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What is the most underrated Blue Note album?
What is the most overrated?
>>65829751
neat cover, will listen
neither overrated or underrated but my favorite blue note albums are: ready for freddie and the magnificent thad jones.
>>65829815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYFtP-YEK2Q
Herbie is amazing on it.
What do y'all think of Charanga?
caught a local band live and was floored by their grooves.
>>65829894
>Herbie is amazing on it.
joe chambers is really something else on those wayne shorter albums. great drummer.
>>65829751
https://youtu.be/B7roSPLTQ0Q
Currently jamming to this
>>65829932
Chambers is up there with art Blakely and buddy rich if you ask me
>>65829751
Most underrated has got to be Donald Byrd blackbyrd, dunno about overrated though
>>65829972
joe chambers is a much better drummer than art blakey. chambers is up there with roy haynes and art taylor.
>>65830009
Shit I totally get up art taylor and blakely mixed up. Really like the messengers compositions but you right
dexter gordon's savoy recordings are fucking brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHcmTwoa51A
Bumping with some Bobby Hutcherson.
>>65830042
>Shit I totally get up art taylor and blakely mixed up.
I was about to get mad about this, lol. Taylor was still a great drummer. I prefer him to Philly Joe Jones.
>>65830049
Early Dexter Gordon is god-tier music.
>>65829751
>What is the most underrated Blue Note album?
Something by Kenny Drew or Thad Jones?
>What is the most overrated?
Possibly Lee Morgan's The Sidewinder or something with Freddie Hubbard as leader.
>>65829982
>Most underrated has got to be Donald Byrd blackbyrd
This was a huge seller for Blue Note and got into the Billboard charts, lol.
The procrastinator by lee morgan, cats, what a fucking record. If you haven't heard it, it's easily the most underrated blue note release.
>>65831907
I agree. It ranks with Jackie McLean's Jacknife and Hipnosis and pic related among the shelved Blue Note titles.
Obviously initially unreleased sessions are going to be the most underrated, though.
reposting my list of underrated
Kenny Drew- Undercurrent
Johnny Griffin- The Congregation
Freddie Hubbard- Breaking Point
Pete LaRoca- Basra
Sam Rivers- Contours
Bobby Hutcherson- Components
Joe Henderson- Mode for Joe
Tyrone Washington- Natural Essence
Wayne Shorter- Schizophrenia
Andrew Hill- Passing Ships
Mark Shim- Mind Over Matter
>>65832109
Best unreleased Blue Note session here
>>65832399
Agree, this one's actually stronger than Etcetera. Shame James Spaulding never led a date or worked much outside of Sun Ra/Freddie Hubbard groups.
Pic rel. is another great unreleased date. Pre-electric Donald Byrd with Sonny Red, Chick Corea and a very young Miroslav Vitouš.
>>65832529
Haven't heard that one actually. It's weird how many really really good ones went unreleased.
Pic related and Matador were two of Grant Green's absolute best sessions on Blue Note and both of them were unreleased until '79.
>>65832664
I guess it had a lot to do with profit margins and marketability. Pretty staggering Matador and Solid didn't see an immediate release, but you can see how they didn't fit what Green was being marketed as.
Remembering, Gooden's Corner, Nigeria, Oleo and Born To Blue are all also fantastic sessions that make BN look crazy to have shelved them.
Hey /jazz/, huge jazz pleb here. I really like pic related. Recs for similar stuff to check out? Other than some more Mingus stuff I've pretty much only heard Davis, Coltrane, Ellington, Monk and the like.
>>65832253
Hey jtg give me some post-bop recs.
Can someone post the Blue Note flowchart?
>>65834039
plenty of post bop recs on that list already: basra, breaking point, mode for joe, schizophrenia, passing ships, contours, components
>>65834149
charts a shit, just listen to classics and follow sidemen etc. build your own taste/knowledge.
>>65832977
Listen to more by the people you listed. They're some of the biggest figures in jazz and have made a lot of music worth hearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLwmxoA9gA&ab_channel=simbelmyne0216
If you're looking for more like Black Saint if you look for modernish stuff with big-mid sized ensembles, you'll probably find a few things that interest you.
>>65834245
>plenty of post bop recs on that list already
I've already heard all of those. I wanted some more.
>>65832977
Listen to stuff that uses collective improvisation, like 1920/30s New Orleans bands.
>>65834766
Chick Corea- Now He Sings, Now He Sobs
Woody Shaw- Stepping Stones
Rene McLean- Watch Out
Clifford Jordan- Glass Bead Games
Kenny Wheeler- Double, Double You
Dave Ballou- Amongst Ourselves
Conrad Herwig- Unseen Universe
Alex Sipiagin- Destinations Unknown
>>65835338
Thanks!
>>65835338
Do you have a link for Watch Out?
>>65835561
Rene McLean Sextet- Watch Out
http://www79.zippyshare.com/v/KPAAoL6z/file.html
>>65835802
Thank you so much!
Anyone a fan of Rabih abu Khalil?
>>65836458
I tried to listen to his 2011 Trouble in Jerusalem. I understand that single-line melody and percussion is the middle Eastern way, and I do sometimes enjoy it. But to bring in a Western-style symphony orchestra and make them play in unison, without a shred of harmony, is just criminal. In the hands of a skilled arranger, that could have been a great album. Is Hungry People different?
>>65837430
This album is performed by a quartet, much much better. Sounds more like 40s/50s combo jazz, and way more Arabesque. There still is plenty of unison playing, but its good, trust me.
There's something about Grant in that he is 'minor league' , which why I like him more.
In one of the conversations above about so and so being a better drummer than who-ever , it can miss the point
>>65832977
check out the other classical selections from my chart, especially Don Ellis
>>65837570
I'll check it out. Do you know of Toufic Farroukh and Dhafer Youssef?
>>65838147
I've heard Farroukh's stuff before, cant' remember if I like him.
>>65838236
Farroukh's early stuff has quite a bit of electronic fusion going on, which I know isn't everyone's cup of tea. But I do recommend pic related. It's much more traditional, and it has some nice brass arrangements. The bass parts are all played on a tuba.
Dhafer Youssef is a Tunisian singer and oud player. He does lots of dreamy improvisational stuff, which I don't mind, though I prefer his more formally structured pieces. His vocal range is quite impressive.
>>65838569
I'll give it a listen
Bobby Hutcherson's Now is super underrated. Sounds almost like early Magma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWlAs_k2sCk
This album is pretty underrated
>>65842205
His other album and his work with Mingus is pretty great. Underrated player.
Guys i'm getting back into Bill Evans for the third time now. This guy has so much depth. I have to force myself away everytime, or else that's all i would listen to.
>>65831772
>>most overrated
>sidewinder
i'll agree that the album has average blowing for hard bop but the title track pretty much created the 'souljazz' genre, which is IMO why it's so popular
>>65842508
>pretty much created the 'souljazz' genre, which is IMO why it's so popular
That's ridiculous, Gene Ammons, Lou Donaldson and Jimmy Smith were playing what would be soul jazz in the mid-fifties.
The Sidewinder was a big crossover success which made Blue Note push similar sounding tracks, which prevented Lee Morgan from really pushing boundaries until the early seventies imo. It's not a bad record, but its success and popularity bogged it down.
>>65842631
Not the guy you're responding to, nor do I know my shit, but I remember seeing this on wiki a week ago
'The title track, "The Sidewinder", was one of the defining recordings of the soul jazz genre, becoming a jazz standard. An edited version was released as a single.'
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sidewinder]
Maybe the success of the album helped bring soul jazz to the forefront. but what do i know
>>65842707
I guess that can only be referring to its popularity, soul jazz was a well established subgenre by 1964.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9LXJUMGfBg
>not posting the superior white persons jazz
