Ok, I got the groundwork for the ambient flowchart, but I'd like some help completing it. Post an ambient album, and say which album on the chart it should be connected to and how. Provide youtube links if you can. Reply to albums to nominate them if you think it should be on the chart.
Example:
>Marsen Jules - Yara
Connect from Endless Summer with the prompt, "more uses of plucked instruments".
Be as obscure as you want, I would like the chart to be as extensive as possible.
Do you guys prefer to listen to ambient through headphones or through speakers? Does it matter to you? I'm trying to get into it and haven't figured out which is better.
>>65912325
Pinkcourtesyphone - Foley Folly Folio. One of my favorite ambient albums. It can definitely creep some people out, so I'd connect it around roly porter and ambient 4. Afternoon theme is probably one of my favorite ambient pieces.
https://efferat456.bandcamp.com/
>>65912472
This is very good. I plan to put Incidence on the chart as well, near the glitchy branch.
>>65912325
the almighty Gas trio could probably be worked in here somewhere
>>65912541
Also - Bersarin Quartett - s/t. This would probably fit in the more pop oriented section with grouper.
Too beautiful to burn - Martin Siewert & Martin Brandlmayr
> Cold
> Electronic
> Improvised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrKQl9yj0oI
>>65914033
This is beautiful! I love martin siewert.
You'll get to it by way of Ryoji Ikeda with "more feelings"
>no SAW I
>>65914945
it's not ambient
Maybe put M83's Digital Shades on the chart somewhere?
i got a progressive rock album with a lot of ambient on it that worths a site on the image but i don't know where put it
see this tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChYXxNMWqdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4-nsYzRzH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OvdHBcgrOQ
>>65916987
it has influences of tangerine? maybe if you put "more progressive" in some line
Friendly reminder this masterpiece isn't on your god damn flowchart
Peace be with you friend
>>65918694
This is not ambient music
>>65918735
Maybe not the entire album, but a good chunk I would classify as ambient.
>>65918856
>>65918694
t. ambient embryo
NOT ambient
>>65912325
r + 7 is not ambient.
>>65918856
That means it's not ambient. Is Kid A ambient because it has treefingers on it?
>>65918694
this isn't even close to ambient wtf
thats like me putting radiohead on a funk flowchart
>>65915015
It is. It just has drums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SnzlHve1ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvFOYmzljM
near grouper maybe?
>>65912653
>>65920140
Sorry for the wait, these are also being added
>>65919582
it's more techno than ambient imho but i haven't listened to it in quite a while
always thought rdj, ctd, drukqs, and analord was aphex twin's best work anyway
>>65921559
i would agree SAW1 isn't really ambient as far as this thread is concerned.
SAW2 has some of the most sublime ambient tracks I've ever heard.
>blue calx
>stone in focus
>LICHEN
>RHUBARB
>>65912325
loveliescrushing - Xuvetyn
Coming off JCL and Belong with the tag "I like the guitars but less noisey" or "I like the shoegaze element" or something
Also off START HERE you need The Stars Of The Lid and Their Refinement of The Decline with the caption "more of the same" because I argue it is their stronger work. That can connect to William Basinski with the caption "Orchestral elements are nice." It could also link to Elaine Radigue
>>65912325
Steve Roach - Structures From Silence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEnMW03cdpI
>Peaceful, space, beautiful
Klaus Schulze - Irrlicht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8tjPGCWlTM
>Birth of the universe, darkness of the universe, intense
Dunno where these would be haven't heard any ambient besides them but they're two of the best things I've ever heard in my life, and deserve to be on a /mu/ essentials chart.
>>65922017
Irrlicht could come off Tangerine Dream with the caption "serious now please" and then continue toward Time Hecker with the same tag "scarier"
Duuno where Steve Roach could go.
shoegazey ambient
not sure where it would fit in chart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOtQqxaPVmc
>>65912653
>Bersarin Quartett - s/t
After that you could add Field Rotation - Acoustic Tales with the caption "More electronic influence/industrial ambient." It really is a stunning album, especially if you live in an industrial city like Chicago or Texas City or Queens or Ho Chi Minh or something
Needs a warning "Almost not ambient anymore" though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OFi2liGXIk
Gas's Zauberberg has to be on there, somewhere in the darker corner with "like this but with beats"
I'd put Vladislav Delay's album "Entain" coming off of Fennesz
And I'm going to get shit for it but I would add 2814's 新しい日の誕生 on it, maybe coming off of Grouper but "with more comfy vibes and sampling"
>>65912325
Coming off William Basinski you can have this album by Preslev Literary School called La Réflexion Du Tir with the caption "I enjoy the spacious feeling. Like this but droney and not based off loops" it can also connect to 800 000 seconds in Harar because it straddles the border between field recording and ambient music production
>>65922084
I'd argue if you're using Windy and carl to use this album We Will Always Be
It can come off Grouper with the tag "Less spacey, more homey"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huBSB3N_yVg
I think there needs to be another Hecker album, either Ravedeath (my pick) or Harmony In Ultraviolet. He has worked in so many different styles, just having his spookiest one isn't the best representation.
Also the Hecker/Baker collab Fantasma Parastasie with JCL and Belong.
I'd actually replace IAALOBO's Summer In My Veins with his album Innocence, not only is it (IMO) a much better album, it's definitely more ambient and could serve as a connector between techno-influenced ambient and harsh noise.
>>65912325
Coming of OPN r + seven could be this album by 2814 - 新しい日の誕生(Birth of a New Day) with the caption "mmm A E S T H E T I C"
>>65922446
forgot image
>>65922421
Ravedeath could come off Endless Summer with "I need this in an echo chamber"
>>65912325
OP Can we get an update?
>>65922446
I agree that it should be on there but don't make it look like an ironic choice because it's actually really good
>>65922555
I think people understand now that that method of stylising is an easy way of saying it's vape or at least shares vapourwave elements.
Coming off of Aphex you could have Haxan Cloak - Excavation
with the caption "More bass, darker"
>>65918694
look dude. that album is one of the best ever. but it aint ambient. i love you just the same but damn man
>>65914164
This
>>65922528
OP here. This is what I have so far. I'm working hard at skimming the more obscure albums you all give me.
>>65923260
getting there, keep going at it.
Out of Music For Airports you could add Julianna Barwick - The Magic place with the caption "I like 2-1/the more vocal bits"
You could include a few dungeon synth albums if you want to span the full ambient spectrum
this noisy, shoegazey ambient stuff is amazing. I'd love a list or flowchart or something just for that.
(Windy & Carl, Yellow Swans, Belong)
>>65923440 (me)
or at least some more recs. anyone got any more?
>>65923350
this
>>65923454
Whirr (formerly Whirl) are great wall of noise shoegaze but very pleasant noise. Get Distressor EP.
>more shoegaze than ambient
loveliescrushing is my favourite dronegaze
Bloweyelashwish and Xuvetyn are wonderful albums.
>dronegaze
Jefre Cantu-Ledesma is another favourite of mine. Love Is A Stream holds a very special place in my heart because of its nature of being an album for any situation. Hidden in the noise are hints of happiness, anger, confusion, warmth, content, hurt etc that you can extract from the music to feel or amplify that emotion. It works in any weather, at any time of day, doing most activities. It's his best release. Pic related
>noise/shoegaze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zthv_-DDlvU
Flying Saucer Attack - s/t is a nice one. Much less in your face and backgroundy shoegaze/drone/ambient
>noise/shoegaze
Astrobrite - Pinkshinyultrablast
Alot the songs on this album are related to colour. Much harsher than my other recs and shares a lot in common with Jesus and Mary Chain. I found it on /mu/ is a "music you listen to while on drugs" thread and this guy said he listened to this album while sniffing glue.
>noise
Airiel - Winks and Kisses: Melted
This guy released for EP's called Melted, Dizzy, Crackled and Frosted. Melted is the best.
>straight up shoegaze in lieu of slowdive
>>65923350
Agreed, dungeon synth is crucial OP. At least put Depressive Silence II on there for a start.
Other essential ambient:
Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting (first real ambient album)
Ashra - New Age of Earth (Happy, Krauty)
Robert Rich - Somnium (Sleep Music)
Richard Skelton - An Ash Tree Which The Ignorant Call Holy (Album about trees made with homemade instruments)
I'm assuming you don't want to cover dark ambient since that's a whole other world?
Nice idea! Just don't let it become another shoegaze chart.
Maybe take some ideas from previous charts?
Ricky Eat Acid is cool
Dungeon synth
>>65924874
The most cohesive REA album is probably "you get sick, you regret things"
Sigur Ros
Emeralds
Fennesz
"Pop" - gas
>>65925128
>Sigur Ros
only Valtari is ambient, it is great however.
The rest of their stuff would belong on a post-rock chart and not ambient.
OP the fuck you at?
This thread is full of great recommendations for the chart with annotations and errythang.
>>65926499
maybe he's sleeping. keep this thread alive til OP joins the living again
>>65912325
I've personally gone through the Nil Admirari -> Going Places -> Love is a Stream path, great reccs already OP.
>>65912325
You could make paths to get into ambient from other genres, easy ones would be classical, krautrock, shoegaze and IDM.
Also you could make the chart much more lively with a nicer background and title.
As it's an ambient chart it could just be a cool gradient but please something other than solid black.
this, as well as some Taylor Deupree release should be on it imo
DARK AMBIENT
Dark ambient is made in 4 ways
A)Soundtrack to a horror movie
B)The field recording of a horror movie
C)A + B
D)Just a wierd song
And if you want to be specific:
E)A with minimalistic B
F)B With minimalistic A
Also artists usually try to fit on those themes
Average dark ambient
Themes:All kinds of themes
Artist: Lustmord
Type: A, D, C and E
Drone Ambient
Themes: Mistery, "something is going to happen but I dont know why"
Artists: Oophoi
Types:A and D
Other: Has drone music influences.
Black Ambient
Theme: Black metal themes
Types: D
Other: Has black metal influences
Death Ambient
Themes: Monsters, apocalipse
Types:B and F
Other: Here, the sounds of the stuff happening is in your face.
Deep Ambient
Themes: Caves, top of amoutain, lost somewhere
Artist:Amon
Type: B and D
Other Very minimalistic, sometimes windy stuff
Ritual Ambient
Types: All
Theme:Ritual or meditative stuff
Artists: Endvra
Other: traditional Folk influences, sometimes new age influences,....
There is also military ambient and neoclassical ambient, but I am not putting them here, because most of the time those names are wrongly used to stuff that is not dark ambient, on the case of military ambient they use it for martial industrial and on the case of neoclassical ambient most of the time they use for neoclassical darkwave.
Some guys split into more stuff, but the other stuff they name its basically the same stuff posted here (most of them would fit in average dark ambient type)
>>65928172
MORE EXAMPLES
DEEP AMBIENT
amon ( the one with the album El khela )
where
SleepResearch_Facility
DEATH AMBIENT
Habeeb
mortar (the one with the album Sepulchres)
Crepuscule (the one with the album closing wounds)
RITUAL AMBIENT
alio die
tuu
Obitania (the one with the album Pagan Crystal Sphere)
Cocytus ( the one with the album Dtxenioutha)
Exotoendo
Wejdas
BLACK AMBIENT
abyss (the one with the album mental self destruction)
Amaka Hahina
Dapnom
Hunok
Foldalatti Alakulat
DRONE AMBIENT
Cisfinitum
Closing the Eternity
Dronæment
David Wells (the one with the album Efegin)
Nautic Depths
Fanum (the one with the album 2008 album fanum)
Exit In Grey
As Lonely As Dave Bowman
Perimeter
Kshatriy (the one with the album Slepok Soznaniya)
Sans Serif
Troum
Oöphoi
ALBUMS:
DARK AMBIENT
Jeff Greinke - Cities In Fog
Endvra - Liber Leviathan
RITUAL AMBIENT
Mathias Grassow - Awaken the Empire of Dark Wood
DRONE
Context - Changed Music 2
>>65912325
In the noisier stuff you could put some James Ferraro or Spencer Clark or even Dolphins Of The Future
you would put Clear or Rerex when comes to ferraro stuff and The Skaters - Dark Rye Bread
>>65912380
I'm interested in it too. My headphones are broken so I have to use speakers right now anyway.
>>65912325
Dreamatorium by Dearh Cube K
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUj79PM-NI
I'm interested in seeing how this would fit in to the chart. I guess somewhere in the bottom-left corner because of how spoopy it is, but give it a listen and see what you think. Maybe give a few ther albums from the project a shot as well.
Basically, it's Buckethead and Bill Laswell doing Dark Ambient/"Experiemntal". In at least one or two later projects, Bill Laswell is replaced by Keyboardist Tracis Dickerson, but Bill came back for the latest album.
>>65928493
Same person
"Travis", not "Tracis"
>>65928060
I think that this could be a good background t.b.h
Which chart are worth grabbing in the thread?
I don't know which is the most up to date
I think The Ravedeath is a more acurrate ambient album than Virgins. It is more cryptic and allows more for the imagination due to be less melodically structured.
If OP puts this, it would be around the noisy parts, but also more dreamy I guess.
Also, would you guys consider Luxury Problems ambient? Or it's more of an IDM album?
>>65932010 here
I would also suggest about puttinh Brian Eno's Apollo or Harold Budd's Avalon Sutra. The First one is hard to categorize because it's both poppy, and both droney. The latter is a more relaxed piano/sax album.
I don't really know how to categorize these both. Kinda hard for me at least.
OP here, haven't added much since I woke up, but here's the latest version. Finally reached the file size limit so it's half the resolution.
>>65932384
Stars of the Lid is a bad place to start and R+7 isn't ambient. Replica is closer to ambient
Still nobody posted Aporea for Ritual Ambient.
> No Helios - Eingya
>>65928092
Nice recommendation.
Seconding
>>65932384
Could you make it higher resolution?
>>65932462
As much as I adore R+7, I kind of agree that it's a tad out of place on this chart.
>no Biosphere
>no Gas
Those are two of the greatest essentials in ambient music and it's hard to try and argue against that
>>65923260
Drop the "/mu/'s official" you narcissistic asshat
Needs some James Leyland Kirby , or The Caretaker recs. Like We Drink to Forget the Coming Storm, Patience, Death of a Rave, and An empty bliss beyond this world
>>65928697
Cool idea.
Where OP at?
>>65923652
thanks for the recs!
Anyone know anything similar to this Infinite Body album? I haven't really been able to find anything quite like it
>ambient thread
thank the eternal demiurge, i needed to listen to new stuff.
>>65912325
replace that roly porter album with by the throat or some other dark ambient/slightly noisy artist
also replace transform with xerrox 2
r+7 has no place being there
also tim hecker is way too important to be placed in a such a "secondary" offshoot of the chart, and only under "spooky" tag
>>65912325
Its a good chart apart from one thing
Brian Eno's music for airports should be the starting point
>>65935198
I agree. I love Stars of the Lid, but Music for Airports is better for someone just starting out. Two hours of drone might be a little overwhelming for a newbie.
>>65912325
After Brian Eno's Ambient 4, a little bit harsher.
BTW, nice chart, OP.
>>65928092
I also recommend this.
>>65928493
This is a great album. I thought no one in /mu/ knew about it
>>65933682
Either Belong - October Language or Jefre-Cantu Ledesma - Love Is A Stream. Although, they still are quite different.
