Non-/pol/tards, do you ever feel weird about listening to Nazi or Nazi-affiliated bands? Pic related
>>65785209
yeah nazis are really evil and the bad guys in ww2 so it gives me totally icky feelings to listen to bands that aren't liberal and progressive xd
yea
call me a fag but I don't like stuff that promotes dangerous ideologies
both extreme right and left too
>>65785262
Nazis are bad, dude
>>65785262
I wonder if any WWII veterans have ever seen a ghost. Yikes, I just gave myself goose pimples!!!
I don't care if their music's good, but I wouldn't tell anyone I know that I listened to them for fear of being socially isolated
Death in June are rad.
I'm a leftist.
Anyway, if you're too preoccupied and swayed by political messages in music then you're probably really dumb or doing art wrong.
>>65785382
and what do you think art should be about? how would one do art 'right', then?
Yes.
My father is Jewish and I don't know my mother's side very well. I've spent the last 3 years working in West Africa and Southeast Asia.
I don't bother with NSBM or RAC anyway because it's mostly shit music and the fact they'd associate with nazism makes me cringe. But I do like neo-folk and early industrial. Death in June and Blood Axis have done some really nice stuff, and I'm particularly intrigued by Boyd Rice's work. I know there's this whole idea that Boyd Rice is just a provocateur and is trolling with the WP stuff, but I know people who were involved in the San Francisco punk and industrial scenes, and they say he became pretty genuine about some of those stances. Apparently for a while he was talking constantly about how the white race was endangered, and shit like that.
I'm not religiously Jewish, but the fact that there have been Jews and blacks who meant a lot to me makes it uncomfortable to deal with nazi or white power stuff because it all feels so unbearably idiotic.
>>65785209
I try not to listen to them at all if if their whole intent for their music is to use it as a soapbox for their ideology ...
>>65785382
>Anyway, if you're too preoccupied and swayed by political messages in music then you're probably really dumb or doing art wrong.
That is obviously not true and any artist who considers their work political would disagree with you there.
A little bit ashamed sometimes, but Im jewish so I can do whatever I want.
>>65785382
>>65785209
If you think that DI6 are nazi or nazi-affiliated, you're very wrong.
>>65785209
Naw I dont listen to faggot music.
>>65785480
>>65786482
>>65785382
>Enjoying music by people who want you dead
Cucks.
>>65785209
DEATH IN JUNE
ARE NOT
NAZIS
>thinking Di6 is actually neonazi
It's like actually thinking death metal bands like Cannibal Corpse are literally composed of murderers and necrophiliacs
>>65787253
Nazis would have gotten rid of DIJ too for Doug's homosexuality.
>I believe in white supremacy, until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people ... I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from [the Aborigines] ... Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Abos were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
And people still deny their Nazis
"nazism" in neofolk is pretty much nothing but posturing. shoulda made this about NSBM instead.
I feel like aggressively going out of your way to not listen to things that disagree with your worldview could be a sign of insecurity about your own beliefs honestly. Though of course there's likely plenty of cases where it's just trauma or something. If I enjoy the music I enjoy the music, that's it. I don't care about politics that much though, maybe it's more important to to other people.
>>65787474
>Attributing Panda Bear quotes to Douglas
anon...
>>65787408
You're right, DI6 is Strasserist.
>>65787695
I remember doug describing himself as a national bolshevist
>>65787814
He said it interested him, but I don't think he explicitly stated that he believed in it.
Personally, I doubt that he actually is a Nazi of any form, but I think he plays with the idea because it's ironically good publicity for the band to be seen as a bit edgy and so by hinting at it they perhaps attract more people to their music. I mean, as much as I like Death in June, I know a lot of people wouldn't give them a second thought if it wasn't for the whole Nazi shtick.
It feels a bit weird because I'm a bitch and a faggot to both the nazis and the niggas
So ...
On a limb
Death in June even plays regularly in Israel for gods sake
>>65787925
Weirdly enough people seem much less confused about the issue when it comes to the industrial scene for example. Are people more ready to assume that the statements are mere provocation when the music itself is also pursuing an abrasive aesthetic?
>>65785209
>not separating the art from the artist
also I'm just not much of a lyrics guy
if an artist I liked was a nazi I wouldn't care as long as the music still sounded good
>>65787814
>national bolshevist
That's Limonov stuff.
>>65787584
salut BnT
>>65787059
This but unironically
I wouldn't give any money to an artist who I thought would use it to advance a cause I'm opposed to
besides that it doesn't really factor in, I can tune out lyrics I don't like pretty easily
>>65787965
>implying israel aren't the modern nazis
smhtbhfam
>>65787253
>Not listening to music because if the artist somehow found out who you are and what you believed it might make them upset
Ultra-cuck
I find it funny to think that there are artists who make music that is supposed to be anti-black people or anti-Jew or whatever, and that there must be some people within those groups that listen to it. I wonder if the bands wouldd be happy that they're giving them money, or annoyed that they're listening to them.
>>65785282
Fag
>>65788227
>I wonder if the bands wouldd be happy that they're giving them money, or annoyed that they're listening to them.
Potentially creating self-loathing Jews/blacks? Yeah, I think it's safe to assume they'd love the idea
>>65788413
Does it work if the person doesn't pay for the music and doesn't develop self-loathing because of the music?
>>65788035
late reply because I was checking up on the end of the match
evenin' evenin' bonsoir m8
>>65788227
The bands probably don't care as long as they don't have to directly interact with those individuals.
>>65785209
Nope not at all, especially not with Death In June. With shit like Peste Noires Aryan supremacy or just NSBM in general I can understand that certain people will find that offensive and be judgemental towards me for liking it, but I don't care and listen to it anyway. A lot of my friends seem to be a bit like that though, they care so fucking much about the person behind the music that he/she becomes more important than the music itself, and therefore if the musician is controversial in any slight way they disregard that music (and most of the time instead find a way more poppy or worse ripoff of the first act who's just more PC or whatever), and honestly it's their loss, I just think it is stupid to miss out on good music for fear of being percieved as a racist/fascist or whatever.
Oh and btw this is coming from a guy who identifies as a socialist/leftist.
Does anyone have different views for if the music is far left than if it's far right? Like are there people here that object to Graveland but love themselves some Red Army Choir?
I'm fairly right wing and I don't mind listening to leftist punk or Stereolab
>>65788755
I wouldn't be surprised, the whole holocaust thing is a lot more known by your average person (at least in america) than the shit done by the soviets and mao
the whole genocide thing is just more blatant, and 'communism' is cool and edgy judging by all the ché merchandise
>>65788828
This
>>65787474
reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClBRaretEk
>>65788755
i'm right wing and gy!be is one of my favorite bands
The thing is, even if artists I listen to are right leaning, or racist, or sexist, or fascist, it's still artistic expression and beyond themselves.
I can divorce myself from succumbing to propaganda, and I actually see some reason to use right wing ideas and prejudices in art because those things are a reality and reality needs to be shown, even if it's mocked or seen in a serious light.
The world isn't a safe place filled with hippie ideals. It's filled with racism, sexism, homophobia, and traditionalist rhetoric. You can't avoid these things and even artists who espouse things things are still fundamentally human beings who need to make a living to survive.
>>65787474
If this isn't just bait then plz give source
>>65788828
is the american red scare responsible for the romanticization of VALIANT REVOLUTIONARIES the same way the prohibition was responsible for glorifying gangsters?
>>65788828
Some people did object to the indie rock band Viet Cong, but other than that there hasn't been a whole lot of objections, afaik, to bands naming themselves Khmer Rouge, Gang of Four or any other stuff with reference to communist regimes.
I assume it's mostly a cultural thing, because people in the west never had their family members take away by the secret police or lost their property due to collectivization.
>>65788941
Somewhere in here, but I can't find the exact bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnXvjK_Zcok
>>65788968
you could argue that, yes. I'd say it probably originated from the fact that much of the communist stuff in the western hemisphere happened while the establishment in the US was very heavily against it and hippie counterculture was taking off, so that's kinda embedded the whole "communism = valiant revolutionary" thing into the american consciousness, at least with non-conservative types
>>65789016
Nope he doesn't say anything like that in here, but thanks for making me watch that video, it's a really cool interview
to answer OP's question: No. I grew up in the Bush era, where rampant leftism ran the media (oh wait, that still happens) and as a stupid high schooler, I only knew music that was on the radio or that other people were listening to. Didn't soak in any of their agenda.
Now that I have a few RAC bands or NSBM bands in my music collection, I know how to separate the art from the artist, and have yet to soak in any of their radical agendas either.
>>65785282
That's fair
>>65790799
I can't believe you actually watched the whole thing. To be fair, it's a pretty interesting interview anyway. But yeah, he didn't actually say that, that was the John Wayne quote, but changed a bit.
>>65785299
maybe you shouldn't listen to David Bowie and everyone he influenced.
No and I'm not even white, I just like the music.
>>65787474
Seems about right.
I don't care. I like Arghoslent, GBK, Absurd, Graveland and RaHoWa. Doesn't make me a bad person.
Art is freedom of expression and if the music is good enough, I can look past the politics.
And yes, politics shouldn't mix with music.
>>65791077
Thin White Duke =/= David Bowie
Anyway, 80s Bowie onwards was very anti-racism.
di6 isn't nazi affiliated
I don't give a fuck. If the music sounds good, its good and I'll listen to it. It could be about genociding all blacks and slicing them open or whatever, if it has a good melody and beat I'll fucking jam to it, and I would hope you'd do the same considering this is a music board. Burzum used to be /mu/core, now you have fags on here who unironically say they refuse to listen to it because its ''problematic''.
>>65785209
Sometimes when it's very overt in their music, but I already listen to artists who did things a lot worse than just being a nazi.
I don't listen to AJJ because they're extremely left wing.
If you criticize me for that and then say you don't listen to extreme right wing bands you're a fucking hypocrite.
>>65791192
>Killed his missus for cheating on him as well as her lover
Justified tbhmate
What if you go to a Di6 show because you like the music and don't care about the politics but then you get beat up by some antifa protestor?
>>65791149
You shouldn't listen to Joy Division, either.
An offensive aesthetic should be censored in according to your sensitivity.
No, I'm not stupid.
>>65791228
There is nothing wrong with extreme leftism because it promotes love and tolerance. Extreme right wing politics promote hate and violence. Fuck off fascist.
>ideology
>>65791294
What are you on about? I'm just saying David Bowie isn't, and probably never was a fascist, and that he only ever made comments supporting fascism while in character as the openly fascist character The Thin White Duke, so those comments shouldn't really be applied to him. Even if he was I wouldn't care though.
>>65791321
haha look at this pinko
go write your sociology paper kid
stalin was a real beacon of love and tolerance huh
>>65785282
>dangerous
>ideologies
This is what millennials believe.
>>65785209
Don't give a shit about it. If the music's good, the music's good.
>>65791321
>There is nothing wrong with extreme leftism because it promotes love and tolerance.
>>65791321
>there are people who actually believe this
You have been brainwashed, son
>>65791420
Stalin wasn't left wing you ignoramus. He was an authoritarian fascist under the guise of ''Stalinism/Communism''. He was as Hitler as they come.
I'm actually a Political Science major but ok douche.
>>65791490
Yes. ''SJWs'' goal is to remove offensive language from popular parlance and hep marginalized groups get on equal footing and command respect in society from the white male power structure. It's an ideology built on love, but it harms the right's hate so they attack it.
>>65791491
Police are biased. Antifa are NOT terrorists.
>>65791321
Yes, be tolerant of people who want you murdered for being western.
But it's not racist if you're coloured, correct?
>>65791491
so you're not completely autistic after all
just mostly autistic
Nah I tend not to let any of that shit influence my enjoyment of the music. I actually had people send me hate mail for buying this record
>>65791192
I used to love Sacred Music for 5 Voices but somehow managed to completely forget the name of the guy AND the music a while back. Thx
Weird yes, bad no. Nazi musicians in 2016 are weirdos by default but it's part of what makes them interesting to the listener.
>>65787059
A civilization with a single unified race will objectively be better. The problem is what to do before that.
>>65788413
Self-loathing blacks listen to Hopsin, not NSBM. People in minorities who feel attracted to hateful music do so because they get a kick from it.
>>65791171
1) Burzum is still /mu/core and nobody thinks it's "problematic"
2) you sound like a pre-teen, are you a pre-teen ? 4chan is a 18+ website
I really don't understand why liberals always go on about how they can't enjoy any artists who have different views to them. I'm not a Nazi sympathiser myself and I used to be extremely left wing but I've never felt bad about listening to artists who affiliate with fascism. Do liberals really feel disgust when listening to Burzum or is it just virtue signalling like with everything else they do?
>>65791590
There is no white genocide. Go fuck yourself.
PoC aren't in power throughout the Western world. They are marginalized so they have every right to be angry against those at the top i.e. you and me and all the other cis whites who have oppressed them for hundreds of years and have ruined their lives and nations in the name of colonialism.
>>65791577
I actually agree with you
>>65791602
Elaborate?
>>65791577
>Police are biased.
Yes, because they can tell you are left-wing because of the color of your skin. The only one who is biased here is you.
>>65791577
Stalin was left wing and authoritarian, that's not a contradiction. He was not a fascist.
>>65791577
>>65791647
>at the top
>you and me
lol, sikkest bait 2knot8
>>65791645
Some do, some don't. I'm a Radical Centrist, but I can listen to stuff on any part of the spectrum, so long as it's good music. I know other people who wouldn't even listen to something by Ted Nugent though because they disagree with him politically.
>>65791674
authoritarian = fascist, statecuck
>>65791713
[citation needed]
>>65785282
buddy, the horseshoe theory is bullshit, ok?
"extreme" "radical" "fundamental" are all words that essentially mean "I am wrong and very upset"
![fanisk-noontide-600x600[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PSTvMdW.jpg "fanisk-noontide-600x600[1].jpg")
not aryan mustard race but Noontide is still one of my favorite albums. Blatancy is offputting but not to a degree of never listening to the music. If it's being used to a level of absurdity for shock value as in power electronics or similar fringe scenes, then it's at least easier explained and understood.
>>65791647
>They are marginalized so they have every right to be angry against those at the top i.e.
This is a made up reality to create a false victimisation. The only marginalisation that's happening is being done to themselves. You believing that white people have an inherent advantage over coloured people actually means you have a racist ideology.
>you and me and all the other cis whites who have oppressed them for hundreds of years
I haven't done anything.
>and have ruined their lives and nations in the name of colonialism.
Colonialism brought advanced technology to southern countries in order to further the human race. The only damage that has been done to now independent nations has been done themselves for neglecting the help from western countries.
>>65791772
extremists are always idiots
i dont know how you can dispute that
tumblrites and /pol/acks are both equally retarded
Magma was probably the best Nazi band ever.
>>65791713
>statecuck
This is funny, because I lean towards limited government, politically
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's fascism
>>65791820
except "tumblrites" are either completely made up straw people or "liberal" which might as well mean the most mild political opinion ever.
what passes as "extreme left" on this board never fails to make me laugh, and the horseshoe theory is still bullshit anyway.
>>65785480
Of course, you're a Jew.
>>65791869
If you think they're merely strawman, I advise you to take a trip to Portland, Oregon or your local college campus.
>>65791869
tumblrites are made up straw people? are you serious?
Spend some time outside of 4chan, there are insane people spewing insane shit out there. Its not just a le boogymane meme.
>>65791869
>the extremists on the side that i identify with are made up but the ones that i don't agree with are real!
could you make your b8 any shittier
>having pride in your race and its accomplishments is "objectionable".
Only if you're black.
>>65791842
>Extremely non-conventional band taking a huge influence from black music
>Nazi band
I didn't know you were this fucking stupid. Filtered.
I can listen to music that doesn't reference their political beliefs, but I can still oppose what they believe.
>>65791386
>implying the denial of ideology isn't an ideology in itself
>>65791932
>I advise you to take a trip to Portland, Oregon or your local college campus.
Well, going to college is sound advice, especially if it's directed to someone who hasn't set a foot on one, such as you. Hopefully you finished high school.
>>65792000
I attend a university but ok m8.
I see these types daily. You would too if you actually went to college.
>>65791970
>he doesn't know the story behind this joking statement
http://kohntarkosz.blogspot.nl/2009/11/some-words-about-recent-controversy.html
>>65791937
>tumblrites are made up straw people? are you serious?
Yes. Most proto free bleedin fishkin ultra buzzword feminists are made up by 4chan people.
Do you really find that hard to realize that people can easily say outrageous things on the internet posing as someone else?
>>65791970
>the truth hurts, so I will filter them
See http://kohntarkosz.blogspot.cl/2009/11/some-words-about-recent-controversy.html
They even chant "Für Mein Führer Adolf Hitler" on MDK!
>Für mëhn fühl ëhndöh Lïtaah
Their black influence wasn't even that much anyways
The stupid is you, not me, friend
>>65791989
One of the things The Ž says is that when you think you're outside of ideology's influence, that's actually when you're fully within it's grasp. A cynic that goes about life just as planned is the ideal ideological zombie. Basically we're all fucked.
>>65792040
>>65792054
Well, shit.
>>65792054
>inb4 Coltrane
I know
>>65791989
The problem is not ideology in itself, but how unaware people are of its influence on themselves
>>65792050
a girl i went to high school with painted pictures with her period blood for art class and constantly talked about how we should treat black women like holy goddesses who can do no wrong
i'm not saying they're as big of a problem as /pol/ makes them out to be but they're definitely out there
>>65792050
Except I've met such people in real life, maybe youre just lucky enough to live away from them. Its unironically not a meme, some people are crazy.
>>65792127
>>65792141
I'll trust your anecdote fully, internet person, and also concede that your personal anecdote which I have no way to verify is somehow is completely representative of large groups of people. You're right.
>>65792054
Yeah well that in particular does fucking hurt, you know
At least I wasn't that into magma as whoever wrote that post.
Yes! I find Nazism interesting, especially when it's put into beautiful music.
>>65785209
You better be goyim. Never forget the 6 trillion
>>65792177
ok man, live in your bubble
>>65792202
Why would you care anyways? They made good music, that's all. Lots of artists supported unpopular political ideologies, it's to be expected.
>>65792202
>caring
>at all
boo hoo
>>65791647
>those and the top
>me
lmao, I wish
>>65792202
go kill yourself
i hope that hurts you
>>65792202
>words hurt me
You literally have the mind of a child.
>>65791810
>Colonialism brought advanced technology to southern countries in order to further the human race. The only damage that has been done to now independent nations has been done themselves for neglecting the help from western countries.
The poster you replied to was being dumb, but this is just flat out wrong. Most examples of colonialism involve some amount of genocide. Usually when a bunch of people show up somewhere and say "hey this is ours now" the reaction of the natives is understandably not positive and often results in "colonists" murdering some indigenous people to take their land.
>>65792585
In some places, like Australia, it was for the better.
>>65792585
>The poster you replied to was being dumb, but this is just flat out wrong. Most examples of colonialism involve some amount of genocide. Usually when a bunch of people show up somewhere and say "hey this is ours now" the reaction of the natives is understandably not positive and often results in "colonists" murdering some indigenous people to take their land.
The European West needed land to survive. It was simply natural selection, and the west came out first because they were a far more advanced civilisation. Not only could a lot the natives share land, they attacked the westerners and in some of the most brutal and inhumane ways.
>>65785209
"i read some cool infographics and watched some nifty vidoes my fellow /pol/ memers sent me, im ready to debate on the internet :))"
somebody stop this meme already
>>65792799
Why would you bump this thread if it angers you that much?
>>65792615
Yeah keep telling yourself that, your ancestors were all criminals
>>65792862
abbos aren't people
>>65792887
this
non-aussies wouldn't understand. they're fucking cavemen.
>>65792946
so are aussies to the rest of the world
>>65792946
Where's the self-awareness
>>65791932
I live in portland and yeah I don't actually encounter like a lot of super excessive PC shit but when I do it comes with a force. But as someone who is involved in the music scene it homestly isn't that bad. Teenagers are dumbasses and they can even fuck up well intentioned activism, what else is new.
The real danger is any community that festers in its own self righteousness. Yknow people who only associate with people from simmilar backgrounds who agree with them on everything.
>>65793238
>>65793955
abbos huff gas and rape their children
they burned down all the forest land in australia in order to hunt animals
it took a bunch of english convicts to make the place livable again
they're brain dead savages
>>65794031
>abbos huff gas and rape their children
I was led to believe australians did the same
The Abbo-Tranny alliance is going strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIubgsfK8E
>>65794031
sounds like most australians
>>65794695
>abbos
>wise
no, because i listen to music for the music, nothing more nothing less
>>65791957
yikes
