>makes Trek
>makes Pinarello
>makes Bianchi
>makes pretty much everything
>also makes its own carbon fibre
>Best road frame on the market is the TCR Advanced SL0
You can pay more money, but you ain't getting a better frame. Just a different paintjob.
>Best endurance frame on the market is the Defy Advanced SL0
Just as race bred as the TCR, only difference is 1cm higher headtube, 1cm in on the reach. Whereas the Synapse and Roubaix are 100% geriatric fred bikes
>Best aero frame on the market is the Propel Advanced SL0
Same geometry as the TCR but shaped to be aero.
Giant wins again.
>only problem is the paintjob
Was this supposed to be a response to a comment in an existing thread, or did you just have a grand mal attack in the form of a post?
>>903734
was just sharing the facts, m8
>>903729
they own the factory that makes Treks, Pinarello, Scott, various alibaba specials, etc. who contract work to the factory.
they're not owners of those companies though.
Rabobank Giants are the best Giants.
>>903729
the stiffest bikes are made by velocite, the most aero by cervelo, the best value by rose, canyon, and felt.
Just leave.
>>903752
are they comfortable? didn't think so.
flexmonsters
>never said shit about value
if you cared about value, you'd walk because that's cheap as fuck, lad.
>owns factory that makes other brands' frames
>still cant make a good bike
You are either asian or poor. Please go
>>903729
>makes Trek
The midrange Treks, but not the top of the line Treks.
>makes Pinarello
No, it's true that the layup is done in Taiwan, but not by Giant.
>makes Bianchi
Yes, which is by Bianchi is hipster shit.
>makes pretty much everything
Actually, they don't. Merida has a very large OEM market share, not as large as Giant, but still very large. The best known brand they manufacture is Specialized. Fuji and bikesdirect are known to use Kinesis frames.
Giant is the largest, but not the sole Taiwanese OEM.
>also makes its own carbon fibre
They do not, they weave their won carbon fiber cloth from spools of carbon fiber..
>giant frames
Giant actually does very little R&D, and they won't infringe on the R&D of the companies they OEM to, because they don't want to lose contracts, which means Giant's technology is usually a step behind. They make too much money as an OEM to risk pissing off their corporate customers. What they get in return is they get to reap the benefits of R&D without doing much R&D because lots of designs pass through their hands, as long as they are careful not to step on people's toes. That's why Giant always maintains a distinct second tier and not cutting edge flavor.
Most of Giant's unique innovations are not very good, things like compact geometry and integrated seat masts.
>>903748
Alibaba specials do not come from Giant owned factories. That's just wishful thinking. There are actual counterfeit factories, using counterfeit molds to make counterfeit frames, probably next door to the counterfeit Rolex factory. Giant's factories require a large OEM purchase, and they won't step on the toes of their clients by making knock-offs.
>>903768
Canyon has amazing value because they are direct to consumer, but unlike BikesDirect, they actually try to make good bikes.
>>903830
>comfort doesn't matter
found the weekend cyclist
>>903831
>he needs a 25 cm headtube and babby reach to be comfortable
awwww, how cute
there's something called core training son, try it some time
>>903830
Stubby seatpost is not the same as an ISP, and there were bikes before BH that had stubby posts.
>>903835
yeah but BH were the first to use actual ISP's iirc
and who mentioned stubby posts?
>>903836
Show me the model and year. If I remember correctly, BH's design was an extended seat tube that went far past the toptube junction, but still used a rather conventional clamp design.
>>903838
Here, checked again, BH briefly did use an actual ISP with a topper, but they quickly changed to their current design which is just an extended seat tube with stubby post.
![Brava-SLR-0_Angle[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tHT0KZG.jpg "Brava-SLR-0_Angle[1].jpg")
>>903729
OP,dude
I agree with FUCKING 100% you said
Its really a shame most of the paintjobs are shit on the Giants
>>903816
>>giant frames
Giant actually does very little R&D, and they won't infringe on the R&D of the companies they OEM to, because they don't want to lose contracts, which means Giant's technology is usually a step behind. They make too much money as an OEM to risk pissing off their corporate customers. What they get in return is they get to reap the benefits of R&D without doing much R&D because lots of designs pass through their hands, as long as they are careful not to step on people's toes. That's why Giant always maintains a distinct second tier and not cutting edge flavor.
Most of Giant's unique innovations are not very good, things like compact geometry and integrated seat masts.
>>>903748
Alibaba specials do not come from Giant owned factories. That's just wishful thinking. There are actual counterfeit factories, using counterfeit molds to make counterfeit frames, probably next door to the counterfeit Rolex factory. Giant's factories require a large OEM purchase, and they won't step on the toes of their clients by making knock-offs.
>expecting people to not see what a know-nothing you are
what other stuff can you pull out of your ass?
its too bad that Specialized out performs them
>>903869
You can't even quote properly.
>>903879
That's what happens when you're a paid corporate shill in the PR department and your job title is "Social Media Outreach"
>>903848
>discbrakes
shigglediggle
Why is Giant a huge fucking chode when it comes to proselytizing? no other companies do this level of shilling as Giant.
The lone giant dealer in my home town (which no one likes) is owned by this fat fuck who actually has the same type of cancer on his website as in the OP. He also indoctrinates his employees to spread this shit like the fucking gospel. Then, at a local MTB race, the dudes working the Giant demo were literally picking fights about how Giant designs/is superior to/owns Trek/specialized/whatever else. What the fuck? Do they do this level of outreach to cover up their terribleness?
>muh factories
>muh superior design
>muh monopoly
Lies won't cover up how shitty giants actually are.
>>903926
You should see their youtube videos
>we stiffer than everyone which is good
>except cdale
>but thats ok because stiffness isnt that important
>also we lighter than everyone because isp
>see it weights less if you add arbitrary amount of weight to other frames including other isp frames because they dont have a seatpost
>ignore that out seat mast topper weighs as much as some seatposts
>>903932
>cdale
all that extra stiffness for less comfort
>plus their chainstays rip off
>>903816
post is 100% fred
>The midrange Treks, but not the top of the line Treks.
the US trek factory produces around 15,000 bikes a year, there are tons of $6k+ trek bikes that come out of the Giant factory
Some Treks are made in the Kinesis Factory too, as are some Konas, Felts, GTs, Diamondbacks, Schwinn, Jamis, and others.
You're entire post is 100% bullshit.
>No, it's true that the layup is done in Taiwan, but not by Giant.
Pinarellos are made in China, not Taiwan
>Yes, which is by Bianchi is hipster shit.
Bianchis are fine bikes, they are made in Taiwan.
>Actually, they don't. Merida has a very large OEM market share, not as large as Giant, but still very large. The best known brand they manufacture is Specialized. Fuji and bikesdirect are known to use Kinesis frames.
Specialized owns its own factory in China.
>They do not, they weave their won carbon fiber cloth from spools of carbon fiber..
wrong again faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSUKM3bvcyk
>R&D blah blah blah
Don't know how to explain this because it's so fucking retarded. I guess they just plop a bunch of CF in a pot and stir it about and come up with a frame.
>compact geo not good
It's only become the standard geo for road bikes...
>alibaba frames not coming blah blah blah...
there are many different brands of alibaba, there are not many of these giant facotries, alibaba cos contract a frame to these factories to make a run of them, sometimes the molds are mix and match leftovers from brand names at these plants. You have no clue how these factories operate and contract work.
>Canyon has amazing value...yes, they are direct which cuts out cost. Bikesdirect aren't as high end cachet but you can still get a very fine acceptable bike from them.
On the flipside, Canyon has incredibly shitty customer service, BD is decent.
>>903889
Its a cyclocross bike you moran
>>903872
"no"
>>903976
Yeah, this post is bullshit.
Trek's primary sub-contractor is Giant. That much of what the OP said is true. That Trek does not make a better frame than the frames Giant makes for Trek is false.
There are very few sources behind the opaque supply line of Pinarello, but the best dubious sources claim the factory in in Taiwan, this factory can be visited, but they will also refuse to sell gray-market frames direct, and frames must be sent to Italy, then back to Taiwan for sale. The claim Pinarello is made in China is even more dubious, and there are no sources except you.
No, Bianchis are shit
Merida makes Specialized frames, because they hold a 49% stake in Specialized currently.
That video shows how much of a retard you are. It shows them weaving the cloth, not making the carbon fiber. Giant primarily gets it's carbon fiber from Toray.
They don't even have to reverse engineer R&D like the Soviets and Chinese did. Since they had a hand in making them, they know exactly how things are made, and need to do minimal R&D to incorporate features developed by others.
Compact geo is shit.
You don't even understand how Alibaba works. It's like the Amazon Marketplace of China. Alibaba does not contract frames. Alibaba knock-off specials are almost certain to be low (but possibly sufficient) quality counterfeits. The knock-off molds are not left-overs. There's a reason why Chinarellos had different geometry, different seatpost shapes, different plastic inserts, and there were actually two different versions made by two different factories, that were different from each other and the originals. It's because they were fake, the profit margins are better and the prices are lower by making counterfeits. You've also got counterfeits of LOOK frames made in Africa, and BMC frames made in Switzerland. Virtually all sellers won't tell you what factory it came from anyways, so you're just hoping that it's a gray market sale of a high quality frame.
>>904038
any e bike without planetary gears is trash.
>>904056
>Giant makes their own carbon fiber
>No, Giant weaves their own carbon fiber cloth
>Lol no u look at this video moran you 100% wrong fagget
>Video shows Giant weaving carbon fiber cloth
>YOURE WRONG GOOGLE WHY YOURE WRONG
Why are Giant shills such shit?
>bianchis are good
where did the Bianchi is crap meme come from?
Coppi, Pantani, Gimondi, Ulrich, RIis...
Used by Lotto NL/Belkin recently
why am I entertaining this meme by some autistic faggot...I bet this is SI Brochure homo shitposting
>>904205
>Expecting the SI Brochure to pass comment on the quality or otherwise of a bicycle manufacturer's products
Please re-read the SI Brochure.
