will there ever be another movement/fad as big as shoegaze or punk? will we ever be a part of something larger than "indie"?
post-indie
was shoegaze really a big movement?
>>66247660
Power pop will be coming back in a big way soon.
>>66247682
i guess not "big" but rather important and sonically new and interesting
>>66247682
this - I'd only ever heard about shoegaze in passing before /mu/
>>66247682
Someone is going to say "in the UK it was" but in reality it was basically a microgenre from 1988-1994.
>>66247686
Weezer and Blink had their chance and royally fucked up, who else is left? Ok Go? What do they even do anymore?
>>66247686
Examples? I love power pop
>>66247660
Yeah, I promise you
>>66247660
let's make a new one OP
>>66247827
How? Everything's been done to death in rock
>>66247686
nah power pop got pretty big in the 2000s i think people are still bored of it. i think grunge is due for a revival tho... for better or worse
>>66247660
The whole 'transgender' fad is pretty big with the kids right now.
the one problem i see with there being a new one is how caught up in identity politics the politically correct youth are
there's no bubbling sort of angst with anything that doesn't have to do with race/sexuality/gender/whatever other bullshit
there's no power in that, it's just wound-licking and feeling sorry for each other, there's no fire that can rise
>>66247864
electro-grunge when?
>>66247660
poptimism
We had movements that were honestly the same size and actual coverage as shoegaze, and are only marginally less influential since they're influencing the next movement as opposed to having their influence taken by a wide variety of people.
Hypnagogic pop and chillwave immediately spring to mind - even if you think they're just buzz microgenres, that's essentially what shoegaze was, just without the internet.
>>66247898
I have angst
>>66247864
Power pop was big in the late 60s-early 70s... late 70s-early 80s... early 90s... early 00s... ??soon??
>>66247943
yeah but you don't see releases from those genres being ridiculously critically lauded
i crave the next loveless except for not shoegaze but something new and brilliant
>>66247943
yeah. even tho chillwave and vaporwave are seen as "meme" genres to many, they're basically the shoegaze of the past half-decade and will be regarded pretty highly in the coming years
It's not like punk or shoegaze were completely original movements, that in the case of shoegaze was ultimately just a smaller part of a greater tendency in the music zeitgeist.
Punk was very rapidly made into mainstream pop music with new wave. Shoegaze was essentially just a continuation of noise pop, integrated in a growing alternative rock and neo-psychedelia scene.
All the revivalism is just another expansion in the trend. It's obvious just how much post-punk, noise pop, and shoegaze are the foundation of the modern indie rock scene.
From Deerhunter to the Strokes, it's just a continuation of shit from the 60s.
>>66248001
i've been waiting for the vaporwave version of Loveless for a long time... it'll happen eventually
>>66247864
Nirvana were almost power pop anyways.
>>66248058
Yeah but punk was a "shock to the system" of sorts, and we're due for another one by 2021 or so
>>66248001
>yeah but you don't see releases from those genres being ridiculously critically lauded
You still have to factor in these genres being both fairly new in general and also existing in the age of the internet. Shoegaze was unknown to the broader music world for several years after it emerged, and extensive critical acclaim didn't surface until several years after that.
>>66248014
Even modern "indie" music has, or at least had for a brief period, took influence from things like chillwave and hypnagogic pop. Synth heavy 80s pop revival indietronica exploded after 2009, and the bedroom pop of hypnagogia has steadily gained more and more prominence.
Things like Loveless, while quickly recognized by contemporary groups in similar circles, takes a deal of time before it's made into a modern classic. It's a recognition post-hoc, after the rest of the audience and critics have had time to adjust and see its imitators.
>>66248122
Terrorism is our punk rock
>>66247827
i think we need to make a new instrument to take the place of the guitar (not that there's anything wrong with the guitar)
something truly versatile and not purely electronic
>>66248181
They need to come out with better music then. Not fuckin' Borat bing bong bing bong bing music.
>>66248181
intredasting
>>66248181
Welp I know what I'm going to do with my life now
>>66248122
Punk may have been a cultural rebellion at the mainstream sound of music, but it still had its predecessors that had either took years after its release to gain prominent attention or acclaim, or were extensions themselves of even older genres. In this sense, Loveless is a lot like the Velvet Underground and Nico.
Grunge was in a sort a similar cultural rebellion to the overwhelming sound of the 80s. If we entertain the notion that culture goes in twenty year cycles, then we could (not necessarily will) expect a similar revolt to the 'stagnant' sound of the 2000s, just as punk rejected the bulk of the 70s and grunge (and alternative rock in general) rejected the bulk of the 80s.
I wouldn't hold my breath, because only those in the movement really realize at the time they're a part of a change, while most realize once it's become the basis of the sound they hear now.
>>66248181
ISIS needs to start making punk rock if they wanna remain relevant
>>66248198
Something that actually pleases me is the success of electronic music in the 80s being able to weather the 90s where it more or less lost its status as the a piece of mainstream pop. For the past sixteen years or so, electronic elements are considered completely normal aspects in pop, some groups more electronic while others more traditionally guitar-based but both being totally acceptable.
>>66247660
larger than indie? like some type of buzzfeed record label
>>66247864
grunge revival is already happening bud
>>66248321
Music is haram.
Terrorism is more like any other strong political movement in punk, left or right. While it provides aspiration and energy, the ideology itself doesn't really incorporate the musical aspect.
While I would love terror rock, insurgent punk, and jihadi pop as genres honestly, they're going to be very small elements of a greater, more generic "rebellion".
>>66248265
whoever made that picture is probably 17 and never had sex
>>66248426
name some some bands m8
seeing as how these movements are largely a reaction to what's popular, swining kind of like a pendulum, I would say it will be a response to hip hop/trap
>>66247660
Both Shoegaze and Punk are terrible
All I know is that I fucking hate indie rock.
The twee-ness, the artistic stagnation, the forced quirkyness, the hype culture, hipsters, the lack of any rebellion or countercultural tendencies. All of it. Trash.
If we don't get a new movement I'm gonna go make one myself.
>>66248426
And that annoys me.
Post-grunge was dominant for so long after grunge's heyday, the 80s revivalism was so short.
I guess the whole modern "indie" scene is actually just the less popular but relevant parts of the 90s. There are an infinite number of shoegaze, emo, early indie rock, and post-punk revivalists. Waiting for the slowcore and trip-hop revivalists to make their show.
>>66247660
Not with that attitude you won't.
>>66248426
Maybe because I'm a little older than the average mutant, but I don't feel like grunge every truly went away. There were "grunge kids" in grunge bands when I was in high school circa 2004-2008.
>>66248471
what would the opposite of hip hop/trap? like... progressive folk?
>>66248502
1. not really
b. that's not the point
>>66248452
Anxiety
>>66248531
Guitar rock
And so it goes
It's just hard to see what the important trends are when you're experiencing them. Everything is intertwined, it's just a big jumbled mess right now. In 10 years we'll be able to form a narrative and clearly see what's important.
>>66248531
>Progressive Folk
I could get behind that
Who wants to blend shoegaze and baroque pop?
>>66248594
Already a thing anon
>>66248608
You mean like the Beatles?
>>66248471
I could see either this or dance music being the reactors; perhaps a mirror of the 70s, where dance music overtook rock music, then fell to the way of the alternative sound of punk. I suppose EDM would have to override modern pop for a period of time before alternative hip-hop rises in popularity and becomes mainstream, just as punk did into new wave.
>>66248507
Are you mad at indie rock now or indie rock as a whole?
90s indie rock was as rebellious as every other 90s alternative genre.
Modern indie rock does act out tendencies they perceive as countercultural, but are more or less mainstream views at this point due to the scene more or less staying the same for twenty years.
>>66248519
>trip-hop revivalists
this will happen soon... it has to. with the recent popularity of alt r&b the seeds have been planted
>>66248621
reccs?
>>66248608
Yawn
>>66248624
Modern indie.
>>66248531
I don't think that's how it works.
Punk was a reaction to the folk/blues rock sound of the 70s, not its opposite. Both were still guitar-oriented. Same goes for grunge and the hard rock of the 80s.
The reaction from hip-hop would still be based in hip-hop, but in a very different direction and probably outright in opposition to the mentality of existing hip-hop.
>>66248633
I don't really listen to prog but Comus counts I think
>>66248579
Not hard to see that the post-modern era of Rap/Pop, which has largely displaced Rock since 2006, has exhausted itself.
I think we'll see a revival of Piano/Lounge music.
>>66248507
Agreed. It's all the same shit since 2002.
>>66248686
Gospel revival confirmed thanks a lot Kanye/Chance
>>66248686
Trap is based off of introspective lyrics and an appealing synth sound based off the 80's and orchestral samples.
So.....punk rap would be the response to it??? I guess we should get used to every hit song sounding like something off of Yeezus in the next 5 years.
>>66248608
I think genre adultery might be a part of the problem. After all, modern indie is stagnating as much as indie groups just mixing with other alternative rock sounds (emo, shoegaze, chillwave). To be fair, shoegaze itself was just an outgrowth of noise pop and dream pop, but at the very least it wasn't a conscious attempt at fusion - which is unfortunately seemingly the part and parcel of the microgenres of today.
>>66248660
Then I can understand the reaction, though I would say that is a sentiment most people have with most scenes that overstay their presence as a dominant force whether mainstream or "alternative". How many punks complain about the punks that came after, with no passion and faux aesthetic?
>>66248686
I thought that Punk was a reaction to Progressive Rock like EL&P? Are we going to see the rise of, dare I say it, classy Hip Hop?
>>66248771
Punk was a reaction to all mainstream rock of the 70s and what was left of the hippie dream
>>66248796
The way I see it, Hip Hop is in a similar place that Jazz was in the early 60's.
>>66248771
>classy hip hop
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiRPBCiJg2c
>>66248828
Explain
>>66248848
Jusus Christ, I don't want shit like that. Maybe something like Nujabes but mainstream
>>66248734
While gospel is fairly specific, I think a sound oriented toward R&B in general is a likely turn for hip-hop; this also follows the trend of things like shoegaze expanding from noise pop, as R&B hip-hop was fairly popular a few years ago.
>>66248753
"Punk rap" is also a good guess, though aggressive rap has been a mainstay since the 90s. As much is it resembles a /mu/ drone opinion, I don't think it's deluded to think that the 'industrial', abrasive hip-hop groups like Death Grips won't be the start of shaping a sound that becomes popular, even if only in alternative circles. You already have groups like Clipping and BLACKIE following suit, and to a lesser extent hardcore hip-hop like Run the Jewels is rising in popularity.
>>66248870
i would be so happy if music like Nujabes was mainstream
>>66248867
I was talking out of my ass
post-internet is definitely a thing that's happening right now. the term vaporwave is too limiting, but there is tons of recent electronic music which has been hugely inspired by the internet, both aesthetically, and sociologically (considering how the internet has drastically changed the way that we distribute and consume music)
>>66248771
Like this guy said
>>66248813
Both prog rock and folk rock/blues rock were extensions of what became the mainstream pop of the 60s, which of course was folk rock and psychedelic rock.
Now of course, it should be noted that punk was heavily influenced by glam rock, which was another scene that reached mainstream popularity for a brief period but ultimately was displaced.
>>66248796
I almost vomited
First there was Rock.
Then a bunch of pretentious wankers made Post- Rock
Now, I present to you, NEO-ROCK! zimzameni zam, flippity floop, zoobiddy zop zop zop.
>>66248891
If we're counting "post-internet" as the broad strokes of the past seven years of microgenres (seapunk, witch house, vaporwave, and to lesser extents hypnagogic pop, chillwave, and cloud rap), then that's a good example of the "alternative" music scene in the internet era.
Essentially, modern indie is out of the loop in that regard, which is why they recycle the same material while very occasionally incorporating what brief snatch of that scene they encounter.
I'd like to see more hard-driving, harsh, minimalistic rock that's really obnoxious
>>66248937
you mean like the white stripes, the strokes, etc? early 00s garage rock/new wave revival was basically neo rock
>>66248937
90s alternative was literally Neo Rock.
>>66249014
No. That was modern-rock. I want so see Rock that's super smooth, like a futuristic crystalline cathedral, while being primitive and organic as fuck. The best way to describe it would be like the setting of the video game "Enslaved."
Basically, I want a mix between Comus and EDM.
>>66249126
Pagan Futurism
>>66249126
>the best way to describe it would be like the setting of the video game "Enslaved."
Don't you have some video game soundtracks to be listening to?
I'm jesting, I suppose. The description is incredibly subjective (where it really only applies to you and really couldn't frame an entire new wave of sound) and so could be taken in any fashion.
What you want is futurepop but with folk elements.
>>66247898
Just wait till I release my Experimental Christian Synth Punk/Noisecore album in a couple years.
>>66249031
that was all pretty trash man and I love thugger and travis and yachty
>>66249208
I actually never played the game, I just remember seeing footage of it from years ago.
>>66249229
Blackhouse already did it.
>>66249008
>If we're counting "post-internet" as the broad strokes of the past seven years of microgenres (seapunk, witch house, vaporwave, and to lesser extents hypnagogic pop, chillwave, and cloud rap)
yeah that's what i meant, and even stuff that doesn't neatly fit into any of those categories, but is still obviously inspired by the internet. most people are quick to dismiss anything within that broad category as being a half-assed vaporwave joke, but there's a lot of amazing stuff coming from it, and i, for one, think it's really cool and exciting
>>66249252
There's at least two albums I know of that, based on my reading of your description, feel like that, but both are pop and not rock.
how has no one mentioned
A E S T H E T I C S
seriously vaporwave is becoming the hot new genre for normies
Nah the new genre will probably not be electronic. Everybody's already suck of effectscore
>>66249273
While I understand that microgenres in the internet era not only have even more imitators, but ones that are at a level of quality that would normally exclude them from being present in the genre, I've always enjoyed this sort of buzz club where people are trying to out aesthetic each other and by consequence make interesting sounding music out of it.
>>66249298
Because aesthetics, contrary to the cynical notion, don't make a genre, and vaporwave is simply a link in the chain of a microgenres.
>>66249259
Damn...
>>66249362
Then it won't be guitar either.
That leaves analog dance and alternative hip-hop.
Kind of you to speak for the entire global music audience, though.
>>66247863
still no progressive/psychedelic grunge
Avant-garde/meme/ironic genres won't be the next big thing
Stop trying to make it happen, it's not going to happen. It's like if you tried to make "televisioncore" or something in the 50s, forced attempt to be relevant
>>66247704
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scene_That_Celebrates_Itself
>>66249410
What were Alice in Chains and the Smashing Pumpkins then?
>>66249410
>Psychedelic grunge
Soundgarden
>>66249410
electronic grunge (think death grips mixed with kurt cobain vocals) will be next
>>66248181
>>66248531
>>66248594
>>66248621
Got you covered, lads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLeAqReD2XI
>>66249476
You mean hypergrunge.
>>66248303
Yeah but a mass culture existed in the '70s and '80s (and even into the '90s) to be rebelled against. We don't have Petula Clark pumped into our ears non-stop; now everyone listens to everything and it's fine.
V A P O R W A V E
Is music over?
>>66248434
There's ISIS poetry.
>>66249589
We're still forced into a status quo of rap, pop, and p4k indie. They're the prevailing trends, and they all have the same clean glossy urban aesthetic
>>66249532
well guess what these guys suck and thugger is good so i guess it all works out
>>66249624
Poetry isn't music.
Maybe they could work a loophole.
Calligraphy exists due to the Islamic forbidding art that was a representation of living things. So people just made writing stylized until it was literally visual art.
So cadenced, polyphonic Islamic extremist poetry set to repetitive beats is the future of music.
Muslimgauze was right.
>>66249676
you're taking this awfully personally.
They suck. That doesn't mean they're not interesting. But they suck.
>>66249780
congratulations you're on another list now
>>66249820
So are you for replying and so am I for viewing this on public wi-fi.
>>66249714
So sheikh to the future, but real?
>>66249854
Mahmoud Awad is from the future, son. Why did you ever doubt him?
>>66247864
>>66248452
here are some bands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeVYgjYYxBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=httVhI_9PTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWoWoq3N3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5s1j0XfFjc
some are mixed with the emo revival a bit but yeah
>>66249891
>implying you can't still be tracked on 4chan
>>66249840
the fuck is ham
>canadian asking
>>66250013
thanks for this... makes me feel like i'm reliving my teen years
>>66250219
ur fucked m8 say goodbye
>>66250435
well i mean like in the near future m8... music for this feel?
>>66249011
no-wave?
>>66250296
Kek he's gone.
>>66250579
new no wave
>>66249818
>>66249820
>>66250021
>>66250079
what was it?
just curious
>>66250726
He just said he was gonna bomb the Federal Reserve
In a joking way, as a test
...
It backfired
>>66249714
I would torrent this off NSA-monitored websites
>>66247682
No. The biggest movements since the 70s have been new wave, grunge, and nu metal. Nothing really has had any huge impact since nu metal.
>>66247660
No music is dead
>>66251443
Dubstep probably made a larger impact on the sound of pop music than nu metal did
No memes but vaporwave
>>66251555
For 2 years maybe. More akin to disco, really.
>>66247875
I feel as if cutting your dick off halfway through your music career would boost controversy popularity
>>66247863
what about deathrock then
>>66247682
No, op spents too much time on a Hungarian shoe glazing forum
Grunge/hard rock of the early 90's far overshadow shoegaze.
>>66249126
I think this anon is onto something.
I'm thinking something with super slick guitar riffs, with electronic waves as a possible bass replacement, but with occasional electronic leads. Kinda like some of the electronic sounds off the Discovery album by Daft Punk.
>Tfw too stupid to work a daw and don't have a keyboard to fuck around with this idea and capitalize on it
Why do you want to be a part of something bigger?
>>66251498
How can something not alive be dead?
>>66253286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBqxui5JA_s
I think this more or less fits the description you guys are giving
>>66247909
>hello, hello, hello, how lohhh frankie sinatra
>>66248686
>The reaction from hip-hop would still be based in hip-hop, but in a very different direction and probably outright in opposition to the mentality of existing hip-hop.
WHATS YOUR NAME CHECK IT BITCH
90's POST-HARDCORE/EMO REVIVAL WHEN
Is the NY Downtown art music/art rock scene dead? When did it die? Swans seems like the only remnant of it that's still making music, and they don't even identify with New York that much anymore.
>>66247827
>flavorwave
>post-dream
>noise funk
>pirate-pop
>pre-reggae
>hate music
I think most of you guys are forgetting about Rat King. Wiki and Hak both take a lot of influence from Grime into their flows and have a very gritty, "of the streets" vibe that is a major contrast to the decadence. Also Sporting Life's production features influnces from sound collage, footwork, and noise while not being that inaccessible. These guys are the "punk-hop" you've been talking up all this thread but they came too soon.
Check these tunes:
Comic from Wiki '93
https://youtu.be/8mP96khNdPM
Canal from So It Goes
https://youtu.be/uAWzCmkJqpc
Wiki has been putting in work to gain more buzz than ever as of late, especially with that mixtape he dropped. Sporting Life has also recently dropped a beat tape on Band camp that is excellent and shows how deep he goes into sound craft.
These guys are the future of hip-hop.
>>66253293
why wouldn't you
