Has a female ever produced anything noteworthy ever in the history of music?
Before you SJWs get triggered, I am 100% serious.
Music is a man's profession. Always has been, always has been.
Women who had men backing them up...
>Portishead....Geoff Barrow and Adrian Utley
>Cocteau Twins...Robin Guthrie
>Bjork....Nellee Hooper
>CHVRCHES....The other dudes who wrote songs
>Pixies....the other dudes who wrote the songs
The only exception to this rule I can think of is Joanna Newsom and even then that's not much of an outlier to disprove my point that women are incompetent at music.
ctrl+v
Kate Bush
St. Vincent? Florence?
Also, Gracie Lawrence on this album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF8uJOCBxBI
Eliane Radigue, Sachiko M, Pauline Oliveros... I could go on all day.
Haim
Okkyung Lee
>>65948570
>>65948578
This is correct
Sofia Gubaidulina, Galina Ustvolskaya, Victoria Jordanova ... the list could go on
grimes
>>65948647
You know their father writes all their songs, right?
>>65948564
PJ Harvey
Jarboe
I like early Hole, so Courtney Love
>>65948564
>>65948717
I didn't. source?
Hildegard von Bingen
Cecile Chaminade (for writing one of the few flute concertos people actually care about)
Amy Beach
Lili Boulanger
REc threads belong on >>>/wsr/
Tori Amos, Regina Spektor, Kate Bush
Holy fuck this is the worst thread I've on /mu/. As if Kim Deal didn't carry the goddamn pixies and completely disregard the Breeders while we're at it. Black Eyes would be shit if it weren't for their female vocalist, hell I'd even say Wussy would too.
>>65948849
You're dumb as fuck.
Joni Mitchell
>>65948564
You obviously haven't listened to much music at all.
>>65948849
DAE think that Kim Deal and her sister have had an ongoing incestuous affair their entire lives?
If you watch them closely during that doc on the Pixies, where they're doing the reunion tour or whatever, she and her sister kind of give off this vibe? Idk it bugs the shit out of me thinking about it.
Joanna Newsom
Kate Bush
Julia Holter
Fiona Apple
Vashti Bunyan
Joni Mitchell
Sibylle Baier
Patti Smith
Lisa Germano
And those are just the ones I listen to. Stop being such an edgelord OP.
>>65948564
Your assessment of the examples shows a top-down approach to asserting credit to the artist, that is, you assessed them after you formulated your opinion on the subject. Someone who believes that men are inherently untalented would find their argument supported by any female involved in a male artist's career.
There are less women in the music industry, but I think it points more to social in/disincentives pitched differently towards the different genders, besides the obvious factor of mobility.
Who the fuck hasn't mentioned Janis Joplin?
>>65948578
Yeah but she had david gilmores help
>>65949011
so? every male in the music industry has had another persons help, too. thats just how the music industry is. almost nobody makes music completely solo besides some electronic musicians maybe. the "hurr what music this female musician made doesnt count because a man helped her" argument is incredibly shit and useless
>>65949041
:^)
Myra Ellen Amos
NICO
Ctrl + F
No Joanna Newsom
>>65949203
Look at the OP, dumbass.
Kate Bush
Jennifer Charles
Adriana Hölszky
Allison Cameron
Annea Lockwood
Annette Schlünz
Annie Gosfield
Barbara Benary
Barbara Strozzi
Bianca Maria Meda
Carla Bley
Carla Kihlstedt
Caroline Shaw
Charlotte Moorman
Chaya Czernowin
Chen Yi
Clara Schumann
Delia Derbyshire
Diamanda Galás
Dobrinka Tabakova
Élizabeth-Claude Jacquet de la Guerre
Judith Weir
Elena Kats-Chernin
Elena Mendoza
Eliane Radigue
Elis Regina
Eliza Brown
Ellen Fullman
Emilia Amper
Eve Beglarian
Fanny Mendelssohn
Frances-Marie Uitti
Gabriela Lena Frank
Galina Ustvolskaya
Germaine Tailleferre
Gloria Coates
Grażyna Bacewicz
Greetje Bijma
Haco
Ha-Yang Kim
Helena Tulve
Hildegard von Bingen
Hitomi Shimizu
Hiromi Nishida
Isabel Mundry
Isabella Leonarda
Jennifer Higdon
Jenny Scheinman
Jessica Pavone
Jin Hi Kim
Joan La Barbara
Joanna MacGregor
Julia Wolfe
Kaffe Matthews
Kaija Saariaho
Kassia
Kate Moore
Laurie Spiegel
Lera Auerbach
Lisa Germano
Liza Lim
Lois V Vierk
Lydia Kavina
Lydia Lunch
Maja Ratkje
Maria Schneider
Maria Szymanowska
Marian Zazeela
Maryanne Amacher
Meredith Monk
Michiyo Yagi
Mieko Miyazaki
Miya Masaoka
Nina Senk
Okkyung Lee
Olga Neuwirth
Pauline Oliveros
Pia Gilbert
Rebecca Clarke
Rebecca Saunders
Rosa Giacinta Badalla
Ruth Crawford Seeger
Sachiko M
Sainkho Namtchylakv
Sarah Kirkland Snider
Satoko Fujii
Sheila Silver
Sofia Gubaidulina
Sofia Jernberg
Susie Ibarra
Theresa Wong
Vanessa Lann
Wendy Carlos
Wu Fei
Wu Man
Yoko Ono
Zeena Parkins
>no soul sistas
Karen O
Didn't The Buggles had 9/10 songs only?
>>65948647
>HAIM
>noteworthy
oooooook
>>65949451
Why did you add Kate Bush and Jennifer Charles? It's supposed to be a list of important and influential women composers, not second rate pop musicians.
>>65948948
Thread/
Also Trish Keenan existed
>>65948564
the only two artist that have put out anything notable are Bjork and Pixies but men wrote their shit
>>65948570
>>65948578
>>65948607
>>65948608
>>65948647
>>65948722
>>65949761
these """"""""""""""""artists""""""""""""""""""" have not put out any noteworthy music
>>65948707
>>65948741
>>65948913
>Joanna Newsom
>Fiona Apple
Aretha Franklin
>>65948564
OP, you moved your goalpost
Looks like b8
>>65950287
The paste function has not released any good music? how fascinating.
How about Soap & Skin, Nico and Jarboe?
>>65948564
>The only exception to this rule I can think of is Joanna Newsom and even then that's not much of an outlier to disprove my point that women are incompetent at music.
>implying that Grimes, Ellen Allien, St. Vincent, Miss Kittin, don't exist
>>65950287
>these """"""""""""""""artists""""""""""""""""""" have not put out any noteworthy music
Stupid opinion. Do you really believe this shit? They have not put out any noteworthy music for YOU, not for others with decent taste.
>>65950474
da motherfuckin sharezone up in this bitch
Also Lauryn Hill
>>65950518
One of them was a post that just said "ctrl+v", so I think you might want to reconsider spending time in this thread
>>65950440
an album can be good but good=/=noteworthy
>>65950518
noteworthy isn't subjctive
>>65948564
You have shit taste. The fact you brought up Chvrches as if they have anything to do with this discussion proves that. It's no wonder you think women are incapable of making good music - you haven't listened to any.
>>65950547
tell my about ctrl+v
Ramzi
Natalie Rose Lebrecht
Holly Herndon
Fatima Al Qadiri
Kucka
diamanda galas is pretty good
>>65950576
this isnt an artist
Molly Rankin
spooky swed womam 1/2
>>65950615
spooky swed womam 2/2
>>65950618
your point?
>>65950680
>>65950693
whatever you say, go back to whatever website you came from libcuck
TELL ME ABOUT CTRL+V
>>65950711
>ctrl+v
>ctrl+vangina
>>65950745
what's her best album
what kind of person says sjw in 2016?
>>65950825
an autistic memer who hates the artistic output of ctrl+v
>>65949203
>>65949219
I typed the wrong name, I meant Imogen Heap.
Aqua - Barbie Girl
>>65948564
>The only exception to this rule I can think of is Joanna Newsom and even then that's not much of an outlier to disprove my point that women are incompetent at music.
OP, you seem kind of imbecile or a troll. What about Grimes who does everything except mixing? Singing, writing lyrics, writing songs, playing synths, samplers & guitar, producing all her music, drawing her own album covers and directing some of her music videos? Beat that!
>>65951198
Grimes is shit though.
>>65948564
Carla Bley
>inb4 hurr durr men played with her
Still doesn't take anything away from her performances as a pianist.
>>65951273
In what sense
>>65951273
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Angels#Critical_reception
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visions_%28Grimes_album%29#Critical_reception
Now prove it that she's shit.
>>65949451
>yoko ono
>>65948948
Totes too true me mama
Lisa Simpson
>>65948564
>Before you SJWs get triggered, I am 100% serious.
>uses buzzwords
>im 100% serious guys talk to me
>>65950615
>>65950645
!!!!!
>lists nothing but rock/pop
no wonder you hate women
you only listen to pleb shit
Vektroid
>inb4 "female"
Is anyone actually still taking op's post seriously? He's clearly either trolling or straight up retarded.
>>65950618
>>65951198
>What about Grimes who does everything except mixing
So I guess we should praise Tinashe too then huh
>>65948754
There is none due to it not being true
>>65951835
I like Tinashe.
>>65951545
Yoko is good, rockist fuck
sibylle baier
kim gordon
Has OP ever looked into the classical world? or is he just a popular music pleb?
Von Bingen, Clara Schuman, Delia Derbyshire, Gubaidulina, Ustvolskaya, Unsuk Chin, Eve De Castro-Robinson, Caroline Shaw. Just to name a few.
>>65949053
>. almost nobody makes music completely solo besides some electronic musicians maybe.
>>65949053
>almost nobody makes music completely solo
Literally every composer ever.
Fucking popular music plebs and their ignorance
>>65951922
But they don't perform it. Those sheets music worth nothing without someone performing them.
>>65951904
Are these composers or just performers?
(Except Delia Derbyshire, I know she was.)
>>65948564
This will only be solved after big labels start to put mainstream females into non singer roles.
They mostly put them into pop music roles where they are nothing more then "THE MOST REALISTIC HATSUNE MIKU OR MICROSOFT SAM EVER" of the their producer.
>>65951922
Reminder: Music made to notation is inferior to music made to record. It is missing an entire dimension of musical expression.
>>65951948
The music is written solo. It then lasts hundreds of years and whoever wants to play it plays it.
Yes performers are important to composers, and many composers revise based on performances and rehearsals, but a lot of music was simply "written for the drawer" and never performed during a composers lifetime. Shostakovich's chamber music for example.
Either way, composing is a solo task.
Ms. Black.
>>65948564
E D G Y
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>>65951974
>Either way, composing is a solo task.
But what about the modern music? There's production involved, which means that there's much more than notes and stuff, but actual sonic textures.
This dude >>65951972 has a point. Are the classical composers able to make something that feels like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrloyhzhrSk ? Just the feeling.
>>65949451
>yoko ono
>>65951960
All composers
>>65951972
notation only captures the music. it can be reinterpreted many times by many different performers. Music made for a single recording is limited by that single performance, and thereby limited in expression compared to what dedicated performers can do with a score, even hundreds of years after a score is written.
Over the years composers have worked out how to very carefully describe exactly what they want in a score, exploring all elements of musical expression. If you think recorded music is "more expressive" you're ignorant as fuck.
Most artists who make their music purely for a recording dont really know the first thing about music, and therefor are extremely limited in their musical expression.
If someone isn't a trained composer, they're limited in what they can express. They're limited to "this sounds good"
>>65952030
Composers are still writing solo even today. Some of the also produce. Even production can be done totally solo.
You can explore "sonic textures" without production at all. you clearly dont know what you're talking about.
Composers are able to make any feeling they want to. They know how music works, and they can make it do whatever they want, and very successfully.
>>65952039
notate loveless
>>65948564
Have you ever felt a vagina, OP?
>>65952039
>notation only captures the music. it can be reinterpreted many times by many different performers.
If that's true, how do you know what was the real intent of the composer? You can't argue with a recording, it's exact.
Also maybe those composers felt the need to express some let's say ambient textures but they didn't have the tools to do that.
>>65952059
Why would you waste your time notating something written by plebs for plebs?
Notation is for capturing ideas and saving them for future generations to enjoy. If you're going to spend time notating something, it should be your own works.
One could easily notate any album of popular music, but the question is, why the hell would you want to? its a total waste of time. Sure if you want to notate out some Bach fugues by ear, now there's a challenge, and you will actually learn something from doing it. But notating popular music? not worth the effort.
>>65948564
If music is a man thing then why are there women who are x100 more talented than you?
Its just culture, matter of time.
>>65952057
>You can explore "sonic textures" without production at all. you clearly dont know what you're talking about.
You can't. You're limited by the classical instruments which sound kinda the same all the time with small variations (e.g. a violin). That's why classical music sounds so boring and stereotypical to modern ears.
But with let's say a synth you could make unheard sounds.
>>65952067
Composers have been expressing "ambient textures" since the 80s. Look at gerard grisey or tristan mural scores. They're ambient as fuck.
You can literally notate any kind of music you like. Its not just for "Classical Period 1750 - 1820" it can do anything. You write what you want a performer to do, what kind of feeling you want them to be playing with, what kind of "Ambient textures" you want, and performers play it.
Some composers put too much detail in, and fuck performers over just for the hell of it, and for the experience. Like giving them misleading instructions. Brian Ferneyhough is notorious for this.
>>65952087
if you were kevin shields making loveless notation would not have done much for you
>>65952087
[tipping intensifies]
>>65951968
>"THE MOST REALISTIC HATSUNE MIKU OR MICROSOFT SAM EVER"
I am laughting more than I should
>>65952100
You didn't know that composers pioneered electronic music in the 50s?
Classical composers have always been at the forefront of music, and still are.
As for instruments, extended techniques mean you can make far more unique and interesting sounds than any synth. The possibilites are endless, and not confined to a box and some knobs.
Here you go, totally notated out synth music from 1958:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
And music incorporating synth and normal instruments from the 80s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4basuUUatf8
If you think classical instruments are only capable of playing "boring" classical period music like mozart and beethoven, you might want to look at the 20th century. Shit gets whack. Just remember that popular musicians are usually 30 - 40 years behind what trained composers are doing.
Paula Temple
Ellen Allien
Tama Sumo
Shanti Celeste
E.M.M.A
EVA808
Ikonika
tiNI
Bjork
Cooly G
Avalon Emerson
Laurel Halo
Xosar
Helena Hauff
Jane Fitz
Steffi
Anthea
Miss Kittin
Jlin
Magda
And that's just current dance music artists I can remember.
>>65952179
dam...im a #cruzmissle now
>Its a "plebs are still completely clueless about art music / classical" episode
I'm out
>>65952232
>Grimes missing
Suspicious. She's better than anyone on that list, except maybe Bjork.
>>65952271
ctfu
>>65952271
Lol, /mu/... Never change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1DUG29Hcao
>>65952294
>ctfu
Are you still alive?
>>65952039
And what happened in the 20th century?
Composers got bored, they searched and searched for new expressions, breaking the rules, making new rules and so on.
When you get to the point where there is no wrong notes, where do you go?
That's where concrete music comes in. The recording as the final piece. The ultimate form of musical expression, the lines separating composer and performer no longer matter.
>>65950799
Of course the best female singer is a white supremacist.
>>65948564
a woman invented rock n roll
>>65952656
also pic related
OP is ignorant af
>>65948564
Sia writes amazing songs stupid nigga
I love how you're using your ignorance of music to prove a fallacious point, well done.
>>65948564
Joni Mitchell
>>65948849
Worse that the vidya ost one?
Okay this thread is done, OP was right.
Heart is probably the most well know and popular female group to have made their own music.
>>65950207
>Kate Bush
>second rate pop musician
are you retarded?
>>65951805
male or female, Vektroid has never made anything noteworthy.
>>65948564
Maybelle Carter pretty much invented country guitar playing, which when on to influence blues and then rock
>>65952656
>>65952667
not agreeing with op but you've literally just posted 2 old pics of women holding guitars..
>>65952656
>>65952667
>two random women holding guitar
>suddenly media claims that they are innovative and such
It just shows how desperate Blackies and liberal medias really are.
Macintosh Plus desu
>>65948564
>Has a female ever produced anything noteworthy ever in the history of music?
>
>Before you SJWs get triggered, I am 100% serious.
>
>Music is a man's profession. Always has been, always has been.
>
>Women who had men backing them up...
>>Portishead....Geoff Barrow and Adrian Utley
>>Cocteau Twins...Robin Guthrie
>>Bjork....Nellee Hooper
>>CHVRCHES....The other dudes who wrote songs
>>Pixies....the other dudes who wrote the songs
>
>The only exception to this rule I can think of is Joanna Newsom and even then that's not much of an outlier to disprove my point that women are incompetent at music.
Nina simone a very rare example but she trained piano 8 hours a day like a male musician
I have literally never heard of any of the women listed on this thread. The only women that get attention in music just release pop radio garbage.
>>65948564
>Before you SJWs get triggered
Angel Olsen
Courtney Barnett
Sleater-Kinney
St. Vincent
Holly Herndon
Marissa Nadler
Girlpool
Frankie Cosmos
>>65955096
He KNEW he said some retarded things and that was his defence. What a jerk!
>>65954115
>>65954143
>Not knowing Carol Kaye or at least having the decency to reverse image search
She's responsible for a great majority of the 60's hits, from the beach boys, to Frank Sinatra, to Barbara Streisand, to the monkees and many other extremely famous artists, and still she only just did it for the money as a job, her true interests lied in Jazz and be bop
Silly OP you don't have to be a man to make good music. You just have to want to fuck women.
Laura Nyro
Songwriter credits including: The 5th Dimension, The Supremes, Chick Corea, Roy Ayers, Barbra Streisand, Three Dog Night, Sammy Davis Jr, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Peter, Paul & Mary, Carole King & Gerry Goffin, George Duke.
Also gotta shout out Joni Mitchell
>>65949451
>yoko ono
OP is virgin for life
>>65955170
Also responsible for that jammin' mission impossible bass riff :P
>>65951198
>anything noteworthy
>>65948859
Yup first name that popped into my mind too.
>>65955236
Grimes is very noteworthy. The music press is discussing her all the time (even the smallest events related to her), /mu/ have daily threads, her albums featured on multiple AOTY lists, lots of musicians endorsed her, she's playing for quite large audiences, what more do you want?
>>65948564
what is even the point of these threads? I mean besides OP releasing his frustrations because he's a fat smelly NEET who can't get laid.
>>65955170
>responsible
>bring a session/studio musician
>responsible
She did what the composers told her to do.
>it's another "Joanna Newsom is the only female artist I listen to" op
Vashti Bunyan
Ann Steel (though Roberto Cacciapaglia composed the Ann Steel album)
Natural Snow Buildings
Popol Vuh had a girl in it
Linda Perhacs
Sibylle Baier
Catrin Finch
Aine O'Dwyer
Mary Lattimore
Among a lot more, that was off the top of my head. And Joanna Newsom is overrated
>>65948722
>PJ Harvey
I like her part on that Nick Cave song. Does her own material sound like that?
