Reviews mentioning Larkin Grimm:
http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/06/album-review-swans-the-glowing-man/
http://www.avclub.com/review/glowing-man-michael-gira-caps-swans-golden-age-exp-238074
http://thequietus.com/articles/20439-swans-the-glowing-man-album-review
http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/swans-glowing-man
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/06/swans-the-glowing-man-review.html
http://drownedinsound.com/releases/19480/reviews/4150146
Some even go as far as to take it as fact. It is irrelevant to the album. Sure, "When Will I Return" may remind one of the accusation but that is not enough to draw comparisons. It's insensitive of these so-called journalists to mention it.
it's over gira is done for
swans is dead
You're 18 or younger.
>>65804661
What do you expect? These magazines all march in lockstep with one another. They're all a product of the same universities and wimmens studies programs.
We need another gamer gate, this time focused on music journalism.
Also, when the fuck is Bitchfork going to weigh in with their review? Are they gonna do another Sun Kil Moon?
>>65804824
>We need another gamer gate, this time focused on music journalism
do you not realize that is the worst thing that could possibly happen
>>65804824
No we don't, gamergate accomplished nothing. what we need are more people who don't give a shit about reviews. y'all need to get on my level.
>>65804661
Call me a TMT shill or whatever you want, but that review just broached the topic within the "judging the music on its own merit" sort of discussion. The review was focused on the music and generally favorable aside from their not-enough-melodies critique, which was the basis for not giving it a higher score like an 8 or something.
>>65804824
No, we don't need another shitty movement that accomplishes very little in the long run.
>>65804742
The fans will still appreciate Gira's work. These biased reviews only weed out the bandwagon hoppers which is a good thing actually.
>>65804923
And which online mags are worth reading. Any zine that would give a voice to the liar Larkin Grimm is not worth your time.
>>65804878
Yeah we just need Pitchfork to publish Mark Kozelek's sex tape. Then he can sue them out of business.
>>65804942
The Quietus is literally the only online mag worth anyone's time.
>>65804923
This. The Glowing Man is a solid 9/10
>>65804942
I don't read/watch music reviews. I find it utterly pointless.
>>65804958
If you'd read the review from it in the OP, you'd take that back right now.
>>65804955
While the idea of seeing Mark Kozelek naked is horrifying, this would be great and hilarious.
>>65804999
I read it when it came out, she makes the valid point about the difficulty trying to divorce the album from its context.
The only frustration is that she treats the accusations as if they actually had any credibility in the first place, whereas obviously anyone who had actually researched the whole thing would realise that they were clearly the ramblings of a lunatic.
Every site has it's shitty journalists, but honestly, the quality of TQ runs circles around every other online publication.
>>65805059
The fact she mentions it at all is problematic.
By the way is the archive down for you guys? Been away a couple of weeks and just came back and this thread reminded me that the album dropped so i thought i'd give it a listen but the archive doesn't work.
>>65805085
Can't one mention pertinent topics without scoring based off of them?
>>65805123
Up for me... https://rbt.asia/mu/
>>65805127
Maybe. If the author isn't fucking mentally retarded.
>However unfair it may be, no issue can be excised and considered on its own without the five “If you like this story, you might also like…” links to related stories.
Yeah no, I think I'll ignore everything this cunt has to say about anything
who the fuck is Larkin Grimm
>>65805161
I'm not even defending her, but I don't see your problem with that sentence. Are you taking it out of context or something? She's not obviously not saying that literally.
>>65805189
slandered gira to further her career. she was never charged though.
>>65805143
Doesn't open for me.
I'll try something.
>>65805202
>She's not obviously not saying that literally.
Except she is.
>>65804824
Gamergate accomplished so little it was laughable. It was a great idea and originally had good intentions but they were too focused on being nice that they forgot to actually do anything.
>>65805206
So some nobody talks shit about a well-known and respected musician for notoriety
I bet she had an album coming out or just released when she talked shit too
>>65805237
it wasn't just talking shit, it was a verious serious and criminal accusation
>>65805234
Hopefully the next movement will learn from those mistakes and use absolute cruelty to further its goals.
Sadly, though, I'm not sure anything can be done. Unless you stop it at the source, which is usually university level.
>>65805237
>I bet she had an album coming out or just released when she talked shit too
She did. Plus, she accused someone else of rape who was closer to her at the time and got her shit shut the fuck down by literally everyone else, all of whom called her a consummate liar - but because the Gira accusation was like a last-second addition to her bullshit, nobody bothered to directly address it as opposed to addressing Grimm in general; publications failed to notice this extremely obvious reality, and gave her ludicrous claims a soapbox that it wouldn't have gained otherwise.
But seriously, though. The longer P4K takes to review it, the more likely it'll be a major pan. And I'm guessing right now that it won't even be the major review of the day. They'll probably bury it further down the page and give the main review to some faceless, interchangeable rapper.
>>65805228
Except she isn't, and your reading comprehension is clearly total horseshit. It's a comment on the state of media and art reception in Facebook-times.
>>65805344
Stop trying to defend humanoid cancer.
>>65804661
how the FUCK is stuff like this relevant to the review
>"""music""" journalism
>>65805364
As I said before, I'm not even defending her. I'm calling out your terrible reading ability.
And I think you need to go back to >>>/r9k/ with all this pent up frustration.
>>65804955
>>65805029
>tfw you will never see the young Mark Kozalek nude
who cares
>>65805237
>>65805326
Not only that, but the song was actually about rape too. She clearly planned this all out.
AV Club's review barely even mentions it, come on now.
>>65804806
No, I am not.
>>65805689
It still brings up something that has nothing to do with Swans or Swans' music.
![image-0217_50544C71[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hrBSM3X.jpg "image-0217_50544C71[1].jpg")
>>65804824
>We need another gamer gate, this time focused on music journalism.
>>65805326
Not only that, but she blamed three members of Heroes are Gang Leaders of raping her as soon as they all were going to kick her out of the band for spreading rumors and lies about all the members to one another. She was trying to use it as a tool to stay in the band. Her accusations against gira are exactly the same: he kicks her out of the label, she accuses him of raping her three or so years before; and she released a song about rape immediately after accusing him.
When people say he raped her and believe it, they're literally retarded. I couldn't believe how many fuck wads I saw on /mu/ the day TGM came out saying shit about how they hate Gira and how terrible of a person he is, because of an accusation.
>>65805712
Reviews mention things unrelated to the thing being reviewed all the time, why is this one any more heinous than when a pitchfork reviewer mentions some offhand comment someone made about his outfit that day
Guys, civilians are dying in Yemen. Shut the fuck up about some idiotic story.
>>65805500
>you and Young Mark will never get into wacky hijinks
>>65805753
>I couldn't believe how many fuck wads I saw on /mu/ the day TGM came out saying shit about how they hate Gira and how terrible of a person he is, because of an accusation.
Why would you want to share a fanbase with these "people"? Good riddance.
>>65805841
This is a really fucking stupid argument
>>65805833
an offhand comment someone makes about your outfit is different than publicly affirming a spurious rape accusation made by a mentally ill 'person'
I was originally inclined to believe her but now I'm pretty convinced she lied. Why would she not press charges if she was sure that he did it? Why would she bring up Siobhan only to have Siobhan call her a liar too?
>>65804661
I wish Gira was black, this would be a much more interesting story to read on 4chan.
>>65805894
At what point in the avclub review is the accusation affirmed, rather than getting half a sentence of attention to give context before moving on?
>>65805897
Because people who are compulsive liars and narcissists believe everyone will not only believe them with little backup and will rise to their support no matter what.
>>65805880
Sure, but you still look like a fucking idiot for getting worked about music journalism.
>>65805926
>nutjob in asylum mutters to themselves that gira raped them
>nobody so much as hears it
>nutjob outside asylum says that gira raped them
>four people hear it, zero believe it
>nutjob outside asylum posts text online claiming gira raped them, gets huge response and support from the musical community, repeated mention of claim in every subsequent publication about gira
>4,000,000 people hear it, 1/20 believe it
Honestly, I feel for anyone who has to write a review for this album. If you mention the rape case, you're gonna get shit on by the people like the one's that populate this board. If you don't mention the rape case, you're gonna get shit on people on the people from the opposite side. It's a lose-lose situation.
>>65806033
Yeah, I'm planning on reviewing it and I have no idea I'm gonna do. Same with the new Freddie Gibbs. I think I might try totally ignoring it and if someone calls me out then I'll respond by talking about divorcing things from context or something, I dunno.
>>65806033
>you're gonna get shit on people on the people from the opposite side
So? They don't care about music.
>>65806033
I'd not mention it. Let the feminists and SJW scum whine all they want.
>>65806147
>implying people on /mu/ care about music
another one of /mu/'s world famous memes!
>>65805234
>It was a great idea and originally had good intentions but they were too focused on being nice that they forgot to actually do anything.
Oh fuck off. GamerGate started with the allegations against Zoe Quinn - those allegations being that she cheated on her boyfriend. The original Gators were so "well intentioned" that they sent her death/rape threats on twitter, hacked a website with nude images of her and distributed them among her family and friends. Literally none of this has anything to do with "ethics in video game journalism."
GamerGate didn't fail because they were too "nice," they failed because they focused 100% of their effort against feminists. They didn't give a shit about shady practices at GameSpot or IGN, they cared about opinion pieces that women wrote on gaming blogs and feminist youtube videos. When they weren't spamming negative reviews for games for having trans characters, they were sending nasty tweets to women on the internet. No one took them seriously for the exact opposite reason of being nice.
That's why any sort of "music gate" type movement would fail. You kids would just go on about pointless shit (like this supposed "SJW" conspiracy to give Swans bad reviews) and all you'd do is harass Larkin Grimms or send rape threats to female music reviewers, then retards like you would harp about how "le SJW media is misrepresenting us!"
Please, never ever create le musicgate. I don't want any bands I enjoy to be ruined by the edgy autistic misogynists on the internet.
>>65806166
yeah you're a real brave man but that's not how it works when you have an actual job.
>>65806174
I can't believe people are this fucking stupid to believe any of this shit.
>>65806174
>>65805915
Just wait for MC Ride to sadly rape someone.
>>65806192
I saw it all with my own eyes, up to and including the original "Five Guys" threads and irc channel.
Fuck off Gator.
>>65806190
I have a goddamn job, but it doesn't involve placating special snowflakes. So yeah, I guess I am lucky and "brave" in that way.
>>65804661
But they're turned into something similar to TMZ-daily Mail music critic, just look to their twitter profile, Zoe Camp asked me if Bog Sean was smashing Ariana Grande in 2015.
Gossipfork, we outhere.
How many reviews mention Kanye West's antics before reviewing his albums? How many MBDTF reviews mentioned the VMAs or made reference to his bizarre behaviour? It's almost as if music reviewers provide context. Buh nah, it's le cultural marxists!
>>65806226
no you have a job that isn't based on being in the public eye and needing people to actually click on and read what you write
>>65806255
He must be self employed and not deal with people. Any business absolutely has to "placate special snowflakes." He legally can't discriminate based on gender, race, disability, etc.
Assuming he's not just pretending to have a job.
everyone in this thread is taking shots at pitchfork for some reason when they haven't even published a review yet
>>65806313
It's the same thing that happened with le GamerGate. Kids know they have to "hate" Kotaku/Polygon so they'll immediately talk shit about them even if it's not relevant.
I really, really hope this shit doesn't lead to any sort of "movement." It's difficult to tell with /mu/, the other day a thread like this was largely laughed at. Today a bunch of /v/irgins and /pol/tards are dominating this thread.
>>65806174
I really don't get why so many gamers feel threatened by anita et al, besides, whatever influence they have over the industry is a result of the publicity gained from dudes sperging out about them
>>65806373
the thread wasnt laughed at, one anon just kept building strawmen out of people who suspected larkin was lying and demolishing them so the rest of the anons were choking on the bait
>>65806190
If your job is to review music then pacifying people who can't ignore artists is not part of your job description. You review music, that's it
>>65806390
That's the funny thing. The people who hate Anita made a career for her. You think they'd learn and back off, but nah, they're doubling down.
Gamers also seem to miss the idea that if video games are ever going to be a serious medium, that serious criticism is going to be a part of that. Anita is more pop feminism, but feminist critique is gonna happen just like with music, television, film, literature and the arts. You can't demand that your hobby be taken seriously and then stomp your feet when people take it seriously but hold a different opinion than you. It's self defeating.
>>65806415
We're not talking about the same thread evidently.
>>65806280
Not bringing up an unrelated issue is not discriminating against anyone you fucking assbandit
>>65806174
Yeah except "mainstream" gators tried to distance themselves from that, and guess what, people still treated them like they hadn't.
>>65806433
If your job is to review music on an entertainment website and you seriously care about returning money to your investors, then you absolutely are going to pacify your viewers. These are for profit businesses and everyone of these entertainment sites have operated like this forever. It's amazing how the only time retards like you complain about this kind of shit is when there could possibly, conceivably, be a "progressive" message in there, even when in reality it has little to do with the actual review.
>>65806544
If your for profit site provides reviews they should be fucking reviews, keep a separate part of the site for fucking news and gossip and shit
>>65806474
Here's the thing with Anita + SJW complaints about video games in general: They don't affect games in any meaningful ways. Are their opinions shit for wanting to include trans characters/gay options/more female leads? Kinda, yeah, because it doesn't matter. The most important thing about a game is the fun factor. If a game makes sense with those options, the developer will include them. There is no point in including them just for the sake of progressiveness.
>b-but i want to relate to the character i'm playing as!
These people are most likely autistic. Relating to a game character is completely pointless.
>b-but it's MY character. what if i'm M-to-F and want to play as that in fallout??
These people should play as a female, since they tend to make such a big fuss about identifying as such IRL.
In the end, like i said, it doesn't matter. Would Overwatch be any less of an addicting game if Symmetra, Lucio and Pharah were white? Nope. Would Legend of Zelda games still be boring as fuck if Link was a girl? Yes.
>>65806528
>"mainstream" gators
What does this even mean? You guys intentionally made your movement anonymous with absolutely zero order. So those "harassing" Gators are just as "mainstream" as whomever you think are ~true~ Gators. In fact, they're arguably did much more than the "moderate" GamerGate ever did, which just seems like they complaining about "cultural marxism" on leddit. Also funny how "mainstream" Gators like Cernovich are absolutely involved in the nasty shit Gators are known for.
Like seriously, what exactly have "mainstream" Gators done for "ethics in video game journalism?" Literally everything you do is related to feminism.
>>65806642
You act like I gave a shit about Gamergate, I'm saying that the people who kept apologizing weren't going far enough.
>>65806174
this
Fucking sheltered white boys getting pissed when a mean lady says their vidya are sexist
Gamergaters make me want to throw up
>>65806621
The most important thing about a video game is profits, mate. Video game publishers care about profits. Catering exclusively to 16 year old prepubescent boys is not good for business. This is really what's happening here. Publishers will make their games more inclusive because there's a serious untapped market and the sooner people realize this, the easier the transition will be. You're going to see more women and "minority" characters but since there's a market for anime bouncing breast simulators, those'll be around too.
>>65806680
>You act like I gave a shit about Gamergate
Clearly you did and you still do. Why else are you trying to spread their propaganda here?
>I'm saying that the people who kept apologizing weren't going far enough.
How old are you? Were you seriously hoping people would get violent over "video game feminism?"
can you guys take your GameGate horseshit back to /v/ please? this is pathetic.
>>65805189
She accused a black guy of raping her, then people called her a racist for targeting a black man so she said Gira raped her. lmao
>>65806733
You don't seem to realize that aesthetic is, at most, 40% of what a game appears as to the public eye. People don't buy Call of Duty every year because it's masculine, army-dude shit, people buy it because it can be incredibly addicting, especially to people who don't play too many games.
>>65804661
Larkin Grimm used this time to gain popularity of Gira and its stupid and lame. Fuck her
>>65806789
Oh and so i start getting back on topic, here's my thoughts on Gira and this Grimm bitch that i've never heard of: It doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that Cloud of Unknowing is pretty much capable of stopping time and The Glowing Man should be getting some serious praise for being an awesome album. If Thom Yorke was a neo-nazi who raped babies, it wouldn't change the fact that Radiohead is still the greatest band of all time. If you put out quality music, you're forgiven for anything and everything.
>>65806474
I don't think those people care at all about gaming becoming a respected art-form, if anything they seem to want the opposite
>>65806931
Basically. /v/ has this dank meme going where they pretend that cinematic-qualities in gaming are cancer. It's the funniest thing to come from that board since the early days of the PS3/360/Wii gen.
>>65806895
>Radiohead
>Greatest band of all time
>>65806789
>You don't seem to realize that aesthetic is, at most, 40% of what a game appears as to the public eye
What are you basing this on, exactly? Marketers put a lot of time in effort into appealing to specific demographics. Yes, games generally have to be good and enjoyable to have any long lasting success, but you're pretty much just hand waving all of marketing.
There are plenty of women and men even who don't buy Call of Duty because being an American marine isn't a power fantasy they wish to fulfill. There are plenty of people who avoid videogames in general because they see it as a hobby for hostile white children, the same ones that would yell at women if they dare used their microphone in an online match.
It's weird here, because you almost made a good point in your last post (games will be good regardless of character) and yet you seem oddly very resistant to the idea of more inclusiveness in video games. So what exactly do we have here if not "forced progressiveness," forced regressiveness?
If you literally don't care about which characters you play as, you should welcome games growing and being taken more seriously.
>>65806931
I don't know. They often hold completely contradictory views so really these things could change on a whim when it suits their argument.
>>65806990
>It's weird here, because you almost made a good point in your last post (games will be good regardless of character) and yet you seem oddly very resistant to the idea of more inclusiveness in video games.
I'm not resistant, i just don't care. It's not an important enough issue to care about. I'll take it either way, as long as a game is good.
Breaking news: People can, in fact, be neutral when it comes to shit like "social justice". I don't care about LGBT rights and shit like that, because it doesn't affect me.
>>65807032
I know that people can be neutral. But you also said "there is no point in including them for the sake of progressiveness," you called people who want to have more inclusive characters "SJWs" and you said it was "stupid" to want games to be more inclusive. You're sitting here pretending that you don't give a shit but clearly on some level you do. You haven't attacked the Gator types for getting upset anytime a female character is modified. What you really want is for those "SJWs" to shut up to keep the status quo (oddly enough, Gators have the same goal!). You sound like a concern troll here, man.
>>65804824
Music journalism is a pathetic joke but Gamer Gate was a disaster that did more harm than good. Instead of reforming video game journalism it gave video game journalists a boogeyman that they can point to whenever someone criticizes them.
>>65807181
>You haven't attacked the Gator types for getting upset anytime a female character is modified.
Because they're not being as vocal ITT. It's clear that they're just as fucking retarded as the SJWs, i already said that gamergate was a waste of time. >>65804878
>>65805897
Same desu. As a fan of the work of both, I had a very negative reaction to Swans at first. Then I read up on her background and similar shit she's pulled before and kinda dismissed it. Back to enjoying Swans stuff, and I'm able to enjoy hers as well.
>>65804824
please never let there be a fucking music gate please no that would make me want to kill myself
>>65807242
I don't know why, but enlightened fence sitters annoy me more than any SJW or anti-SJW every could. It's like they watched a few episodes of South Park and jerk off to how apathetic they are to everything. Retards like you actually have nothing of value to say.
>>65805897
>Why would she not press charges
I suppose all of the Cosby accusers were lying as well, correct?
>>65804824
Even people that supported Gamer Gate realize it was a horrible mistake. Jim81Jim (AKA InternetAristocrat AKA MisterMetokur) was one of the most prominent supporters of it and he quickly abandoned it once he saw it was a shitstorm that wouldn't change anything for the better.
>>65805753
lmao you should've seen RYM, I once saw this guy who wrote tags on all his records by swans he had rated with "FUCK YOU GIRA"
pretty despicable how people will just immediately burn somebody at the fucking stake with literally no knowledge of what actually happened and no possible way of ever knowing.
>>65807362
>pretty despicable how people will just immediately burn somebody at the fucking stake with literally no knowledge of what actually happened and no possible way of ever knowing.
Agreed, but you could easily apply this to 90% of the discussion about Grimm
>>65806990
Not OP, but I personally wouldn't mind both greater diversity in characters and a break away from the tired action-movie/fantasy mould. It's the 'critics' who are more interested in stamping out all 'problematic' content who are of concern. Not that it matters, both GG and it's dedicated opponents have long ago boiled down to their most rancid, irrelevant components.
>>65804661
Yeah it's irritating, but music sites are as much about destroying careers as making them, so I'm just relieved they haven't attacked Michael in earnest...so far, anyway.
>>65807294
>Retards like you actually have nothing of value to say.
Regarding anything related to an "important issue"? Yeah, absolutely. I've got nothing. I care about the actual important things in life, like the game release schedule this fall.
Like damn seriously, FFXV in September, Titanfall 2 and Last Guardian in October, Pokemon in November... and this has already been an incredible first half of the year for music, can't wait to see what comes out in the fall for that. I haven't checked out too much of the upcoming release schedule for music, admittedly.
>>65807399
>It's the 'critics' who are more interested in stamping out all 'problematic' content who are of concern.
Who is doing this, in what way are they doing this and please provide examples of success "critics" have had stamping out "problematic" content?
>>65807294
>le south park fence meme
suck a fucking dick, not everybody wants to subscribe to your bullshit internet-culture wars.
>>65807391
oh yeah I agree totally, I think people who are like FUCK LARKIN EVIL SCUUUM are dumb as well.
>>65807425
>>65807425
>Who is doing this
Clickbait sites like The Mary Sue et al. whose contributors seem to believe their own hyperbole.
> in what way are they doing this
Trying to attach any -ism or -phobia to any game regardless of how well it fits, and vaguely suggesting that Something Should Be Done About This.
>and please provide examples of success "critics" have had stamping out "problematic" content?
Aside from some possible changes in localization, about as much as anyone else who's tried has accomplished - not much. I guess concern was the wrong word.
>>65807732
Could you provide some specific, concrete examples? Why can't I ever get you people to actually articulate what the fuck you're talking about? All I ever get is names of people/websites people don't like and extremely vague descriptions of what the poster thinks some monolithic group of people are trying to do.
>/mu/ is now so invested in reviews that they are seriously having arguments about fucking gamergate
this is absolutely the worst board on this website
>>65807962
Nah, /v/ is worse especially since 90% of this thread is from /v/,
Pls no #MusicGate tho
>>65807294
>fence sitters
>South Park
nigga what?
South Park is always forcing some stupid agenda, the whole last season was them shitting on political correctness, that is not fence sitting.
>>65808411
Yeah, but South Park likes to pretend it "attacks both sides" and is generally apathetic to people who fight for change (the political correctness part is a good example actually). I agree though, it is forcing a stupid agenda that tends to be center-right libertarian. But they get away with stuff like blatant global warming denialism while still appearing "impartial."
Which is sort of the point here, that guy was "neutral" who seemed to complain a whole lot about "SJWs"
>>65806621
>These people are most likely autistic. Relating to a game character is completely pointless.
go fuck yourself, there is nothing wrong with wanting to self-insert when you play a video game. it's pretty much the only entertainment medium where you can do that in an actual immersive way.
example: I've been playing the original Mass Effect lately and I made Commander Sheperd (the MC) look as much like me as possible, and I have tried to make the dialogue choices that I feel like I would make if I was actually in the given situations (not every time though, sometimes it's fun to pick the most evil choice and cause chaos, but you get the point).
this is a fundamental part of RPG games and all of the best ones let you do this. this whole meme that self-inserters are psychos or something needs to die.
>>65806474
Why should anybody care what a feminist has to say about any of those mediums? They're worthless as far as their beliefs and human value go.
>>65808581
Well, here's the thing. Clearly you've never actually been to a university or seen any actual feminist critique of music or other media, you're basing your entire image of feminism likely on a tumblr post you saw on /pol/ of questionable origin. A lot of people do care about critical theory, even people who don't necessary agree with the conclusions they draw. One thing we can say though, and I know this'll be hard for you to accept, serious academic feminism has done a lot more then you have or ever will.
But really, here's the kicker. You don't have to care and you shouldn't care about Anita Sarkeesian. Here's what a normal person does in this situation: don't visit her channel anymore. Don't watch her videos. Don't send her nasty messages over twitter. This is again what your type can't understand. Instead of ignoring her and letting her videos fall into relative obscurity, you can't even contain yourself enough to take a potshot at her in your post. She'll continue to be popular and you have yourself to thank, but it seems like you like to be outraged, so I guess it works out for you.
>>65808579
This pretty much. It's in the fucking title: roleplaying!
>>65807362
The final straw that made me delete my RYM was the mods openly talking about how they hoped Gira did rape her because a false accusation would be bad for feminism
>>65807545
I'd say falsely accusing someone of rape as revenge for getting dropped is pretty evil
>>65809451
>The final straw that made me delete my RYM was the mods openly talking about how they hoped Gira did rape her because a false accusation would be bad for feminism
ITT: things that never happened
>I'd say falsely accusing someone of rape as revenge for getting dropped is pretty evil
You missed the part where he said "with literally no knowledge of what actually happened and no possible way of ever knowing."
>>65809451
oh holy fuck I forgot about that, yeah some of the most ridiculously stupid shit was being said in there.
>>65809500
Dude I was actually there, that legitimately DID happen, I read it also and you can probably see it yourself if you look at the thread, although it is quite long.
>>65809539
>>65809506
>>65809500
>>65809451
>ITT: things that never happened
Nope, it's right here actually.
http://rateyourmusic.com/board_message?message_id=6239524&board_id=1&show=20&start=440
>But if he's innocent certain awful factions of people have a concrete instance of a woman fabricating a claim of sexual assault to further invalidate all claims of sexual assault made against famous men.
>Like, we lose as a culture if he's not a rapist. I hate that that's a legitimate thing to be worried about here.
just scroll down the page a little bit.
>>65809635
also other gems
>False rape claims are such a neckbeard thing to worry about. They almost never happen.
>I really hope this is true.
>Accusing someone of rape is a serious thing, with huge ramifications. Gira career is finished and his personal life has probably taken a big hit. I'd rather these things not happen to an innocent man. If folks are out here lying about something as serious as rape then as men we're doomed.
>I've shook this man's hand and looked him straight in the eye, and now you're telling me he's a rapist? Fuck :(
>This almost makes me want to stop listening to music. All of these assholes are too much.
>In response to people saying that immediately believing Michael Gira is a rapist is a stupid thing to do: If I wanted to go to /mu/ or Swans' FB page I would :/
basically the most infuriating thing ever posted on RYM
>>65809635
One community mod made one comment that wasn't even what you originally said. He's saying that certain people would use this as proof that women lie about rape. I think it's worded poorly, but let's not act like the entire staff jumped in to talk about how much they wish Larkin got raped for "feminism!"
>>65809770
>Accusing someone of rape is a serious thing, with huge ramifications. Gira career is finished and his personal life has probably taken a big hit. I'd rather these things not happen to an innocent man. If folks are out here lying about something as serious as rape then as men we're doomed.
Did you intentionally put this one in there?
>>65809816
Uh I think the original claim being made was that mods hoped Gira was guilty because it would be bad for feminism otherwise. Turned out to be a single mod but I'm assuming since those comments were made months ago he had just forgotten it among all the other stuff in the thread. You said that never happened, it literally did happen and what I originally said wasn't misrepresenting that mod's point either; he is saying outright and directly that he hopes Michael Gira is guilty because it would be bad for our culture, which is fucking outrageous IMO.
As for the second line, it was a second comment after another person had hoped it to be true, and whether or not the reasoning behind it it fucking disgusts me when people HOPE a woman was RAPED because it would support their own shitty political agenda.
>>65804824
>We need another gg
Dear fking God, no. Never. Do you have a clue of the idiocrisy that that was? Do you have rational thinking?
>>65809924
>it literally did happen and what I originally said wasn't misrepresenting that mod's point either
You're twisting his words, man. He's clearly not saying he hopes Larkin got raped. Once again, the point is that if it ended up being proven false, people would use it as ammunition to prove rape doesn't happen. He even admits that it's really sad that that's a reality. Again, maybe poorly worded, but that's enough to make you delete your account? 'Cause one mod wrote something a bit silly?
It's like the Rolling Stone article. People get annoyed because it's irresponsible and results in MRAs having an example to rally around.
Why did you put that third quote in there?
>>65810057
if it ended up proving that sometimes false rape accusations are real I don't see that as a negative thing at all because then it's proof not to immediately label somebody a rapist until they die based on one person's word posted on fucking facebook.
>>65810189
yeah of course you dont lmao
like that guy said:
>False rape claims are such a neckbeard thing to worry about. They almost never happen.
>>65810394
I knew somebody it happened to, and I know it happened to Conor Oberst and Isaac Brock. Thinking that a lynch-mob being formed based on one person's word with no evidence whatsoever is a bad thing makes sense to me, is all, clearly.
>>65810394
Also, according to statistics from 1997 in the U.S., false rape accusations were defined at 8%, so approaching one-in-ten accusations were "unfounded or false," which is actually pretty high. A British statistic from 2005 posited it as 8%, too. If something happens around 8 out of 100 times that isn't "almost never happens." I'm not even discounting anybody's experience, I'm just saying that these things should be investigated by the police and professionals rather than shitshows on social media.
>>65810453
Of course you do, your type always has a friend who was allegedly accused of rape and of course they didn't do it.
>>65810532
>unfounded or false
>unfounded
unfounded != false accusation
>>65810589
Not a friend. My type? I'm a pretty far lefty who believes in social justice and equality for women and minorities, don't really know what you're getting at other than because I don't think guilt should be immediately presumed because it doesn't happen all the time guize isn't a valid argument.
Your second point is also true, which is why I similarly believe that because when a rape charge isn't proven it doesn't mean the accuser should be punished unless it is also proven that they were lying. Then again, neither me or you have access to any of the details and likely never will so arguing over which ones were or weren't unfounded would be pointless.
>>65804824
my friend tried to start music gate a while ago and got perma banned
>>65804843
i know someone that works for pitchfork and he said they aren't reviewing it because of the rape accusation
Just gonna say this now, but yeah. If you look into everything, it's pretty obvious exactly what's happening... And how little the story and allegation's fit with Gira's character outside of the way he looks...
Ignoring that, barring that, being that disconnected from reality... Imagining that Gira really is the persona he's built up over the years of being this horrible guy who has probably murdered people and is basically Randall Flag and that's why you totally believe he stuck his dick inside larkin grimm...
Even then, if you believe all that how the fuck are you surprised enough about this that you are going to stop listening to SWANS?
Like, really? Are you just into music as an image thing and don't want your friends to think you support a rapist? Did you never really enjoy the music that much to begin with?
What is wrong with you? If you believed he was a horrible person why did you listen to him in the first place? Morbid curiosity? And then why did you continue to support him, to the point that you would publicly announce that you can't listen to him anymore?
You probably listen to Burzum when Vargs straight up killed a guy which is actually worse. (Vargs spent prison time and has also become a changed man, but that's beside the point. He's still really racist but I'm getting off track)
Jesus christ I'm so sick of this fucking issue when all it was was fucking Facebook drama. Nobody was arrested over this, nobody lost their whole career over this, Grimm even delete the original post which you think someone with integrity about this wouldn't do. (Granted, there was harassment, which both Grimm and Gira said to stop, and that they both still respect each other heavily despite what's going on)
I keep sperging out about this because I want to stop hearing about this pointless drama. Can people just fucking stop?
>>65810845
Did they also stop reviewing Bright Eyes in the past?
>>65811072
Writing novels about this probably isn't the best way to make people STFU about it, anon. This'll be the last Swans record for a while so the ongoing conversation around it will eventually die.
>>65804824
>We need another gamer gate, this time focused on music journalism.
jesus christ NO gamergate was the worst thing to even happen to gaming and music journalism is already bad do you want to make it worse
>>65811119
I'm just going to fight it every time I hear about this bullshit until it stops. I'm sick of this shit. I'll try not to make as big of a deal.
>>65811126
Gamergate made anyone who cared about videogames look bad.
>>65808719
Actually, I have. My hatred of feminism is mostly based on people like Laura Mulvey and Kate Millett and BELL HOOKS (fuck you, Bell), and other trash like them.
