https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSyE2RorjRI
>Tesla Gigafactory will supply batteries for the $35,000 Tesla Model 3.
>EO Elon Musk reiterated the 500,000-vehicles-per-year goal at the June 9 shareholder’s meeting, where he said that a “new paint center…is intended to be able to match the production level that includes the Model 3, so we can produce…we can paint all of the cars at basically 500,000 unit per year level with this paint shop.”
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2015/06/30/gigafactory-engine-for-tesla-model-3-growth-operational-within-a-year-report/
In 5 years we will see a lot more Tesla's riding around.
>>877877
It's fucking awesome they are making it in the middle of the desert. I mean like, there's no nature that could be harmed there, it's like a dead place anyway so might as well industrialize it.
+1
>outside Sparks, Nevada
lol, Musk is really fucking with California by doing this. His existing factory is in wonderful Fremont.
If you buy yourself a tesla you are also supporting the colonization of Mars.
That's whats cool about Tesla, Space X, and Elon Musk, you know your money is going to a great company with great potential that will play great part in future space exploration, new technologies and the continuum existence of mankind beyond the realms of earth
>>877904
protip: you can support colonizing mars by also voting for pro-nasa representatives
not that I disagree
>>877877
global warming is a fucking scam and this faggot elon musk is laughing to the bank with this bullshit
fucking modern day retard religion.
If you made the ratio of the entire earths atmosphere to be a 20x20x10 foot room, lighting 1 match would equal 20 years of man made CO2 output into the earths atmosphere.
>>877910
>le redpill maymay
>>877878
That's gonna be an eye sore...
and bright as fuck depending on what panels they use...
>>877877
>500,000-vehicles-per-year
That's over 1,000 per day.
That is crazy as hell.
>>877888
>live in Reno/Sparks
>everyone in the city thinks this will either jumpstart the cities or ruin them
It's so weird.
>>877913
That's really alarming. Good thing we have already started working towards drastically reducing that.
In your 4000 cubic-foot room representing all of the earths atmosphere, only 1.2 cubic-feet of that would naturally be carbon dioxide. How many matches can you burn before you create enough CO2 to double that?
>>877926
>Reno
>jumpstarting anything
If Reno wants to be "jumpstarted" they ought to build a tunnel to Auburn. An 80 mile trip shouldn't take more than two hours, eight hours from California to Reno is a pain and it's why Reno is oft-neglected.
>>877920
I live in the area and its a decent little drive to get out there. It's also obscured by the areas craggy surroundings mountain terrain; so it's not so bad.
>>877920
>car factory built in the US and not mexico
>provides hundreds of stable, middle class union jobs
>provides thousands more jobs via supply chain
>waaah muh eyesore
nimbyer please go
>>877935
What the fuck route are you taking? Auburn to Reno via I-80 never takes more than 2 hours for me. Do you drive exclusively in the winter or something?
>>877940
By train, this is /n/ after all. Relevant because CAHSR is happening and Sandoval just setup our own HSR board (which will of course focus on ferrying people between LA, Palmdale and Vegas but hopefully once they do that they'll give us a handout too). Also, it would be really nice if the existing Feather River rail route was turned into a rail trail.
>>877926
not that it matters
>dad got a steel framing job at the location
>I will probably get a decent job there with my engineering degree
It'll at least be a great opportunity for recent college grads
>>877926
>wanting more commiefornians moving into the Silver State
fuck no Clarke County is a shithole as is. Leave Reno alone.
>>877877
its weird. I was in Moriarty, NM last year and I was talking to a tow truck driver who said the factory would be built outside of town. He was so excited that his little town would finally be on the map.
I completely forgot about it until just now. I guess it didn't work out for them. He was probably crushed.
But honestly fuck New Mexico I hate that shithole of a state, particularly Moriarty and Santa Rosa.
>>877908
Who's the most pro space candidate in the US?
>>877921
Fucking awesome as hell
>>877957
probably Sanders, all the major non-meme -R candidates hace consistently voted to cut NASA's budget in the past five years
>>877957
>trump will build a bunch of spaceships and have other countries pay for them
>>877962
Don't think Sanders going to do anything about Nasa. Socialist policies cost A LOT OF MONEY.
18 trillion to be exact.
Speaking from Denmark. More then 80% of our national budget goes back into the welfare state. We have barely enough money to create a decent military.
To socialize America it would cost 18 trillion $.
That is 27 times the US military budget. Don't seriously tell me you believe in Sanders.
He'd bankrupt your country. And that comes from somenone from Denmark. Vote Trump.
>>877978
http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511
>>877877
Well shit. Cheap EVs are going to put brakes on the modal shift the US. That kinda sucks.
>>877978
>wahh Denmark sux
Oh shut up. At least you shmucks had the brains to put money aside. The 'El Dorado' province of Canada (Alberta) is taking it the nuts thanks to the oil price plunge and the lack of any state savings fund.
What the hell would you even do with a sizeable army anyway? Bomb Greece? Threaten Iceland?
>>877978
>>877979
>18 trillion to be exact.
Since the article is paywalled, I can't figure out how that number was calculated. All I can tell is that he wants to expand medicare.
Regardless, his own proposed infrastructure bill (the Rebuild America Act) is $1 trillion. The US's 2014 GDP is $16.7 trillion, so a lump sum of a trillion over 5-10 years isn't unreasonable. California is spending only $70-100 billion on high-speed rail/rail modernization for the next fifteen years, which is 1/20th of their 2012 GDP of $2 trillion.
As for NASA, $1 trillion over the next decade (at $100 billion/year) would cover everything they want to do. Their existing budget is only $20 billion/year. For comparison, DARPA's budget is $3 billion and the air force's budget is $170 billion. The navy's budget is $150 billion.
So, given how taxes are abnormally low across the board, ending the bush tax cuts and restoring taxes to their pre-1986 levels would probably give the government more than enough money for both a bloated military, infrastructure improvements and NASA. These are things I support, and which Sanders supports.
>Vote Trump
I don't vote Republican, because so far the GOP have proven that they are completely unfit to run anything. The DoE can't get enough money to license Yucca Mountain so the whole thing is on hold. This fucks over the entire US nuclear industry. All because of muh o'niggercare and muh taxes. I don't support this, and I don't support the cuts they've made to NASA and the DoD either. They're doing their own retarded version of Austerity and it's the last thing the US needs right now. And they still haven't killed free trade which has support even amongst many liberals.
More importantly, Trump's predecessor Arnold Schwarzenegger fucked over California by cutting taxes and mending the gap with a $15 billion (in 2005 dollars, in 2015 dollars it's $118 billion) loan.
>>877993
Also important to mention: it was the Democrats that balanced California's budget. The Republicans did jack shit, all they did was cut taxes but didn't dare touch calpers or cobra or anything else. That's all the GOP are good for, bankrupting the government because they can't into economics. Grover Norquist shouldn't have more power than the President, yet here we are.
>sage for off topic
Vote for Allah
>>877993
>>877993
I don't mind you voting democratic. American democratic is still rightwing.
Just don't vote democratic socialist. Socialism doesn't work. it will never work. It is an idea and that is all.
>inb4 norway is socialist
>inb4 denmark is socialist
They aren't. Yes, they lots of social security, 'progressive idealism', more income equality, etc at the cost of extreme high income taxes AND they have a full capitalist economy. Without their capitalist economy it couldn't work.
Many countries tried full socialism and it always leads to grossly enhanced national debt, decreased individual freedom and welfare, and in the end a financial crisis or bankruptcy.
Centralized planning and centralized everything is absolute shit, has been tried over and over again and failed miserably ery time.
It is not a coincidence that capitalism has made the west and certains parts of the east now too the most prosperous place to live in the whole world.
I do not believe Sanders will pump more money into NASA. It is far from his first concern. His bigger concern is the creation of an American Welfare state and healthcare for every citizen.
Don't fall for things that sound too good to be true.
___
Space isn't the priority of the 2016 elections. I think the priority is restoring the US first.
Space will probably be a major factor at the 2024 elections when the first man will probably go to mars in the coming years. Right now they are more focusing on private and commercial space anyway. Once this earth gets too overpopulated and our natural resources decay, businesses and governments will be forced to go into outer space to seize new resources and a new space race will probably begun during this century at around ~2030-2050 and it will probably end with a colony on mars by the end of the century.
>>878032
There no is "socialist" politician of any noteworthy success in the United states that advocates a non-market economy. McCarthyism and the cold war ensured that. You are literally strawmanning.
You are retarded right winger if you think Obama or even Sanders or any potential Democratic candidate advocates a non-market economy,
>>878035
I don't think they do, but what Sanders want is already way to extreme. You think Scandinavia is perfect? It isn't. My country, Denmark, uses some of the most anti-depressants in the world... and we are quite high in the suicide rates.
I am just trying to say that what Sanders wants- it costs so much money, incredibly much money. I know what he says sounds very promising, just and right. But they are just nice sounding words... and what Bernie wants is way too good to be true.
If you want 'progressive' policies, less responsibility, super high taxes, less private enterprise, full head on socialist parties in the governemt who literally want everyone to get free money every month and everyone to live in Big Mother the governments womb and the comfy government crib, you are free to come and emigrate to here. But I tell you, it's not going to last much younger.
>>877877
Great, 500,000 more cages per year. Just what we fucking needed
>>878038
Lemme guess, card carrying DPP member?
Piss off with your 'be afraid' bullshit. The US is pushed so far to the damn right that a large amount of people don't have access to a goddamn family doctor.
Asking for the development of safety net that at the very least rivals the one in the UK doesn't make you a far-left politician.
>>878038
>but what Sanders want is already way to extreme
sanders is pretty much what the democratic party was before nixon and reagan came along
The only unreasonable thing he's proposed is expanding medicare and doing free college. Here in the real world, the most he'd get is *maybe* some token expansion, in exchange for raising the retirement age and fixing malpractice laws. As for college, the most he'd get is extending bankruptcy protection to students and that's more than good enough. Even the banks want the latter, as it means they can write off toxic loans/assets off their books. His infrastructure program isn't unreasonable when you look at the larger tax cuts that have been in place for a while now. You have to remember that here in the US the President doesn't have full control like euro parliaments do. The Republicans will always keep enough seats for a filibuster so whatever Bernie proposes now will be heavily watered down to pass.
Meanwhile, hilary is shit and the gop are braindead. He's the only viable candidate if you're not a tea partier.
sage again for off topic
>>878050
Public college did used to be virtually free.
>>878045
I would normally agree with you however cager culture in the U.S. will probably never die. If we're going to have cager culture we might as well have one that won't destroy the planet in the process
>>878114
>actively wanting more cars on the road
>>878115
I wouldn't mind a lot of cages on the road it there weren't any cagers in them
>>878115
>cars getting sold = more cars on the road
>cars never get taken off of the road, and every car that's ever been sold is still driving around
>if we don't favor better cars over worse ones, maybe they will all go away
Where's the rail connection?
>>878118
Everything is going to transported by semis.
Yeah, go figure.
Elon Musk is like one those industrialists in the 60s that thought railways were outmoded.
>>878119
That's pretty retarded tbh. I thought I had read somewhere that the site was picked because of its access to a rail connection.
>>877926
FTZ!,
,,Chinanow,, parts of Mason Valley are being proposed for FreeTradeZone status,, which includes importing Labor,,,, if the Hicks are too expensive.
,,Mandarin,,, you new speak?
>Elon Musk naming his company after Nikola Tesla when he himself has much more in common with Thomas Edison
>>878175
There are still companies named after Edison.
>>877877
>>877938
>not having a hyperloop connection to the nearest population centres
>>878194
Even Musk knows the Hyperloop is a pipedream.
this must be a big scam. who the hell is buying these things? tesla hasn't even made a profit.
>>878254
There's no scam. Elon Musk is simply burning through his money supply.
If he can get the price of one of his EV in the $30k or below bracket then he's guaranteed to see a ROI once EV sales start to gain traction.
>>878254
profit margin on individual Model S sales are 25%.
Tesla is just plowing all the profits back into growth.
>>878264
Source now.
>>878194
Musk straight up lied about hyperloop and he's too shitty to admit it.
>>878254
People who want a causal car, with decent performance and acceleration, that isn't overpriced as fuck.
Also people who do the maths on electric cars versus gas in fuel cost, on a car that isn't completely crippled range wise, and Tesla has been on the marked since 2007.
Then there is countries like Norway where it became best selling car in 2013, because Tesla by accident avoids a lot of the regulation that makes a car expensive. Bonus points for the other electric cars being crippled by design.
>>878409
Don't forget the mechanical argument.
An EV is a lot easier to maintain than a petrol car.
>>877877
Think of how good all those batteries will be for the environment.
>>879478
better than drilling for oil
>>879478
Oh and let's not forget that we don't have the infrastructure to support millions of electric cars. Enjoy your brown outs and toxic battery waste and new epa taxes.
>>879481
> look at how retarded I am
>>879482
But hey if it "feel" good in your blissful state of euphoria then go f for it.
>This thread brought to you by the Tesla Motor Corporation
>>879483
You have literally no idea how the emissions lifecycle of a car works.
>>879478
You do know batteries can be recycled, right?
>>879481
>Enjoy your brown outs
Do you live in India?
>>879486
brownouts are still a thing in the US
>>879478
>Yeah people are just going to throw away gigantic used car batteries that are worth 1000$s of dollar in scrap worth
>>879582
USA, USA, USA!
>>879486
>implying every country has the hydroelectric resources that Quebec has
>>879646
I'm surprised someone was able to identify the location of the picture. That being said, there are alternatives.
And if nuclear is infeasible coal plants can be retrofitted as CNG plants.
There really is no excuse for brownouts in an industrialized country.
>>879660
I did a reverse image search, but I was pretty sure it was a barrage there since I live in that province.
Quebec would be a place where electric cars would be a good alternative since electricity is cheap.
>>879582
Only in the shit parts.
>>879660
>There really is no excuse for brownouts in an industrialized country.
There are lots of excuses. The main one is that it is more profitable for the electricity generators to under-invest. Who cares if the country is having brown-outs when you're living it large on your private island in the Bahamas?
>electric cages
Fuck off /o/.
>>877920
>oh wow it's gonna really ruin the "desolate nothing" look!
>>877920
>>877938
>>877939
Solar power plants like the one pictured do cause a problem for pilots, the energy towers can be seen from hundreds of miles away from any direction when at cruising altitude (very distracting}, and be blinding at less than fifty miles (outright dangerous).
The panels in the Tesla factory's arrangement aren't reflecting into a power tower , so you won't have that impossibly bright point of light to worry about. Nobody will care.
>>877986
>What the hell would you even do with a sizeable army anyway? Bomb Greece? Threaten Iceland?
guard their boarders
A bit ago I was reading this and I was like okay...
Then MUH VW DIESEL happened.
LOLMUSK DID VW.
Pretty good.
>>877888
The ex-NUMI facility isn't going anywhere. The Nevada factory is just for batteries.
>>885053
From whom? The Russians? The Germans? The Swiss?
Elon Musk and his car company are literally a reddit meme gone too far.
He is basically like the Sanders circlejerk before they started circlejerking about Sanders.
Tesla is also one of the most overvalued companies in the world at the moment. All because of hype from media that is probably paid by Elon to spout bullshit about how Tesla will finally release a car at a pricepoint for all and that Teslas are more luxurious and comfortable than a Mercedes Benz S class (hint, its not.)
His spaceX company has failed spectacularly several times now, and his bullshit claims with spaceX will probably never realize either.
The whole Elon empire is propped up by outrageous bullshit statements straight out of their PR department that then get circlejerked upon by reddit users and dumbass journalists who have no idea how companies work or public infrastructure works.
Case in point, the hyperloop bullshit.
>>877910
Now that's what I call edgy
>>886769
/pol/ pls go
Go worship your /pol/ trump circle jerk
>>878032
Sanders isn't a socialist.
>>878032
>Without their capitalist economy it couldn't work.
Are you seriously implying that Sanders is advocating bread lines and a non-market economy? This is some /pol/ level stormnigger logic.
>>877993
The vast majority of the $18 trillion is simply from $15 trillion in single payer health care plans, with a corresponding increase in revenue, as people will be paying for Medicare/Medicaid nationalized health care, that then will compensate private health care providers instead of paying Blue Cross etc who
So no, $15 trillion dollars is not just printed in fiat currency to pay for it. No, it doesn't really change the cost to citizens as their health insurance premiums will simply be paid to Medicare/Medicaid instead of the private insurance companies. Money will still be funneled to the same privately owned health care providers.
There are arguments both in favor and against the efficiency of government, which will rely a lot on implementation, clear goals, checks and balances, and how much people and their elected officials want to see it succeed.
>>886769
Elon Musk is a modern day snake oil salesman
he's got the government backing him
its fucking ridiculous
theres about 30 tesla power stations at the super market near me
theres about 12 at this tourist attraction spot
I've seen 3 Teslas on the road in my life.
He is getting the government to pay for this shit.
Its fucking ridiculous
Meanwhile VW, who was selling accessable, affordable cars that got excellent gas milage is being shitted on by the Government
There is something rotten in Denmark.
Its a gigantic fucking scam.
>>886810
VW lies and cheats. Musk just lies, but doesn't cheat.
>>886810
>Elon Musk
>snake oil salesmen
I'm no muskfag but he isn't. He's a businessman, which means he's a kike but he's hardly selling snake oil. His SpaceX venture is profitable and is the only real competition to Boeing meanwhile Tesla will also probably turn a profit soon enough.
Either way, people give him money. That's all that matters.
Also VW got shat on because they lied. Caterpillar did the same in the 90s and got equally fucked. Tesla makes EPA and CARB compliant cars, VW does not.
>>886775
Who said anything about /pol/? I'm just saying the circlejerk over Elon Musk being the Messiah to save the universe is absolute bullshit.
I have nothing to do with mentally incapacitated white supremacists or alex jones type conspiracy theorist morons.
No no, but to you the naive sheep brainwashed by websites like The Verge and the Elon Musk PR team, anyone that dares criticize the company surely must be literally a Nazi right?
PS: I hate Trump, I'm actually quite liberal and I cycle everywhere.
>>886814
In fairness, Musk did straight up lie about about Hyperloop.
>>886814
Tesla makes 25% profit on each car sold. All their money just keeps going into growth of production and infrastructure.
>>886988
No kidding idiot, even the worst businessman in history makes a profit on $100k cars.
Luxury cars have huge profit margins of around 1/3rd, while regular $20k cars have profit margins of around 3 to 4% in the auto industry.
The thing is electric cars in the US are just as if not more polluting than regular cars because the US electricity generation is based almost entirely on fossil fuels like coal that kill literally hundreds of thousands in the US every year.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure teslas are nice cars but they are not exactly revolutionizing the auto industry like sensationalist journalists are trying to claim. I'm just sick of the over valuation of the company because of all the silicon valley nouveau riche that think elon musk is literally the second coming of jeebus and that teslas are the best luxury cars in the world.
>>887001
I don't know if you are ignorant or a clever troll.
US electricity is 30-40% coal during the summer when demand is high. Less than 10% during the rest of the year. Majority of fossil fuel use is now natural gas. Which is extremely clean. Much better emissions than gasoline or diesel in small internal combustion engines. Much MUCH MUCH better emissions in huge power plants.
Even if you just charged strictly from a coal power plant. Thermal efficiency of a large power plant means the Tesla, or any EV, will be responsible for half or less, of the CO2 grams per mile.
In places like Quebec where all the power is from hydro electric? Basically zero grams of CO2 per mile. Same with any other place where you have majority of electricity from a non carbon source, like France(nuclear), or Iceland(Geothermal).
>>887001
>The thing is electric cars in the US are just as if not more polluting than regular cars because the US electricity generation is based almost entirely on fossil fuels like coal that kill literally hundreds of thousands in the US every year.
Stop thinking we're in the 70s. Companies are moving towards LNG plants for economical and environmental reasons. Coal is dying and there's no reason to fixate on it as if it was going to remain our main power source for that much longer.
>Don't get me wrong, I'm sure teslas are nice cars but they are not exactly revolutionizing the auto industry like sensationalist journalists are trying to claim. I'm just sick of the over valuation of the company because of all the silicon valley nouveau riche that think elon musk is literally the second coming of jeebus and that teslas are the best luxury cars in the world.
I can sympathize with your attitude but in the end if this prat can make mass produced sub-30k EVs a reality then I don't see why anyone should complain.
If anything EVs would mean less smog and energy waste during rush hour traffic which that alone would make for a huge improvement in cities.
>>887011
EVs save the user a lot of money if they drive enough. The price per mile is a tiny fraction compared to a normal car.
>>887013
Well I wouldn't say that's necessarily true in terms of gas expenditures at the moment with the ridiculously low gas prices but in terms of maintenance they certainly are.
There's some stuff that can go wrong in an ICE but EVs only have one moving part that can break down.
>>885649
The hordes of muslims and africans currently invading Europe
>>877877
Fucking dumb technological positivist nerds, no matter what a car is highly inefficient, it doesn't matter if it is electric.
The average American male weighs 190+ lb( http://www.newsmax.com/US/average-weight-man-woman-obese/2015/06/15/id/650546/ ) and the average American car weighs about 4000 lb( http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2011/06/your_big_car_is_killing_me.html ). The average car only transports 1.2 people. Further according to official DMV literature in New Jersey for every 10 mph faster you go, you should allow for a 10ft to car length buffer from the car ahead of you in the lane. You cannot get more inefficient than the private automobile.
See the attached pic for an idea of the spatial inefficiency of the car compared to public transit, pedestrians or bikes. Or in url form:
https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.washingtonpost.com%2Fblogs%2Fwonkblog%2Ffiles%2F2015%2F08%2F7hAJ4qG1.gif&op=noop
>>887076
Sounds like you are just jealous you don't have a car. Is it because you are too dumb to pass the driving test or because you can't afford to drive?
>>887080
I am not an asshole, I am not lazy and I hate cars and all they stand for.
Take your dark enlightenment anti-social nerdery and shove it up your ass:
http://www.theawl.com/2015/09/good-luck-to-human-kind
>>887082
>I am not an asshole
Hilarious.
>>878255
>If he can get the price of one of his EV in the $30k or below bracket then he's guaranteed to see a ROI once EV sales start to gain traction.
yea and he's doing really well there, isn't he?
after all,,,,,,,, the cars he already came out with were ~$80 to $100K, and the new SUV is only going to cost $150K
but I bet the NEXT one will be *lots* cheaper! ;)
this factory should have been built in China (where the materials were) not the US,,,,,, but he could not get US government money for that.
musk is soaking the govt for all the subsidies he can, promising to build cars for the common man while cranking out playthings for the ultra-rich. you just don't see it yet.
>>887082
>I am not an asshole
the tripfag has a sense of humor?
>>887076
your gif really ignores the entire aspect of usability: a bus or a train are only helpful when you have a whole bunch of people who are at the same starting point and want to go to the same destination. the fact that buses and trains generally cannot do that means they are inherently inefficient in at least one aspect.
to argue that people should not expect point-to-point transportation is silly. what if paramedics had to ride the bus? what if police had to take the train? is that a good idea?
"well no faggot, because they have reasons"...
no they don't.
their reasons are no better than your own or anyone else's; it is only that you are assuming that your justification for individual vehicles is fair and reasonable and anyone who wants more is making a poor decision. Time has a value also--if it did not, you would use no vehicles at all and just walk everywhere because that is the most-energy-efficient means..... (tho very non-TIME-efficient...)
a "more advanced" form of transportation would be an individual vehicle that costs a lot less than a car, takes up less space than a car, that only holds 1 or 2 people and that gets much better fuel efficiency than a car. Something like a Peraves Monotracer but not 130hp, not 155mph and not costing $80K.
>>887094
>to argue that people should not expect point-to-point transportation is silly.
Fat acceptance advocate identified. Why do you support obesity? The average citizen absolutely should not be allowed to have private automobiles, especially as we know them. They have only compensated for the increased speed afforded by deciding to live ridiculous distances from the place they work. It is madness, laziness, sloth, waste and government welfare on every level. No one is saving time, because the stupid motor car has created thick traffic, ridiculous sprawl and suburbia everywhere.
>>887098
>The average citizen absolutely should not be allowed to have private automobiles, especially as we know them.
Just because you are incapable of driving a car doesn't mean everyone else has to suffer for it.
>>887098
I was about to remind you that you chose to live in suburbia but then I remembered you're 27 and you still live with your mom. So the lack of choice is probably what made you so angry.
>>887103
You are wrong about everything, just like your face is a wrong look in any mirror. I live in a town that has access to bus service, a train station and most importantly access to your whore mom's vagina. The town I live in is walkable, has multiple grocery stores and everything you need for daily existence in close proximity. It is not a Levittown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OApZePeJSdU
>>887108
Yes, I had to go to Morristown a few years ago, I'm well aware of your inhumane suburban prison sprawl conditions. "Access to bus service", that's a good one. New Jersey bus lines are there for the poorest of the poor, and the service reflects that.
The purpose of the train line is to get people to the only place that matters, namely New York. And if I recall correctly I actually had to transfer trains somewhere, might have been Secaucus.
I don't think I saw a single cyclist the whole time I was there, and I had to go there every day for like a week straight.
No wonder you're so mad at the world, since that is your world after all.
>>887119
I don't live in Morristown nerd stalker. Though as a white boy autist it must have been paradise with all the bars and BYOB restaurants.
You don't know shit about shit. Most people in Morris County who commute don't work in NYC and their commute doesn't end in NYC.
Yeah generally in USA, if there are alot of white people like in hipster Morristown, no one cycles for a use oriented reason. Don't you understand what I have been writing all this time?
>>887134
Oh so you live in Hoboken or JC then?
No you don't. You live in some cager sprawl suburb, and you feel trapped there, because you don't make enough money to get out, and you're stuck there with your used bikes you bought on craiglist because it's the only thing in life you have to feel superior about. That you could afford a white guy's (the horror!) used Waterford.
>Most people in Morris County who commute don't work in NYC and their commute doesn't end in NYC.
You mentioned the train, not me. So they're taking that train for what? To go grocery shopping in Raritan, is that right? Or to go sightseeing in Metropark perhaps? Please.
>>887140
I don't live in a cager sprawl suburb, retard. And living in a city, imho sucks whether disgusting Hoboken, JC or NYC. Cities are good if you are like the male equivalent of the type of bitches profiled in Candace Bushnell's shitty show Sex and the City. In other words if you are the type of white professional asshole who wants to always go to bars, clubs and restaurants.
Ever hear of nature deficit disorder? Concrete everywhere in sight and hordes of people everywhere, is not a good environment.
>>887162
More wine for the anonfag? I hope you like my demo about what to do with your opinion. You seem to need to carb the fuck up, man.
See:
https://instagram.com/p/8LZdN9HJyn/?taken-by=durianrider
>>887172
I bet you wish you could just kill everyone. You'd like that wouldn't you, nikolas roger. They'd be sorry they oppressed you, for sure! All those whites, minorities, urbanites, suburbanites, old people, young people, etc. Humans are a cancer and you are the cure ;-)
>>877877
>Literally building a plant just to produce 500,000 cars/year there's no demand for
Good job guys, waste all that money..
>>887082
>>887076
>i'm not an asshole
>has to post multiple links to pretend he doesn't look like a tinfoil hat
You do realize a huge majority of working class people live more than 10 miles from their place of work right? You expect everyone to bike that far every day because you can do it? Yeah sure let me show up to that business meeting in my sweat soaked $2300 suit, that'll make a good impression.
go back to flipping burgers, or pouring coffee and leave the roads to people who deserve them.
>>887196
Didn't one of your nerd dark enlightenment tribe just kill a bunch of Christians at a community college or whatever? Don't try to be a typical anon fag troll.
Also about your opinion, click the Durianrider.your.opinion.jpg located above. It seems your brain is in a glycogen deprived state. Can I suggest some carbing the fuck up?
>>887197
But alot of techno-futurist geeks and nerds locked in their basement would suck off Musk if they could. He is like a Steve Jobs marketer 2.0.
>>887198
I saw your post on the home page and decided to pop in and tell you that you're an asshole.
He isn't even suggesting that a majority of the working class switch to biking, he is strictly speaking about the spatial inefficiency of automobiles.
>>887198
Oh man another IT nerd or white mommy's boy is out of prozac or his drug of choice again.
>a huge majority of working class people live more than 10 miles ...
Since I am not an asshole like you, I am sure more poor people would love the option of not having to own a private car that will cost $1000+ to maintain, insure and gas up if the government stopped subsidizing the welfare queen transportation choice de jure of suburban white assholes like you, the automobile and its roads and highways and funnel that money into transport options that lets them stretch their meager paychecks more.
>let me show up to that business meeting in my sweat soaked $2300 suit, that'll make a good impression.
If 10 miles on a bike makes you totally soaked, you are WAY too fat sorry. Are all of you cagers closet fat acceptance advocates? It seems so to me!
>go back to flipping burgers, or pouring coffee and leave the roads to people who deserve them.
So what are you a sjw in your nerd parlance that pretends to care about the working class's plight or a dark enlightenment sperglord(also in your nerd parlance)? Probably you are just another idiot lowclass bored kid. Go watch pewdiepie. See the following jpg for what to do with your worthless opinion:
>>887172
>>887198
I don't know how I let you off so easy. I am smiling that you tried to make up some lie that hot shot businessmen wearing $2300 dollar suits are on this shitty chanboard and that you are one of them.
Stop being a loser. What do you think will get for lying to us? Are you into gay sex with pasty white geeks? Lol.
Delusional outcasts idiots, ranting about poorfags and pretending they are the wealthy elite.
>>887196
>nikolas roger.
Haha, what I was saying here just talking out my ass turns out to be true:
>>887199
>Didn't one of your nerd dark enlightenment tribe just kill a bunch of Christians at a community college
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/10/07/incels-4chan-and-the-beta-uprising-making-sense-of-one-of-the-internets-most-reviled-subcultures/
>Harper-Mercer had described himself as “involuntarily” single in online forums; the AP has reported that his writings included complaints about his lack of girlfriend. In the hours before the Oct. 1 shooting, someone posted a mysterious threat to a Pacific Northwest college in a so-called “incel” forum on the anonymous message board 4chan.
Fucking dumb and dangerous nerds.
Looks like someone struck a raw nerve
>>877880
as long as suburbs don't pop up around it and turn it into phoenix 2.0, then this is really cool
>>878119
>shipped by semis
>500,000 cars
Are they retarded or something? Look at every other automobile manufacturing plant with a high output... they all have autorack connections for rail lines and save a fuck ton on transit prices
>>879478
use batteries as building materials. BUILD A NEW FACTORY WITH THE BATTERIES LIKE BRICKS
ya dingus
>>886810
I assume you work for VW and are about to get laid off
lol fuck off
>>886769
nah son, Elon Musk is a pretty nice dude. He is just your standard entrepreneur who found potential and took it.
This is more like Apple. They start selling to the rich originally, then everyone wants one, then he lowers the price. It is a good plan.
>>887094
>their reasons are no better than your own or anyone else's
what kind of dink are you? you need to mello out
>>886810
>I've seen 3 Teslas on the road in my life.
I see at least 3 every day and I don't even pay much attention to cages, do you live in a meth town in deepest flyoverland?
>>886810
as an electrician I sure as hell hope they build and sell a shit ton of cars. The sooner the electric car revolution starts the sooner I can make bank doing charge station retrofits and service upgrades... the cars may be clean but the power still comes from coal for the most part around here... take that for what you will.... just imagine charge tations that are coin operated in downtown districts and parking lots that all have a charge stations, every apartment complex needing 100 or so just to continue operating. That is the future we are looking at.
/end slightly tipsy rant.
>>887321
Except Apple never did that. Apple still doesn't make budget-minded products.
>>877910
YEAH, WHAT THIS GUY SAID. YOU FAGS JUST GOT CUCKED BY ELONG DICK MUSK AND HIS FAKE CLIMARE WARMING PROPOGONDOLA.
>>887076
Everyone doesn't live in cities/suburbs where public transit is practical. Even where it is practical there's still some disadvantages- you can't choose the most efficient route to get from A to B, it can take longer to get from A to B because of the route and the stops, you have to wait at stops. But overall I'd say public transit it much more efficient than cars.
>>877888
>wonderful Fremont
m8 I'm not sure if you're being ironic or not but this place is a shithole, literally one of the worst run cities in the US by study. I'm starting to think he only planted the factory here because of all the Indians that live here, all those Indian MIT immigrants.
>>887094
>a "more advanced" form of transportation would be an individual vehicle that costs a lot less than a car, takes up less space than a car, that only holds 1 or 2 people and that gets much better fuel efficiency than a car.
...A motorcycle?
???
>>887493
You're retarded. Fremont was at the top of the list of best-run cities in the country for quite some time within the past several years.
>implying electric cars are magically less polluting than regular cars
>>890064
Unless you're on an all-coal part of the grid, yes, they are.
I know math is hard for you, but make an effort to not be completely numerically illiterate.
Even if every single fossil fuel running product in the world suddenly disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't have any noticeable effect on climate change for at least 100 years. And even when it did, it wouldn't be enough to combat climate change.
If you give a fuck about the environment, go vegan.
Tesla is good because their cars are literally better in pretty much every single way to their gas guzzling counterparts.
>>890080
> go vegan
I have a better idea. Just kill yourself. That way you have basically zero carbon footprint.
>>890105
You wouldn't be so upset if you had some carbs in your diet.
>>890108
> thinking non-vegans don't eat carbs
Yep, you've confirmed that you should definitely kill yourself.
>>890112
>being this upset and overweight on your low carb keto diet
Let me guess, it's just your genetics?
>>890080
>100 years
why evan try?, you wont be here ,,so who cares?
,, I CARE!, Earth is a nice place,, mostly.
,,,gotago! HAILSTORM!
>>890113
Why are you digging yourself deeper? Your initial claim wasn't even accurate to begin with.
>>887383
Yes, apple did lower prices or offered lower end products so people could have the "apple" logo.
Example: The ipod shuffle or the itouch. Once you get people in the logo, they want more. Then they get the iphone, the ipad, and then a mac
>>890080
Vegan + bike.
Not vegan + electric big ass car.
>>890142
They want more because they get locked into the walled garden and don't know how to get out.
>>887082
>I hate cars and all they stand for.
So personal freedom then.
>>893449
>cars
>personal freedom
>a vehicle that can only be used by able-bodied people with enough money means more personal freedom than everyone being able to go anywhere on public transit
this is what ameritards actually believe
>>893507
Really? The bus will pick you up at your house and take you directly to your friend's house? I don't fucking think so, Tim.
>>877910
That's why they had to change the name to "climate change" because the earth is actually cooling. We're due for another "little ice age"
>>893523
Basically, yes. Maybe a transfer along the way, but I still get there quick and easy, and especially cheap. I don't care for wasting money on a car, so if I had to use one I'd be forced to spend bigtime cash on that junk.
>needing to own a car to be free
I remember this from Mexico, good thing I don't live in the 3rd world anymore
>>893795
So you just admitted that, no, it doesn't pick you up and drop you off exactly where you want to go.
>>887352
And good luck to you, sir. How much would you charge to install an outlet in someone's residential garage that could deliver a good charge?
>>893577
Source? Some peer reviewed shit pls you know.
So when is this supposed to be operational?
>>893807
>implying a car picks you up and drops you off and that you don't have to walk from your parking space to your destination
do ho ho
mysolar glueon panels,, the ones that "will never be a $ return"?,, the Big stickers that took 30 minutes to install?, 550 watts gridtie?,, cantell they are there,, but run, run ,run?
, MY panels just broke,,,, broke EVEN $!
,,,over 3600Kw pumped back online!,, HOOOT! HOOOOOT!, in your FACE!!
,, ahhh ,now, totaste the gravey.
>>899375
details on solar stickers pls.
also, horsies
>>899375
Infrequent /n/ visitor here.
Why are all your posts typed like that?
>>899386
900$ delivered from amoazon,, 4 Unisolar 136's, 1 chinese gridtie inverter, Wattmeter.
,, i paid 180$ per panel,, the price droped to 125$ 9 months ago so i bought 5 more but not installed yet.
,, price for panel is 215$ today.
, they work great with offangle siteing, over 3 Kw a day at 23cents each.
,PIC> includes Smart inverter for standalone operation.
working system.
>>899398
he's not well, god love 'im
>>899418
imgetting better,,, not quite ,dead,, yet., actualy feeliing a weird, warmness,,,, Hug?! UHHHYUMMY!
,, feast!!! like its the lastone.
>>899398
He's a tripfag with a shtick. He's been at it for years and has even developed a 'fanclub' (its probably just him samefagging).
>>901165
>(its probably just him samefagging).
he managed to crack the admin capcode, huh?
>>901175
>moot
>relevant in 2015
I shig therefore I dig
>>877880
>I mean like, there's no nature that could be harmed there, it's like a dead place anyway so might as well industrialize it.
You should learn about deserts before spouting off like that. Deserts in the US are anything but dead
>MUH CARS
>MUH FEREDOM
>Tesla will save the Earth XD
Will people just move back into the fucking cities already?
>>901970
B-but there's NIGGERS there!
>>878118
>>878119
>>878120
There's a rail line not too far from the factory, but the topography is pretty hilly, so it's going to be pretty hard to have a spur go to the battery gigafactory. You generally want to keep grades under 2%, and a spur would be just over 4%, although 4% would not be unheard of.
>>902413
Actually, scratch that, the actual grade works out to 1.9%. Google earth grade measurements are wonky sometimes, I don't know why.
>>901970
There's no fucking room thanks to density based zoning.
>>902413
lel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjR90ul4Fo
>>902436
same thing wen through my head anon
>>884643
It's almost weird that these things blind pilots, since that means that a fraction of the sunlight reflected by the mirrors miss the tower. If the cross section of the mirror is no larger than the absorber on the top and the mirror is positioned at the correct angle, all the reflected sunlight should be blocked by the tower, leaving nothing to blind anyone (other than birds meandering between the towers and the mirrors, but any blindness thus caused is quite ephemeral). Matters could be solved by improving accuracy of the mirrors' angle mechanism/algorithm and/or having a larger number of smaller mirrors. It's only an optimisation problem.
