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Is this true?
Edgar Varese, Terry Riley, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Klaus Schulze
>>65996120
So it is true
>>65995859
why the FUCK is daft punk there it triggers my insides
>>65996120
All of these except Riley are avant-teen "more influential than good" core
>>65996120
the list goes on
>>65996178
Why not? Are you attempting to imply they are better or different to Joel?
>>65996120
>all post 1980s electronic music is either EDM or IDM
idm is literally techno, downtempo, dnb / jungle, so...
>>65996178
You clearly don't know Daft Punk's fanbase
I think I'd love the band if 99% of my exposure to it wasn't cringey 13 year olds
>>65996268
No, its not.
Downtempo is downtempo.
DnB is DnB
Jungle is jungle
What the fuck made you think they were IDM?
>>65996283
idm isn't an actual genre - it's more of a movement or scene (similar to krautrock) made up of non-dance friendly versions of those genres, or sometimes amalgamations of them. autechre are techno, boards are downtempo, aphex is techno and jungle etc.
>>65996312
oh wow
this is the dumbest post I've read all year, well done.
PROTIP: Jungle, downtempo, drum n' bass and techno all existed before IDM and IDM is not an umbrella term for anything.
>>65996327
Not him but you completely missed the point and probably have a sub-100 IQ
>Sean Booth: Yeah, there's definitely no hierarchy of the intellect going on. All these things about us being "intelligent" and the term "IDM" are just silly. I'm not a particularly intelligent person, me. I'm diligent, I'm pretty hardworking, but I'm not that clever. I ain't got any qualifications, I just pick up stuff that I think is interesting at the time. And is our music abstract and weird? To us or our mates it's not! Maybe if you've only listened to pop music, then yeah, it's weirder, because you've not been exposed to it. But that works the other way, too. I don't listen to pop, but someone dumped a load of Max Martin tracks on me to try and explain what he was about, and it seemed really, really alien to me, like Nazi youth music or something. I think everyone has a different idea of what weird is.
>>65996327
>IDM is not an umbrella term for anything
Then define it, shitlord. Put up or shut up
>>65996327
>Jungle, downtempo, drum n' bass and techno all existed before IDM
i know this - where did i say otherwise?
it's not dumb at all, the whole purpose of the a.i. series in the first place was to create "home listening" variations of club tracks. listen to that comp again and then listen to some of the techno tracks from that time and you'll see how closely related they were. sometimes it was even just a few filter effects that made the difference.
>>65996353
>>65996392
Autechre are techno
Boards are downtempo
Aphex is jungle/ambient/varous
There is nothing else to it. There is no greater ''IDM'' umbrella for all these to fall under, they aren't anything, it was just a fucking mailing list name.
>>65996404
If anything all of them would fall under the umbrella of downtempo not IDM since it came first.
countless arguments into "is Music Has the Right to Children IDM even if it doesn't sound like Aphex Twib?" we still have not found an answer to what IDM is. We know it started with the American press. We don't know what they thought they were talking about. We know almost every IDM artist doesn't want to be known as intelligent dance music.
>>65996429
i don't even think there should be an umbrella term. just call them what they are desu.
>>65996359
i love sean tbqh
>>65996445
I agree, thats why I said ''if anything...''
>>65996443
It was just the name of a mailing list, not a genre, umbrella term or anything else.
>>65996359
I saw some Pitchfork writer on twitter making fun of them for this quote. Of course he's an American journo and was prob just salty that they were invalidating a "genre" name that his profession facilitated in becoming an accepted term, lol.
>>65995859
wew
You forgot that weird hipster middle groud with artists like Porter Robbinson, Odesza, and Jamie XX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkdPkrCXMNA
>>65997342
They're all regular EDM, what?
>>65997355
Nah when I think of EDM I think of festival and Holy Ship type of music. The stuff I gave is all more chill and laid back than that
What I'm talking about is that middle pop ground so labels like Ed Banger Records
>>65997403
Ed Banger are proto-EDM
>>65995859
I'm an american who only listens to electronic music from >>65996120
and that pic is exactly how I see electronic
>>65997342
I'm very alternative my favorite DJs are Jamie XX and Disclosure
when did you grow out of idm, /mu/?
aphex twin
>boring, repetitive beats
>stupid "lol so randumb" aesthetic
>anti-vaxer
autechre
>gay for eachother probably
>literally just noise/fart sounds
>they like young thug
squarepusher
>doesn't have the fastest drums
>dumb retard face
>stupid, nonsensical name
boards of canada
>sappy emotional pandering
>le "nostalgia :(((" meme
>a fucking leaf
VS
twenty one pilots
>intriguing, introspective lyrics
>genuine emotion
>confuses plebs like fantano
>multiple genres, incredible skill with merging them
>real instruments
>hit singles
>>65995859
the EDM side is accurate, because it's basically rainbow cancer (daft punk is okay I guess)
I don't even know what the IDM side is trying to say, but at least it's a real genre and not meme music
>>65997488
>and that pic is exactly how I see electronic
Same. IDGAF how many bullshit names you give it, its all shitty UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ crap.
>>65997542
>IDM
>a real genre
>>65996353
well statistically you're probably right, since by definition half the population is below 100 IQ, you probably are too.
>>65997542
The point is its all either EDM or IDM to Americans
laurel halo interests me
>>65997528
>autechre
>gay for eachother probably
I wish desu
>>65997569
95% of Americans have never even heard the word idm. it's either "techno" like deadmau5, or "dubstep" like skrillex. no inbetween
t. ameridonald
>>65995859
fixed it for you OP
t. a pardner who is painfully aware of how the average person considers "electronic music"
>>65997569
lol americans don't know what the fuck IDM is,
Basically, nobody listened to any electronic music in US until dubstep, even then only weird assholes listened to it, then someone said "EDM" at some point and everything with a beep became EDM
I want a north face jacket now. I work outside... I feel like I've been tricked into appropriating a style for the first time since I was a teenager.
>>65997625
That's not even legit dubstep either. Like no one in the US listens to Mala lol
>>65997583
I swear I made this exact reply in a thread some time over the past few days
I thought I was reading my own post for a sec
>>65997617
Explains a lot about this board desu
>>65997767
tbf, its probably a regularly occurring sentiment fampai
>>65997814
I know, but I mean literally down to the wording
the only difference is that I may have forgotten the >autechre, but otherwise I'm pretty sure it was identical
are you me?
>>65997852
i mean, maybe m8. i don't pretend to know all of the the universe's mysteries
>>65997890
damn...
>>65997488
>>65997625
What about shit like moby?
>>65997957
electronic artists who got big in the US in the 90s
(Moby, Crystal Method, The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers) are called "electronica"
>>65997957
not that anon, but pop or electronica
what I find is that middle aged people tend to call stuff electronica or maybe techno if they're even older. people 30 and below would probably call it EDM or maybe dubstep if they're youtube-comment-tier
>>65997978
>>65997981
god, i fuckin hate the term electronica
>>65997978
>>65997981
Thanks for clarifying.
Speaking of which, what are your opinions on the genre, Moby in particular.
maybe if you just remove the right panel because the average American (or person) has never heard of IDM or those artists
>>65997981
So if electronica is the catch all term for mainstream electronic dance music in the 90s and EDM is the equivalent for the 2010s, what did people use in the 2000s?
Growing up I kinda remember all the big dance tracks of the 2000s just being called "club music"
So is this why techno or house or breaks threads fail so badly on this board?
Brit here, it was all either dance music or chillout, or call them by the genres they are.
Even my old dear knows the difference between big beat and house.
>>65998010
C'mon, loads of people know BoC and Aphex
Autechre are a bit more niche and cult-ish than the previously mentioned artists, but still p well regarded.
>>65998024
Just "techno" for everything
>>65998028
Most people who have knowledge about those genres and want to post about them just go to /bleep/ desu
>>65997996
imo it's better than the other three that tend to get thrown around the most, it's the closest anybody gets to just saying "electronic music" as a catch-all term
still shit though
>>65998010
I've heard only a few Moby songs and I can say he's not really for me. when it comes to those other artists I'll say that I'm not much of one for big beat but I can get into some of The Prodigy's stuff (though I prefer their breakbeat hardcore Experience-era stuff)
>>65998024
I guess I'd say electronica was for the early 2000s and EDM was the late 2000s. dance was used in the early 2000s too, but infrequently by comparison.
>>65998028
that and /bleep/ already containing the vast majority of the people who care for them, and they basically consider themselves separate from what I can tell
I knew /mu/ knew nothing about Electronic Music (as >60% of the board is American) but this is just ridiculous.
>>65998044
the average normie on the street won't have heard of them. at best they'll know Aphex Twin because of his quirky music videos from the late 90s. Although if you're talking about people who are a bit more into music, then yeah
>>65995859
Its just never been as popular or mainstream as it was in Europe.
While the UK had raves and there was Eurodance and all the different dance / downtempo genres exploding in England/Europe in the 90s, hip hop was big in America, or pop punk and grunge.
>>65998081
Yeah, it could be just that I live in a more "hip" area.
>>65998089
This is true - most Americans just don't have the proper context for many of these genres. Sure, when ace tunes come out nowadays some ppl can just dl them and listen to them at home, but that really doesn't compare to listening to a DJ spinning those records at a club on a proper soundsystem. There's hardly any club culture in the US apart from a couple of cities.
>>65998139
most of our music scenes over here (USA) are still very guitar based. no one really listens to bleep bloop music, it's rare to meet someone who's into it seriously.
I just listen to this, makes me feel British
http://kisstory.kissfmuk.com/live/
>>65998181
Yep. The main thing I miss about living on the east coast is the close vicinity to NYC. Some pretty gr8 clubs there.
>>65998181
Is hip hop not taking over?
Seriously though why do Bongs get upset that most people don't care to remember every obscure subgenre of their music that mostly sounds the same?
>>65998218
It doesn't all sound the same.
Weak b8
>>65998217
it's definitely the main stream. wiggers and chads love it, but every suburb you go to in America, there will always be kids who are into post rock and post hardcore and play music in their garages.
>>65998218
Smack my bitch up
never listened to """idm""" and even though this thread says its not a real genre, are there any artists from it worth getting into?
>>65998247
I think its fascinating how completely different 2 countries can be.
>>65998218
lol
>>65995859
>heavily generalized opinionpiece
No, it's not true, you fucking tool
>>65998252
t b h in terms of """IDM""" the only worthwhile artists are the big ones who are synonymous with the term, like Aphex, Autechre, BoC, Squarepusher, µ-Ziq, Venetian Snares, Clark, Plaid and other such artists on Warp, early Planet Mu and related
>>65998252
all of the big names are. Aphex, Autechre, BoC, mu-Ziq, Squarepusher, Venetian Snares, some less-discussed artists like Clark and Ilkae, there's a fuckton of very talented people put under the umbrella. seriously, if you haven't already then at the very least the discographies of the first 3-4 are worth exploring, and I'd definitely recommend Clark and Ilkae too.
so true. typical pards.
>>65997544
wew lad
>>65998252
Arovane have a tonne of good IDM. I love his use of the harpsichord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7JDJLXFeQ
>>65997544
doubles confirm for you're a major retard
>>65997852
>>65997890
I think the real question is why the sentiment is so common
>>65998341
not true at all. americans have no clue what IDM is; most americans think all electronic music is either dubstep, techno, or EDM
>>65998567
well why not
>>65995859
>>65997542 (<- american)
American people are uneducated fucks & the sky is blue. News at 11.
>>65996178
Why would it, they do french house so it's EDM.
>>65996268
that's not idm senpai, sorry.
>>65997528
is this bait?
>>65998597
Why does /mu/ praise so much IDM, it's not like it's something new, we're in 2016.
All I want are new melodies/synths and prog/electro house is what I appretiate the most right now, call me mainstream dutchfag but it's enjoyable and thats what music is all about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26MFp4zWJx0
>>65998691
>Why does /mu/ praise so much IDM
Look at the OP picture, if you listen to electronic music thats not IDM, you are the left people.
>>65998691
>that's not idm senpai, sorry.
yes it is
see >>65996412
>>65998708
You are correct, but when most people say "EDM" they are referring to skrillex-tier brostep commercial crap. All House, Techno, DnB, Ambient, Juke, etc. falls under the umbrella of EDM. EDM is represented by skrillex-tier brostep to people who haven't heard much electronic music. But there is a tonne of good EDM, namely in the form of the genres i mentioned before.
>>65998708
I listen to it all what the fuck.
Do you close your mind to one single genre of music and ignore all the other stuff there is?
If so, that image is what americans think is the edm listener, here in Europe we don't share your same point of view
>>65998745
That post says IDM is not anything but a mailing list name, not a genre or umbrella.
>>65998758
>>65998767
I agree, my post was highlighting what the average American on /mu/ thinks and why IDM is perceived more ''patrician'' here.
>>65996412
Their own beatports don't sell themselves as "techno, downtempo, jungle" they sell it as Electronica/Chill Out, they obviously want to sell as something else.
>>65998789
>beatport
>ever
wew
>>65998778
You said IDM is not techno or downtempo or jungle, yet the most well-known "idm" artists make those genres. That's what I was pointing out.
>>65998789
lad...
>>65998799
How do you support your artists then, buying shitty albums ridden with singles?
>>65998805
So? That doesn't make downtempo or jungle IDM, there are hundreds more arists who make downtempo and jungle that weren't on the mailing list before it existed and since.
>>65998825
I didn't say that though? No one else did either. Obviously not all Jungle/Techno/Downtempo is IDM, but most "IDM" is or is derived from Jungle/Techno/Downtempo.
>>65998825
learn 2 reading comprehension
>>65997342
I think this is exactly what you are talking about?
>>65997617
TRUTH
>ppl still bumping this shit thread
baka
>>65999418
>butthurt pardner spotted
>>65995859
Yes
>>65995859
geogaddi is a great album cunt
>>66001417
no one said it wasn't
>>65997528
nice original post friend!
>reddit.com
Well hello there
>>65995859
You missed vaporwave
>>65996359
humble af
>>65996205
t. pleb
>>65995859
no cocksucking faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqdw_KOeHI
>>66002200
Vaporwave sucks, kys
>>65996569
Well fuck that guy
what an interesting thread
>>65997342
Porter used to be on the same ground as Zedd, Skrillex, ect., until Worlds of course
>>66005186
>Porter, Zedd and Skrillex all had releases on OWSLA
is OWSLA the best alternative EDM label then?
>>66005233
>alternative EDM
What? And Skrillex (the label owner) is good mates with Zedd and Porter so it's not surprising that they've all released material on that label.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMj8UF7yYo
he's a fucking asshole
he doesn't look like your idm nice guy
>>66005369
basically music that isn't really engineered towards festivals or events. as popular as skrillex is, his music isn't really as club-orientated
>>66005436
just having a laugh man
Hate to break it to you fucking morons but that is all electronic music is anymore. It stopped being experimental and new in the 80s when synthpop came along and turned it all into EDM.
The only good electronic nowadays is chill stuff like Vektroid, XXYYXX, and Burial.
>>66005761
what the fuck are you saying,pard?
>>66005761
hes_going_all_out_b8fish.bmp
>>66005761
looooooooooooool
>>66005818
This usage of "pardner" is bordering on actual xenophobia at this point.
>>66005861
oh noes, don't cry
>>66005861
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>>65996178
Reminder that Daft Punk have a Billboard Hot 100 #1 and have an audience that surpasses most if not all artists discussed on /mu/.
Not to say they don't make great shit, but they're mainstream as fuck in the EDM world bro.
>>65997528
Screencapped for /r/music, thanks, memer!
