ITT: Post your randonneuring and touring rigs.
>>933434
>no fenders
what the fuck are you doing?
>>933458
>riding in rain
>getting soaked anyway
>as if fenders will make a non-negligible difference
Fenders just get in the way.
>>933460
Enjoy your mud covered ass and worn out drivetrain & brakes
>>933460
>the voice of inexperience speaks
>>933460
They make a massive difference m8, try them.
>>933460
hi newfriend
>>933434
I've seen this bike posted before. Aren't you that long-haired meme tranny? Yes, I remember it now.
No wonder you ride without fenders, you're quite retarded.
>FENDERS FENDERS FENDERS
Maybe I'm a retard too, but in 20,000+ touring miles I've never felt like I've suffered for missing them.
Of course, proper waterproof clothing and panniers make a difference, especially in places like the Pacific Northwest in the winter.
>>933434
If fenders aren't your style, OP, keep doing you.
I think fenders are a commuter thing. Do people even tour when it rains? Don't they wear raincoats?
I myself would put on fenders just cause they are pretty
Older pic. Bike is almost done, still needs:
backroller classics
handlebar bag
brooks saddle and tape.
Then, I'll consider it done.
Is the Fuji Touring a good choice for medium distance touring (around 1000km) in areas with good infrastructure (so you don't need to take shit tons of food and stuff with you but can get them en route easily)?
More comfy than it looks, am lanky af tho. Recently found a hairline crack where seatstay meets seattube :( Any way to fill a tiny crack to get some more life out of it?
>>933646
It's dead Jim. Even if you reweld it the structure is permanently compromised. You don't want it to break in the middle of nowhere. Just buy a new frame.
>>933643
It looks decent. The only real fault is the lack of front eyelets for a lowrider. Also the chainstay is a bit on the short side. foot clearance might not be optimal depending on your shoe size.
>>933462
I regularly clean and lubricate my drive train.
>>933473
>>933522
>>933528
>being this scared of water and mud
When you ride in storms enough you'll come to realize that fenders really don't make much difference and dealing with water and mud isn't a big deal.
>>933536
I'm not a tranny. I have a beard m8.
>>933584
That's a nice pic. Is it your bike?
>>933633
>Do people even tour when it rains?
Yes.
>Don't they wear raincoats?
They do.
>>933639
Brooks saddles are a meme, don't get one. Nice bike though.
>>933643
I like the Vaya and LHT. Not sure about the Fuji, never ridden it.
>>933646
>dat agressive position on a tourer
>>933728
>Is it your bike?
Yes. For what it's worth, I think my Brooks was a great investment, but again, to each his own.
Busting my ass in the Sierra Nevada a few years ago.
old pic but here you go
![IMGP0909.MOV_snapshot_00.44_[2014.10.15_21.37.41].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8wFQJ20.jpg "IMGP0909.MOV_snapshot_00.44_[2014.10.15_21.37.41].jpg")
>>933832
>>933837
paké c'mute, discontinued frame
nexus 8, the better redband version, and jtek bar end
>>933728
>I like the Vaya and LHT. Not sure about the Fuji, never ridden it.
I'm so confused. One thread I see people praising the LHT, and the next one has people disparaging it.
>>933830
looks awesome
not enough memes on your bike to get comments so here's one for (you)
>>933844
It's a great bike for touring and randonneuring. There's one person on /n/ that talks shit about Surly every chance he gets. Don't believe me? Do some research outside of /n/ on the LHT as a touring bike. It is one of the most popular bikes, if not the very most popular bike, for touring.
>>933764
Great pics. Makes me want even more to get into heavy touring. I do a lot of long distance riding/randonneuring but haven't had the chance to do any real touring yet.
>>933832
What bottle cage is that? I have a water bottle just like that but I don't know what kind of cage could hold that big of a bottle.
>tfw running out of water is one of very few issues I face on long rides, even when I bring 3-4 water bottles
>>933830
This looks amazing.
>tfw have never bikepacked
Were you riding on singletrack or gravel roads or what?
>>933844
The LHT is a great bike for loaded touring.
Some folks accuse Surly's complete bikes of being overpriced for the components they're spec'd with, but the bare frames are pretty well priced.
Some people accuse Surly of being a memebike company. These people have been on 4chan too long and have brain damage.
>>933728
Yep. Fenders are great on a commuter for shortish distances, but they're not going to keep you or your bike clean and dry while touring and riding all day through storms.
Velo Orange Campuer almost never comes up in discussion as much as the LHT. It seems like a better alternative. It also has a kickstand plate.
>>933832
this bike looks like it would be in a Belle and Sebastian video
>>933434
>no fenders
>weekend warrior
confirmed fag you tranny
>>933885
>Velo Orange Campuer almost never comes up in discussion as much as the LHT. It seems like a better alternative. It also has a kickstand plate.
Surly's lack of kickstand plates on the LHT is a damning thing
>>933885
>Velo Orange Campuer
Soma has some similarly priced options that I like too. I've heard some bad things about the double cross chainstays breaking, but that was a few years back
>>933854
Those are vélo orange retro cages
>>933854
I started carrying a 10L bladder in addition to 2.5L of water bottles. I don't always fill it, but it's useful as hell in places like pic related.
I'm considering getting a second if my next trip coalesces the way I want.
>>933948
One from two days later, riding just over a day without water access in 120F heat.
This area was one of the highlights of the trip. Carrying 10 kilos of water got me isolation and quiet like you wouldn't believe (and there are some pretty quiet spots in Alaska, Yukon and BC), wild horses, and a kickass bath in a hot spring which feeds Ruby Lake.
A more immersive panorama look: http://pnr.ma/dFhQJb
>loaded panniers
>>933846
Thanks anon
>>933856
Mostly backroads but occasionally singletrack. Had way too much of a load, trying to fix that now.
My Trek 520, currently building up a Surly Troll for more offroad oriented touring, as well as general mtb use
>>933728
>Brooks saddles are a meme, don't get one. Nice bike though.
they're not a meme. I have 3 of them on other bikes, and they're the most comfy thing I've ever sat on.
It's a personal preference.
Thought I'd give you folks a better rig shot because I've been stuck dreaming about touring for the past two days and I don't know any other way to scratch the itch in the immediate present.
Has anyone ever been so far as to use a mini vélo for touring ? Are 20" wheels uncomfortable ?
Mini vélos have big main triangle space for a big frame bag. They are also easy to pack for airport.
>>934204
I've heard of touring on recumbents and folding bikes, but never seen either on the road.
I'd recommend against skinny tires, but the small wheels shouldn't be a huge problem.
Unless you find some really detailed and encouraging advice though, buying one specifically for touring seems like a poor idea. If you have one for another reason, or more money than you know what to do with, go out for a weekend and find out.
Not on tour at the moment, but I just had the bike cleaned up, so here's a photo. Rivendell Atlantis that is an absolutely perfect bike in my opinion. If my panniers were on they would be Lone Peak.
I just got a Brooks B67 saddle, as it was the cheapest Brooks I could find. The bike is a lot of Shinano XT and Nitto.
>>934174
This looks real nice, have you posted your bike already in the thread?
>>934294
Yup. And now again, because I have lots of touring pictures.
>>934299
Where's this ?
>>934273
> moustache bars
> downtube shifters
U wot m8?
>>934311
Alaska, as is this.
>>934351
Thats fucking beautiful but how do you even ride w/ camping gear? I'd be dead of exhausion before i got there assuming you wear a pack.
>>934359
>loaded panniers
>>934351
Did you fly into Alaska and start touring around, or did you do it for real?
>>934299
I love dem taiga shrubs
I guess this might be the right thread to ask, what should I look for when buying a bike for longer distances? I want something I can ride for more than 100km before needing to take it to the shop.
I had a bike once that had huge problems with the gears and shifting, paid more for the repairs than the bike in the end, now I want something I can count on to go for a longer trip.
>>934414
Did tours on supermarke-bikes and never had major problems. Any bike will do if you can do upgrades/repairs yourself. There are dedicated touring bikes, but these are quite expensive. It also depends on what you want to do.
I'd say a hybrid with a decent rear derailleur will do the trick for paved roads. Look for Shimano deore or better.
If you want to go thousands of km without servicing, look into internal gear hubs. They are expensive as fuck tho. Also heavy.
>>934414
You want carbon fiber for its dampening properties.
And you want a narrow cassette so you can dial in the exact cadence you need, for pedaling comfort.
And the long cranks so you can have maximum leverage when climbing hills with luggage. Think 200mm cranks.
>>934359
~50 lbs of stuff in a bunch of bags. I sustain around 13 mph on flat land without wind. Going up long hills maybe 4-5. Going down steep hills I've clocked 45 mph.
>>934390
Flew to Anchorage, biked to Chihuahua, flew home. I guess I could have biked the whole thing, but I think 5000 miles is a long enough ride to feel like I did it 'for real'.
>>934406
Solitude is one of the best parts. Be smart and bear-safe and fall asleep to the wind, birds, mosquitoes or flowing water, thinking about your adventures in the past and future instead of worrying about how to make other people happy.
This is Jasper NP.
>>934475
How often did you wear your clothes between washings? Did you bath yourself each day? Did you feel dirty at times?
>>934475
Yeah, that's pretty damn real.
>>933890
I ride more than you faggot. If you actually rode during storms like me you'd get used to being wet and stop caring about a few drops of water.
>>934528
Go wallow in your mud pit and simmer down, buddy.
>>934528
found the cager who rides more than anyone else he knows because he has no friends
>>933434
How do you like those bottle cages? I heard you can eject bottles hitting bumps and shit
>>933643
I've been riding this for a few months. Mostly day trips but planning a 900 mile tour late spring. Working pretty well so far.
>>933651
This is wrong it has eyelets for a low rider mount. See pic. I have a jadds extreme front rack and it fit perfectly.
>People saying why use fenders for long distance if your going to get wet anyways.
I don't ever recall mud and road muck falling from the sky.
>>934547
They're great. The saddle mount bottle mounting bracket is separate from the bottle cages themselves, different brand and sold separate. The mount bracket is Minoura and I like it a lot. First I put standard bottle cages on it and it was terrible, constantly ejecting over every little bump. But I replaced the cages with Profile Design "Kage" which is designed to hold bottles more securely, and since switching to that they have never once ejected. You could easily jump curbs and probably even ride singletrack and they wouldn't eject.
Here's the one I have:
http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/Profile-Design/Profile-Design-Kage-Water-Bottle-Cage.axd
or
http://www.amazon.com/Profile-Design-PRO124-Kage/dp/B005FEOA98
(same thing, different site)
Btw, Profile Design has a bunch of styles of cages with "Kage" in the name, make sure to get the standard "Kage", not one of the other variants. The standard one has an elastic band to help hold the bottles in. I was kinda wary of that but they seem well designed and I have four and so far they've held up really well.
Alternatively, if you want to spend the money and save MUH GRAMS, this one will also do a great job of preventing bottle ejection:
http://www.amazon.com/XLAB-Gorilla-XT-Carbon-Cage/dp/B010VWX4FE
>>934414
What kind of riding do you want to do? Go out and ride 200km on the road in a day and finish back home? Do long off-road rides? Ride days on end with heavy loaded panniers?
If you just want to do long road rides, a good road bike (especially an "endurance road bike") should be a good option.
If it's more about adventure to you and you want to be self sufficient, have panniers and bags and such with spare clothes and a sleeping bag, do multi-day trips, ride a combination of pavement and occasional gravel/dirt, that kind of thing, then a Vaya or Long Haul Trucker would be good options to consider.
>>934406
Find a cute girl to go with you.
>>933988
Did that load happen to be... in panniers?
>>934521
>How often did you wear your clothes between washings?
It varied based on convenience. When I camped near a nice water source and the weather was warm I would give them a rinse, using soap occasionally. I think I used a washing machine twice in 3 months and change.
From AK through northern ID, I got to wash clothes around twice each week thanks to abundant water. Between the Snake River and Chihuahua I think I washed my clothes maybe twice, with weekly rinses if I was lucky. Picture is a 'lake' I found in Nevada. Arizona was not much better. The parts of Sonora and Chihuahua I was in weren't as deserty, but there still wasn't much accessible water. On the bright side, there was hardly any water in the air either, so dirt didn't stick.
As for my personal hygiene, it was slightly better, because I could rinse myself easily whenever I had a water source. I also swam whenever it was convenient to do so. I kept my face and head fairly clean and did a good job with my asshole because riding 80+ miles a day on a shitty rump is NOT fun, but I was content enough to continuously collect and sweat off a layer of dust on my arms and legs. Your mileage may vary, but I was comfortable enough for the most part. I accomplished my main goals of keeping my hair from getting filled with dandruff, preventing my ears from getting filled with wax and limiting my ass-chamois lube to sweat and water.
![Cannondale-Touring-1-Touring-Bike-2016[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Brm3ESL.jpg "Cannondale-Touring-1-Touring-Bike-2016[1].jpg")
should i buy this?
i have the $$$ and wanna get back into biking. my last bike was stolen 4 years ago and I've gotten rather out of shape since. Touring looks like a lot of fun, admittedly I've never gone more than 50km in a day but would love to take a long ride on the weekends.
Also I've never had a "nice" bike before, is it worth the money? Are touring bikes nice to use in the city for general travel too?
>>934589
It would be a pretty good general use bike, you could use it for most anything. A good quality bike is definitely worth investing in. Tourers are good in town, the only potential issue is it's a good chunk of money to leave chained up outside.
>>934591
Thanks for the info, I think i'll purchase it or something similar knowing that. Coincidentally i moved and have a safe place to keep a bike now so I wont need to worry about thieves anymore.
Dumb question but is there any special maintenance or care that needs to be taken with pricey bikes? Every previous one I've owned was sub $500 and was left outdoors year-round.
>>934592
put fenders on and keep your chain clean and you will be fine
>>934589
>Are touring bikes nice to use in the city for general travel too?
Kind of. An all-out touring bike won't be as fun or fast as other bikes because that's not what it's designed for. But if you're just doing weekend trips, you don't need a heavy touring bike. I would highly recommend a Salsa Vaya. It can accept racks and is kind of a cross between a cyclocross/commuter bike and a touring bike. I've ridden it and it's one of the most fun bikes I've ever ridden, it would make a perfect commuter, and it can easily be used for touring.
>>934592
Keep your bike inside. Clean and lubricate the drive train regularly. Air up your tires before every ride. Replace your chain every 1,000-3,000 miles ridden (whenever it stretches beyond 0.75%; if you stop by a LBS from time to time, they'll measure your chain for free).
>>934593
>fenders
Fuck off.
>>934597
I agree, you should use fenders if you want shit on the road to fuck off from you and your bike.
>>934559
Yes
where should I tour?
>>934597
a ''''cyclist'''' that doesn't have fenders is not a real cyclist
~sheldon brown
>>933434
nice
>>934666
check out adventure cycling association
Would I look like a complete faggot if I wore a Shemagh scarf on my tour?
>>934670
you're a cyclist, no one bats an eye at you.
>>934666
>>934669
Adventure Cycling has some nice stuff, but I highly recommend considering off-route detours at every opportunity. I've done two of their routes and one long trip on my own plan and had some great experiences off the beaten path, such as seeing full rainbows.
Also, if you've never toured, go out for a few shorter trips close to home to figure out how well your equipment works for you.
You won't run into absolutely everything in a weekend, but you can figure out the convenient way to arrange your gear, how far you can ride in a day with your gear, how well you sleep in your tent/sleeping bag/whatever, how much the dirt bothers you, how easy it is to cook your food with your stove, if your lack of fenders is a problem when it rains, etc.
>>934670
Enjoy your Cuban vacation, freedom hater!
>>934670
I'd use a buff instead
>>934706
Good idea.
>>934589
Don't buy this one. Its gears are way too high for touring.
>>934717
I guess he could replace parts, but yeah, don't try to carry gear up a mountain without a triple unless you've got much stronger legs than me.
I love me some 44/32/22.
more touring pics
I don't get this load panniers meme
>>934564
Micro wool T shirts are not a meme. They really don't get stinky. Black is actually the best color. Sweat will evaporate fast
The micro wool underwear is a meme. It's not strong enough and will rip quickly. Ex officio boxer briefs are highly recommended by me. You can wash them in a sink and they will dry in hours
Bring baby wipes for your butt and pits. Nothing like riding with four days of dirt and sweat on you with a shiny clean butt hole that doesn't itch
>>934680
Enjoy your cut penis, good goy
>>934743
>wearing underwear
>>934666
I hear a sun tour is pretty nice
>>934743
Maybe I've been happy with my minimal washing because I wear a wool shirt and wool bib shorts or knickers. No underwear. When I started touring with normal synthetics I recall them being stinkier. Ibex shit is expensive and kind of fragile, but it's soo comfortable and odor resistance makes a difference over the course of months.
>>934736
Crossing from the rainy west side of the Cascades to the east (pictured) was one of the best touring moments I've had. The ecstasy from the warm and dry lasted for days.
>>933871
The LHT frame may be good but the actual bike is massively overpriced and has awful components.
>>934738
Some people take issue with the fact that people say "loaded panniers" instead of simply "panniers" under the pretext that saying "loaded" is unnecessary and obvious. However, they are wrong because sometimes people ride with empty panniers, for example, on their way to the store, or so they can store their clothes if they get hot and take off layers.
Does somebody have that picture album of a dude who was planning a touring trip, with all the contents on the floor? He was packing absurd shit like a whole bottle of cooking oil, a full set of pans, stuff like that. The last picture was of his broken frame, he didn't realize a chainstay was about to give until he loaded all his shit.
It was on imgur, I think.
>>935031
Sounds like that saved him. Would suck if you only lightly load it and it breaks in the middle of nowhere.
>>935033
I've never just hitchhiked, but I've had a pretty easy time getting a ride 4(?) times in my touring career. I guess I've never had to try in the middle of the middle of nowhere, but on the outskirts or nowhere, people (in my limited experience) have been trusting and helpful.
Maybe I'll have to go out and break my bike if I ever want to rape and/or kidnap someone.
>>935031
Sounds like an absolute nightmare. Imagine being that guy from 'The Road From Karakol' and your bike brakes in the middle of nothing in Shitholeistan.
I just got this Surly Cross-Check two weeks ago. I am new to biking and I use it to commute to work. I am trying to build some endurance up before I do any touring. If anyone could recommend me some nice looking water proof panniers, that would be awesome.
>>935168
>surly
inb4 autism rage
as for the panniers, nobody ever regrets buying ortlieb
>>935168
>Surly Cross-Check
Excellent choice, great bike.
>If anyone could recommend me some nice looking water proof panniers, that would be awesome.
What size do you want? I would recommend Banjo Brothers, they're affordable yet almost as good as the really expensive ones, and there's no need to spend hundreds of dollars on panniers if you're not touring. I have the Banjo Brothers "waterproof backpack panniers" which can convert between pannier and backpack, I love them. They're 20 liters each so to have two of those might be a lot more carrying capacity than you need, in which case I would still recommend something from Banjo Brothers.
Ortlieb is great as other anon said, but imo not worth the money for commuting. If you were going to be doing long distance multi-day/multi-week tours that would be different. For commuting Banjo Bros is just as good.
Do people even need waterproof panniers ? Are people diving with their bikes or what. What about just water resistant fabric + rain cover.
>>935372
Take it from someone who used cheap panniers with rain covers for ~4000 miles. I had wet clothes from one bag and soppy cardboard boxes of food from another. I remember one box of pasta without an inner plastic bag disintegrated leaving me with a pannier full of elbows.
Long story short, they don't work. Sure, they can stop rain from the outside, but it can come in from the wheel/frame. They might be a passable short-term solution, but if you're spending 24 hours a day outdoors, relying on those panniers to keep your shit dry for at least 12 of them, it's worth some extra money to make them work reliably.
Also, if you're touring in bear country, one of your panniers is probably going to need to spend nights hanging from a tree like so, which is annoying enough without needing to worry about balancing it in such a way that the rain cover is actually oriented correctly.
>>935378
If you're a casual commuter then it shouldn't matter too much. I think your situation was fairly unique hardcore touring.
>>935378
>Sure, they can stop rain from the outside, but it can come in from the wheel/frame.
This is what fenders are for lel
>>935383
I assumed the subject was touring given the topic of the thread. If you're commuting, you could get away with a backpack and a rain jacket.
>>935172
>ortlieb
I regret getting the OG vinyl ones instead of the newer, lighter cordura ones.
Also, over the past five years, touring, commuting, etc some of the plastic hardware has broken. Almost always in <10F temps though. The plastic just gets brittle and cracks.
But other than that they've been solid.
>>935384
>posting the fenders meme again
Filthy casual.
>>935571
Your shitposting is putrid, senpai
>>935614
>senpai
Back to Japan, weaboo.
>>935571
got raped by fenders when you were a kid senpai?
>>935624
Fenders killed my dog
>>935634
humans are mostly water so by your logic you are being raped right now
>>934717
the gearing is fine for touring, the rear cogs are mega-huge and the big ring is fine for going down hill
>>935666
why don't people just coast downhill, i don't understand
>>935672
>being casual
>>935672
>gotta go fast
and the big ring can still be used on slight decents where it is impractical to coast
>>934736
29er turned ultimate utility bike. Mosso fork, Jones bars, Brooks saddle, Planet Bike fenders, Topeak super tourist rack, Schwalbe fat frank tires and sealed bearings everywhere. 3x7/8 cause shit is cheap and available.
>>934736
I want to go back to Death Valley, one of the best places I've been.
>>935680
degenerate
>>935685
Why? What's wrong with capability?
>>935682
absolutely gorgeous.
you composed the shot quite well, too. like a Rothko.
>>935682
How much water did you carry?
>>935698
none
>>935725
You went to the driest place in NA by bicycle without water?
My more traditional rando bike. 86 Univega frameset, mish-mash of parts.
There's too much happiness and positivity in this thread. What was your worst touring experience?
>>935784
its the driest place in the galaxy and i went there with no water because i am a sand monster
>>935784
Jk I'm fucking with you
i didn't go by bicycle i went by foot, and i died of anti-drown and now i am a gosht posting
>>935680
I'm actually feeling it. Not even a little mad.
>>936280
Probably riding up a dirt road in southern OR.
It had rained recently and there were a lot of mosquitoes. It was hot to the point that I chose not to wear my (warm) long-sleeve shirt, pants, full-fingered gloves, etc. I was unable to outpace them going uphill with all my gear. I tried to use one hand to kill them a few times, a couple of which resulted in me slapping myself hard enough that I lost my balance and fell. I didn't have any bug spray because I was a moron.
>>933646
I was about to call you out on the comfort before I read. Imean whatever works dude.
In arizona right now
What do you do with a touring bike when you want to pop into a shop or go for a shower at a campsite etc?
Just leave it locked up with a cable lock or something and hope nobody rummages through your bags?
>>936487
I'd like to hear some answers to this too.
>>936426
Nice, how far are you going?
>>936499
All the way
>>936487
>>936496
I don't tour, but I do long rides where I sometimes have to leave my bike. I lock my bike with a u-lock or folding lock (maybe not ideal for touring cause of the weight), I lock my panniers to my rack with a ski lock (link below) and take any valuables from the panniers with me. I have backpack panniers so sometimes I wear one pannier with valuables (tools, wallet), and leave the other pannier with less valuable stuff (clif bars, clothes) on my bike locked to my bike rack.
This is the lock I use to lock my panniers to my rear rack: http://www.evo.com/locks/dakine-micro-lock.aspx
Obviously easy to cut, not enough to lock a bike, but probably enough to deter someone from stealing a pannier. Of course they could still rummage through it.
>>936426
Couple of questions.
Are those solar panels worth it?
What brand are those seatpost water cages? I can't find any good cages for my brooks.
>>936501
How do you take 4 panniers, handlebar bag, tent, sleeping bag etc etc with you?
>>936487
Yes, but put the valuables in handlebar bag and bring it with me. Campgrounds are usually safe, have seen people leave their smartphones in the bathroom overnight to charge. Probably wouldn't leave my bike unattended for a long period of time in a city. Could always leave it at a warmshowers host or in a hotel if you wanted a night on the town.
>>936504
This.
I've been wondering this too. Since I have 4 panniers and a tent lashed to my bike. Like if I wanted to restock on food at a store how can I be sure my shit is safe.
Do people allow bikes to be stored or brought inside?
>>936487
A cable lock (or something else flexible) is a must because a U lock doesn't fit around trees or most other things you happen to find when you need to lock your bike.
As for protecting baggage, when I'm in a sketchy area I'll carry my handlebar bag with my wallet, phone and camera. I'll also fit my lock through my front wheel and pannier straps which makes it inconvenient, but not impossible to open them.
I've also put a rope (which I carry to hang my food pannier from trees to protect it from bears) through the rear panniers to make it still more inconvenient.
>>936500
To Florida? California? Alaska? Tierra del Fuego? The moon?
>>936504
>warmshowers
What are the chances of getting raped using warmshowers?
>>936502
They're good if you only need to charge a smartphone but not nearly as convenient as a hub Dynamo.
>>936502
I'm not the guy you asked, but in my experience, solar panels' value depends on what electronics you use.
A DSLR uses next to nothing if you keep the screen off. A full battery lasts me over a thousand pictures.
What a phone uses depends on the phone and what you do with it. In my case, I prefer to leave mine off 99% of the time, letting people know that I'm still alive once a week or so.
When I started touring I carried only these and needed to stop for a recharge twice in 2500 miles (both times for the phone).
When I started using more power, I found a small solar panel quite useful. First and foremost, it let me avoid civilization entirely, except for buying food. I could also feel comfortable using my phone to check my email more and using an e-reader instead of hoping that I would run into a worthwhile read at the next library/general store/etc I found after finishing the previous one.
Product endorsements and personal information ahead:
The big reason I used one was to power my continuous glucose monitor, which I found enormously useful as a type 1 diabetic touring. It's quite difficult to judge whether I've become 30%, 50% or 80% more sensitive to insulin following days or weeks of continuous exercise.
For the fairly modest amount of power I needed on a regular basis, I found that my Freeloader Pro met my needs quite well. The company also mailed me a replacement part for free, no questions asked, which I thought warranted an advertisement.
If you want to use your smartphone to shitpost on 4chan and watch videos on the road, or otherwise use more juice, you probably want something bigger and waterproof.
>>936517
Doesn't a DSLR take up a lot of room?
>>936503
Read my fucking post and stop being an illiterate faggot. I said that's what I do during long rides, not during touring. And I also said that I don't bring everything with me, only my valuables, and leave the less valuable stuff in a pannier locked to my rear rack. Fuck do you guys not even have basic reading comprehension?
>>936529
>getting this angry
>>936522
I make it work. Honestly, weight and volume aren't huge constraints while touring, at least not the same way they are when backpacking. You can't ignore them entirely, but if you want a DSLR, or a tripod, or a pan, or a foldable camp chair or pretty much any other minor addition to your kit, one or two of them is not going to be deal breaking.
In my case, my handlebar bag is where I keep my electronics and the current map. If I wanted to carry an extra lens or two or something else, I could buy a bigger one.
>>936535
Fair enough.
Do you stop much for pictures? Do you think it adds to the experience or gets in the way looking for good places for a photo?
>>936536
I enjoy it. I'm not a professional, but I think a bunch of my pictures have turned out well. On two long trips I've taken ~1700 pictures each, although a disproportionate number of those happen when I stop for hiking side trips. Probably on the order of a picture per 5 miles or so when I'm on my bike.
Some of them are panoramas like this one, which took something like 10 shots. I think a lot of them give you a good idea of what it was like to be there. If nothing else, they make nice desktop backgrounds for me, and let me remember the feelings I was having when I was in the area.
>>936536
Also, I think looking at scenery witch a photographers eye makes me stop to appreciate it a bit more than I otherwise might, in this photo and the previous one. Maybe it's a personal problem, but I think I'd have a harder time convincing myself to just get off my bike for a couple minutes and bask in the beauty and majesty of the world I'm passing through without my camera.
When I took this
>>936517
I was happy to have an excuse to stop because I didn't want to look like I was dying going up Trail Ridge Road, even if my lungs really weren't ready for it.
>>936530
>getting this butthurt at someone calling you out on your illiteracy
>>936314
Thanks. It's basically a pedal-powered Leatherman: it can do basically anything competently, but it only excels in being mediocre at everything. It's not wicked fast on the road, it's not the best off-road, and it isn't terribly light, but it is fucking rock-solid and stone-reliable. I'm currently having shifting issues, but it's because the shifters have seen 4 years and 60,000 miles of all-weather all-terrain riding. It needs a new drivetrain and brake pads, too.
>>936314
Have another photo, because you were nice to me.
>>936573
>because you were nice to me
I'm getting them warm fuzzies, anons
Would a fast and decently protected road tire on wider rim give a quality ride for randonneur type riding on bad roads? Just tested if 28 tire and 30 mm rim is a good combination.
i wanna go touring from alberta to saskatchewan this summer, which should be downhill and prairies
i have a 700c wheel with nexus 8 IGH
do you think i can tour with it geared with a 25t cog and a 42t chainring or should i spend big money getting a derailleur drivetrain?
i have a jtek bar end shifter so indexing is much more precise than POS shimano shifter
>tldr: nexus 8 touring or no it'll explode?
>>936715
Yes, it would.
I'd not recommend that combination though. Those "28mm" tyres are actually <26mm on a standard road rim. You could go with the GP4k2 instead. They're much wider than their advertised nominal size, even if the rest of the Conti line-up has a reputations for being small.
The "25mm" are 28mm on a 19/23mm (IW/OW) rim. The 28mm is said to be closer to 30mm.
Can confirm from personal experience that they're very comfortable on rough asphalt with meme-wide road rims, and corner well.
If you want a comfortable rim I can recommend the Velocity A23. My Pancettis are already very smooth, but the A23s' on the tourer are like cycling on clouds, even on dirt roads and gravel.
Bonus points for an asymmetric rim option(!) and low price. Minus for burr and loose shrapnel from the drillings.
>>936718
>'that combination' being the 30mm rim in the pic.
You risk the tyre blowing off with a bang. Modern, "wide" 19mm inner road/touring rims are awesome.
>>936717
I doubt it will explode.
15 seconds on google tells me your 8 speed IGH lets you increase your ratio about 3x, so you'd have something like
1.68 -> 5.16
I spend most of my flat time using a 16 or 18t cog and 32t chainring on 700c wheels. I've used my whole range of 22/32 to 44/11 in the mountains, with ratios like this:
0.69 -> 4.00
but if your trip is as down/flat as you hope, you surely won't need as big a range. I can't imagine using a ratio that high though. I've clocked 45 mph going downhill in 44/11 and that was pretty scary. If I were you, I'd use a smaller chainring.
Obviously, you aren't me, so the best way to be sure would be to take your bike out for a 2-day tour on a weekend before you leave and see how your ratios treat you.
>>936732
My fear is over torquing my IGH with low gear. 42t front 25t rear is already outside specs of the hub.
>>936736
Call Shimano and ask. I would not want to carry camping gear uphill with the 2.1 minimum ratio they suggest, even a short one.
>>936750
It's not anywhere near 2:1 because lowest gear is not direct drive. Fifth gear might be direct drive on an eightspeed. Assuming that and a 300% range the lowest gear may be around 1:1.
I'd still not want to tour on a Nexus. Even less on the kind of bike that might come with one.
>>936715
Maxxis refuse is coming out in 700X40c, sounds bretty good
>>933988
that load, wtf
should belong on a motorcycle
>>936562
delete this
>>936778
>I'd still not want to tour on a Nexus. Even less on the kind of bike that might come with one.
You don't talk about my bike that way !
This is probably a /bqg/ thing but anyone try Carradice bags? Are they worth the money? I am planning a ride from Phoenix to San Diago late this year or early next. Pic related is going to be the bike I ride.
>>936790
Trying to win the lottery. Probably get a campervan, get a mtb, get a road bike, get mountaineering gear, get a kayak, get backpacking gear... And tour the world. Until then, I'm stuck hauling everything around on my bicycle.
>>936849
just get some fucking ortleibs like everyone else.
>>934273
what's the deal with that rack? why are teh raincatchers pointed up?
>>936877
Bullhorns for the baby in the back
>>933952
Wow man that is amazing.how do you deal with the isolation mentally?
>>936541
oh my god, I've got to go to america.
>>936905
>How do you deal with the isolation mentally?
I'm not much of a people person to begin with, so it might be less of an issue for me than for someone who is accustomed to spending a large fraction of their time talking or otherwise interacting with people.
I spend some of my time reading, either by paperback or ebook, some of it on photography and some of it writing in a journal at the end of each day. The rest of my time is spent dealing with biking, food or shelter. At the end of the day, I don't have much time to feel lonely.
I've found that I have better interactions with strangers while traveling than normally. For example, two days before I took that picture, I had a nice chat with the campground host at Ruby Lake, Nevada. He gave me a ride to a hot spring that night, which kicked ass.
>>936909
We certainly have our flaws, but America is near the top of the list when it comes to number and diversity of outdoorsy places, many of which are accessible by bike.
>2011+5
>Not having fenders in the Twin Cities
What do you guys normally eat in a day? How often do you stop to snack?
I have a multiday trip coming up and I'm still afraid of the bonk.
>>936790
I actually think you can have more luggage on a bicycle than a motorbike.
>>937052
>no cooking required:
Bread, bagels, wraps, croissants, danishes, peanut butter, jam, nutella, cookies, avocados, carrots, bananas, oranges, apples, canned fish, jerky, sunflower seeds, home brew trail mix, pepperonis, granola, and nuts. Canned beans, canned soup, canned pasta, etc, all edible cold but they are heavy to carry. Treat yourself at restaurants and food trucks now and then.
cooking required:
ramen, lentils, rice, coffee, oatmeal, fresh roadkill, bring a fishing pole...
If you're in bear territory make sure you hang your food away from you, or bring a canister. Raccoons and squirrels will chew right thru a pannier.
>>933871
Jesus, haven't posted in months only to read this absurd shit that forces me to post and not allow this retard Surly shill to manipulate naive lurkers.
Surly
Is
Garbage
Get the fuck over it already it's straight shit
3
year
warranty
Industry standard for ALL QUALITY BRANDS include lifetime warranty on frames (aside from Carbon frames as expected)
3
year
warranty
High ratio of claims for such a small opportunity for warranty repair
Fuck this guy
>Yep. Fenders are great on a commuter for shortish distances, but they're not going to keep you or your bike clean and dry while touring and riding all day through storms.
This person is literal cancer.
Keep on keeping on /n/; keep stopping reddit/Surly shills from coming here with their marketing bullshit so they feel better about their overpriced shit frame.
>>937052
>breakfast
oatmeal, grits, pancakes (or at least pancake mix)
>"lunch" (read: food between breakfast and dinner)
peanut butter, raisins, crackers, bread, non-dried fruit shortly after buying food
>dinner
Any just-add-water meal.
>>937069
Terk and the like might offer lifetime warranties, but good fukken luck getting them to honor them.
It's pretty standard for smaller companies like Surly to only offer 3y warranties. All City, VO, and Soma are the same. More expensive framesets from Waterford or Rivendell or Breadwinner or whomever are basically lifetime against manufacturing defects, but you're paying out the nose for that. If there are manufacturing defects you're probably going to run into them in your first month or two of riding, anyway, unless you ride 3 miles a week or some shit.
>High ratio of claims for such a small opportunity for warranty repair
[citation needed]
>>937117
Trek is excellent at honoring warranties. Surly has extremely vague warranty conditions, and is known for rejecting warranty claims, claiming abuse.
>All City
Literally the same parent company. Which also happens to be a huge company, the biggest distributor in the US.
>VO
Frames aren't even a primary part of their business.
>Soma
At least the frames are better that Surly.
>If there are manufacturing defects you're probably going to run into them in your first month or two of riding
This is not true at all. A weld impurity or a bad HAZ can reduce fatigue life, but it still takes time for it to fatigue and crack. Keep in mind the Pugsley had a high fatigue failure rate because of poor design, but this only showed up after a number of years.
>High ratio of claims for such a small opportunity for warranty repair
This used to be on their website until they realized that less than 1% warranty rate (within a 3 year window, and only accepted warranty claims) is actually pretty bad. It should be well under 0.1% (1-in-1000 units)
They removed it from their site but an email some guy got from Surly, here
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/forum/board/message/?thread_id=155467&page=1
Confirms the 1% figure.
http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/fullyloaded
surly haters look through there until you get over yourselves
>>937144
What's your point?
Surly is the poor-mans touring frameset. It's pretty much the cheapest tour framseset-only option since many of the more economical touring bikes are only sold as completes.
>>937146
That the vast majority of tourists ride LHT so they must be excellently suited for touring. Also looking through those photos for a while is gonna make you feel good and want to go touring
>>937146
How do you feel about the REI house brand and their new partner Traitor?
>>937150
I'm worried about kitting out a bike in these type of bags--these are what are known as bikepacking bags, right?
everything is so high up it seems like it would alter the center of gravity uncomfortably, maybe mess with cornering. particularly on a lightweight roadie with a straight fork, or maybe that pic is meant as a joke?
>>937069
Fuck off and kill yourself. I'm serious. Literally kill yourself.
Everyone ignore this person, he is literally the worst person on /n/ and everything he said is wrong. Surly is great and fenders are fucking retarded on a touring bike. This fucktard dumbass literally thinks fenders will keep you and your bike clean and dry when riding during a storm. His incompetence is incomprehensible.
>>937069
And yes, I'm mad. If you are a troll then well done, 10/10. Your incompetence makes me more mad than anything I've ever read on /n/ before. And I've been here for longer than most of you.
>>937210
well you're half right
The water kicked up by your wheels is much worse for your bicycle than the clean rain falling from the sky. If you ride in wet conditions without fenders, your chain, derailers and brakes will all get sprayed with sandy, muddy, scummy water, often mixed with gasoline residue. This is very bad for these parts.
-my man Sheldon
I think there's a couple dudes ITT that need to take a nap.
>>937220
>The water kicked up by your wheels is much worse for your bicycle than the clean rain falling from the sky. If you ride in wet conditions without fenders, your chain, derailers and brakes will all get sprayed with sandy, muddy, scummy water, often mixed with gasoline residue. This is very bad for these parts.
-Me.
Shit's fucking true as hell, I have fenders on both my tourer and commuter/beater/citybike. I can't imagine not having them, if not saving the bike from getting shitty, saving my ass from having a trail of road grime on it.
Fuck anyone who says fenders don't have a use. I do happen to have bikes without fenders though. I don't ride them in the rain or slop if I can help it though.
>>937150
>That the vast majority of tourists ride LHT
Gonna need a citation there.
I own 2 surlys, but my touring rig is not a surly. Not saying they aren't great bikes, but the 'vast majority of tourists' is a bit of an overzealous statement.
I want to ride the Sierra Cascades Bike route. I need to plan my vacation at work. What's the best month to do this? Late April or May?
>>937150
>vast majority
kek
>>937164
REI has their return policy you can abuse even if the manufacturer warranty is limited. REI store policy is return at any time for a manufacturing defect.
>If your item has a manufacturing defect in its materials or workmanship, you can return it at any time. Many of our items also have a separate warranty from the manufacturer, and you can also return any of those items that don’t meet the manufacturer's warranty.
>>937144
Okay mate go spend £1000 on a bike with £100 hybrid tier components and no kickstand.
>>937316
I did it N to S, starting in mid June and ending in early August.
My only advice as far as timing goes is to hit northwestern Washington later than me. It was still raining and pretty miserable until I cleared the cascades (pic related). Most of the California leg is high enough that heat wasn't a huge issue.
Also, I hope you like hills. As I recall (and it's been a few years) I averaged a ~2% uphill grade over ~2500 miles which comes out to around a quarter of a million feet gained.
>>937343
unfortunately I won't be doing the whole route. I just don't have the vacation for that. I am planning on riding from the cascade locks to Truckee. I don't mind climbing. Do you think a 11-34 cassette and a 48/36/26T triple in the front will be good enough gearing? And tips for that specific section I am taking? Is it pretty?
>>937347
I was using a 48/36/26 at the time, and it was effective enough for the most part. After molding my body to climb mountains for a few weeks, the only hill I suffered on was south of where you're looking at (and that was due to length rather than steepness).
I think eastern WA was my favorite part, at least after I escaped the rain. The national parks in CA were nice, but I didn't like all of the human interaction they led to. In WA I got freshly harvested cherries sold by the sides of the road, gorgeous vistas, a lovely ride along the Colombia south of Ellensburg and no trouble finding National Forest to camp in (although I didn't have much at any point). Picture is somewhere around Lake Chelan.
OR was pretty nice too in terms of camping and lack of people. I also still regret being rained off of Mount Rainier.
Also, my first day in CA, I stopped at a campsite to grab some water. I hadn't been using sunglasses because it rained a lot in northern WA and a bit in central OR and was otherwise cloudy and mountainous enough to protect me from the sun. Not so in southern OR or northern CA. Anyhow, I stopped at this campsite and within seconds, this scruffy looking guy shuffled up to me and asked me if I had drugs, assuming that the red lines in my eyes were so caused.
This type off thing might not bother you as much as it did me, but between that and people in San Diego coming out of their buildings and telling me I couldn't sit on what looked like public fountains in front of their businesses gave me a really shitty impression of the people of CA.
>>937358
Sweet man thanks for the info.
Got a picture of your setup?
>>937359
Probably 60% of the pictures in this thread are mine, but my equipment has changed over time. Here's my bike in front of Crater Lake from that trip.
my dad
>>937364
it has fenders and yet it is dirty
does he just not clean his bike ever or something?
>>937364
really?? because when i checked those LEL photos that guy was definitely the coolest one
>>937347
do you even need 11?
i'm thinking something tighter like a 13-34 or 14-34 would be more pleasant, but nobody makes those cassettes except custom stuff
>>937405
If you want a tight cassette you do it the other way around and end up with MegaRange. It's basically an 11-28 casette, where the 28 cog is actually a 34. Looks weird as fuck, but shifts better than you'd exect and is as tight as you can reasonably expect, right up until you need that ultra low climbing gear. Then that's just there too.
I don't think they make them for more than eight speed, but it's dead easy to roll your own as it's only one cog you replace, it's at the "right" end of the cassette, and you don't have to worry about screwed up ramp alignment and the like. Doesn't matter with that big a jump anyway.
>>937405
I've never used 48/11 while touring, but I have used 44/11 after changing my chainring.
Honestly, 44/13 or even 44/15 has been enough for touring. Beyond that, it's mostly just me feeling like going faster down fairly steep hills.
>>937382
>>933913
Thanks anon
>>937412
megarange brofist
My new setup. Can't wait to try it out in a month.
Thoughts?
>>937528
ooOOOOoooo,,,aaaAAAAAAAaaaa!
>>937528
Pack less, you will enjoy it more, believe me. The only thing I have ever regretted during and after a tour is packing so much stuff. even if you think its necessary, often its not, and you will have a better time with less stuff to keep track of and organise on a daily basis
Also, remove the plastic chainguard, it looks terrible
Otherwise thats a really nice bike, I was due to buy one when they released that colourway but ended up with a Trek 520 disc instead, kinda prefer the more classic geo of the fuji desu
>>937551
Yeah I don't think I am going to fill everything up. That front trunk bag was bigger than expected. Are you talking about the front guard or the cassette one?
>>937528
If you plan to ride in rainy places, you probably don't want your pump sitting on the outside. Pumps require seals which don't like getting covered with water and filth, especially in variable temperatures.
I say this from experience.
>>937562
Ah good idea. There is plenty of room inside the bags.
>>937554
Yea, that looks like an awful lot of volume, im always confused when i see touring cyclists sporting 4 panniers and a trunk bag, and a trailer/extrawheel, for me the idea of touring is to be mobile, and to spend some time enjoying a less cluttered lifestyle, packing your wardrobe, a guitar and the kitchensink seems so redundant
Yea im talking about the front guard, i guess if you think it serves a purpose you could leave it on
>>937528
What front rack is this, i like the look of it, also consider a downtube cage for more water storage or a bladder
>>937528
a minor point
this may not apply under the weight of loaded panniers, and your bar may not allow clearance, but
I've noticed that running a trunk oriented like that messes with my steering a lot more than with it oriented cross-ways. YMMV
looks like you're ready for some fun!
I notice none of y'all with front panniers are running a wheel-stabilizer. gotta say I love mine on my city grocery-getter. why fight that load all day?
>>935666
>the gearing is fine for touring, the rear cogs are mega-huge and the big ring is fine for going down hill
Front is a 50x34 compact, rear is 11x34. The lowest gear is 27 gear/inches which is downright pathetic if you wish to tour with any kind of load.
>>937363
Crater Lake is a beautiful place, but it reminds me. What's the current status of walking threads on /n/? I browse /n/, but if there were walking threads, I'd be able to actually post and contribute. I've walked in many interesting places.
>>937220
Only an issue if you don't clean your drive train when it's dirty
>>937279
No one here is arguing that fenders don't have a use. We're arguing that fenders are pointless on a touring bike and pointless for anyone that isn't a casual fair weather cyclist. They're great for ultra casual fair weather cyclists afraid of puddles.
>>936502
bottle cages are minora. They have alot of problem solver type products.
Solar panels work good. I have 2 goal zero nomad 7 panels. One would be enough for a phone with decent battery life but I got a good deal on the second one.
>>937624
>What's the current status of walking threads on /n/?
I won't claim to be an expert, but aren't they /out/ territory now?
>>937640
Damn, that's unfortunate.
While I like walking and hiking outdoors, I'm probably a little more utilitarian than /out/ might be.
Then again, I am making assumptions: I've only been to /out/ once.
>>937503
>>937628
Come on dude this is the kind of absurdly contrarian opinion you should just keep to yourself. Going on about it is going to make you look back on this foolishness with great shame. I don't think you'd be trying to convince anyone of your ridiculous ideas if you weren't unsure of them yourself.
>>937608
http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXT
>>937674
Yea I know, i own a surly nice and am really impressed with it, however i find it does flex a bit when there is load on top, otherwise its the bees knees
my "color by numbers" faux-Riv bike. I certainly didn't break away from the norm for this build, but I really like it.
I took this photo while visiting Utah in January. Climb up was nice. Descent was chilly. I am glad that I no longer have to use studded tires.
>>933834
Yoo nice MEC merino clydesdale jersey!
Beautiful bike as well.
This is an S Works Epic Ultimate we road with entering Montreal. Carbon tubing, aluminum lugged, full xtr. The owner apparently has two
>>937703
Urbanite on the left, and an MEC Cote on the right.
>>937704
don't you think those panniers on the front might be a tad high?
>>937703
Wish they still made the mec Clydesdale jersey. It wasn't merino so it felts up the longer you sweat in it, making it more windproof with time. I didn't wash it for the longest time but then when I machine washed it once it shrunk a whole lot.
>>937711
looks like maybe he bought a front rack with no lowrider rail.
im not into touring but curious, hence the noob question:
how much distance does someone usually cover in a day? if you wanna be moving every day with no rest days and carry something like 20kg of stuff? lets say road has minor climbs and descents, nothing really big. usual stuff. pavement. thonksssssss
>>937865
>how much distance does someone usually cover in a day?
Depends on how long your days are. 100-150km is comfort zone territory. If you push yourself you could double it.
>>937865
I've never tried exactly what you specified, but I average around 130 km over months, not counting days I stop to hike, with around 23 kg of stuff.
It depends a lot on what the world gives you though. I've done as much as 250 km in favorable conditions and as little as 100 (again, just days when I don't feel like I can go further, not days when I chose to do things off-bike)
Different people do it differently though. I saw a movie of a guy who did 200 every day, and I've met plenty of people who are more comfortable planning 100 km days. Even if you're enough of a badass to spend 10 hours a day in the saddle, you may find out that you don't particularly like searching for a spot to camp, cooking, setting up your tent, finding/filtering drinkable water and doing all the other non-pedaling tasks which come with touring by dark.
I try to avoid stealth camping when I don't have daylight to judge exactly how hidden/safe a spot is, especially when I'm not on National Forest, BLM land or somewhere else I actually have a legal right to be.
