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How do you guys make 909 beats? Whenever I use 909 samples it's a wall of sound and I can't fit any synths in.
>>65856537
maybe find better samples. there's a big pack of old drum machine samples out there i'd have to see if I could find it again.
since we're on the subject everybody post your best drum packs. my shit got deleted recently so i'm fresh out desu
Any Chicago /prod/man in? I need someone else to ping ideas off of
>>65856614
I'm using the primeloops 909 pack, the samples aren't bad but they are very dense compared to 707/808 ones. I would post some but I'm on my phone.
hey /prod/ how's everybody doing today?
i'm trying to do better with this shit, been working on a track for a lil bit now, still in the beginning stages but was wondering if I could get some feedback on this
https://clyp.it/ts0t5jtr
speakers came in, they sounds pretty accurate and the sweet spot is huge! But i'm having some buyer's remorse from not giving the Yamaha HS5s a listen before buying these... concerned the JBLs have too much low end for my room.
>>65856644
sup?
Should I buy this or is it overpriced?
There is no real equivalent...
>>65857728
i borrowed one from a friend for a couple months. it had a beautiful sound but I must admit it did sit on my shelve for a while. I dunno 900 is pricey
>>65856814
>>65856537
its called processing and layering nigga
stock 909 samples/sounds, even from the machine itself, need a lot of processing to sound good at this time and age
>>65857728
depends on your workflow and what music do you make
I reckon is great for a quick jam and throwing down basic ideas together.
>There is no real equivalent...
there's the Octatrack, which I would get instead of the OP-1. More expensive, a horrible steep learning curve but so much more versatile
>>65856537
I use drumazon. it's pretty great
Can anyone recommend the best drum sample libraries for post-rock stuff?
Think drums from Hammock..
>>65857728
its kinda like a modern day groovebox.
if it interests you and you've got the money to burn, go for it.
but you could save up a bit more and get something from elektron. or spend less and try to find a cheap mc-505 or something from the Emu command station series.
>>65856881
please
>>65858293
sounds okay, good choices on the track layering.
the pad chords leave something to be desired, but you only gave us a few phrases of the song, id imagine that is going to change up a bit in another section?
>>65857631
Nice set-up dude. Uptown by Wilson red line here. You somewhere in west town I'm assuming? My kik is chiggywawa if you got that
I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this synth.
I really need a poly with plenty of controls and full sized keys.
I considered the minilogue, but it has minikeys, and a pretty goofy shape. Plus nobody has them in stock so I can't even try it before buying, let alone buy one.
why is /prod/ so dead
someone bring back lunga
>tfw the music you want to make is always out of scope
>>65858447
yeah i'm gonna work on some variations and chord changes as I go along and maybe add some sort of synth or keys if i can find something that fits
thanks friend
>>65859653
yeah this place is pretty dull right now
https://clyp.it/b4cfuk0c
rate, fags. make sure to listen to more than just the beginning, it gets intense(r). you can send donations to my 4chan inbox
Just using the 808, 909 & 606 kits that came with Maschine senpai
>>65856881
>https://clyp.it/ts0t5jtr
Sounds good, not sure what else to say as not my listen to genre really.
What's a good DAW for recording audio? I've been making beats in FL Studio and then recording raps in Audacity and exporting individual tracks back and forth for editing and stuff. Audacity is extremely limited.
>>65860259
Logic, Cubase, ableton, fruity toots...thought all DAW's nowadays recorded audio?
Personally I'd go for Wavelab for recording Audio
>>65860346
FL Studio records audio but the way it does it is extremely annoying. The waveform doesn't show up until after you record and for recording vocals over a beat I generally prefer something that looks like Audacity.
>>65860434
use edison and it shows up as you're recording??
anyone read aphex twins noyzelab interview before it mysteriously got taken down?
in it he talks about recreating ghetto spring reverbs with contact mics and slinkys which sounded nuts but i found this video today showing off the effect
https://youtu.be/8fXl67zGZlo?t=8m17s
he also talked about creating a 'real' phaser sound by playing back two copies of the same recording on different tape decks running at the same speed, and then adjusting the speed of one deck, usually by touching one of the reel decks
he reckons no digital or software plugin can get anywhere near the 'real' sound of these effects, its got me fascinated
should i cop an unserviced juno-106 for $550?
fuug
>>65860882
theres a guy on youTube that has made a giant slinky reverb unit that sounds insane, well worth a watch
>>65860882
>>65861752
hers the link.
https://youtu.be/wt3iaHXwPPk
>>65861736
How unserviced are we talking? If its just chips its a decent price.
>>65861847
he says that the only problem he sees with it is that the program number led takes awhile to "warm up". I would definitely try to test the chips before buying it, though at the moment i don't know alot about how to do that. If i can visit him and confirm that all the chips are fine, i think imma take it. If not, it's a tough choice cause internal servicing is at least like $150.
I'm seeing from sold ebay listings that this thing is often going for up to $800 as long as it's working well internally.
going to try to meet up with him and see what's what tomorrow
>>65861832
thats absurd thanks for the link
Have a bump
>>65862302
thanks dude :)
Currently working on a witch house song.
This is FAR from done but I've never produced witch house and would like to hear some opinions:
http://www72.zippyshare.com/v/GJt18KD5/file.html
What's the point of using a DAW when you can produce music using raw bytes?
>>65860882
>creating a 'real' phaser sound by playing back two copies of the same recording on different tape decks running at the same speed, and then adjusting the speed of one deck, usually by touching one of the reel decks
Flanging is done that way, not phasing. It's where the effect took its name from - the effect is created by manually vari-speeding one of two synced tape machines by touching the flange of the tape spool.
>>65862269
If the chips aren't already serviced there is like a 99% chance they will need to be at some point. I sent my 106 to get serviced 2 months back, just got it back like 3 days ago and one of the chips fucked up on me yesterday. The only good thing is that mines still under warranty.
>>65862768
By contrast, phasing is done by using an all-pass filter to change the phase of a signal, the degree of phase change being dependent on the frequency of the signal so some frequencies are shifted in time more than others, while flanging applies the same amount of time-shift to the whole spectrum.
>>65862850
where did you get yours serviced and for how much?
I made a cloud rap beat
https://clyp.it/rsxosh1p
what do you think?
>>65858885
Anyone?
>>65863224
never heard of it
>>65863087
It was a local place and it was $230 for all 6 chips
>>65863224
patience, 99% of anon's in these threads /prod/ ITB with pirated software.
Some hardware fag will be along shortly to answer all your analogue needs
>>65858885
If you have to invest 1k into hardware you WANT to try it, believe me.
I've never tryed any dsi synth beside the prophet 6 and it sounded like jesus.
Just ask yourself: do you really need an analog poly? It is just gas? What's the purpose of this instrument?
>>65863252
Insightful.
>>65862768
>>65862916
Love posts like these. Where did you learn that?
>>65863598
Used to work at the BBC as a transmission engineer and the flanging thing was common knowledge among their audio people and was where I heard it first, phase shifting with all-pass filters gets used a lot in broadcast too, especially radio, as does variable-frequency compression - look up a device called an "Optimod" that has been used for many years to maximise signal levels for radio and mangle the most carefully-balanced mixes.
Ethan Winer's book "The Audio Expert" is a good resource to learn which circuits get used in which processors.
I'd add to this that the language I used for variable-delay with all-pass filters was slightly misleading - the filter always applies the same amount (ie the number of degrees of phase shift) to all frequencies, but what this means is that a 90-degree phase shift for example (1/4 wavelength) introduces more time-delay on a low frequency/long wavelength than it does with a high frequency/short wavelength signal, while delay with flanging changes for the whole spectrum at the same rate.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JXmryJbuz4
fuck dude i need help
>>65864071
oh thats cool. anymore recommendations considering books and stuff?
>>65858885
Should be a solid synth, as far as 4 voice poly analogs go. I am not super familiar with this particular guy, but Dave Smith is usually quite generous with his modulation matrix- lots of glorious potential for making complex sounds.
Here's where this synth falls short, and where it excels, just based on the specs, imo:
- Lack of individual outputs for each voice- ideally you would have the choice between a 4 voice analog synth, or 4 separate monophonic synths in one, each w/ a different midi channel in your DAW. Two oscillators per voice would have made this an attractive proposition. Not a deal breaker, but something that other synths have offered.
- Analog VCAs- can be good or bad, depending on the execution. The execution of the VCAs in the alesis andromeda was seen as a shortcoming in an otherwise incredibly synth. The recent Korg Minilogue 'clicking' debacle is another example. Just see what owners are saying about it first.
The filters should be great in the X4, at least.
If you are a big fan of Massive for making super agro demon sounds, I would also recommend you check out the Waldorf Q. Quite different than the X4, Its a digital wavetable synth. Very capable & very knobby with a full keyboard. The combo of FM, wavetables, ringmod makes it a very interesting piece of kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuHaguhynOM
I managed to get one for 1100 USD after camping ebay, which was a good price. Multiple outs per layer (can divide up the 16 voices into 4 separate layers with their own output or midi channel, or build a complex 4 layered multi patch where each layer has its own modulation).
Another even more oddball digital synth I would recommend is the Korg Z1. Truly a strange beast, physical modeling oscillators as well as the standard waves + FM makes for some truly alien shit. Its not very knobby, and requires lots of menu diving, unfortunately. But a damn fine synth that is underrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcNhJI92cF4
How do I achieve clarity in my mixes?
>>65864626
Try to focus on your high-end EQ. Don't compress as much. Pull back reverbs, and try to use them more as sends rather than inserts.
>>65858885
it looks so bad
>>65863133
Bring that sub up, or use an enhancer on it. Has zero content on anything except a subwoofer. Also, see if you can find some different drum samples/focus on your drum mix a bit more. Other than that not bad, still has a bit of work left to do though. Not sure what options you're afforded by the VST you're using for that choir but see if you can maybe give it a tad slower attack in the introduction.
>>65860088
p-pls rate
>mfw the export sounds different than how it sounded in FL, for some reason
>>65860088
>>65864926
Apart from use of a ping-pong delay, what were you trying to do here? Not sure what you want us to rate. Either way, try to find a way to boost your output level when you print it as that waveform looks quiet as fuck. Also, what format did you export in? Could have something to do with the sound difference.
New and looking for any kind of feedback, here's a shitty loop I made. What should I learn or add to this track from here?
https://clyp.it/alfbrtbc
Thoughts on this? Going for a rap beat vibe. Still need to do some work on the snare, maybe play with the FX and panning.
https://clyp.it/zp0zq02i
r8 me
>>65864983
would you listen a track that has this in it, i guess. my bad on the waveform and etc
>>65865027
Getting a 404 on that one bud, try reuploading
>>65865027
>>65865066
whoops here is the full link, again any feedback is appreciated I'd love to contribute more to this thread but don't have much experience
https://clyp.it/alfbrtbc?token=2e8e88f5c263237d87ed75fd56be9ea5
>>65865062
Not on its own, but this isn't really my kind of music. Sounds a little bit too busy stereo-wise for vocals to go over though, and its too bare-bones on its own.
>>65864484
I already have a blofeld and some other oddball digital stuff. I'm mostly just looking for a good gigging synth at this point, as I play in a couple of gigging bands.
I recently played the DSI OB-6, so I'm struggling with the urge to finance one. Also not too concerned with voice outs, as I'll grab a tetra down the line to turn it to an 8 voice and add multitimbrality.
>>65864484
not that anon, but that is a great price for the q!
about 10 years ago i passed up charlie clouser's q filled with his patches, it was only going for $900 at the time... i've been kicking myself since
>>65865115
Pretty chill, can't really hear any issues with it. Got any ideas where you're taking it from here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ypn0F0uq0Q
>>65865243
Since its your shit, how about you post clyp
>>65865188
no idea where to go could use any advice, specifically on moving away from that basic 'MIDI' sound into a complete sounding track. Anything I should look into in terms of mixing/mastering?
>>65865287
what is clyp?
>>65865364
https://clyp.it/
https://clyp.it/awo0bace
hows my mix/master sounding?
also is the brushed snare/white noise sound that accompanies the singing too harsh?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0SYoNFV0aUl
I really need to work on my writing to make my songs longer. This was just an EARLY demo for a song I want to further write but I think each section needs to be four times as long. I also need to work on both EQ and where I place the mic in front of the amp for each guitar track. What are your guises thoughts on this?
>>65865387
ooooooooooooo
https://clyp.it/5y1ydenc
>>65865452
>https://clyp.it/awo0bace
>>65864852
I was using DSK ChoirZ because it was free, i threw a soundgoodizer on the sub and brought it up, it sounds better, changed the hihat sample to one from a higher quality kit.
what should i be doing for the drum mix?
>>65865329
No, you're basically looking for more content. Its ok to make a beat and leave it until you can find a good vocalist/rapper. You don't need mastering until you're completely happy with the track, since the point of mastering is further improving a finished mix.
If you're really stuck try filling out the vocals with some fast highhats, its not exactly unique but it could give you some more ideas.
>>65865387
mix is great, that lowend sounds so clear and smooth
snare seemed fine too
>>65865513
->>65865387
this was meant for this. . . but listen to my shit anyway >:(
>>65865522
>https://clyp.it/awo0bace
Panning it, its currently all extremely centered. Keep your kick mono then throw highhat slightly out to one side and snare out to the same distance on the other. Play around with autopanning the highhat in a very small radius around the spot you choose, then maybe set up a sidechain so the kick ducks it. Some EXTREMELY gentle drum bus compression could help too, maybe with a touch of saturation (but make sure that its also very subtle).
>>65865595
ignore that clyp, trying to help too many people at once and its 8am and I haven't slept
>>65865387
Fucking great, loving it. Only input I could really offer at this stage is maybe a slight boost to the lows on that bass, get it really punching through.
Would anyone be able to have a listen and let me know what they think of this? I'm happy with it so far, but my studio is weird with acoustics so not sure if it's mixed decently.
https://clyp.it/xarwj342
>>65865673
Possibly bring that stereo back-and-forth chirp down 1 or 2 dB but apart from that pretty gr8
>>65865673
wow
>>65865742
Those bird sounds? Ok sure, thanks for that!
>>65863133
Took
>>65865595
and
>>65864852 's
advice and fixed the nasty chorus and fucked with the drums a little and it already sounds better also made the outro more substantial by just letting the chorus drop into the rain sounds
what do now?
https://clyp.it/jx5aliow
>>65866004
>>65865595 and >>65864852 here
Pan your elements, sounds like you've just got stuff sitting where it came in (either mono center or stereo). As I've said >>65865595
here basically, keep your kick centered and then play from there. Ideally keep your bass in the same spot as your kick, and play with matching their frequencies so they sit together.
>>65864401
The wider /prod/ community would probably be best for recommendations to do with audio production since they will have the most experience with them, although you can also get some good reading material from Brandon Drury's recordingreview.com forum - a lot of the stuff I read to begin with has been long superseded by books that are more relevant now, while I picked up the stuff I know over a long period instead, as it developed so to speak - I wouldn't say one method is better than another though and if you're really keen you'll just as easily pick up a huge amount of knowledge by cramming loads of reading as you would do by working in the industry for (what feels now like) a fucking age.
The only thing that takes more time is ear training, and the mapping of that training to theory and knowledge to create your own world view of how all this stuff fits together.
>>65862768
>>65860882
It's worth noting that both flanging and phasing are related to the original chorus effect, which meant to replicate the same effect as double tracking vocals by singing them twice on two tracks and then mixing.
Listen to all the early 60's Beatles and british invasion stuff. They do it everywhere.
Chorus was invented as a means of saving time and tape.
>>65866218
Yeah they all deal with introducing delay, a lot of the groundwork was done at Olympic Studios (they sold off a shedload of their channel strips as lunchbox devices a few years ago - much cash changed hands) and no doubt at Abbey Road during the same time frame.
Need gear recommendation guys.
I'm a guitarist with a big powerful desktop PC and cubase, but I'm looking to get into something more portable groovebox-ey so I can sketch out ideas and arrangements in a more casual (ie: not sitting at a computer) environment.
Been considering maschine + surface pro 3/4 with ableton or maybe bitwig. Also looking at push and other pad controllers. Interested in sample slicing and loose-jams with loop-based music.
Am I on the right track? Is maschine the way to go? Also seriously considering just buying an old Akai MPC, but I need to replace my broken laptop and tablet, so I figured I'd kill three birds with one piece of kit.
>>65860434
>for recording vocals over a beat I generally prefer something that looks like Audacity
Adobe Audition
>>65866355
Ive never head of a situation where maschine was used for anything other than casually sketching out tracks/live sets
>>65866218
You want to fuck around with stuff like this, get yourself a pair of 4-track tascams recorders. Record the same thing on both, and use the pitch wheel to adjust playback on one of them.
Also, you're getting 8 full tracks if you get two. With some creative jury-rigging and a little solder you can even synchronize them (or you can just press the play button at exactly the right time.)
Those things are fun as balls and dirt cheap now.
Just be cognizant that they sometimes need maintenance (the motor can die. The tape heads can get fucked, etc)
>>65866355
Do you mean like a groovebox-ey midi controller to use with you computer or an all-in-one hardware deal?
>>65866429
>>65866355
Since getting Maschine last year I've not really touched my old DAWs.
Although it's sold as a beatmaker it's more than capable of creating whole tracks.
The Maschine Studio is really good if you don't want to look at a computer screen while working on tracks too
>>65866481
Either a controller that works well with the daw I'd be using or some kind of hybrid thing like maschine that lives in its own little software environment.
Ideally, it'd be the same DAW that I'd also use on my desktop so I can transfer rough ideas to the desktop for more in-depth editing later.
>>65866534
Friend of mine used both maschine and ableton and preferred ableton for music production.
To each their own I guess.
>>65866584
>Ideally, it'd be the same DAW that I'd also use on my desktop so I can transfer rough ideas to the desktop for more in-depth editing later.
Maschine runs standalone as well as a vsti inside any DAW so you could easily do that.
>>65866589
>Friend of mine used both maschine and ableton and preferred ableton for music production.
it seems a lot of people don't like something about the Maschine software or workflow...I personally think it's great
>>65865041
R8 PLS
>>65866355
I also thought of buying a laptop along with a Maschine but decided in the end to just get the studio as although it's tethered to the desktop computer it doesn't really feel like it, the USB is quite long so I normally just sit in my studio on the comfy sofa armchair and use it. You could just use your desktop and get a Maschine studio plus Komplete ultimate for the price of a laptop and Maschine. I might well get a laptop again at some point in the future though
I've been thinking about getting a tascam 4 track and doing the varispeed effect the old fashioned way. I don't know how to change the tape speed by small amounts but I suppose I'll have to find out.
>>65867023
You'd need two machines playing the same sound to do any flanging or chorus effects - if you vari-speed a single deck all you'll get is pitch drifting.
>>65867091
>OCEAN MAN TAKE ME BY THE HAND
>LEAD ME TO THE LAND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
>>65867091
All I want is to change the pitch. I'm hoping to emulate the beatles process of shifting the rhythm down and then vocals up.
>>65867802
You can't do that on the tascam because the pitch controll is universal.
You can't speed up only one track, it speeds them all up.
Now I know you're thinking you can just rerecord one of the tracks at the pitch-shifted speed, and bounce it back to an empty track... but you can't do that because the track you're recording to would also be moving faster, meaning there would be effectively no pitch shift.
You need a second tape deck to make this work.
Is there anything like the FL sample-sequencer-pattern-thing for reaper?
made another track fuckin around with a guitar sample. most the sounds are just the guitar sample at the end except the pad and the guitar synth
https://clyp.it/ount5ljg
I just started to practice mastering tracks, anyone have some tips? I know it's kind of a "trust your ears" thing but anyways, some guidance could help.
>>65868174
Your transition is out of time at 0:24, seems really jarring. I would fix that, otherwise the sample is alright.
>>65865041
the kicks are to distorted. ruins the track. you should really replace the drums all together. find some acoustic samples instead it'd sound a lot better. my opinion tho, i don't think super bassy ,high pitched hi-hats, and 808y snares sound good with samples like these. it's just to mix matchy
>>65868319
yeah my ableton is kinda skrew bally so movin shit around becomes such a hassle so i said fuck it for the moment.
https://clyp.it/srb1mx4g
i am a god of drum fills
https://dave-roland.bandcamp.com/album/commercially-yours
I made this recently by experimenting with feedback, cassette warping and extreme delay. Am I any good or a talentless hack?
>>65868629
>shilling your bandcamp
>>65868552
Nice bit of bigbeat/breakbeat.
>>65868654
I figured it was easier than just putting the whole thing up all over again on clypt.
>>65868629
>I made this recently by experimenting with feedback, cassette warping and extreme delay. Am I any good or a talentless hack?
I already know the answer is yes before even listening.
>>65868715
I ask because I have no knowledge of music theory beyond chords, scales and tempo nor have I ever had a lesson playing an instrument.
>>65868753
OK, honest opinion, at the moment you're not that great. Keep at it and in ten years or so you might get good enough.
>>65868777
Is there anything I could do to try and improve my skills?
>>65868552
Damn this is so cool, sounds like it could be in a ps1 game.
>>65868805
Not that guy, but what works for me is really listening to what your making and to be very patient when it comes to making your sound. I would try recreate someone elses music that you're inspired by until you feel comfortable creating what you want.
https://clyp.it/xpqcsqlz
Does this sound okay?
>>65868805
Practice.
https://clyp.it/bulxnvz3
working on a wanna be "old school" hip hop beat. a bit different from what i usually make but im feeling it. thoughts? how is the mix? its hard for me to tell, im on headphones. (its quiet so turn up the volume)
>>65867861
ur a tascam salesman aren't u
>>65868329
I'll have a look at my sample collection but honestly I tried it with some stuff out of NI Drumlab and the Abbey road collections and it didn't sound right. I'll keep in mind what you said about the kick distorting but I didn't get any of that on my end, just the 808 which is how the sample sounds (which I like).
>>65868984
>(its quiet so turn up the volume)
How about you normalise it.
how should I be using compression to make my synth line not so unstable?
i can hear it basically fluttering and the fader is wobbling up and down
not sure how to fix it
what is the line between experimentation and complete garbage?
Ayyyy lol
How do you organize your projects and their finished products?
>>65869792
The listener's opinion.
You can't say "intent" because knowing what you're doing doesn't guarantee quality, nor does true originality guarantee it.
>>65869858
But does it sound good
>>65870162
>music
>good
>>65870179
>Was it worth the amount of disposable income you spent on it
Ok I fixed it
>>65870201
Not him, but what do people even spend extra cash on? I wouldn't spend any money if I didn't buy hardware desu.
>>65870162
Haha no
>>65870323
I buy a lot of software personally, I already own a nice MIDI keyboard so thats paid for itself about a thousand times over and with enough time you can get the same (if not better) sound out of VSTs.
who /diysynth/ here? Just finished my assembling my first kit (pic related) and now I'm curious if anyone else here has built any.
>>65869858
always nice to see another hardwarefag
>minibrute
how's the build quality on that thing? I heard Arturia's quality control is really spotty.
Are 'smart' midi keyboards like the nektar panorama or akai advance worth it? Or should I just get dumb midi keys and map everything manually?
>>65870360
>you can get the same (if not better) sound out of VSTs
Pfahahahahaha.
You'd be a lot cooler prodfag if you didn't spout that stupid meme
who needs hardware synths when you have software?
>>65870514
I guess unfortunately for the general (according to you) I'm not trying to be cool, just trying to make interesting noises. Hardware is ridiculously expensive if you want it to sound good these days anyways, may as well save some money.
>>65870556
This guy gets it
>>65870556
>this meme will never die
when buying hardware what are the must haves? i wanna buy a synthesizer but i dont know if i need a mixer or some other device
>>65870582
>trying to meme this hard
You can stop trying so hard fampai, you don't need to impress anyone
>>65870591
>i dont know if i need a mixer
neither do we unless we know what else you're trying to hook up. you don't need one to use a single synthesizer though. you might need an audio or midi (or both) interface if you want to use it with a daw, but there's nothing you really need to buy along with a synthesizer
>>65870591
you'll need a mixer if you want to combine the audio output of the synth with any other sound module. you'll need an audio interface if you want to record your synth in good quality.
if you still haven't decided on a synth to buy you should probably look for one with a lot of knobs instead of some shitty parameter matrix like the microkorg has.
>>65870556
Not everyone wants to play shows by hitting play on their DAW.
>>65870628
I made a statement based off my experiences and the money I've spent, you're the one trying to label an opinion you don't agree with as a meme.
>>65870666
The whole "muh software can do everything hardware can do and more" is actually a meme. Probably longer than you've been producing. If you can get over that, cool. If you can't, I'm just here to let you know that we've all heard your """opinion""" a million times already, and that it has achieved meme status in pro audio circles.
>>65870648
i was thinking about a Korg MS-20 mini or novation bass station 2.
>>65870637
yeah i was hoping to use it with ableton.
>>65870838
>Calling everything a meme
Yeah I bet you know all about "pro audio circles". There's a reason people use software. If the sound is that much worse, why do people not just buy hardware? Feel free to give me an explanation rather than
>Its just a meme muh pro audio
is this the part where we start bragging about our precious gear?
oh and btw, there is nothing inherently better about gear when compared to VSTs, and I'm saying this as someone with a 100% hardware set up
>>65870935
I never said people don't use software. Yet, for some reason, you seem to be implying that people don't buy hardware.
It's true that a bunch of no-name poorfag a from /mu/ don't buy hardware. Great success story.
Just pointing out, yet again, that playing the whole smug "software is always better than hardware" card is a meme, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
>>65870939
Nobody claimed that hardware was superior. I was just making fun of some kid for being a software elitist.
>>65870978
>>65870993
>Some kid
>Software elitist
I wasn't being an elitist, just expressing what I preferred. I never said people don't buy hardware either. I haven't been smug about it either, if anyone's being an elitist its you familia
>>65870993
oh ok. carry on then
Anyone feel free to post clyps and stop this beautiful nu wave of shitposting
>>65870993
I was memeing
So I'm completely new at this with the exception of some rudimentary music theory knowledge. Right now I'm just looking for something that will let me put some notes together and see how it plays out. None of that mastering stuff, just wanna learn how to compose first. Any idea what I can use to go about doing that?
>>65871295
you can do that in fl studio you dont need to do anything you dont want to
>>65871228
shit posting is better than no posting
https://clyp.it/hwosdvjb
Cloud rap beat dude here, took all the advice and panned out my elements, sidechained the kick to the bass so you can actually make it out, and extended it to 4:20 minuites
>>65871397
I'm currently writing a sadboys rap over it
>>65871397
Sounding good, bring that highhat down about 3dB. Could possibly also bring the snare/highhat in slightly closer stereo-wise but thats just me. Would only need to be about 10 percent.
man fuck quails
>>65871536
man fuck quails my mind is full of ails
sippin on whiskey my tears could fill pails
starting my sadboys rap with that.
>>65857631
>But i'm having some buyer's remorse from not giving the Yamaha HS5s a listen before buying these... concerned the JBLs have too much low end for my room.
I wouldn't worry about it too much, almost anything can have buyers remorse. Could be worse really. I'm in a temporary place at the moment and this is the best I could do with the space. Using headphones for everything...
>>65860259
Pretty much any DAW should be able to. I've mainly been using REAPER for the last few years and I really like it.
>>65867023
>>65867802
>All I want is to change the pitch. I'm hoping to emulate the beatles process of shifting the rhythm down and then vocals up.
I've got a four track somewhere and I basically never use the thing.
Couldn't you do this with automation on the individual tracks?
>>65868166
You can run FL Studio as an effect inside REAPER if you want. I haven't delved much into REAPERs sequencing side though.
>>65869858
How angry is the Minibrute by itself? I sold my workstations recently and I've been looking at getting some new hardware. Know I want an MS-20 but I know I'll want something with REALLY aggressive filters at some point.
>>65870453
How does it sound? My electronics knowledge is pretty rubbish. I wanted to move some pedals into rack cases at some point. Doubt I'll ever build a synth though.
>>65870582
I look at it more like a workflow thing. I it's much easier to dial in a sound with physical controls. It also lends itself to experimentation a bit more for me.
>>65870648
>look for one with a lot of knobs instead of some shitty parameter matrix like the microkorg has.
This. I sold off all my old workstation stuff because menu diving was driving me insane. I can see people learning much faster with physical controls.
>>65871615
What even is a sad boys rap? I'm just mad at this quail bullshit, their eggs are too damn small.
I dunno when menu diving is done correctly it can be p. fucking nice and intuitive ie Elektron menu "diving" is actually a breeze and pretty fucking logical. I can see why it doesn't click on some people though
https://clyp.it/ixhaaghv
Just a thought for right now.
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
>>65871633
>How does it sound?
Sounds kind of shitty but in a good way. The outputs are kind of noisy because it's running off an Arduino with a 12-bit DAC but that's actually part of what I like about it. It's a paraphonic wavetable synth which can do some weird/uncommon things (like using custom waveforms for the lfo shape)
>My electronics knowledge is pretty rubbish. Doubt I'll ever build a synth though.
Kits are pretty straight forward, you don't even necessarily need to know anything about the components themselves as long as you follow the instructions and know how to solder.
>>65871800
I have no issue with it in Axe-Edit, but I still find dialing in amplifiers faster with the actual amplifier. I'd love a MIDI interface for Axe-Edit that just has pots that control the amplifier controls.
I suppose the tonestack works pretty close to the actual amplifiers though so that helps me a lot.
>>65871845
Done any sound clips yet? I love getting weirder sounds out of equipment. Spend hours reamping metalcore bands and you'll want to do anything but in your own time.
>>65871845
>Kits are pretty straight forward, you don't even necessarily need to know anything about the components themselves as long as you follow the instructions and know how to solder.
My soldering iron disappeared in the move, so I'll probably need to buy another. I've been putting it off until I can try to move a cheap pedal into a rack case first. Assume I'll fuck the first one up and I don't want it to be something valuable.
>>65871801
There's a ton of reverb on that drum at 0:16 onward. I like the lead line though, could sound a bit better if you thicken it up though.
Lead at 1:03 is cool too, maybe just bring it's volume up a bit and make it a bit wetter.
>>65871794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgkt9jdjTU
unironic ironic whiteboy depression rap
>>65872073
S U I C I D E Y E A H
U
fuck that noise I'm not typing the entire thing
>>65872038
>Done any sound clips yet?
Still getting the hang of the interface so I haven't recorded much with it. Here's a test I made with a custom waveform LFO modulating the filter cutoff and the octave of the second oscillator: https://clyp.it/pbrryrrx
>>65872438
>Here's a test I made with a custom waveform LFO modulating the filter cutoff and the octave of the second oscillator
Speaking a bit of a foreign language to me sorry. I'm hoping to learn a ton more once I get an MS-20, haven't had much to do with synthesizers outside of KARMA, Triton, and Trinity. Sold everything, just got sick of it.
I really like that though. Bit of stereo delay and it would sound really nice.
I'm hoping to dial in tones with synths to compliment my weirder guitar sounds.
https://clyp.it/cfchp4da
https://clyp.it/0i4n3q3x
hello, what is a good daw for using mostly physical instruments and making and adding effects? audacity/ableton?
>>65872611
I use REAPER for that but any of the major DAWs can do it.
>>65872611
also can someone show me a laptop that will get the job done without being too expensive? thx
>>65856537
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain_stage
>>65865673
This is sweet
Band camp?
Someone wanna help a brotha out? I need something to fill out 0:13 to 0:27 but can't come up with anything. Anyone willing to give it a shot? Or just give me suggestions, either one.
>https://clyp.it/dfqakwum
BPM is 139 and the key is... well, I don't actually know. The little mallet thing's notes are F, F#, B, C in that order. And the bass/brass notes are E, F, and F#. I guess that would just be chromatic? I dunno.
Anyway, here's a DL link if anyone wants to fuck with it.
>https://www.mediafire.com/?6mtk15ecd4nxxhq
>>65870453
>>65871633
Sorry guys I fell asleep, minibrute is a shit tier overpriced meme, definitely go with a ms-20 the filters are dirty as fuck (in a good way) plus you can reroute the headphone output back in and the filters become absolutelydisgusting.jpg
>>65857914
I really love addictive drums, and they've got some great libraries - I have both the Fairfax libraries and I'm tossing up getting the Black Velvet kit, which would be pretty killer for post-rock
>>65857914
Superior Drummer, hands down.
>>65873792
just do some vocal pitch shifting, bitches love vocal pitch shifting
>>65874363
the minibrute is fine. would be god tier at $379. the price is a bit much if you don't have cashflow
>plus you can reroute the headphone output back in and the filters become absolutelydisgusting.jpg
that's exactly what the 'brute' knob does on the minibrute
>>65872826
Thanks - I only have this at the moment:
http://thisthing.bandcamp.com/album/sacrificed-greyhound
How do I track multiple synths into my DAW? Do I need an audio interface with alot of inputs?
>>65874690
Make a separate track? or are you trying to record them at the same time?
You dont necessarily need a larger interface, you could benefit from using a multi-channel mixer before the interface to give you more inputs. You wouldnt be able to track them separately though.
>>65874502
I kinda meant like a whole other layer. Not just changing something that's already there. Ya know?
>>65856814
>>65856614
Original TR-808 WAV samples w/dox:
http://smd-records.com/tr808/?page_id=14
I have a question for VST users on here, about two track leads in particular. What synths are used in these two songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs [Embed]
>lead saw/bass stack, @ 0:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Ve8ExE8YY [Embed]
>lead pad wobble @ 0:59
They both sound like they were engineered using Serum, but idk. Any guesses?
Also that brass in TRNDSTTR hits pretty hard.
I've been trying to write using brass in trap songs, but I can't get past using loop samples. Orchestral VST libraries are usually too bulky in HDD space. Any recommends for a minimalist VST and library to produce a sound such as that?
https://clyp.it/cy1wlcnf
levels are all fucked up because I stop caring every time I have to listen to it again. Don't know why I bother. Spend like 16 hours a day on this pathetic shit because it's literally all I have. there's more too, which is hilarious. I just cut it off because I'm a fucking autist that makes 10 fucking minute bullshit tracks. the drop before the string part fucked up in rendering somehow. I don't know how because I in fact know basically nothing about how to make this shit besides sit in front of it my entire waking day until my legs go numb and I realize I haven't eaten in two days. fuck it
>>65875130
Cheer up m8. Track is a lot of fun
>>65874574
Except brute factor sounds like shit imo, whereas the ms-20 headphone reroute sounds like your turning on a distortion pedal.
>>65875130
bro it can take me like weeks before a track starts sounding good to my ears.
And even then, prod might still shit all over it.
I've spent weeks on a single track. And thought the same thing you did. "Why am I doing this? I spent so much time trying to make this song sound good and people still call me pathetic".
It's just a mental state we go into. Just shake it off and don't let it or anybody else stunt you.
And above all. Don't let yourself stunt you. You are your biggest critic, and sometimes, you just need him to fuck off.
Your clyp.it sounds pretty cool. Yes it's a little long, and there's a lot of stuff going on. I think having a clearer idea of what this track is going to be before you start making it would help a lot. Transitions, arranging, and song structure will help out a lot too.
Keep at it.
https://clyp.it/124i01wx
Melody and harmony need work (not happy there) but quite happy with the production and overall sound of the mix and stuff right now.
Is komplete 10 worth buying? Is it truly all I need to make ambient/electronic? Are the samples any good?
>>65875130
I really like what you are doing mate. Looks like legs going numb and not eating for two days is working out for you but you don't realize. If you don't like this track, keep it aside. Start with something completely new. Come back to this track when you feel good. I always get stuck and fuck up things too much but I have already worked so much on it I don't want it to go to waste. During such times I start by remove one major element of the track that is bothering me the most, like a synth. No matter how much I loved it in the first place, if it bothers me, I take a deep breath and remove it. feelsgood already. I don't know why you are so annoyed by that track. Try taking out a few elements out of it. Always works better than adding more stuff to it. Drums are very good anon, right up in my alley. Link me your soundcloud or something if you have, I would love to listen more from you
https://clyp.it/gsqfsthb
I already know what you guys will say to this but that's okay
>>65875072
Well first off I wouldn't put a 4 to the floor kick in straight away, I think that's what makes it sound a bit clunky. I don't really know if I'd add another layer in there unless you wanted to layer your vocals, otherwise muck around with some modulation and processing on your lead vox track.
Your track kinda reminded me of Hurrican by Eprom at the beginning for some reason, so maybe take some cues from this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_VmM5cNdQ
made a little trap thing, i think it sounds pretty cool
https://clyp.it/hhdcrg4u
>>65877123
solid, although the frequency of your kick clashes with the rest of the track. change the freq a bit
https://clyp.it/y5yyqqf2
too repetitive?
>>65877598
I like your style but it needs more arpeggios
https://clyp.it/wlxfihzs
bully me
>>65877704
sending bully mail to your 4chan inbox, friend ;^)
>>65877711
harder
>>65877598
this is really cool. It was playing in the background, totally forgot i put a random clyp on and i was actually curious what was playing. Turned out it was ur clyp, it's really nice.
https://clyp.it/epfvj3al
wip
but nearing the end of the process
>>65856644
Formerly at the cermak studios east of halsted and do your nationally often. What's up?
>>65858468
Hah, my singer just moved out of uptown.
>>65868984
bumping this
>>65877154
Or filter out the clashing frequency
Is Ableton Push 1 worth buying? It's like half the price of the Push 2 and seems to have a pretty identical set of features.
https://clyp.it/xaicf3at
https://clyp.it/ronf4ozy
how do I stop making cheesy loops with preset instruments besides getting good
>>65880273
Start being a little more progressive with melody and time.
https://clyp.it/xmsdalrr
i'm pretty proud of this so far, but I'm not sure about the middle section. I'm thinking it's a bit too sparse and the drum solos don't hit hard enough.
What do you think /prod/?
https://clyp.it/rpgtwenm
big ol' r plus seven rip off but w/e I had fun doing it
>>65880300
how? the only "instrument" I enjoy playing with is my voice, harmonizing and stuff but I can't look ahead
also it feels like I can't get anything going without drums but I can't program for shit
>>65879753
>that much pixelation on a N64 game
This is why I hate emulators.
Also, nice track Flatlander.
>>65880371
There is something called Vocal Melody.
Your voice is pretty much playing a melody when you sing.
So, yeah.
And as for drum programming. Just play around with it. Put the snares on the 2 and 4 Or on the 1.2 and the 1.4. and make the kick kinda groove around it. Also, play with the tempo, It's a huge part of getting the right feel and speed.
>>65880379
>Not using hqfilters on your emulators.
>>65880451
yea I get that, it's the only way I can get anywhere. chords are usually just me harmonizing the best notes with my voice in three steps
would beatboxing teach me how to program drums better? if I imitated real beats and stuff
Just a short loop I made in FL Studio. I'm a total noob, but I thought this sounded at least somewhat passable so I'm gonna clyp it. How do I make the trumpet less obnoxious and more in tune?
Feel free to tell me what I'm doing wrong.
https://clyp.it/rwfohdkb
>>65864626
reductive EQ
cut out the frequencies that are redundnat or not needed on instruments
in mixing, EQ and panning will take you a very long way
>>65868984
add a limited on the end to pump up the volume a bit
>>65880273
also is the voice okay? I don't fancy myself a singer but I want to incorporate my voice and not having it being distracting. is the mic quality too bad?
does anyone else feel like they are cheating when they use samples in your song?
I know its really common, and even the producers i look up to do it. But I can rare convince myself to do it, even tho my tunes would probably benefit from it...
>>65882020
sampling is my main songwriting technique atm, and I just remember that it's a lot of fun to do. That's reason enough to keep me going.
It's completely exhilarating to find a bunch of samples and make them fit together. it's deceptively hard to do it right, too. I've started out writing everything from 'scratch' and in my personal experience making a good track out of samples is generally just as challenging as starting from scratch.
Most artists would take it as a compliment if you sampled their music.
It's really cool because it keeps older music in circulation.
The only limit is your imagination.
But idk, to me it's really obvious that a lot of music sounds a lot like each other.
like, a lot of current EDM just sounds the same.
It may not use samples, but people are applying almost exactly the same techniques for creation of melodies, rhythms and sounds.
It's lazier than finding a good loop and making a solid beat underneath if you ask me. That shit takes skill.
>>65882020
i know that feel. producers i look up two can make a track with only one sample, looped with drums and i love it. i can make a track with samples from 4 different sources, chopped up so that you can barely recognize any of them + my own synths and melodies and i still feel bad over "stealing" music...
>>65882582
>look up two
i fucked up
>>65882020
dont just drag and drop samples in but make it your own, by using it uniquely or adding fxs
>>65882020
you'll never top "robot rock"in laziness so no sweat.
Hey could someone tell me their opinion on this?
I havent really gotten anything on it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZdrAt6qzq8
Looking for some advice. Mainly on mixing and my arp sound
https://clyp.it/b1f4czgj
https://soundcloud.com/citizennumberone
>>65882679
is this bait?
first of all it's a brilliant find, second of all the production is great.
daft punk never pretended to make al their own sounds of something.
>>65882688
Do you like spark master tape? This kinda sounds like some Sukken City Bass Drop Stuff.
>>65882020
Im too much of a synthhead to use samples. When i listen to music, it's not only the production gets me hype, it's the sound design.
When Drake's "if you're reading this it's too late" dropped, I was addicted to the instrumentation. Thought the sound design choices and mixing was top notch. Then i found out literally everything was samples, like zero real instrumentation at all. I was completely distraught. It did turn me on to the artists that were sampled, but my idolization of Drake's producer was incredibly short lived.
I get that sourcing samples and collaging them together is a skill, but in my opinion that skill is just one small aspect of what it should take to be a legit producer. It would make me feel bad to fool others the same way I feel i have been fooled on sampling.
>>65882820
Never heard of him, Ill have to check him out,
thank you so much for the listen though
i gotta go to work guys hope you all have a good day
>>65882901
you can only really know once you try it out yourself. you'll probably notice it's pretty similar to making music with synths or a guitar, as well as just as rewarding, really hard and musical.
but yeah that's just my opinion and experience with it. I see it as a full fledged musical movement that isn't any less than any other melody that sounds exactly the same. I don't understand why people think it's more of 'them' when it sounds exactly the same as 1000's of other musical motifs and themes.
>>65882710
yes it was a unique "find" but not a difficult one considering most of their samples came from their parents disco collection.
As far as the production, i'm not sure what is great about it? They made an A part and B part. I'd imagine the entire production was under 8 tracks.
https://clyp.it/r25c45y3
watcha think
suggestions?
anyone know (or know of good tutorials) how to make button style momentary effects in ableton? Similar to what can be done in tracktor
Like you hit a button and it turns on an effect for as long as the button is held down, then turns off the effect when the button is released.
https://clyp.it/a5j1tkus
why do we always gotta come up with ideas when we should be going to bed?
>>65883974
wtf why did it stop?
>>65884117
because I haven't made the rest yet I suppose.
>>65882020
For drums, no. Can do enough with those to make it sound unique and it's incredibly difficult, borderline autistic to program certain types of beats by hand, and even then won't sound as good as samples (breaks for instance). For everything else, yeah. Sometimes I'll use some sample for swells and drops and stuff so I don't have to waste time, but I don't really give a shit about that being stolen, because it's not really a musical part of the song anyway. I guess that's where I draw the distinction. For FX I use a lot of processed samples, but I keep the musical bits strictly my own.
Where the argument gets interesting about "stolen stuff" is when you start doing thing like chopping up midis of another artist or something, and no one in 10, 000 years would be OCD enough to notice.
