie is the lesser of 3 evils, but between the front runners of Democrats and Republicans, I would rather go Trump. I'm a Canadian bystander so take that with a grain of salt though.
>>44315
To be fair, it honestly feels like he has to flip flop or else someone will literally try to kill him. I mean, we've had a crazy hipster try to charge him on stage to say nothing of a dedicated Facebook page calling for his murder. The latter in particular is fucking scary as Facebook refused to take it down.
>>44189
Eh, the EU practically demands that we elect Sanders as he... Wants to turn the US into a shittier version of the EU. China wants Sanders as he'll give them the keys to the world. Kimmy sees him as a comrade, so he has Korean support. The Moslems want him in as he devoured the "not all Moslem" narrative, thus allowing in a mass of Ragheads bringing the world one step closer to the so called "Final Jihad." Trudea is autistic as all hell so of course he'll want Sanders in office.
Shillary is going to be Obongo 2.0, and that's that really.
Pako knows Sanders will hand the south west to Mexico so the Mexicans want him in. Honestly all the countries that want Sanders in do so because he'll weaken America in the long run, thus giving them the chance to take her place as the dominant power.
Trump on the other hand. He's the game changer. Moslems are terrified of him as he'll put a stop to their dreams of a blonde slave harem. China will actually have to work to become a super power. The EU is fucking insane. Mexico will actually have to respect America again, instead of throwing all the ghetto beans they don't want north of the border. Trump knows Putin is not the enemy, so relations with Russia will improve.
Trudea, like I said is a fucking autist, so of course he'll oppose everyone who isn't Bernie.
>>44538
>>le best candidate is Emperor Drump
This meme is tired and based on FUD and speculation; the Saudis are in the toilet like Russia due to their economies based on speculation of oil, the Chinese have overextended themselves to try to beat us at the Capitalism game (which the Soviets tried and lost at), and cultural xenophobia will force said ragheads to assimilate. Even Europe realized it collectively fucked up without reeducating refugees or keeping them marginalized until they were processed.
trump is a jew puppet who is going to make sure that hillary clinton becomes the next president
>>44284
It is when he's the last republican standing.
Who in there right mind wouldn't want to stop the opposing side from getting to the top?
>>44570
This anon gets it
>>44570
only trump can make hillary look "good" in comparison
>tfw pollack voting for Trump
>tfw fully aware Bernie could beat him
>tfw not even mentioning it
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
Please libcucks, be my guest and continue to vote for shillary.
>>44537
Oh Bullshit Obama was in a hell of a lot more danger for just being black. It's been his plan the whole time to act like an aggressive no holds barred gorilla appealing to the most easily manipulated group of primary voters out there (middle/low class Republicans) to win him the nomination just to flip and show what he is really thinking for the general knowing most of the idiots will still follow him. Bubba ain't gunna admit all his talking up about trump for the last few months about was wrong. Those fags on /pol/ and over on reddit on the_Donald spewing shit about how everyone he tricked with the Leaked tape are cucks. What about all of them he fooled with all his campaign promises? I think I know how the real cucks are.
Lots of people will vote Shillary because deep down inside, they love political dynasties and want to be ruled by an authoritarian despot.
A shame they can't see the Trump would be the best candidate for that as well.
>>44704
Oh for the love of God Hillary, work on your shilling for Christ's sake or train your minions to be at least slightly more subtle. It's just so obvious is embarrassing.
>>44710
They probably do see that, but the Trump name isn't political. Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, etc are political names.
Not trying to make trump sound like a better option, but a lot of people are voting Hillary because she's a career politician and if somebody is a career anything, then surely that must mean she's good at it?
If she divorced bill way back, she would be fringe candidate at best, if she was even in politics at all.
>>44710
>they love political dynasties
Is it really a 'dynasty' if the only other politician with the name of 'Clinton' is an ex-President? It's not like Bushes or Kennedys, with politicians going back a generation at the very least.
>>44544
Europe hasn't realised shit and that's why the UK wants to leave the EU.
>>44147
America deserves Trump. Humanity is still composed of primitive hairless apes, making decisions based on emotion, not rationality. Trump plays his audience like a fiddle. He's much better at evading real questions than Clinton, and will use his sales ability to destroy Hillary.
Sanders and his followers are dreamers, and humanity needs to evolve another thousand years or so to make anything like "socialism" work. Ultimately people are greedy and lazy. The rabble needs to grow up, have an epiphany of some sort. We won't live to see it. Maybe our great-grandchildren, if we don't burn the planet to a cinder before that.
>>45503
Thank you, my reptilian master.
>>44680
>can't beat Clinton
>could somehow beat Trump
The Sanders meme needs to die already.
>>45503
>oldmanyellsatcapitalism.jpg
No, it was time 3 months ago. Now it's too late, it's time for Dems to learn the hard way that you can't run your whole campaign on identity politics and expect to win. She'll be lucky to get 1/3 of the male vote
it's been clear for several months that the 2016 electorate hates "business as usual"
they want to shake things up and do something completely different
pair that with Hillary's huge negatives and of course Sanders has a better chance against Trump
>>45524
>you can't run your whole campaign on identity politics and expect to win
Sadly, I think you are completely wrong on this point. However, I would definitely agree that Clinton's particular identity politics won't win her a thing.
>>45524
Obama's campaign probably got most of the black vote because he was black. If I went out and asked blacks what they thought of Obama's original platform, I would either
>get shot, or
>get a wrong answer
>>45542
Kerry got 88% of the black vote. Black's vote Dem because 50 years agoThe Dems signed the civil rights act and the Republicans opposed it.
Also my point was Hillary is beating her campaign around identity politics, Obama never brought up his race or accuse his opponents of being racist. And he didn't keep saying he was only interested in helping black people. Hillary can't stop playing the woman card and accused both Bernie and Trump of being sexist. Her biggest policies are focusing on women while ignoring men, especially white men. Even issues that are men's issues. 93% of prisoners are make but Hillary says we need less women in prison.
>>44538
As firm as he is on domestic policy, I doubt he'd let China do whatever they want
>Korean support
Kim has treated his people like shit. They're starving so that he can feed his army. Sanders isn't going to respect, or reward that
>letting Muslims in= the apocalypse
Fuck off to /pol/. Not every Muslim (or even most of them) is a terrorist. Not every black guy is a thug. Not every white kid is going to shoot up a school in their life time
>Russia isn't our enemy
Idk about that, but they're sure as fuck not our friend either. What they've done in Crimea and their approach to the Syrian civil war shows how trigger happy Putin is
>Mexico
Sanders can't and won't cede the south west to Mexico. Also, those people came here seeking a better life. They are not thugs shipped here by the Mexican got you fuck
If you think a megalomaniac with so little experience in politics that he had never debated before the first republican debate in office you're why this country isn't great
>>44284
Why do people give so much of a shit about Hitler? If the people vote for him, so be it. You have to respect that. Stop with this "STOP HITLER NOW" bullshit. It isn't the Democrats choice to make.
>>44284
Most of the "STOP TRUMP" people on the left are being fed the fear card by the Clinton campaign.
The rest of them are conservatives who are embarrassed that a man who doesn't stand for their values, doesn't care about their party, and a man who is going to let Hillary win the presidency by the sheer fact that he's so incompetent.
>>44309
Objectively wrong. Obama was ahead by 12 points by this time.
>>44362
>>44501
You're serious?
>"Rich people are the cause of all our problems, and we should steal their money"
>"Mexicans are the cause of all our problems and we should build a wall"
>"Our problems are complex, and are caused by a variety of sources. We have to find realistic solutions"
So you're telling me the last one is the worst choice?
>>44538
Lol Trump.
>Muslims
Moderates are scared of Trump. Extremists welcome him, because he motivates more and more Muslims to join in their Jihad against the west. Trump would likely mean another Terrorist attack on US soil equivalent to 9/11.
>China
Is not a problem. We are making tons of money off of them, and their country has too much problems to become a legitimate superpower.
>EU
Is struggling to exist. We benefit from trade with the EU, and should try to keep it stable.
>Mexico
Doesn't give a shit. They care more about their ongoing war on the drug cartels. They're going to ignore Trump, and keep doing whatever it is they're doing.
>Russia
Russia isn't a superpower any more. The Russian people hate America because we still are. Putin is just trying to stay in power and maintain stability. He actually has no problem with America, but has to act like he does to stay in power.
Other countries want Bernie because he'll slowly weaken America. Other countries don't want Trump because he'd quickly weaken America, which would increase Terror attacks and fuck up the global economy.
>>45548
>Crucial swing demographics are women and latinos
>Whoever does best in these groups will likely win
>Hillary tries to appeal to female voters
>Trump's personality is off-putting to female voters, and says borderline offensive statements directed towards latinos
Makes sense to me.
Hillary's been in politics a long time. She knows what a candidate needs to win the general election, and is making sure her campaign focuses on it. This is called playing to win.
I mean really, Hillary's positions are almost identical to that of Bill. She doesn't need to explain her positions that appeal to men, because most men who can vote have already seen what she's going to do via Bill (With the exception of young voters, who don't tend to actually vote in the first place).
On the other hand, Trump doesn't understand how to win, and is just doing whatever the fuck he feels like.
>>45628
Hitler literally did nothing wrong.
The republicans would rip sanders a new one. Clinton has gone easy on him, figuring she's going to win, so why get aggressive so soon. Trump would make him look like a clueless communist who has done very little work while in congress for 20+years. Clinton's dirty laundry is old news. Sanders would go down hard. He'd make trump look like the sane one.
>>45633
Her numbers with men are terrible for good reason, as bad as trumps with women.
>>45632
$0.02 has been deposited into your account.
>>45644
worse, actually. And while her numbers with men are terrible for good reason (because she's actually incredibly sexist), there is no good reason for Trump's numbers to be as low with women. It's entirely media narrative and white-knighting. Trump is a mean bully to both men and women, but for some reason we pretend that being rude to men and women is sexist.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/105th-congress/house-bill/629/cosponsors
http://archives.texasobserver.org/issue/1998/09/11#page=11
In 1994, Sanders co-sponsored a bill that would have allow low-level nuclear waste from Vermont to be shipped to the poor Latino community of Sierra Blanca, Texas. Activists from Sierra Blanca fought back for four years and even traveled 2,000 miles to Vermont to speak with then Congressman Sanders. Sanders' response? He told the activists he didn't care and that he had a re-election campaign to worry about.
>>45641
Indeed, he's extremely easy to attack.
If Bernie had to run against Republicans he get a new one ripped so fast he'd probably kill himself
>>45659
>If Bernie had to run against Republicans he get a new one ripped so fast he'd probably kill himself
No he wouldn't. He'd win. The republican brand is shit, which is why an outsider like Trump can so easily come in and disrupt everything.
In 1994 the republicans has just taken control of the Texas State Legislature and were looking to deregulate everything and anything possible if it meant the state could get some money out of it, which led to them accepting nuclear waste from Vermont, among other unhealthy things.
>>45661
And Bernie could have chosen to not sponsor the bill.
He sponsored the bill at the cost of poor communities because it netted him money, he did not care.
His principles were weaker.
You can make excuses for him, but fact is he did not care.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/28/a-strange-love-or-how-bernie-sanders-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-embrace-the-military-industrial-complex
bomber bernie
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/5/third-strike-sanders-campaign-10-million-mystery-contributio
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-campaign-contributions/80999298/
Strange money and violations
SuperPACs
http://time.com/4233514/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-nurse-superpac/
No regret for crime bill
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sanders-doesnt-regret-vote-for-controversial-crime-bill/article/2588764?custom_click=rss
Supported by NRA
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/2/12/vettingbernie-how-wayne-lapierre-and-the-nra-helped-launch-bernie-sanders-political-career
Universal health care failed in his state
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/01/25/costs-derail-vermont-single-payer-health-plan/VTAEZFGpWvTen0QFahW0pO/story.html
>>45663
Why the fuck should he care? Texas was willing to get rid of it, for a price, and that was that. He's not somehow responsible if Texans drink that shit like glowing koolaid.
It's amazing how you attack Bernie for not caring, when Trump and Hillary have practically built their platforms around it.
>>44147
Like it matters
The left is gonna keep on rigging primaries and then the general election until Hillary is installed while presenting that murdering monster as who everyone wants.
Bernie's sutpidity was thinking his party gave a shit about democracy and what the people want. Marxists never do. They decide all things for us then tell us why it's what we wanted.
>>44544
>>45613
>>45632
Heh, one guy wrote three separate responses to my shit posting. I mean look at this shit, look at these Liberal cliches:
>Not all Moslems
>CHINA WILL FALL BECAUSE
>The EU is Jeebus!
>Mexico iz our friend!
>Lol Putin is stoopid and Russia is weak and stuff
Yeah, can't tell if the guy is wearing rimless glasses or a fedora, or both.
Of course the UK wants Sanders, he makes their country look great because they were doing what he recommends America does before America did it, making them the trendsetters. Socialized healthcare will not work in America. Welfare doesn't even work in America.
>>45727
It probably isn't the same guy, /news/ has been flooded with self-righteous lefties from the start. This board is pretty much just the left-leaning alter-ego of /pol/, albeit with less meme magic.
>>45727
>uses insults instead of evidence to argue against anon
>doesn't provide any information of his own
>ignores any point that anon might have made
>thinks this is an actual argument.
Good work. /news/ confirmed shit tier board.
>>45740
You can make /news/ better by contributing to it if you have the energy for it anon!
>>45628
Haha he is so just like Hitler am I right? Fuck that intolerant douchebag. He's on the wrong side of history. Trump will LITERALLY put ALL MUSLIMS in internment camps and kill them. He is a RACIST! HE WANTS MEXICANS TO DIE!
Lol!
>>45694
>it's ok when Bernie doesn't care because others don't either
Wow, really makes you think
>>44147
>time to admit
>as if anyone with any sense hasn't already realized Bernie Sanders was the best choice since the start
If you don't understand why Trump is a terrible choice, you're an idiot. If you support a candidate that's found a way to be liked even less than Donald fucking Trump you are a fucking moron. If anyone has been following this election at all the choice is easy and clear.
>>45768
We don't vote people in to care, we vote people in to do all the shit we can't be assed to do. It is sad, and it attracts a lot of unsavory types, but that's how it goes.
Also, while Vermont could have backed out at any time, the texans were the ones who chose to dump it in a poor community. Attacking Vermont for this is equivalent to attacking a gun salesman because someone blew their foot off with a 20g.
>>45771
It'd be nice if he actually cared.
He's portrayed as the honest man of politics but his resume is full of holes.
He's just as crooked as the rest.
Just like he claims to be anti-war but supported the 1.5 trillion dollar F-35 project because it created jobs in his state.
Or when he attacks Hillary for the crime bell but shows no regret voting for it.
>Attacking Vermont for this is equivalent to attacking a gun salesman because someone blew their foot off with a 20g.
Close but Bernie knew where it was going to get dumped.
So it's like the gun salesman was told by the buyer that the gun was going to get used to blow someone's foot off.
Sanders knew, just because he was less responsible for it doesn't make him not partly responsible.
>>45776
If he didn't get rid of that nuclear waste, what do you think would happen? He would get blasted by his primarily white voterbase because they don't want to turn green. Again, Texas is at fault because they offered to do it. If the Texas government fucked over their people in the process, then that's on Texas for making a stupid decision.
And gun salesman can still sell to people who don't give off good vibes. In fact, they usually do. If the background check comes back clean then who gives a fuck. The gun salesman would still get 0 blame in that situation.
>>45770
Not an argument.
>>45641
How is he easy to attack??
"Fuckin commie!!!!!!! lol got him now"
That's all they've got
>>45770
>liked even less than Donald fucking Trump
Literally the only candidate in the history of favorability polls who comes close to being as unliked as Donald Trump is Hillary Clinton. Everybody outside of establishment Dems hates her. Which is why the establishment Dems fucked themselves by forcing her on everybody.
>>45860
>being unliked as Trump
just a small correction. Clinton "strongly dislike" rating among the public is just under 40% while Trump is just over 50%.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
Also, I wonder how much of this is the establishment or democrats (with a chance) realizing there was little chance of coming up against her. I mean O'Malley was the only one silly enough to do so. I wonder if Sanders said, "Fuck it, this is the last chance I'll ever have I might as well," prior to jumping into the race.
I personally believe that the strongest candidate the dems have is Elizabeth Warren. She is from a poor family (dad was a janitor), used to be a bankruptcy lawyer, consumer advocate, and is former Harvard professor. She has an interesting back story, which can allow her to connect with working class dems and the educated elite.
>>45885
Why do people keep suggesting Warren, as if they know what the woman wants? She's doing a great job as a congressman, and people want to put her at the head? She's one of the few representatives who actually gives a shit about her job, and you want to remove her. Think about that.
If you think Obama got no support from the redneck right this time around, I can't wait to see the firestorm from a woman president.
>>45896
Obama had a super majority to do whatever he wanted with, did nothing with it, then people came out to vote Republicans into office in near record numbers specifically to block his agenda, which is one of the purposes of a Republic system of government. Oh but wait, he got the fantastic Obamacare system into place which managed to make it a whole 9 years before totally collapsing unto itself for being a dogshit system that's 100% unsustainable and ultimately being a complete waste of political capitol and time, so gg no re.
OH BOO HOO MUH KING NEGRO DIDN'T GET HIS WAY WHENEVER HE WANTED CUZ MUH EBIL REDNECKS DIDN'T LET HIM
That fucking faggot went on his Cuba cocksucking tour to talk shit about capitalism to a bunch of actual communists and socialists, so you should be sucking the dicks of each and every person that voted to block his limp-wristed idiocy before it could do more harm than it already has. Literally one of the most unprepared people in the history of the nation to sit as commander in chief of The United States, and he not only didn't get better at the job, he got worse.
Also, Warren hasn't actually done shit aside from be an even less accomplished Bernie Sanders, which is shocking because he's accomplished almost nothing himself in the decades he's sat in the cuck shed of the house, spending his time pushing socialist bullshit that goes nowhere and being a leech on the public infrastructure, having never once held an actual job.
>>45930
This is why nobody cares what you rednecks say on the subject. You get extremely frustrated (and racist), to the point where anything you post looks like an angry rant. Even further, any content you might actually post is worthless, and shows an almost commendable lack of knowledge on the political system.
>B-but Sanders never held a real job!
>abloo abloobloobloo
You wanna know who else never did?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/05/20/only-six-current-senators-made-it-to-capitol-hill-with-no-political-experience-six-out-of-100/
Buy a noose. Tie it to a ceiling fan. Put chair underneath. Climb up and apply noose to neck. Kick the shit out of that chair, and swing by the neck until dead.
>>44154
>2016
>Satirical News Shows not liberal enough
>This displeases the King Jew
>Replace American hosts with British ones because Americans are not liberal enough
>Motherfucking Jon Oliver
>Every woman in America telling me they will never talk to me again if I don't vote for Shillary
>King Jew is pleased
>>45936
>b-but Trump has no political experience why are people voting for him
This is why nobody cares what you shitlibs have to say on the subject.
>>45885
She's also openly racist in her politics which would really help out the feminism angle hard lefties are going for these days
>>45969
Where did I say that? Nice reflection there bub:^)
>>44284
Old post is old, but still worth pointing out how retarded it is. I'm a 'Republican,' but the whole point of democracy is that we all have the choice. They choose to try to belittle the opposing politicians just like the thousands of previous groups have done in the past.
>>45973
The guy voting for a communist is trying to make others look retarded for not voting for a communist. Typical 4chan.
>>45970
Examples of racism?
>>45977
Not the same guy, but I think hes full of shit. Warren dislikes whites apparently, and mocked cherokee Indians by claiming to be one, but seems to be your typical shithead democrat.
>>45978
>relying on insults, bipartisanship and not citing anything
you seem like a credible source.
Let's try this again. What are some examples of her supposed bias against whites?
Also, as for Warren's Native American thing. Considering she was basing her idea of being fractionally Native American off of what her family told her when she grew up poor in Oklahoma where Native Americans are the second largest minority group, I'm not really all that concerned. It is a blackmark on her image, but if this is the best someone has against her, it is pretty weak.
I'm seeing all the same typical comments I'd see on a fail of a website like Facebook. Here's the thing, I feel funny about the fact that when polled Trump and Hilary are two of the most hated candidates, but they're also the leading, a very basic and probably stupid observation but oh well. My thing is, it's so obviously rigged, so the only way The People can change it is if EVERYBODY votes one way, or nobody votes at all. Too bad nobody is the 1776 kind of committed to changing our country anymore
>>45633
>On the other hand, Trump doesn't understand how to win, and is just doing whatever the fuck he feels like.
You are correct. Your statement is also why Hillary is scared to death about facing him in the general election. Trump cannot be predicted. He also has absolutely no compunction against calling out your bullshit in the crudest, loudest manner. Hillary can't shut him up the way she has at least slightly managed with Sanders.
>>45991
Uhh, I was agreeing with you. I dont think she's racist. I think shes just a typical progressive liberal, AKA a shithead. Pro BLM, pro islam, pro everything but the white male. Also, I'm an anonymous poster on a shitty 4chan board, of course I'm not credible. Thats just like, my opinion man.
>>46012
This is BS. Hillary is not keeping Sanders quiet, Sanders is pulling Clinton further left then shes ever been, making her admit more then shed like, and quite literally ruining her hopes of pulling leftist Republicans like myself.
>>45936
>I literally cannot refute a word you said so I'll pretend I have the moral high ground to avoid doing so
>The other leeches in the senate have no real world experience, that means it's okay if my communist savior doesn't either!
>>45976
>voting along the lines of a different ideology is bad
>nevermind that most Americans 'socialists' are probably cluster to center left, when compared to the rest of the world
HUAC pls go
>>46045
>they shouldn't be career politicians!
>except when it's someone I support! Then they can be whatever!
wew
Politics is still a job, albeit an insanely wellpaid one, but I'm not responsible for that. We also pay sports players millions of dollars, and I'm sure that won't change any time soon. I don't have any ground of any kind, you're the one who is so desperate to justify your moronic ideas.
>>45977
Called blacks super predators. Said she carried hot sauce with her at all times. Idk.
But she does hate men, I know that much.
Women too, actually.
>>46060
>Different ideology
>Complete opposite of what the founding fathers lived and died for
Yea, maybe we should just give everyone money no matter how hard they work.
What people like you don't understand is how angry that makes us blue collar AND the white collar workers, the ones who keep this country running. It will NEVER make it. Your dreams of free money are already dead.
If Hillary really runs for the Democrats, Donald will be inevitable. Hillary doesn't have the backbone and strategy to win over Trump and Trump is way better at swaying people to his side
http://youtu.be/LibRNYJmZ-I
>>46061
There shouldn't be career politicians, yes, and no politics itself is not a skill, it's a public service and sacrifice that only ever became a paying gig so that poor people could serve instead of just rich ones, not a vehicle to enrich a select few through the leverage of their influence. And no, it is literally nothing similar to a sport star being paid highly, as they fill a demand and compete in the private market place which sets it's own pay grades due to competing products, ideas, and the popularity of the end result.
Good job being a total retard and never able to respond to a single point raised yet still cluelessly taking the tired smugness defense of just "knowing" how wrong someone is.
>>46080
Hillary is literally the worst possible person to run on a major political ticket, much less against a guy like Trump, who will destroy her dinosaur campaign with the weight of it's own incompetence.
It really boggles my mind that the Democrats are letting her run, and not pushing in Biden or something, who at least stands a chance, but I guess they thought she'd be running against someone just as beatable like Jeb! or Cruz.
Tough luck for them, but it's going to be embarrassing to watch what happens.
>>45968
John Oliver's show comes on HBO, and the only people who pay for HBO are GoT nerds and Lena Dunham. John Oliver doesn't get 1/10th of the ratings that Jon Stewart's Daily Show got while it was on.
>>46098
It's Hillary's election to lose, the election is already over barring assassinations. The democrats could run The Ghost of LBJ and they'd still win, as long as they are running against a Daddy Warbucks like Trump. The people that come out to vote for Hillary won't be as many as the people who come out to vote against Trump. That doesn't even get into her advantage with the electoral college.
>>46102
>It's Hillary's election to lose
I hope you aren't too attached to that opinion since Trump is going to mop the floor with her in the coming months.
You'd need to be an extremely skilled politician to deal with the monstrous amount of scandals that Hillary has, and only Bill at his prime could have done so, while Hillary's prime was in 2007, and she was still fucking garbage enough to lose to a nobody from nowhere like Obama, who was real life good friends with terrorists.
It's over before it began, but not in the way you think.
>>46080
I just don't get why people keep underestimating Trump. People really just don't seem to understand that any kind of promotion is good promotion.
>>46116
It's more mind boggling that the Clinton campaign of all groups is underestimating him in exactly the same way that all the Republicans he buried did.
They're even using the exact same language that Jeb! did, and he got demolished. Do they think that when /they/ say it, it will be magically different?
>>44538
Are you completely fucking retarded?
Sanders will create jobs by massively REDUCING china's influence on our foreign exchange.
Sanders will make us a better version of the EU that isn't so reliant on the east-african trading block and other bullshit tier press gang shinanigins
Sanders will actually help the fucking middle class attain power and credibility in our fucking country, why would you not want this? Equality is not about letting the poor and the less fortunate cum all over your face, its about the middle class regaining political influence and thereby making america an actual democracy, because right now its nothing more than a fucking wealth-based oligarchy. That's the thing u fucktards don't understand.
>>46119
bernout detected.
>>46120
No shit
Doesn't change he's right. The middle class is the backbone of any democracy.
A disappearing middle class has always ALWAYS had negative consequences for a democracy and it's what's currwntly happening in Europe but even more extremely in America. America in its current state is not sustainable
Nope, not how a election process works. And, by the way, America is not a Democracy.
>>46132
Representative Constitutional Republic.
A democracy is a system governed by a lottery i.e Athens. Voting is the primary mechanism of an oligarchy the many voting for the few.
>>46119
Berniefags always say shit like this.
>Bernie will represent us, the middle class white males who aren't on welfare, aren't deadbeat parents, aren't going to the hospital on a weekly basis!
He doesnt even acknowledge our existence. His entire campaign is pandering towards blacks, Hispanics, and women. I don't give a shit how many of your sourceless, baseless posts you make about Sanders, HE DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ME OR MY WHITE FAMILY. As much as it pains me to vote for an imbecile like Trump, I'll gladly do it to retain what little money I still make after the government takes it hands out of my fucking pockets, and to retain what little gun rights i have left. Fuck your welfare state.
>>46143
>I get all my political information from /pol/
It's a moot point now because Sanders lost, but in the future you shouldnt believe everything /pol/ tells you. Bernie has done very little pandering, instead focusing primarily on economic issues regardless of race
>>46101
john oliver is also not even 1/10th the comedian/political commentator jon stewart was.
>>46143
>HE DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ME OR MY WHITE FAMILY
citation needed
Can we just assume that the {("Telegraph")} fits in the "Blogs and Editorials" category and trash this thread
>>46155
"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor."
>>46151
I don't visit /pol/. I dont enjoy random racism, which is all ive ever heard about /pol/.
Bernie is pandering to poor people and college students every time I hear a sound clip, see a news article, or watch a video of him.
>>46155
You want a source for my opinion? Do you even know what citation means?
>>46163
>>46143
you're an idiot, plain and simple. $10 says you've never actually read a single exert of berries warranted policies, or what he's done for white middle class america over the last 40 years. Bernie does not represent blacks, hispanics, or women, he represents the middle class, regardless of sex or phenotype, u fucktard. Discussing economic reform doesn't come from someone with race policy or gender policy in mind, it's a mathematical basis for numerical reform and financial stability, which in turn influences the middle class' ability to affect political policy. The fact that you pawn off your ideas so readily without actually doing any research is proof that you're just another chump voting for chump-king-trump because you're too lazy to be informed or make your own decisions so you let fox and other marketed billionaire owned propaganda outlets do the thinking for you. Trump has no policies, he will not defend whites any more than blacks, in fact he doesn't give a fuck about race just like bernie doesn't. The difference here is trump will only listen to you if you're rich (regardless of yours sex or nataionaltiy), while bernie will listen to you if you're not.
I'll say it again. This is not a discussion about race, gender or nationality, both trump and bernie couldn't actually give a fuck about it, these are trigger words that they use to create support. The true difference between both of them is that one will focus on maintaining wealth inequality, while the other will focus on breaking down the barrier between the rich and the middle class, helping to pave the way for a democratic future.
Damn you cucks are making me wet
First post amidoingitrite?
>>46160
out of context fucking google shit before you spew retardedness everywhere
>>46187
So basically, Bernie Sanders is the dream politician that everyone hopes for, that will fix the economy, raise my income, and also take care of the rest of the world?
You're missing something here. I'm clearly a Republican. You will never, ever convince me that a democrat can fix a single thing. Nothing. In fact, you have continuously called me names and ranted about how great Sanders is, but haven't proved anything. You haven't so much as shown me any of this policy that specifically caters towards white middle class Americans.
A tip: don't bother. I've read Bernie Sanders opinions, views and ideas. I see how you've been duped, but I have no intention of raising my own taxes, losing my guns or supporting the entire world with my paychecks.
So go ahead, call me names. Id rather have an idiot that does nothing then a progressive liberal that takes everything from me.
>>46154
Because he isn't a kike
>>46080
Can't stump the Trump
>>46219
Not that guy and personally I'm libertarian but you you shouldn't be allowed to vote if you can't be convinced no matter what anyone says to you. That is an I'm right and everyone else is wrong mentality. Besides , the parties have switched before and they can do it again. Remember when today's republicans were just Dixie-crats?
>>46207
Its not out of context. Actually listen to him.
>>46226
Not the guy you're responding to: Tragically, your hurt feelings should not and cannot be made into law.
Though it IS interesting to hear a libertarian argue that the government should require everyone to take a political correctness test, to make sure their views are kosher in accordance with the government, or else you cannot vote.
>Besides , the parties have switched before and they can do it again.
This antique meme again? The democrats have always been the party of demographic shell games and racial hierarchies.
>>44147
I'm a supporter daddies and I totally agree. People aren't ready to free themselves from socialism just yet. At least bernie is a human being and I don't think he'd actually ignore the insane debt situation and ride us even further. At least not much more... In any case hitlery is poision in an already crooked system.
>>44147
This isn't news.
>>46270
>I don't think he'd actually ignore the insane debt situation
Why not? Look at what happened when his wife got involved with Burlington College.
>>46226
Yep. My vote shouldn't count because I believe different from you. Show me a democrat that will deregulate full auto guns, do away with ridiculous suppressor laws, and ban regulation on gun lengths, and I'll happily vote dem. Protip: its uncommon for the average voter to flip-flop sides. Someone whos deeply religious isn't going to suddenly vote for someone who wants god out of all aspects of government.
I know for a fact Republicans are wrong on some aspects. Why the fuck should anyone be wasting another minute on taking away a couple's right to an abortion? Why shouldn't marijuana be completely legal?
I care about these things, and honestly, Trump is crazy enough to touch on these topics. He is further left then any other republican candidate was.
Must love these discussions of pseudo intellectuals.
How about taking a step back and protest the sham that your State/Leaders are feeding you? When is anything under this monetary system going to amount to anything but slavery?
Okay, totally got it now_ avarice of the heart and so forth.
Where is the real sacrifice for the future?
You all matter, however, more so_ our children and how they will look back at us as cowards that didn't want to make a stand against a system that's clearly only benefiting the few just so we can have our cheap housing and eat our septic supper, or continuously munch on pretty girls' assholes.
Learn at your own pace, please.
>>46303
lolwut
I'm registered as a Republican, but many of the technologically poor decisions have come from them. So I'm thinking about leaning more towards a Democratic candidate. And I don't want anything to do with the Clintons....I'm surprised she's still in the running as a criminal with the whole email investigation going on. And if Bernie can do some time of university payment reform or something that'd be great by itself. We either pay for war or school, right? But hey, I can't let anybody know I'm thinking great things about a democratic candidate, because I'm in the south where lots of people still just think within a box.
hillary has the noms, there will be no choice cause trump is a xenophobic racist, hillary wins. done. end of thread.
>>46560
Go back to redd!t
>>46559
Yeah. I mean Bernie has issues but he seems like the only candidate right now that might support technology. And that's just because he hasn't made it a huge issue on his platform.
Hillary and Trump don't really give a fuck about it, and a lot of evidence points to Hillary being technologically out of touch.
Illuminated Technocracy when? We need scientists to make decisions for us.
>>45666
http://m.imgur.com/kqCkVyT
>>46559
>We either pay for war or school, right?
I'm an ex-Bernie supporter and the reason why I quite backing him is because with Bernie, we pay for both war and school.
Currently 60 percent of our tax dollars are going to military spending. If you look at Sanders' track record you will see that he never opposes war. He voted yes for every American war since he's been in Congress and has expressed no desire to cut military spending (because he knows his candidacy would be instantly void).
The guy is headed in the right direction in a lot of ways, but in some very big ways he's not and those big ways will cripple America as a country. You don't have a socialist society with open borders. He talks about becoming more like a Scandinavian country but those countries don't hand out their benefits to just anyone who waltzes in and they certainly don't give 60 percent of their tax payers' money to the military.
tl;dr Bernie is going to gouge America if he becomes president, which he won't.
>>46676
He voted no on the Iraq war making your entire point invalid
>>46282
Let's put some context here.
Look at what happened to a school 10 years after the wife of a candidate left as an employee
>>46684
"An employee" is a rather roundabout way of saying "president" (since that's what she was). "Ten years" is also a rather roundabout way of saying "five years", since it was October 14, 2011 that she stepped down. The important point is that the college is closing because the debt that she ran up was completely unsustainable, even though she (and everyone who signed off on the land purchase) clearly thought that the it was sustainable.
That is a strong indication that it's not reasonable to say "Bernie Sanders is good at dealing with debt, so we don't have to worry too much about the massive debt that his policies imply". So the debt problem remains unanswered.
>>46671
>And that's just because he hasn't made it a huge issue on his platform.
The whole point is that he hasn't made any outright anti-technological claims. Hillary and possibly Trump on the other hand would allow an anti-internet bill like the TPP or the countless forms before it through immediately.
>>46676
>I'm an ex-Bernie supporter
>He voted yes for every American war since he's been in Congress and has expressed no desire to cut military spending (because he knows his candidacy would be instantly void).
Anon, how much do the Chinese pay you to lie and subvert our democracy so openly and shamefully?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdFw1btbkLM
“When the president and the vice president were telling us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, they didn’t make the case to me. That’s why I not only voted against the war but helped lead the opposition,” Sen. Bernie Sanders said at the time. As the war dragged on, Sanders talked about it at a Vermont town meeting. “I think the evidence is very clear that Bush’s war in Iraq has been counterproductive in terms of fighting international terrorism." On Tuesday, he reflected on the events of the past decade and his opposition to the war. "I think history will record that as the right vote,” Sanders said.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/war-in-iraq
>You don't have a socialist society with open borders.
Sanders: "[Open borders] would make everybody in America poorer --you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a country called the United States or any other country, you have an obligation to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs."
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
>>46688
Bernie Sanders, the truly isolationist candidate.
>>44154
The British pay more attention to us politics than Americans
I haven't read any of this thread, but I feel safe in my assumption that it's shit. Never talk politics on 4chan.
>>45632
>and a man who is going to let Hillary win the presidency by the sheer fact that he's so incompetent.
Which is why he's leading Clinton and the media is desperate to construct a poll that shows otherwise. When Clinton rallies put up Trump numbers, let us know.
>So you're telling me the last one is the worst choice?
Are you telling me you actually decide on who to vote for based on what they say?
>Trump would likely mean another Terrorist attack on US soil equivalent to 9/11.
The exact opposite in policy has resulted in three terrorist attacks on US soil. Not everything needs to be 9/11 tier to be evident of failure.
>China
True.
>We benefit from trade with the EU, and should try to keep it stable.
We'd benefit more from a serious of semi-independent countries able to freely associate as they see fit, instead of a superentity akin to Hitler's wet dream. The EU needs to go like NATO does.
>They're going to ignore Trump, and keep doing whatever it is they're doing.
That's fine, and while they're ignoring us, we can increase our security along the southern border so Drug cartels stop actively seizing US territory from citizens.
>The Russian people hate America because we still are.
The Russian and American people don't hate each other.
>Other countries don't want Trump because he'd quickly weaken America, which would increase Terror attacks and fuck up the global economy.
And Clinton, despite being responsible for the program that gave rise to ISIS and having participated in decades worth of back-room deals and government destabilization for profit, surely will not.
Clinton shills are almost as delusional as people who think Bernie would have a better shot at beating Trump than Clinton when he can't even beat Clinton in the first place.
I'd love for Sanders to win but how many Jewish presidents have we had? how many non Christian? there are 100 million evangelical Christians in this country and most of the rest are still Christian in some way. Sanders has a snowballs chance in hell of climbing that
>>47104
We had Kennedy.
>>47118
catholics are the real true christians
>Too bad my governor is a cuck
http://www.jerrybrown.org/an_open_letter_to_california_democrats_and_independents
>>47165
Catholics: the original, and only true, christians!
>>44284
lol it was my choice. i am registered independant but always vote democrat. in the primaries this year i had the option of the democrat or republican ballot. i took the republican so i could vote for trump because i want to see the GOP blow up in a spectacular fashion, which will happen even if he wins the general election.
