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20th century edition. What are your favorite composers/pieces from the 20th century?
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>>65702846
Kurt Weill, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Steve Reich, Avo Part, John Adams, Richard Einhorn, Benjamin Britten, and Hubert Parry are all good.
sorry, /mu/ is a bunch of massive plebs who can't into basic classical, let alone 20th century.
Personally I love Schnittke, Lera Auerbach and John Psathas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8IwbnmJ_8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRr-tTEpfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gG0j-35Mgk
post your mains
More like 20th century WANKssical. Because everything from the 20th century is substance-less masturbation.
>>65705036
>implying that everything from the 20th century is substance-less masturbation.
>>65705036
>>65704055
Fuck off poly.
Would you say people are finally coming around to Serialism after 100 years or that we're still so far away?
>>65705483
Some people never will, a large majority will always think of classical as 19th century and stuff that sounds like it: romanticised baroque and neo-romantic. Lots have accepted it as just another part but they are difficult to hear over the romantic majority.
That said it is difficult to believe people growing up these days listening to modern popular music would have much of an issue with 12tone and similar.
>>65705483
When it stops sounding horrible. Modern composers use serialism to hide their lack of talent. Beethoven and Mozart would roll over in their graves if they heard the kind of crap that came out of the 20th century.
>>65705819
Some would say the same of Beethoven and fortissimos, chromaticism, etc.
He wasn't a "talented" composer.
>>65705062
implying humans didn't masturbate before the 20th century, Re:the entire romantic period is literally the definition of musical masturbation.
>>65705858
He didn't hide behind advanced techniques though. He clearly had talent. Which is why Beethoven still has an audience unlike shitty modern serialists.
>>65705931
Beethoven was a shitty melody writer and shitty at pacing his works.
I'm sure you all get this very often, but where does one 'start' with classical music? What should one do besides listen - look up history? Read any books on it?
Is there any kind of chart or infographic
>>65705858
You are smoking crack if you think Beethoven wasn't talented.
>>65705931
A larger audience doesn't equate to talent, though
>>65706136
He made good music but certainly wasn't talented.
Reminder that Beethoven killed Western art music by making bog gigues acceptable.
>>65706166
What exactly is the difference? Or do you mean technical player? Beethoven was definitely talented in both senses. He was a child prodigy and Op. 106 is still considered one of hardest pieces of music to play today. I guess being one of the greatest and most important artists of all time isn't enough talent alone already.
>>65705997
just start with the most famous works from an author you already know and then branch out
i.e. mozart: k40, requiem, voi che sapete, etc
>>65706836
Well I don't know if you could call him talented since he had such hard time composing
>>65706141
It generally does with classical though.
>>65705955
Yet millions of people still listen to him and admire his genius while serialists are completely absent from concert halls.
>>65706166
>admired by Mozart
>not talented
>>65707394
>while serialists are completely absent from concert halls.
Source: my ass
>>65707426
You mean Mozart was
>admired by Beethoven
John Cage
>>65707732
Beethoven met Mozart when he was a kid and Mozart said he had talent. And this is from Mozart, who had a huge ego.
>>65707426
Why leave it at Mozart? Beethoven left a large shadow and tons of people admired him after his death.
Bruckner wanted to do lewd things to his skull.
>>65708561
>Bruckner wanted to do lewd things to his skull.
Go on...
Can anyone recommend me some stuff similar to Werther? I'm not really into opera but I like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aYTGEwqde8
>>65705997
Read Rosen, listen to Mozart.
>>65702846
>listening to the contemporary circlejerk they call "music"
>/comp/ down
Every time I get out of math class without fail.
>>65708765
Manon
Manon Lescaut
Andrea Chenier
Eugene Onegin
La Boheme
Lakmé
What are some good neoclassical cello sonatas?
>>65708895
Why would you need to be in /comp/? Music is literally just applied number theory.
>>65708766
Thanks anon
>>65709059
Theory is fun to discuss.
>verte cito
>reverte citius
>>65708600
Look up Bruckner and Beethoven's skull on google. Tons of stories about it.
I'm wondering if there's any music where the performer is required to get piss drunk first. I think that would be funny.
Reminder that Schoenberg is the best composer of the 20th century.
>>65705900
>this meme again
No. Romantic is foreplay that never gets to sex. Baroque is musical masturbation
>>65710400
There's a schnittke piece with vodka shots scored into the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHamoW_O5hY
>>65712347
what a meme
>>65712425
of course. "gogol suite" dont expect anything less than jokes and fun times
>>65709059
>Music is literally just applied number theory.
only if you have no creativity
>>65712672
>undergraduate detected
Composition for this feel?
>>65714346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W1_shm7vdE
>>65714346
There's a serious lack of smegma porn in general. It's an under-catered fetish.
>>65714810
It's the pornography equivalent of classical, basically. Only for patricians.
>>65714890
This man gets it.
>>65712347
wow, and organ a piano AND a harpsichord?
this is easily the best symphony of the 20th century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoaTVgvxm-M
>>65704030
>Leonard Bernstein
No
>>65712347
Coincidentally, vodka shots are needed to sit through his music.
>>65715300
you suck you loser
>>65715337
>>65715381
schnittke is the greatest composer of the 20th century, he is just as good as bach or beethoven
my favorite composer of the 20th century is john williams
>>65715441
>>65715441
I would rather eat my own ass than listen to Schiittke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrJwK2VwPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DnEd3dv5Gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbmGmvnQms4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj9RcWN3b9A
Relistened to Brahms' Hungarian Dances after dismissing them as simple and without any substance.
Never thought I'd say this about music, but some of them are just the cutest, I mean goddamn.
>>65715038
ah, ive finally finished listening the whole thing straight
>>65716906
You can go back to being gay now then
>>65716940
ok
*plays steve reich whilst flying away*
>>65715441
his only worthwhile pieces are those with a choir. everything else is trash
mozart is gay lol
>>65717586
fptmiu
>>65705997
CLT's history of the Canon.
>>65716186
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEOhfTceO0k
How can a melody be so adorable
>>65715070
I think he has some pretty good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6sd4ZyKqkU
>>65718799
Has Bernstein made any gay sex films?
>>65707204
Talented is the special ability to do something, not the time or effort one takes to do so, fuckface
>>65704030
go to bed, clt
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This is the best classical release of 2016
>>65719864
Source: person who doesn't listen to classical music.
http://www.violinist.com/blog/Mle/20124/13408/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsggMNk2270
LMAO
>>65720021
Man those comments are butthurt
Good video desu
>>65719901
cute fallacy
>>65720021
Is Bruckner the Hevy Metul of classical? Are Bruckner fans really simpleminded degenerates?
>What are your favorite composers/pieces from the 20th century?
Ivor Gurney. This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzdMkjLSBW0
Can anyone rec me some really emotive pianists like Anton Rubenstein?
Is it wrong that I enjoy the "Prussian" quartets but don't enjoy the "Haydn" quartets?
Pls respond
>>65702846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Qxixombe0
>>65705858
Are you actually fucking retarded? You try to sound smart by stating an "unpopular opinion", but anyone who actually knows about music thinks you are literally retarded. I mean literally, like you can't sound out what you just said.
>>65707394
>It generally does with classical though.
THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS
>>65720619
No. Haydn isn't for everyone.
I can't express fully my love for this piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQLD_rPWXsE
>>65705955
That's literally your opinion shared by an extremely small number of people.
>>65721307
Yeah Bernstein was an idiot wasn't he.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuYY1gV8jhU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVz00NYwJtQ
Post your favorite passacaglias
>>65723147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIWJOKmsgLs
>>65723220
>vocal passacaglia
Nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSJ_-aR-YI
>>65723362
Purcell truly was the God of the ground bass. Most of his passacaglias or chaconnes were never explicitly titled as such though.
Sonata no. 7 from the 4 part sonatas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEHmlR9kVkQ
Fantasy on a ground in D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFRdnETgYf8
Curtain tune from Timon of Athens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ikKShu0uYM
Many such days may she bestow from Love's Goddess sure was blind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ltyQx5j1c
>>65723841
Chaconnes and passacaglias are tunes on a ground though. Is there even a definitive distinction between the two?
Purcell was the only good English composer desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Cv0XK8TMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8qRLa5T90
>>65722928
I said Mozart "Haydn" quartets
>>65723913
>Is there even a definitive distinction between the two?
It depended largely on geography and individual composers. For example, Frescobaldi's chaconnes tend to be in the major, while his passacaglias tend to be in the minor. And in his Cento Partite he even have sections marked alternatively "passacaglia" and "ciaconna".
Also that Diocletian Chaconne is an absolute jewel, though I prefer it at a much more relaxed pace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeqwiH8tKw
>Purcell was the only good English composer desu
Purcell was the LAST good English composer
FTFY
>>65724010
Well Mozart isn't for everyone as well.
>>65724113
>chaconnes tend to be in the major, while his passacaglias tend to be in the minor
This is a general trend though. It might be because ciacconas arose as one single melody line in a major key for the ostinado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWLN9xhhlrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4xHpj_4G7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbMqXxPlMrk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja7ugHH8DtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6lVM6QPic
etc., and passacaglia I believe had Spanish origin while the ciaccona has Italian origin. But once people start composing their own basso lines the line becomes blurred.
>>65724198
>This is a general trend though.
Only when passacaglia and chaconnes appear side by side in publication, which would be influenced by Frescobaldi certainly. The Chaconne also originated in Spain/Spanish New World, and probably slightly earlier than the passacaglia too.
Just as an illustration of my previous point, Byrd did some really neat pieces with ostinato bass:
Hugh Ashton's Grounde (ground of 16 bars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bt2DAeH0Dk
Bells (ground of 2 notes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4TdQLpaDE
>>65723147
Who here likes Buxtehude?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVU_hF44KfM
>>65724373
The niggest of niggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CnMeJDxIs
http://tidido.com/a35184373854770/al55d7ced513b521ef22bcd566/t55d7ced613b521ef22bcd59e
Tiffany poons italian concerto is surprising descriptive of a young teenage smart determined girl with good upbringing. When I listen to this i think of that girl and her history, her hardwork. The music is on such a layer that is not as "historical colorful" like the masters but this is a unique presentation by tiffany. Listen to her brings in my head an image of me at her performance listening to her and thinking of her doing a homework and those hours spent in the practice room. Its not a grand beauty but a beauty of the common life, the beauty of a life of a girl like her. That is her genius.
>>65723047
Aside from Bernstein being a poor conductor and a egotist of the highest order, he spends a lot of that video praising Beethoven as well. Not to mention the lectures he has given on Beethoven praising him too. He has criticisms of him, sure, but a lot of good things to say as well. Bernstein was in a position where he could conduct anything he liked. He wouldn't have performed and recorded Beethoven so much if he did he didn't like him.
Why did no one tell me Szell was such a great Mozart conductor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfv9fnOU31s
Prokofiev was a massively mean asshole. Got to admit, it makes me like him more.
>>65723047
Reminder that Bernstein is a bitch.
>Bernstein repaid the debt in 1948 by revealing Mitropoulos’s homosexuality to Serge Koussevisky, a homophobe, and the departing director of the Boston Symphony, a post Dimitri craved. In any case, the Judas did not get the job. Charles Munch did.
>>65723047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjct5M8JzL4
how can you even still exist
Post your favorite guitar pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22E_OqBYPl8
which recording of the mass in b minor by bach should i get? richter? gardiner? suzuki?
>>65729243
Suzuki.
Alternatively, Butt.
>>65729243
Gardiner.
>>65729243
Scherchen
>>65729243
Gardiner
>>65702846
that Stravinsky's piece from some commercial
>>65729818
Which one is that?
>>65702846
>favorite pieces from the 20th century?
I'm a pleb when it comes to classical but I'll bump the thread anyway since I find it intradesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbncXDimwbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSK0ogeg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLtjnNIS9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmq1cpcglQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynEOo28lsbc
>>65729255
>>65729338
>>65729788
>>65729796
thanks, i'm going to look into those.
>>65725422
Szell is GOAT, check out his Schumann cycle. Sublime.
I'll probably get called a pleb or something but I really like Vaughn Williams. Not all of his output though, to me his music walks a line between tedious and incredible, half of it I don't care for and the other half, or a little less even, I think sounds amazing. I have one CD from my dad's collection with a recording of Fantasia that I can close my eyes and listen too and when it's over my heart rate will be raised and the hair on my arms will be standing up.
>>65730425
Octet, I believe
>>65728449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-yLS9tz1Xc
Really like the first and third piece.
>>65720021
>german music
Not even once.
Did Schnittke ever make something that's not edgy as fuck?
>>65724428
Damn son, why haven't I heard this before?
Which operas by Handel and Mozart do you guys recommend?
>>65732837
Respond to me.
>>65733254
Don Giovanni is the only opera you need. Back in my day I used to spend 12 rixdollars on good first row seats. I saw that opera a hundred times. I started working my way further back, the seats got cheaper and cheaper, just listening to the music. Until one day I decided to not even pay and just sit in the lobby and listen to the music. This is how it should be done. The music is what stirs the soul, the story is secondary.
Now fuck off, kid. You wouldn't know aesthetics if you were in a dialectic with it.
>>65728449
https://youtu.be/BC7JNE8TdmY
>>65728449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdKu1x6S6kk
just found out about this one 4 days ago, currently learning it
>>65732837
I haven't listened to too many of Handel's operas but I liked Giulio Cesare and Acis and Galatea
For Mozart, they're all pretty good but my favorites are Don Giovanni and Die Zauberflote
>>65732818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyNxRMaBYw
>>65735921
Nice.
Post some nocturnes that are not Chopin's and not French either.
>>65733576
Is this a pasta?
>>65736046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IfClVkIZN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYqOOY4pTNE
>>65736046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zcO4UIGhck
>>65702846
>What are your favorite composers/pieces from the 20th century?
ravel
prokofiev
r. strauss
sibelius
webern
What's a good recording of Brahms' 3rd Symphony?
>>65736366
reiner or v. dohnanyi.
Are your bodies ready?
>>65736637
Cute girl
>>65736637
Who?
>>65736838
>girl
>she
>her
>>65736839
>Who?
Throughout his life, he was known as Petrus, Pierchon, Pietrequin, Perchon,Pirson, Pierrazon, also known by various spellings of "La Rue": Peteren van Straten, Petrus Platensis or De Platea, Piero delapiazza, Petrus de Vico, de Vito or de al Vic, Petrus Vicanus, Petrus de Robore etc
You know, the absolute madman who one-upped Josquin and wrote a 4 ex 1 mensuration canon.
>>65716186
>>65718571
>Not already having a melody-fu
You guys gotta catch up
>>65737219
La folia claimed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBoAmQl2Kgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8zxoEoA_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnkEnfXv3R8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73PAo-mgk_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIVKXz1mCu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmcoySDKhfg
Get on my level.
>post-war avant-garde is too deep for /classical/
I wish I didn't know this feel.
>>65732617
Symphony 0, Suite in the old style, declaration of love.
They're not that great though. He's best when edge
>>65738203
recommend me some /edgy/ compositions by schnittke pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCk4MvZVmk
How do I into Messiaen?
Anyone has something like his most significant works or a boxed set or something?
I'm downloading his complete organ works, quartet for the end of times and the twenty somethings-or-others about jesus and stuff.
Yes I know nothing of his work.
Where should I start? Am I missing essential works? What's your favourite piece by him? What?
.pmuB
>>65738264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj9RcWN3b9A
>>65738755
Listen first to Quatour pour fin du temps, then L'Ascencion and Turangalîla-Symphonie, then Vingt regards. My favourite is the first, but it's all pretty incredible.
You probably know how this goes. If it isn't clicking after an hour or so, come back to it. Enjoy
>>65740010
Thanks mate, I pretty much assumed no one would answer at all.
>>65739626
fuck off i already posted that earlier
(not samefag)
>>65740424
Well, listen to it again
>>65740443
i already am
>>65739626
i already listened that one, but thanks
i'll listen it again
>>65730747
Honestly I was sleeping on Szell for a long time, he's great in Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, Schubert, Brahms, even Mahler
This man is crazy
>>65733576
damn
why is he so perfect
>>65741599
it's not fair senpai
>>65737359
This
Favourite Follias anyone?
I'd go for
1. Marais
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4HYeoGlPJQ (The best version is for flute and Basso continuo, but I couldn't find that on youtube)
2.JS Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujCLa3mVPg
3. Lully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ngcsx1Drs
>>65742404
Flute is an instrument for cuckolds
>>65743070
>not enjoying Mozart's flute concerto in G major
>>65743471
>enjoying Mozart's flute concerto in G major
>when the english horn comes in
>>65705955
You're an actual retard if you genuinely believe that.
>>65744632
Which piece?
>>65738264
Edgy is a stupid term, but check out the usual concerto grosso 1 and 2 , symphony no 1, concerto for piano and strings, gogol suite, choir concerto, requiem.
Nothing "edgier" than using drumkit in a requiem :^)
Why did so many composers dislike Richard Wagner?
>>65747122
because he's just a theatre producer
>>65747122
They can't reach his level of orchestration, form, melodic writing or symbolism / musical meaning
>>65747122
They do? He's one of the most played composers.
>>65747122
Most composers like Wagner what do you mean
Do you know who liked Wagner?
>>65746773
Dvorak 9
>>65747220
DELET THIS
>>65747341
Theodor Herzl.
>>65747687
>Theodor Herzl.
Why did jews love Wagner so much?
>>65747504
At least he wasn't any good at fugues....
>>65747861
His music is beautiful. They certainly don't like his music anymore though.
why did schnittke have to die before immortality was invented :(
Memes aside, was he any good as a conductor?
>>65748331
"no"
>>65748331
no
>>65747967
At least he left a lot of great music for us
>>65748374
>>65748377
Why not?
>>65748427
dragging tempi, over-sentimental. Look at his mahler, awful
more schnittke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td-cUkR1Tu8
What's with all the Schnittke shilling
>>65748331
He conducted his own stuff well but he always tried to put a spin on other's works.
>>65714346
It goes well with Verdi's Dies Irae.
>>65702846
Sciabin's character is a lot more interesting than his music to be honest. He definitely had some kind of synesthesia and his plans for the symphony at the Himalayas is like something out of Faust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVvx-JTvj_g
Find a better violinist than Carmignola.
Protip: you can't.
is /classical/ the only good thread on /mu/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hgiP3XLKQ8
Good morning lads! What are you listening today?
I'm starting my day with some Scrabin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWINpXNd5KE
>>65748331
Yes and no. He certainly had enough talent--though he was never amazing on any technical level as many of his recordings, fall short in terms of virtuosity. He got worse as he got older. He was in his best period during his NY / Pre-DG years.
That being said he was a huge influence on the youth of his time and was extremely popular due to his many accessible lectures and his well-spoken nature. I know a lot of classical old farts who said they wouldn't have gotten into the """genre""" without Bernstein.
Post your favorite passamezzos
https://youtu.be/ZqPBXnFhIdk?t=273
>>65751743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbI-oZ0FF78
Was there ever any good chamber music written for Guitar?
>>65705997
Pretty much start with someone famous from either the Baroque, Classical or Romantic period. Imo most people seem to find Romantic period music much easier to listen to when starting off. I would recommend anything by Tchaikovsky to start off with and branch off from there. Also Bach is great for introductory Baroque.
What compositionial technique evokes the most emotion from the listener?
>>65752752
V7 - I in a major key is pretty strong, especially with the right melody over top
There is no "technique" its a combination of melodic and harmonic writing that evokes emotion. Also depends which emotion you want to evoke. There are many, and music is capable of evoking pretty much all of them.
Is anyone here knowledgeable about microtonal music? What are good composers or compositions?
I've tried to listen to a couple but I can't help hearing it as just a conventional piece but with some notes played "out of tune" - which surely isn't the intention.
>>65752688
http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_Compositions_Featuring_the_Guitar/Lute
>>65754509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfTjz6emd7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi5kbDJDZDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfaArG5hgiI
>>65752752
Counterpoint
>>65752688
yes, lots of great guitar duos and trios
>>65752752
>>65752783
IMO IV-iii-ii-I or IV-iii-ii-iii (especially using major and minor 7 chords) is the saddest chord progression. although, i don't really know many classical examples
this is the only example i can think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PzsyZR6Jt4
after the first line of the slow part at 1:49
