This kills the progfag.
Wait, why does he not like prog again?
This kills the Kanye fag
>>66089499
the same reason anyone else would? because it sucks?
I don't like prog either. It's incredibly boring and has like 20 minute songs.
>>66089499
mmuh art rawk punks4life
>>66089845
More like
>muh simplicity! muh rock n roll! muh poptimism!
Christgau hates most artsy punk music.
>>66089499
he only likes back2basics punk rock from the streets of NYC
So basically, a guy that calls himself the Dean of Rock Critics says that progressive rock is pretentious garbage.
Nice.
>>66089998
>panned countless groundbreaking rock albums
>praised countless bland pop albums
>"Dean of Rock Critics"
Top kek
>>66088354
But he gave "Red" an A-, "Selling England" a B,
In one of his columns from the 90s, he said (paraphrasing):
"In my opinion, U2 always put on too many airs to suit my taste. They're a working class band with pretentions behind their humble origins. I will say part of my preferences are generational--the music I grew up loving in the '50s was fast, short, and funny. There's a kernel of truth in the somewhat specious notion that punk rock was '50s rock-and-roll revisited. Many critics in their 30s who came up with the AOR of the '70s, which was long, slow, and somber, probably see things in there that I never will and U2 were at the tail end of the AOR era in their soberness and wide sonic expanse."
>go read his prog reviews
>all of them are le witty and funny banter that doesn't actually explain why the albums are bad
>>66090259
He's an inconsistent, contrarian fucker. If he doesn't like prog/AOR, then he shouldn't put the Beatles in his top 5 artists of all time since they were a major ingredient in that. I can also name any number of LZ/Rolling Stones and shit, even Aerosmith records he gave Bs and As to all despite them doing the very things he complained about like huge 5+ minute tracks and slow, dirgy songs.
>>66090512
This entire post is retarded
Kill yourself, painfully, and slowly
>Christgau hasn't reviewed your favorite band that he would certainly hate
>Scruffy likes them
Feels great desu family
>>66090249
a lot of people who don't like prog like red though
>>66090555
Scaruffi is a hack, a meme, he will never be taken seriously like Christgau, who is arguably the most important music critic of all time. Scaruffi built his name by bashing The Beatles and Elvis and being a BBC cuck in general. (Why can't I marry a 12 year old!) Christgau while he has some opinions I disagree with, is respected and has good reviews.
Also he says he was born in the wrong generation to appreciate metal, however he's always liked hip-hop which came well after metal.
Man, just admit you wouldn't like metal even if you'd been born in the 80s-90s. My brother, he was born in 1993 and he's never liked it.
>>66090677
This. Plus his New Wave reviews are spot on. And this is coming from a ProgFag.
He likes Discipline, I've got no beef with him
>>66090737
His reviews are good when it's an artist he personally likes. On the other hand, his attitude to artists he doesn't like is totally childish and unprofessional for a professional critic.
>>66088354
>so-called "Dean of Rock Critics"
>can't be bothered to write a review longer than a bomb emoji for 90% of his current reviews
I notice Christgau has a problem with depressing songs and only likes upbeat, good-time-fun stuff. He said now that he's old, he likes Leonard Cohen because he presents a fundamentally optimistic view of old age.
>>66092327
And he seems to have an issue with "First World problems" suburban white boy angst.
Christgau is at least funnier
>>66092755
than Scaruffi, I mean
>>66092327
From the 91 Pazz & Jop Poll:
"As for metal, well, that's generational and more will come. Many of the younger guys who grew up on 70s AOR can appreciate it, but it's like Balkan girl groups--I'd be a fool to enjoy everything. To that end, I preferred the knee-jerk sexism of Use Your Illusion I to the asshole existentialism of Use Your Illusion II. I found myself putting James Hetfield out of his misery inside of 5 plays. Life is short and I felt it getting shorter with every song."
ONLY POSEURS HATE PROG
PROG ON
>>66092684
which is fucking ridiculous because he himself is a suburban white boy and even suburban white people need an emotional outlet and have issues
fucking nazis everywhere man
Boomers need to die off already. Punk Rawk Isn't that revolutionary
>>66089499
Because it's too good for him to feel smart while liking it.
I hate this dude more than Scaruffi. The fact that he dislikes prog so much really discredits him.
>>66089499
His favorite band is the New York Dolls, which is basically AC/DC but worse because people treat them like they're actual art. Some of the most repulsive music I have ever heard.
>>66090472
That applies to all of his reviews, including the positive ones
>>66093130
Yeh he even admitted as a teenager, he didn't like Elvis all that much because his fans were the football jocks/motorcycle greasers who used to kick his ass in HS.
>>66093219
Punk never claimed to be revolutionary though. The 70s punks were trying to recapture the back to basics garage rock that had been buried underneath the bloated stadium rock excess of that time.
>>66093367
I feel a little bit better knowing he got his ass kicked in high school.
do you think christgau has ever liked a black metal album
>>66093423
"I was never an Elvis Presley fan when I was a kid. In fact, I couldn't stand him. As it happened, I heard 'Don't Be Cruel' three or four times before I learned Elvis was singing it, and once I had admitted to myself that I was hooked on that song, it was no real sacrifice to extend my reluctant enthusiasm to 'All Shook Up.' But I never understood the excitement over 'Heartbreak Hotel'--I considered the Stan Freberg parody exceedingly witty--and refused to even listen to 'Hound Dog' or 'Love Me Tender.' Can it be that I was the only American under age sixteen who wasn't shaken by that seismic pelvic power? Bob Dylan lived for Elvis, and I thought he was just another greaseball.
Of course, he really was a greaseball, which was why I didn't like him--he reminded me of every rock who ever threatened to beat me up. All of his musical contemporaries were faintly comic, and most of them were black. They had no real connection to me. I loved Jerry Lee Lewis's records, but I wasn't really shocked, much less inspired, when he married a cousin who was younger than I was--that was the kind of thing crazy people from Louisiana did--and I laughed and laughed the first time I saw Fats Domino on television, because he was wearing what looked like high-top basketball sneakers, dazzling white, with white crepe soles an inch thick. Elvis was different. Like a lot of straight and scared-shitless adolescent males, I must have been jealous of his effect on girls, and perhaps I gained some cachet in my own mind by dissenting from such blanket popularity. But it was simpler than that. He was real, almost like guys I knew, and he frightened me a little."
>>66093246
are you on fucking meth?
a) this is one of their worst songs
b) on one of their worst albums
c) and they suck as a band in general
>>66093246
i can respect scaruffi as a reviewer. this guy isnt even good at reviewing shit though...
>>66093270
And Christgau never liked AC/DC much outside of the Maximum Overdrive soundtrack.
In The Court of the Crimson King [Atlantic, 1969]
The plus is because Pete Townshend likes it. The same can also be said of The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Beware the forthcoming hype--this is ersatz shit. D+
>>66094055
wrong so hard he's wrong about albums he's not even being tasked to have an opinion
>>66089499
prog is 100% ERSATZ SHIT
The Wall [Columbia, 1979]
For a dumb tribulations-of-a-rock-star epic, this isn't bad--unlikely to arouse much pity or envy, anyway. The music is all right, too--kitschy minimal maximalism with sound effects and speech fragments. But the story is confused, "mother" and "modern life" make unconvincing villains, and if the recontextualization of "up against the wall" is intended ironically, I don't get it. B-
>>66093367
He's not alone. Frank Zappa also hated Elvis and said 50s doo-wop was better and more listenable than Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin's entire discographies.
https://twitter.com/rxgau
>he has a twitter
what a faggot
My favorite:
Lateralus [Volcano, 2001]
What am I supposed to say about the latest in meaning-mongering for the fantasy fiction set? That they are not as good as King Crimson? That I do not like my Billy Cobham comp even less? That this is not progress? That I am not a virgin? All of the above. Plus I never liked Crimson much to begin with. C
>>66094465
Has he ever live-tweeted his experience listening to a rap album. I have to know the thought process of a man that actually enjoys listening to Soulja Boy's work.
>>66095135
Twitter didn't yet exist in 2007 when he reviewed that album.
>>66095561
Twitter was founded in 2006
>>66095644
So it was just brand new and about 10 people used it back then? I don't remember a single mention of Twitter existing before the current decade.
Reminder that he gave a Janet Jackson and a Black Eyed Peas album a better grade than all but one Pink Floyd album.
>>66090677
The difference being Scaruffi has better taste.
A Farewell To Kings [Mercury, 1977]
The most obnoxious band currently making a killing on the zonked teen circuit. Imagine a power trio Kansas or Uriah Heep with the vocals cranked up an octave. Or two. D+
Close To The Edge [Atlantic, 1972]
What a waste. They come up with a refrain that sums up everything they do--"I get up I get down"--and apply it only to their ostensible theme, which is the "seasons of man" or something like that. They segue effortlessly from Bach to harpsichord to bluesy rock and roll and don't mean to be funny. Conclusion: At the level of attention they deserve they're a one-idea group. Especially with Jon and Rick up front. C+
Spiderland [Touch and Go, 1991]
Out of Squirrel Bait by Hunglikealbini, a Trojan horse. Extolled for their multipartite songforms and, da-da, dynamic shifts from soft to loud, as well as their intimate knowledge of mental illness, these guys look like unassuming alternative types and in real life may be same. Their sad-sack affect fits right in. But musically--structurally, as one might say--they're art-rockers without the courage of their pretensions. And if you promise not to mention their lyrics they promise to keep the volume down. C+
Leftoverture [Kirshner, 1976]
Q: How do you tell American art-rockers from their European forebears? A: They sound dumber, they don't play as fast, and their fatalism lacks conviction. The question of humor remains open: Impressed as I am with titles like "Father Padilla Meets the Perfect Gnat" and Leftoverture itself, I find no parallels in the music. D+
It's Hard [Warner Bros., 1982]
Tommy's operatic pretensions were so transparent that for years it seemed safe to guess that Townshend's musical ideas would never catch up with his lyrics. And it fact they didn't--both became more prolix at about the same rate. This isn't so grotesque as All the Blind Chinamen Have Western Eyes, but between the synths and the book-club poetry it's the nearest thing to classic awful English art-rock since Genesis discovered funk. Best tune: "Eminence Front," on which Townshend discovers funk. Just in time. Bye. C
Hybrid Theory [Warner Bros., 1999]
the men don't know what the angry boys do ("Papercut", "Points of Authority") **
>>66093571
wow what a fucking cuck
The Money Store [Epic, 2012]
Nobody comes out and says Skrillex-as-Unabomber or Skrillex-sans-fun because Skrillex is uncool. But that's what it is: aggro keyboards by Andy Morin d/b/a Flatlander, spitfire raps by MC Ride d/b/a Stefan Burnett, and crazed drumming by Zach Hill d/b/a you-know-him-from-Hella. Hill gets the attention because you (may) know him from Hella, and also because he's always been a hyperactive math-rocker who carries many slide rules. But the key to this triad is Morin, known if at all as one of Hella's engineers. Excoriating as Burnett and Hill are, the real abrasive is Flatlander--the shrieking trills that attack from above toward the end of "The Fever (Aye Aye)," the armored vehicle gone haywire that is "System Blower." As for what exactly Burnett's so mad about, the booklet that comes with the physical is a great help, and anyway, why ask? In case you hadn't noticed, the title's a metonym for postmodern capitalism. A-
Run the Jewels 2 [Mass Appeal, 2014]
Peace to Killer Mike, Bing his Ferguson speech please, but I've been around too long to let a corticosteroid abuser like El-P get in my face about right and wrong ("Crown," "Angel Duster") *
>>66096219
So he's just like Kurt Cobain whining how jocks beat him up in school and he hated meathead rock like AC/DC and GNR ever since.
Astro Lounge [Interscope, 1999]
surveying the world temporarily from an orbiting vantage point ("Then The Morning Comes", "Satellite") **
>>66096437
hahahahaha
the wall gets a B but slint and yes get a C
colour me triggered
>>66096472
same
>>66096437
>>66096147
Wow, way to shit on people's childhoods. He's gone too far with these.
Superstar Car Wash [Metal Blade, 1993] :(
A Boy Named Goo [Metal Blade, 1995] :(
Dizzy Up The Girl [Warner Bros., 1998] *bomb*
Tonight The Stars Revolt [DreamWorks, 1999] *bomb*
Funkadelic [Westbound, 1970]
Q (side one, cut one): "Mommy, What's a Funkadelic?" A: Someone from Carolina who encountered eternity on LSD and vowed to contain it in a groove. Q (side two, cut four): "What Is Soul?" A: A ham hock in your corn flakes. You get high marks for your questions, guys. C+
>>66088354
>ersatz shit
NEVER FORGET
Henry's Dream [Mute/Elektra, 1992]
Cave's admirers crow about his literary virtues--a rock musician who's actually published a novel! and scripted a film! about John Henry Abbott, how highbrow! Then they proffer dismal examples like "I am the captain of my pain," or the bordello containing--what an eye the man has--a whalebone corset! (Whalebone is very literary--it hasn't been used in underwear since well before Nick was born.) If this is your idea of great writing, you may be ripe for his cult. Otherwise, forget it--the voice alone definitely won't do the trick. C
...Baby One More Time [Jive, 1999]
Madonna next door (". . . Baby One More Time," "Soda Pop"). *
Nevermind [Geffen, 1991]
After years of hair-flailing sludge that achieved occasional songform on singles no normal person ever heard, Seattle finally produces some proper postpunk, aptly described by resident genius Kurt Cobain: "Verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo, bad solo." This is hard rock as the term was understood before metal moved in--the kind of loud, slovenly, tuneful music you think no one will ever work a change on again until the next time it happens, whereupon you wonder why there isn't loads more. It seems so simple. A
His reviews are 2edgy4me.
Richard D. James Album [Elektra, 1996]
Jungle sure has livelied up this prematurely ambient postdance snoozemeister. His latest synth tunes are infested with hypertime electrobeats that compel the tunes themselves to get a move on. And where once he settled for austere classical aura, now he cuts big whiffs of 19th-century cheese. He even sings. Hey, fella--I hear Martha Wash needs work. B+
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
Shout at the Devil [Elektra, 1983]
It's hardly news that this platinum product is utter dogshit even by heavy metal standards; under direct orders from editors who don't know Iron Maiden from Wynton Marsalis, my beleaguered colleagues on the dailies have been saying so all year, and every insult goes into the press kit. Still, I must mention Mick Mars's dork-fingered guitar before getting to the one truly remarkable thing about this record: a track called "Ten Seconds To Love" in which Vince Neil actually seems to boast about how fast he can ejaculate (or as the lyric sheet puts it, "cum"). And therein, I believe, lies the secret of their commercial appeal--if you don't got it, flaunt it. Follow-up: "Pinkie Prick." D
>>66094495
kek, I like Christgau
Kid A- "Dinner Music
Loveless- "Scalpel Against Bone"
Big Black- "Hitler Youth Rejects"
Death Grips- "Skrillex Sans Fun"
On the Japanese - "The Japanese is that they don't know the difference between a Ramones song and a Wrigley commercial"
Souljaboytellem.com - A-
Seriously this old man can go fuck himself.
Scaruffi is awesome
>>66093246
you said something that wasn't retarded for once. I hate you slightly less
Atom Heart Mother [Harvest, 1970]
Believe it or not, the, er, suite on the first side is easier to take than the, gawd, songs on the second. Yeah, they do leave the singing to an anonymous semi-classical chorus, and yeah, they probably did get the horns for the fanfares at the same hiring hall. But at least the suite provides a few of the hypnotic melodies that made Ummagumma such an admirable record to fall asleep to. D+
Judas Priest:
Meltdown [1970s]
Everything Rocks and Nothing Ever Dies [1990s]
Pyromania [Mercury, 1983]
Fuckin' right new heavy metal is different from old heavy metal. The new stuff is about 5 silly beats faster. And the "new" metal singers all sound free, white, and more-or-less twenty one. C+
Eve [Arista, 1979]
Musically, this is a step toward schlock that knows its name--a few smarmy melodies mixed in with the production values and synthesizer furbelows. Thematically, it's both sophomoric and disgusting--programmatic misogyny rooted in sexual rejections that were clearly deserved. Visually, it's sadistic--the three women on the Hipgnosis cover wear black veils that only partly conceal their scars, warts and blotches. What is it they stencil on street corners? Castrate art rockers? D
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/spice-spi.php
That's right. He thought the Spice Girls were better than Nick Cave, Radiohead, Yes, and a dozen other artists.
The Allnighter [MCA, 1984]
If there's a new way to go Hollywood, Glenn'll find it. His latest solo album had died a just and speedy death when the Beverly Hills Cop blitz reached "The Heat Is On," a more Eagle-worthy song, than anything on this smarmy piece of sexist pseudosoul, and who ever thought Eagleworthy would someday be a compliment? Then Miami Vice keyed an episode to "Smuggler's Blues," the album's only non-DMSR track--the anti-Soviet "Better in the U.S.A." doesn't count, because the main thing that's better seems to be making out. Bingo, certified gold. C
Al DiMeola
Meltdown [1970s]
He tries not to seem like a drone that only likes what is praised by other critics, but simply goes too far in doing that and bashes objectively good stuff.
>inb4 music is subjective
>>66088354
Well most "prog" bands do suck desu senpai
>>66098228
Would it kill him to actually explain what he doesn't like about the artist instead of relegating them to his shitbucket list like that?
>>66090677
>Taking any meme critic apart from Lester Bangs seriously
>>66097939
He liked all the albums you mentioned though....
Ten [Epic, 1991]
in life, misery loves company. in music, riffs work even better ("Once", "Even Flow") **
Stand Up [Island, 1969]
Fans of the group claim it's a great album. Me, I don't like the group. I consider it an adequate album. C
Why does he write such short and pointless, off-topic reviews? I mean, he sits through 50 minutes of an album and can only write that music loves riffs?
He got PJ quite right though
>>66095877
Wow what a dick.
>>66098487
Just because he has a positive opinion doesn't make this good criticism.
Criticism's point is to try to attempt to encapsulate the work or show it in a new light. It isn't just supposed to be a product review. These comments show an inability to understand the work. You get the sense from the Loveless review he does not understand the album and holds it in contempt, and is giving it a good grade due to peer pressure. Kid A, with that dissonant traffic jam at the end of "National Anthem", is "dinner music". "Skrillex sans fun" showcases a stunning ignorance of electronic music.
Scaruffi's "negative" review of Kid A, in which he calls it a corpse rotting and absorbing new scents in the woods, is a better review because it does illuminate the album in a new light.
Also he has the gall to call Albini a racist for "Tiny, King of the Jews" (when it's forehead smackingly obvious from band names like "Rapeman" that Albini is fascinated AS AN ARTIST with the psychology of fucked up people) and then turns around and BELITTLES ALL JAPANESE PEOPLE AND THEIR ABILITY TO APPRAISE AND MAKE ART
And gives Soulja Boy A- while Liquid Swords stands at a Honorable Mention. On top of all this he fails as a star reviewer. He is literally incapable of making distinctions in quality
"The subjective voice is essential here because these records are pornographic. They mean not just to represent but to stimulate. Although in a grosser way this is true of all rock and roll, the task of getting bodies moving is basically mechanical--different beats for different streets, but the good ones reach across cultures and personal proclivities with remarkable ease and efficiency. When the aim is anything hotter than the warm feelings targeted by crooners and torch singers, sexual arousal is infinitely more complex and idiosyncratic. So all I can do is explain why Janet Jackson's moves work so much better for me than the jailbait sleaze of Britney Spears, who sings from the wrong side of too many orgasms, or the big-dick demands of Lil' Kim, which leave me out, or the experienced sangfroid of Madonna, which intimidates me even though she's probably a regular girl underneath. Velvet ropes notwithstanding, Jackson comes on pretty vanilla, and although her love songs per se lack bite, her sexuality seems steeped in affection. Yet she exudes carnality, a desire to please and be pleased radiating from and to the mucous membranes, and the nipples too. And thus she moves blood to the groin, where it awaits deployment in socially useful endeavors--in my case, marital relations."
>>66098967
>You get the sense from the Loveless review he does not understand the album and holds it in contempt, and is giving it a good grade due to peer pressure
This review from way back at the very beginning of his career.
Crosby, Stills, and Nash [Atlantic, 1969]
Rated by request, I've written elsewhere that this album is perfect, but that is not necessarily a compliment. Only David Crosby's vocals on "Long Time Gone" save it from a special castrati award. Pray for Neil Young. B+
>>66095849
>Scaruffifags actually believe that there is such thing as "better taste"
not surprised at all
How does he get away with whining about misogyny in rock in dozens of reviews yet he gives Bs and As to several disgustingly misogynistic, woman-hating Rolling Stones and Aerosmith records including Done With Mirrors, an album even Rolling Stone Magazine called a low point in terms of rock sexism.
What does it mean when he puts a bomb
>>66097600
Picky prick.
>>66099108
As explained in his review guide, "A dud rating indicates a record I found to be disappointing or tedious to sit through or outright offensive."
>>66099108
It means it's da bomb lol
>>66099081
Again, in a number of cases it was probably peer pressure. The Rolling Stones are a sacred cow so he was probably hesitant to give them bad marks. Though in the case of that Aerosmith record, it sure wasn't because literally everyone else including the band themselves felt DWM was garbage.
Van Halen [Warner Bros., 1978]
For some reason, Warner wants us to know this is the biggest bar band in the San Fernando Valley. Bar band isn't a suitable adjective. This music belongs on an aircraft carrier. B-
Body Count [Sire/Warner Bros., 1992]
Exploiting and burlesquing the style's whiteskin privilege from "Smoked Pork" to "Cop Killer," Ice-T's metal album takes rap's art-ain't-life defense over the top. Not only does he off pigs, he murders his mom--because she taught him to hate white people. Then he cuts her up, sticks her well-catalogued body parts in Hefty bags, deposits same all over this great land of ours, and suggests that listeners with parents on the racist tip follow his example. For Satanism he tangles with a voodoo queen and enters the "Bowels of the Devil," a/k/a the state pen. He wilds with Tipper's 12-year-old nieces, fucks his "KKK Bitch" in the ass when a rally gets his dick hard, and fakes an orgasm for good measure. And like any long-haired frontman worth his chart position, he sings a tender ballad--in which a coke fiend steals enough money to buy the best shit, then goes cardiac when he smokes it. A-
>>66098977
meanwhile
he was able to muster 13 words for Amnesiac, five words for Liquid Swords, and an emoji for Weezer's Blue
to name a few
>>66098967
>>66097939
>People defending Memeruffi
:)Beautiful(:
>>66099001
what's your point
>>66099199
Actually he wrote almost an entire graduate thesis on Damita Jo. That's just an excerpt I posted.
>>66090677
Scaruffi writes and describes music extremely well, christgau just gives 2-3 abstract sentences in replacement of actual good writing.
>>66099227
That he was rating records on peer pressure since the beginning. He actually admits there that CSN sucked but he gave it a B+ because the longhaired acidheads at the Village Voice back then all liked it.
Iron Maiden
Meltdown [1980s]
>>66099244
Well I agree with Christgau then that letter/star grades detract from the work of good criticism
That still doesn't correct the fact that he failed to see the sublime beauty of "Sometimes" and gushed over the creator of "Crank Dat". His opinions are still trash
christgau is a meme
do not take him seriously you dumbasses
>>66099417
do you know just how many of my childhood bands he insulted?
Someone needs to shop Christgau's head over Mr. Plinkett with a speech bubble saying "Hey, you kids. Metal sucks. Stop liking it."
>>66099237
:^)
So I guess he is a cuck who hates white ppl music while praising black artists. Therefore we should not listen to him amirite /mu/?
>>66099687
that's not my point
Souljaboytellem.com is ranked higher than Liquid Swords. It has the same rating as Illmatic, Supreme Clientele and Madvilliany.
Soulja Boy is better than GZA and is on par with Nas
SouljaBoyTellem.com is ranked as good as two of the three Coltrane albums listed
Does this not sound absolutely retarded to you?
>>66090551
Nice retort fucker
How about you pring up a real argument next time
>this guy reviewed in detail and gave As to dozens of Bonnie Rait (boring chick with an acoustic guitar), Aretha Franklin (boring, mealy mouthed niggress), and The Cure (mall Goth crap) albums while putting cool, badass music like AC/DC and Pantera in his shitbucket
>>66099822
it's kind of retarted to compare this rating as if they have something in common. Obviously Xgau thought that souljaboytellem is a terrific pop rap album at the ground of it's own substance and merrits, and those other albums in his opnion were pretty average for it's purpose and genre.
SOULJA BOY INSPIRED ALMOST EVERY RAPPER THIS DECADE
>>66099893
>it's kind of retarded to compare this rating as if they have something in common
>it's kind of retarded to compare ratings between hip hop albums and the rest of the larger family tree of black rhythm and blues music
ok
>>66099916
T.I. and Gucci Mane were doing trap before Soulja Boy
Gucci is the real progenitor of trap, and he can actually put up some decent bars too. Fuck Soulja Boy, if he influenced anything it was rap's worst vices compositionally
>>66100770
but you can't deny that they have different purposes in their music, that's what i meant
>>66100802
I mean, are they? It's all popular music, isn't it? MF Doom draws his name from Doctor Doom, Liquid Swords has a comic book cover, and "Crank Dat" is about Superman. They're all drawing on middlebrow comic symbology.
"C.R.E.A.M." was certified gold by the RIAA. The more prominent Wu Tang members are all multimillionaires.
So the music is all rap, it's all heavily commerical, and it's all drawing on the same influences.
You could argue that Soulja Boy is trying to make trap hits for the club, but I don't even think he's the best at that. Although they're not exactly his contemporaries (a generation after) I think Future and Thugger have iconic voice timbres that make them better at this stuff than Soulja Boy. I don't even want to get this granular though, the point isn't even Soulja Boy. The point is that Christgau makes bad judgments. You can look to his comments on Radiohead and MBV and Big Black for other examples. Hell, that purple prose somebody posted about Janet Jackson should be proof enough that the man's taste in anything is atrocious
>>66101172
And giving Done With Mirrors a B+ after crusading against misogyny in rock for decades. Shit, did he never listen to more than one song on that album?
I notice he never comments (or rarely) on the instrumental parts of an album, just the lyrics and vocals.
>>66101253
Or his review of Body Count. Ice T literally talks about raping 12 year old girls and he gives that album an A but oh no, when RHCP and Kiss did sex songs, they were worse than Hitler.
Well he does seem to have a problem with white males expressing their sexuality in music (unless it's the Rolling Stones), probably because it triggers some feeling of inadequacy in him.
>>66099880
>AC/DC
>Pantera
>badass
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