Does a double-decker bus have any advantages over a standard articulated bus? I know a few years back London introduced artics into the fleet and of course the people of London made it clear they vastly preferred the double deckers. Is there any situation in North America where a double decker would be the preferred option over an artic?
>for the tea-nigs, an aritculated bus or "artic" is the same thing as a """bendy bus"""
We have them here in NYC for the tourism trade and that's about all they are practical for. In the NYC metro area it would be a hassle with all of the tunnels, low bridges, and height restricted routs. I can't comment on other US municipal transportation systems as I lack knowledge and experience.
>>959106
Nope. /o/ is for automobiles. Buses are automobiles. /n/ is for other means of transportation, including, but not limited to, bicycles.
tl;dr fuck off
>>959107
Picture is articulated bus.
>>959108
OP was referring to buses as a means of tra/n/sportation. Therefore this is the correct place.
>>959108
>Public Transportation is not related to Transportation
>But Jersey's and half-naked women posing with bicycles is.
No, you fuck off.
>>959104
Articulated buses are a pain in the ass to use on narrow streets (which London has loads of) with sharp corners and in environments with heavy snowfall. If a city doesn't present these challenges then artics remain the best option since they have more doors, no stairs and don't have problems with clearance.
That being said some cities in North America do use double deckers quite extensively but in most cases they seem to mostly be used for express buses (they probably handle a bit better at high speeds on motorways).
>>959110
Cars are used for transportation too. That doesn't make them /n/ material.
>>959111
Public transportation is /n/-related when it doesn't involve an automobile.
Cycling jerseys are /n/-related.
Pictures of girls riding bikes, and of cyclist girls standing with bikes, is /n/-related. Pictures of models posing with bikes and pretending to be with cyclists is not /n/-related and belongs on /b/ or the porn boards.
You fuck off, faggot cunt.
Also, learn fucking grammar
>capitalizing transportation
>capitalizing jersey
>apostrophising jerseys
>>959118
>talking about sports is /n/ related
Christ just fuck off already. We already have a board for alternative sports, fag. Also tell me, how is discussion of sports-wear for cycling is related to transportation?
>>959121
Cycling is a means of transportation. Cycling clothing is related to cycling, and since cycling is transportation, cycling clothing is therefore related to transportation.
>>959104
You can find both in Toronto but they operate on different systems. GO Transit uses double Decker on there 407 routes, while the TTC just began using Artics again on its routes.
While I don't know the exact reasoning for GO's use of double deckers, I know they can't be used by the TTC since a alot of bus loops on the systems don't have roofs high enough to fit them (this was an issue back during the CNG days). Its much easier and cheaper to extend a bus platform to accommodate a 60' bus then it is to raise the roof on a building.
>>959124
>Cycling is a means of transportation.
But the vast majority of the cycling threads here are mainly about professional or sport cycling. If Formula One racing and NASCAR threads belong on /sp/ and not /o/, then bicycle sports threads belong on /sp/ or /asp/, not /n/.
>>959127
>But the vast majority of the cycling threads here are mainly about professional or sport cycling.
No they're not. Even if they were it wouldn't matter, that's still transportation.
>If Formula One racing and NASCAR threads belong on /sp/ and not /o/
They belong on /o/
>then bicycle sports threads belong on /sp/ or /asp/, not /n/.
BMX threads belongs on /asp/. Fixie threads belong on /toy/. Mountain bike threads belong on /n/ or /asp/. Touring/bikepacking threads belong on /n/ or /out/ or /trv/. Custom bicycle accessories, etc belong on /n/ or /diy/. All other bicycle related threads belong on /n/.
According to some autistic government transportation flak that I got stuck in some meet and greet with,
Articulated
+ better for wheelchairs/disabled
+ more entries/exits.
+ Better for low clearance.
+ capacity
+Better fuel economy
Double decker
+Shorter wheelbase means better manuverability, in almost all factors, turning, merging
+Allows for smaller bus stops.
>>959104
for some reason, Londoners decided their special snowflake city was the only one in the world that couldn't deal with articulated buses.
>>959104
Bendy buses are fucking long m8
It's so interesting to see tensions escalating between the cyclists and all of the other transportation folk on this board. IMO, busses are /n/-certified, as they are an alternative method of transport; they belong here as much as trains do.
While I personally don't like the cyclists much, they're probably the only thing keeping this board going.
Now, to keep relevance:
>>959104
London keeps them because it's the last staple they have. Gotta get that tourist money. If Amsterdam can have elongated busses and trams, any city can.
>>959116
>environments with heavy snowfall
Also, heavy rainfall :^)
>>959104
In a city hovering on the edge of gridlock doubling the footprint of the public surface transport was a really stupid idea.
They made their feelings known.
>>959104
>Half the length, same capacity.
>Doesn't have a trailer that swipe cars.
>People like to sit at the front and be King/Queen of the bus.
>>959281
Isn't the front top one of the most dangerous places to be?
>>959283
Nope, like you have to be a bit careful on the stairs but riding on the top deck of a bus is safe and pretty normal where I come from. There's more seats on the top, you get an interesting view and if you are lucky you get the front seats. It's not dangerous at all.
>>959283
The muppet in the bottom right has a lot of say in this.
>>959116
That's a meme though. London doesn't have THAT much narrow streets that wouldn't be suitable for articulated buses.
The truth is:
1) muh tradition - nothing reasonable
2) bus length - double deckers are shorter than bendy buses, therefore you fit more of them into one congested street
>>959104
Yes! On commuter buses, where most people get on or off at three or four stops (this is quite important, when you have people from the top deck getting on and off, it adds to the dwell time quite a bit), and where seats are more important that standing room. I believe double deckers can seat more than an artic, and double deckers I'd imagine are easier to handle.
>>959105
>implying this board is flooded with posts and this takes up tons of space
In a sattelite of Toronto we have double decker "go" busses that go between Toronto and my city.
I think it's because they have to use the express way.
>>959107
Everybody using these buses not just tourists. The New Flyer artics were introduced in the Bronx first because Westchester Beeline had them. We are getting new New Flyer Xcelsiors and they are going to southeast Queens first. Right on the lines that I use. Sweet new color range with wi-fi.
>>959281
>Half the length, same capacity.
>no standies on the second floor allowed
Well there goes that argument.
>>959352
3) Cyclist deaths
4) Tight turns compared to newer European cities built on grids with wide roads
5) Requires more space to pull in to bus stop properly, again causing delays
6) Multiple doors allowing fare dodging
7) Horribly designed mercedes citaros which are uncomfortable pieces of shit. Put them on the 149 through tottenham and you feel like you are on a train in Somalia
>>959108
>Public transport
>Transport
>>959135
You know double deckers have had low floor technolgoy since the 1990s right? How can they be worse for wheelchairs?
>>959414
>Multiple doors allowing fare dodging
Single door loading is incredibly inefficient and significantly increases dwell times. Also don't the Borismasters have a door at the back that fare dodgers could use?
>>959396
He was talking about double-decker buses you absolute retard.
>Ithaqua
Business as usual.
Chicago uses articulated busses for public transport. The few double-deckers around here are relegated to touring downtown.
From what I understand, even a Bristol Lowdekka, one of the better low-floor double-deckers, is about 14' tall. We have a lot of underpasses with less clearance than that, even down to 12' in some places or lower. I think the L is only something like 13'8" from road to the girders. We have to use articulated for high-volume.
>>959452
And other people were talking about artics. Also the OP brought up artics. Get a clue,sonny.
>>959418
Maybe half the capacity being up a flight of stairs requires more dedicated wheelchair room at the front of the bus?
>>959128
>>But the vast majority of the cycling threads here are mainly about professional or sport cycling.
>No they're not.
Yes they are, because those smug fuckers come and hijack any commuting or touring thread and belittle anyone who doesn't have a 3 kg carbon fibre road bike with 20 mm rims.
>>959837
>20mm rims
how plebian
>>959946
>No space between the number and the unit symbol
You're in no position to throw such labels around.
>>959981
The space makes it less aero tho
>>959946
Yeah, I just know normal bike rims quite universally are about 25 mm (including the beloved steel 10 and 12 speeds), and after I checked, around 20 mm is actually a pretty common width for modern road bikes, so my hyperbole went quite flat.
>>960077
>width
Usually when you state an otherwise unspecified mm dimension for wheels it's referring to depth, not width.
That said for superlight concept bikes the rims have to be shallow to reduce weight.
In the real world however, it's almost always worth having the extra weight of a deeper rim (30-60 mm) for more aero benefits.
And yeah, modern road rims are trending towards wider for both comfort and better aerodynamics with the wider (25 mm mostly) tyres that are in use.
>classic captca used to give me numbers
>now it's french roads
>>960078
Supposedly 25 mm is pretty good then, unless one goes into the propeller hat territory in the equipment arms race?
I for one like the fact I can get my tyres from a hardware store.
>cue the lycra fucks yelling "oh, hoh hoo, trying to justice your $100 craigs list find, casual?"
It's for fucking commute and occasional night rides, OK.
>>960083
>night rides
Is this a euphemism for something? Or do you actually need a special word for riding your bike at certain times?
I bet you don't even have lights
Here in Barcelona we have double bendy buses. There's only 3 of them and there's only one route (H12) that's straight enough for them to be practical. There's lots of single-benders too.
>>959116
This is basically why my city, Frankfurt is planning to (re)introduce doubledeckers. At first only on one very busy line that goes through neibourhoods with narrow winding streets in which you cant use the bendy busses by Solaris, MAN and Mercedes. Earlier this year were some test runs with a double decker borrowed from Berlin (Pic related), where double deckers are in service for more than a century (Berlin and London are the two doubledecker bus cities).
>>959118
buses are public transportation
what the fuck are you even trying to argue about
>>960323
>(Berlin and London are the two doubledecker bus cities).
Ex-fucking-scuse me
>>959104
Double deckers have more seats, Articulated carry more standing passengers (which means a higher total).
Double deckers are cheaper, easier to maneuver (a two axle DD is 9m long, it's the same length as a minibus)
Articulated buses are better if you need a lot of capacity, while DDs are better when you need "a little more" capacity that is constant along the day
And if the demand is very dynamic (people getting on and off every stop) you may want a Articulated bus for the easy boarding.
>>960791
What the FUCK happened to that Enviro400?
Why does the lower front look retarded?
>>960866
Are you referring to the interior? I can't see any other differences.
>>960323
>>960791
Pretty much every major city and town in the UK is a "double decker" city.
Pic related: Edinburgh's Double deckers.
>>960950
>We're taking Edinburgh to a better place
England?
