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Let's have a thread about music with feminist themes, it could be interesting. We have threads about nazi bands and stuff, so I don't see why we can't have one about feminist bands. Do the politically charged lyrics affect your relationship with the music at all? (either positively or negatively) If negatively where's the line? Is talking about first han experience with sexism okay, but mentioning patriarchy a bit too far? Share some music and discuss!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KjM2zEj1w
tell me this is bait, please.
feminism is shit
get ou of here, girl, you are in the wrong place
>>65799139
War on Women is such a shit band.
Their music is bland, generic, and insulting stupid.
ugh....
>>65799139
I actually feel bad for you if you genuinely like this music. Saying it's bad is like calling a literal retard "stupid"
>>65799139
you have to be a hard dumbass or a loveless women to believe in those shit lyrics
Great discussion guys. You know you can post other artists, right? I thought War on Women would be good to start off with because the themes are pretty obvious
>>65799612
Where do you think you are right now.
>>65799312
Just thought it might be a refreshing change from all the radiohead/death grips/whatever indie is popular atm threads we have 24/7. You don't have to agree with feminism as an ideology to discuss music with feminist themes.
>>65799612
>hur dur patrarchy is opressing me, so i will start a shit band with feminist garbage lyrics for girls with psicologic problems and bad criticism
>girrll poower
the problem is in your face
>>65799746
The song I posted just talks about the experience of being raped. It doesn't mention patriarchy once.
Wow you fuckers are really shitty, the previous anti-sjw thread got derailed, now you guys also want to derail this thread.
I'll start with the obvious.
>>65799646
>feminist art
>they dont want to be defined by the fact that they happen to be female
>dumb broads focus on their gender
>You don't have to agree with feminism as an ideology to discuss music with feminist themes
I'm able to completely write off the vast majority of art that has feminist themes -- it's actually pretty easy.
>>65799612
girl, you are not being opressed by the patriarchy system, you are as free as men are, stop believing in all this garbage, just try to see the reality, if women are more opressed, why men suicide more? stop blaming the society because of YOUR mistakes/problems, and you can be a better person. And jesus, go listen to real music
>>65799789
Is this really all that feminist outside of (arguably) American Tune? I know it has a reputation here as being a "big bad SJW album" but I thought is was mostly angsty folk punk?
>>65799784
>""""""""""raped""""""""""
>>65799861
brazilian and european feminist are worse than american feminist
>>65799915
>not knowing how to pluralize
>complete non-sequitor
>>65799871
Do you disbelieve victims of robbery and other crimes as well? Or is it just women who are raped that you think are liars?
>>65799851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YlVYQ0Jbk
Reactionaries btfo
>>65800015
I post music and discuss when we have white supremacist black metal or nazi punk threads. I even listened to a white power band after the last political punk thread. I don't understand why these guys can't do the same. And like Nazism and white supremacy actually have body counts. Unlike feminism. Prettty sure the right to vote didn't kill any men.
>>65800015
jesus, this is bad
>>65800015
>every 45 seconds, a woman is raped
>our sexist culture allows no escape
>this violent crime is far from obscurity
>when the rate of victims is one in three
HahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's so fucking literal hahahahahahahahaha it's so fucking unbelievably cringeworthy
>>65800044
every place i go there is a retarded girl telling this garbage generic feminist ideas, /mu/ and other boards are the place were i can scape from all this insuportable shit, so you come here to destroy this? fuck off
you are not changing the society, you are not fighting against the "patriarchy", you are just anoying people with your boring sense of criticism
>>65800169
Whoa buddy, mu is not your safe space. Free speech and whatnot.
>>65799971
rape is a meme tho :l
>>65800166
Yeah, political punk music tends to be like that. It can be a bit much, regardless of the politics, imo
>not knowing what memes are
oh boy
>>65799971
>Do you disbelieve victims of robbery and other crimes as well?
Rape/sexual assault is the most lied about crime.
>>65800392
This is just untrue. I think the rate of false reporting is like 3-5% or something like that? It's no higher than any other crime.
>>65799139
look up riot grrl op. there were some decent 90's bands. that link you posted is absolute trash though
>>65800461
I'm familiar with riot grrl. I was mostly hoping this could be a thread where we post links to songs. Men are waaaaay too sensitive. I thought they'd be rational enough to have this conversation, but most of the responses here are hysterical lol
Crass - Penis Envy
>>65800492
Shut the fuck up. Nobody cares if you're a girl.
>>65800568
>proving my point.
Calm down. Why are you taking things so personally?
>>65800492
>Men are waaaaay too sensitive
You're the one posting music about some bitch whining cuz she got the wrong dick in her butt.
>>65800667
How many indie rock records are posted on a regular basis that are just angsty men whining about nothing? About a million? lol
>>65800683
Why are you so hurt, sweetheart? :^)
Supports my theory that punk has lost all residuals of musicianship or artistry. Without any critics backing it, punk's back to being made by working class people in their off hours.
>>65800715
>literally just copying what I said
>>65800822
>literally having 0 reading comprehension
>>65799312
Fuck off back to/pol/
>>65800866
And they wonder why they can't get girlfriends
>>65799139
dumb agenda beside, the music is boring and generic
I hate women
>>65800914
shut up you dumb cunt I'm married and I think feminism is a load of horshit.
This is great! I am a huge fan of War On Women. Despite what most people think, they actually don't hate men. I was lucky to see them the last time they toured through my city and I got to talk with all of them (minus the drummer) for a while. They are all incredibly nice people. The bass player and I were nerding out over how much we love Latterman. I think it's absolutely hilarious that some people put so much effort into talking shit about bands that they hate. War on Women are definitely a talented bunch
>>65800954
Stop talking, you're getting hysterical. Why don't you come back when you can be more rational?
Fuck this
>>65800965
I'm pretty sure most feminists don't hate men, but after this mess of a thread I think I might be starting too lol
There's nothing inherently bad about the music.
The real problem is they err towards bad music in general, while the neo-nazis and the like tend to choose better musical forms. It's like how christian bands aren't inherently awful they just have a tendency to choose awful trite music to make
>>65800979
Roll
https://feministwarriors.bandcamp.com/album/songs-for-having-feminist-defined-sex-to
tfw feminism is my fetish
Also hyperkek at the drummer being shown for as little time as possible, poor "ally"
>>65801017
>acid-pop-pop
lol
>>65801033
This genre is gonna be great
>>65801024
>Feminist defined sex
>every song has rape in the title
That sounds about right.
>>65801024
>making rape jokes
Hmmm I wonder why women don't trust men
>>65800996
Seriously, the shit talking is so needles. Two out of the five members are actually men.
For fucks sake, their guitarist, Brooks, told me that they him and their drummer get criticized a lot for being in a band that has a feminist ideology because their critics say that they have been castrated. It's a bit ridiculous
>>65801054
those same women believe men cant be raped
Why the fuck is this a thing again? its not 1994 and Portland. fuck this noise I'm gonna go listen to sleater kinney.
>>65801068
In a movement that treats "allies" as detritus, it kinda is like being castrated.
The male members are shown at a minimum in the video posted, and the majority of fems I know would treat them no better than any other man. That's not to say guys should be fem allies to get better treatment as that leads to insincere support for personal gain. But to actively engage with a group of people that consider you to be, at heart, the problem with the world is pretty fucking bent
>>65800996
But they actually really do hate men. Source being that I've been to college and been around them plus I've been to rallies about equality and shit. It's honestly just noise at this point, I don't know or care about what any of them have to say.
>>65801024
i have to admit the hook on Let's Get Raped is pretty catchy.
>>65801075
I see waaaaay more support for male rape victims coming from feminists than from men
MALE SU PRE MA CY
>>65801147
good album
>>65801146
I don't believe that for a second. I've seen normal regular women be supportive about it but never a feminist.
Alanis Morissette - Amanda Marshall -Avril Lavigne - Celine Dion - Diana Krall - Chantal Kreviazuk - Nelly Furtado - Jann Arden - Holly Cole --
>>65801167
>tfw feminists are normal regular women
>>65801077
For real though, Sleater-Kinney is fantastic
>>65800667
fragile male ego triggurd
>>65801190
>politically obsessed and ready to go ape shit at you over their political and social beliefs for saying anything even slight that triggers them
They're normal in the same way that street preachers or screaming homeless people are.
This album is straight fire. Best track is Teenagers
https://archive.org/details/devilscoachwhip
ALL THE GIRLS IN HERE POST YOUR FUCKING FEET NOW
>>65801190
kek no
>>65800996
why bother wasting yr time hating on a bunch of crybabies lol no point
>>65801146
This tbqh. Men usually tell them to 'man up' or imply that he enjoyed it.
>>65801234
only after u anon
>>65801217
Cool, thanks for sharing the link
>>65801234
pic of yr left nut or gtfo
>>65801217
Teenagers is probably the best song about how fucked up societal expectations for young women are.
>>65801300
Yeah, it was a little too familiar at points
>>65801311
Not a woman, but the part about going to a party and seeing your rapist there and people acting like it's not a big deal is some shit that blew my fucking mind. How someone can hear that song and not empathize with/support the feminist movement is beyond me
>>65801377
Yeah, that was the part that hit me kind of hard. High school was like constant sexual harrassment for me, and none of the other men saw it as a big deal.
>>65801377
I think it's due to the fact that her music is so authentic and dropping with emotion that it doesn't feel like you're just getting bashed in the head with rhetoric, which is how War on Women sounds to me.
>>65801377
>tfw not even listening to the song and already feeling bad feels
>>65801410
I find a lot of political punk can be like that. It's usually something I really have to be in the mood for.
>>65801396
Sorry you had to deal with that all too common occurrence.
If you liked that album, check out this one it's the same person. Big fan of Trust and I Am the Enemy on this one
https://savagewasteland.bandcamp.com/album/voler
>>65801462
Thank you. I'll make sure to check this out as well :)
>>65801461
I'm a big political punk fan, but I'm more into the diy, lo-fi stuff because it sounds more authentic that way so you can excuse the rhetoric. Also, if you liked Devil's Coachwhip, she's the accordion player and a vocalist in Ramshackle Glory, which is one of my top political punk bands
>>65801481
Awesome, I'll check them out as well
I feel like feminist punk has kind of died down a lot with the rise of queercore and transcore
>tfw all feminist stuff is punk
why can't I have feminist raw black metal? or feminist sludge metal? this shit sucks.
>>65801533
They're sort of related genres. Post some queercore or transcore if you want! :)
>>65801548
I'm sure there's stuff like that out there, but it might be hard to find. Also I can't really see black metal being all that welcoming to women, unfortunately. I would love to hear some feminist black metal.
>>65801556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE
>>65801568
>tfw there are no queer or trans themes, just slowed down nostalgia
>>65801566
>Also I can't really see black metal being all that welcoming to women
Does it really matter? Can't they make it anyway?
Two of my favorite transcore artists
https://pigeonpit.bandcamp.com/album/ive-got-your-back-if-youve-got-mine
https://tellyrstory.bandcamp.com
>>65801580
Yeah, of course. But good luck getting your music noticed if the scene has a problem with sexism. I'm sure there are women who make black metal, but I can only think of one off the top of my head who got any press, and she played in a different genre first.
Tennessee is my favorite queer punk song ever
https://highdivetheband.bandcamp.com/album/high-dive
Not punk, but great queer drone/folk.
https://tellyrstory.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-my-name-now
>>65801481
Ramshackle Glory rules. They're from my hometown so I got to see them at a tiny diy venue a few years back. Pretty cool peeps.
>>65801616
Just posted the Noel'le Longhaul bandcamp, good choice. I'm so excited to see them at plan-it-x fest this summer, along with the final Ramshackle show. I got to see Mallory live last year it was fucking awesome. They even played The Tide even though I was the only one at the show who had heard of them before their newest album came out
>>65801604
Oh, I guess that's true. Shame. :\
I feel like I would appreciate queer stuff a lot more if I saw it as a legitimate thing to be angry about. Like, not that all of what they're saying is wrong, but feminism is pretty much the norm now, so it seems like a disingenuous thing to be angry about. I can't really get into it, i actually appreciate nazi shit more because at least they're the fringe, so their anger is more genuine. Anyone else get this?
I'm really happy this thread managed to turn around
>>65801644
I think the start of this thread should be an indication that feminism is far from mainstream lol
>>65801644
Feminism isn't really the norm. And try telling me queer people don't have shit to be angry about after being openly gay in the Midwest or West Virginia. I've had good friends beaten and put in the ICU for being gay
>>65801664
Look at what happened in Orlando last week
>>65801664
That and the fact that coming out is such a stigma for many families. Until being queer is as accepted as being straight, there will always be that fear of familial resentment when you come out. That sounds like some shit to be angry about
>>65801657
Cuz everyone browses 4chan lol
Any feminist punk songs about islamaphobia?
I bet there's a Muslim feminist band somewhere writing songs about it
>>65801657
>>65801722
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
>>65801657
>4chan is mainstream
????
>>65801664
it really is, at least in the US. Like, it's a 60-40 norm, but it's a norm none the less. Generally speaking people support things like gay rights and such.
Nothing is more pathetic than numales pretending to be feminists to get laid and gain liberal points.
>>65800979
rolll
10/10 feminist album coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTMjuwulXk
>>65801377
Jesus Christ
Is it feminist is I want a woman to beat me up?
>>65801604
The last time I checked the Metal Archives statistics purported around 7% of metal musicians are women. It's a pretty extreme disparity which garners those few both attention (this song sounds exactly the same as every other metal song but it's different because it's a woman playing!) and savage backlash (kill her, she's a female outsider!).
See Myrkur: https://www.vice.com/read/protecting-the-precious-flower-that-is-black-metal-827
>>65801894
Just because you support LGBT rights doesn't necessarily mean you're a feminist.
It's believing that there's a patriarchy in existence that makes you a feminist.
>>65801894
People say they support feminism but take no actions to ensure gender equality. It's something you say because you don't want to seem like an asshole. Women are still treated differently by society and there is still systemic sexism.
As for most people supporting gay rights, that really depends where in the country you live
>>65801980
nice strawman
>>65801952
What's your problem with that post?
>>65801966
Yeah, actually no it's sexist to fantasize about women in such selfish and perverted ways. Did you know 1 in 2 women in America get raped?
>>65801908
Why does a male have to be pretending to be a feminist? I'm a feminist and I definitely don't do it to get laid
>>65802000
98% of statistics are made up
>>65800970
>hysterical
Lol he didn't even use all caps go to bed faggot
>>65802009
Male feminists always see women as fragile and in need of protected and men as savage beasts who they need to distance themselves from. It's all marxist propaganda anyways, playing off men's natural urge to protect women
>>65801908
if pretending to be feminist was all it took to get laid then the chucklefucks of /r9k/ could play along and get laid for once.
>>65802035
Yeah, no. I'm a male feminist in that I'm in solidarity with the feminist movement, but I know that as a man I can't really do anything for the movement, nor can I speak for it. I just acknowledge that they are right and I am supportive of it. To do otherwise would be anti-feminist
>>65802039
It doesn't work obviously, most numales without a father figure think that being a pandering bitch is what attracts girls though. Lot's of beta r9kesque faggots are orbiters irl, that's why they're so angry
>>65802047
lolol
>>65799941
Or he's not a native English speaker
Attack grammar instead of the substance of his argument tho
>>65801989
>Women are still treated differently by society
Sooo they want to be treated the same as men? I don't get it. There's a reason men have higher suicide and homelessness rates and are assaulted more. Not saying women don't have their problems but I'd say the sexism is fair share between the two.
this thread has about as much substance as the lie that the wage gap exists
Well this thread went back to shit
>>65801995
I think you misread my post, I wasn't trying to refute anything. I'm rather in agreement with the post I replied to.
>>65802078
Like I said earlier, this goofy feminst rhetoric is marxist propoganda. Being treated differently doesn't mean being treated worse, women are inherently different than males. equality is cancer
>>65801644
Yeah I feel the same. If someone comes out as feminist it's like, whatever or "what is that".
The point of the punk movement is to be outcasts, and nazis have the worst reputation in the world; that's why the anger and force in their music translate well in my opinion.
>>65802091
Someone here has clearly never read Marx...
>>65801216
100% this
>>65800492
>fragile masculinity meme
>yet somehow women are still opressed by men
how pathetic does that make feminists?
>>65802091
... I don't think I was talking to you, but ok
summer sucks
>>65802094
>The point of the punk movement is to be outcasts
Lmao that's not at all true. Punk isn't about being an outcast for the sake of being an outcast. It's about an expression of dissent from all the fucked up shit that the state/capitalism/hierarchies of any form bring about
>>65802132
as a woman hating manchild i would have to agree
>>65802088
Most of the thread was lgtbq-core anyway.
>>65802141
What did you mean by this?
>>65801664
Feminism isn't a pro gay movement
It's a pro female movement, I don't think they care what happens to gays desu
>>65802179
they ally themselves with other gay groups, and there are a ton of lesbian feminists.
>>65801908
The word you're looking for is white knight
>>65801839
>muslim
>feminist
pick one and only one
jesus, a bunch of fags get gunned down by a muzzie in orlando and it's like no one's learned anything
>>65802139
Nazi Punks miss the whole point and need to fuck off.
>>65802196
Lesbian feminists, so women who love women trying to gain supremacy for women, seems about right
>>65802179
The conversation that occurred there was talking about how punk doesn't fit feminism or queers because they don't have anything to be angry about. There was some queercore discussion earlier, which is what started that chain of posts
>>65802141
Feminists hate women more than anyone
>>65802196
Didn't lesbian feminists a few years ago hate male homosexuals?
>>65802220
Truth
>>65802208
i think the world you are looking for is political lesbians
>>65802206
Nazi punks were the white working class punks, "nazi punks fuck off" was a slogen used by upper middleclass trust fund "punks". Not that punk matters to anyone
>>65802206
That's the exactly the attitude which brings about Nazi Punk. They are fighting against what they think are fucked up systems and beliefs.
>>65802249
word* shit
>>65802221
no? unless maybe youre talking about the antimale antitrans rad fems who all other feminist groups hate.
>>65802257
and they do so by promoting fucked up systems and beliefs.
neonazis are all pieces of shit
>>65802221
The NUS has recently been anti white gay male. Guess what religion their chair is.
>>65802139
Ah my bad, didn't word my post right.
>>65802266
They think exactly the same about you, mate.
>>65802288
and they are wrong.
which im sure they think about me as well. but my beliefs never plunged the world into world war II did they? or lead to genocide?
>>65802305
probably because your beliefs are ineffectual
but yeah, at least they haven't hurt anyone yet
>>65802305
Eh, dunno lad. My point is that their punk comes of strong because of the negativity surrounding nazism or neo-nazism.
>>65801644
>>65802094
link me some nazi punk music bros
>>65802324
>marxism hasn't hurt anyone
Good joke, the commies were worse than The Third Reich by far far far far
Most of it is shit because they focus too much on the message (hating men) than creating decent music.
The only remotely feminist band I like is L7 and I don't think they even associate themselves with riot grrrl
>>65802340
im not a stalinist or maoist so you can fuck off. all tankie commie scum should be eradicated too.
>>65802340
Yeah cause Stalin was a Marxist and feminism is Marxism. Why don't you read some fucking Marx before invoking his name?
>>65802337
NS bands (some aren't punk):
Skrewdriver, Mudoven, RaHoWa, Vaginal Jesus
>>65802340
Sure, Stalin's kill count was worse but you can't assume anyone against nazism is a communist. It's become accepted in society to be against nazism no matter what you're belief is.
>>65802354
Feminism is a Marxist tactic, confuse the genders, destroy the family, divide and conquer. Social Marxism is real and it's cancer
>>65802368
I don't assume that, I don't even believe that the nazi's were good.
>>65802368
stalins kill count isnt even worse than Hitler once you realize hitler is indirectly responsible for the deaths of WWII. It's not just the holocaust, its throwing the world into a war.
>>65802375
/pol/ try reading something besides stormfront forum posts for once you dumb sack of shit.
>>65802354
>>65802375
Know any marxist punk, lads?
>>65802337
Try Skullhead
>>65802375
Don't fucking use the worse Marxism to label shit if you haven't read Marx you inbred moron
>>65802404
I'm not a ethnonationalist, but nice meme friendo
>>65802375
>destroying the family
oh man did feminists lineup all dads and moms and shoot them?
wow
>>65802375
Isn't the point of marxism to create like a non-culture society or something. How is that feminism.
>>65802410
Marx himself was a complete loser, I know how Marxism works and it's a completely delusional and dangerous ideology. It belongs in the trash bin of history.
>>65802424
>pretending to be stupid
Gee
>>65802429
Judging by how you throw around the term Marxism, I don't think you know how it works. I bet the words "dialectical materialism" mean nothing to you
>>65802446
>dialectical materialism
Further proof that Marxism is the opium of intellectuals, I bet you think you're smart because you use big words your professor taught you to over complicate simple concepts.
>>65802464
No, I only used those words because if you understood Marxism at all they'd have meaning to you
>>65802474
dude you're getting troll'd
>>65802474
>you just don't understand marxism
>it's never been tried
>>65802412
apologies
looks like the stormfaggot was actually here
>>65802481
>>65802521
what? no. i was talking about gay people having families too without needing to hide, and more equal partnerships between man and wife.
>>65802510
>calling ID politics for what it is
>stormfaggot
ok dude
>>65802515
Trotsky was a Trotskyist, not a Marxist. Lmao at pretending any of the Soviet era communists were Marxist; the Communist Manifesto explicitly talks about how communism shouldnt be implemented in societies that haven't industrialized fully yet (he explicitly mentioned Russia but it applies to China at the time of Mao as well), because they won't have a fully formed and realized proletariat.
I'm not saying Marxism would work now either, because we've past the stage of being an industrial society and the proletariat no longer exists in the same form it did in Marx's time
>>65802515
nigga if you know anything about marxism you know that there are wildly different strains that constantly fight with each other. you cant tar them with the same brush.
I mean the anarcho socialists hate stalin.
>>65802545
Gay parents are better than none, but nothing can ever replace a Mother and Father.
>>65802551
>muh white genocide
>>65802567
anarcho socialist is a term that shouldn't even exist
>>65802595
If that gets you, do you just shit yourself when you hear the term anarcho-communist? Cause Kropotkin was a pretty lit dude
>>65802595
oh lease, the socialists were the ones who invented that term to begin with.
they also were the first libertarians before the "we're totally not republican guys, muh states rights" faggots stole the term.
>>65802585
don't you have a vigil to hijack and make all about how it's whitey's fault or something
>>65802595
In the end, it's just about the Left and the Right. All other ideologies are just fluff, and anarchy just creates a void that's going to be filled eventually. The Left vs the Right, is antihuman vs human, perversion vs nature.
Also, to those saying Marxism doesn't work in the real world, I'd say the anarcho-syndicalists in Catalonia made it work pretty well until the Reds sold them out to Franco. Anarcho-syndicalism seems like the closest thing to pure Marxism that I know of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKpXEnOWDTk
>>65802632
You're really fucking dumb if you believe all of political philosophy can be reduced to right vs left
>>65802633
so it still didn't work then
>>65802633
Anarchy anything creates a void to be filled by the strong.
>>65802657
Yeah if you think anarchy is just a void you're fucking uneducated. Anarcho-syndicalism is definitely not just a void of governance. Try reading the wiki article on it you dumb ape
Is /mu/ incapable of discussing political music without the thread turning into a left vs right shitfest?
>>65802687
I used to be an Anarchy Syndicalist when I was 12, it has nothing to do with a lack of education. You can go on and on about how a dream system works, but if it's not compatible with reality it's worthless. You can't have a completely egalitarian society.
>>65802700
Towards the middle of the thread it was pretty good when a couple others and I were just recommending music. Then these other fuckers showed back up
>>65802733
The thread was just a circle jerk.
>>65802725
Except it did work. If it weren't for being betrayed by the Reds, it would've worked a lot longer too. I'm not a syndicalist nor do I endorse it, but what you're saying just reeks of ignorance. I highly doubt you used to be a syndicalist
>>65800866
Frankly we expect a higher standard of post even at /pol.
>>65802748
>If it weren't for being betrayed by the Reds
You proved my point, it failed. If we tried this type of shit in the US, I guarantee you that a foreign force would step in and take the power
>>65802768
No, they didn't fail. The Republic of Spain (not the same thing as Catalonia) failed to stop Franco and the syndicalists suffered for it. What you're arguing would be like saying capitalism failed because it was replaced by Maoism in China.
>>65802768
Also, just because there is a lack of a state mean a military/defense force can't be established. If someone wants to take over the society, they'd need to beat them in war. I see no reason an anarchist society would be any less skilled at war, especially in this age where it's been proven that decentralized guerilla tactics trump traditional military hierarchies
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>>65802768
Losing a war doesn't prove that a political system isn't viable
>>65800426
Nice try, Anita.
>>65799139
You're just a butthurt leftist now please gb2r/reddit
