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Post albums that have actually broke new grounds.
Art Angels
>>65533217
To clarify: no avant teen
>>65533217
Can is to Krautrock what the Beatles and Radiohead are to Rock. As in they stole everything from less popular artists of the time and get all the credit.
>>65533276
/thread
>>65533260
Is this bait? Tago Mago is avant teen.
>>65533260
please clarify what avant teen is.
>>65533217
The fuck are you talking about? Newgrounds wasn't even around when this came out
>>65533276
What did Can steal from other less popular artists?
>>65533276
>he hasnt heard future days
you havent lived
>>65533543
lol perhaps in a certain sense ya. playing with multiple tempos was already done before the shaggs though. great album though.
>>65534235
>playing with multiple tempos
you mean not being able to keep a beat
this is b8 right
>>65535218
Wrong album friendo.
>>65533217
R o y a l T r u x - Twin Infinitives
Everything by the Residents pre Mark of the Mole
>>65534060
Elevator music.
>>65533507
Not the other guy, but I can definitely say this for Tago Mago. The jams are obviously psychedelic jams from the previous decade. The motorik is stuff Klaus Dinger and TVU's drummer were already doing. The weird stuff on the second half is so obviously what Manfred Schoof was doing (Jaki was with Schoof before Can after all) in terms of the crazy percussive sounds, while the electronic stuff was already done by Faust to a greater extent a year before.
Imo Can didn't really come into their own style until Future Days, and while Tago Mago may seem far more unique today because an ENORMOUS amount of musicians are influenced by Future Days' sounds/atmosphere, Future Days is by far the more original and revolutionary and ground breaking album.
>>65533276
Has /mu/ become so contrarian that we shit on Can now?
inb4 overrated shit
>>65537763
ok I'm not a huge fan of this album, but what ground did it actually break? I know it was really popular, but did it do anything new?
>>65537651
I actually think this album is decent, not amazing but pretty good. However why the heck are people spamming it. It does nothing new, there's no innovation or experimentation throughout the album.
Trout mask
underrated
>>65533217
>"Real experimental"
>Whole thread is popular music
let's get this thread started.
Who are your favorite spectral composers?
I'll go with a big name and say Grisey.
Haas and Levinas are underrated.
>>65537975
god hates fags
so now even experimental is just moocore
you all faggots need to listen to more music
>>65537984
neo /mu/ pieces of vapid shit like you need to leave
>>65533543
>>65535164
>>65536033
>>65537921
the only real answers
>>65538212
Hipsters like u need to become an hero.
Fucking white ppl lmao. What's your favorite gun to take to school I mean shooting range
>>65537686
How can it break ground if it never existed?
>>65533217
>real experimental
>broke new grounds
I don't think you know what experimental means.
>>65537820
ok I'm not a huge fan of this album, but what ground did it actually break? I know it was really popular, but did it do anything new?
>>65538294
Joke's on you faggot, I'm not white at all.
Sounds like you are tho, I hope for your own sake you grow out of the pathetic tumblr apoplogist phase when you have to go out into the real world.
Good luck out there kid.
>>65533217
If you think can is 100% real experimental you're wrong. I love Tago Mago, and Future Days is probably within my top 10 albums, but real experimental that breaks new ground is rarely as digestible as something like Tago Mago.
Albums like Tago Mago are culminations of other experimental ideas put into a record that is easier to listen to, real experimental ranges from absolute trash to weird shit that you wouldn't normally listen to.
I think this goes without saying
Why has no one posted the supreme krautrock record
>>65538556
I agree with this, but there is nothing wrong with that. Being able to come up with groundbreaking ideas is one thing, making listenable music with them is another and I think both deserve their own recognition.
>>65538577
>literally poor man's Mothers of Invention
Hell no nigga Freak Out! was actually innovative and ahead of its time.
>>65538672
lol kill urself my man
>>65538988
haha will do
>>65537820
Any color you like was pretty fuckin good m8. Other than that I guess it was production
>>65538797
>literally poor man's Mothers of Invention
Sgt. Pepper's sounds nothing like it though.
>>65536669
I m b e c i l e J u n k i e s
>>65537874
Because It's thrilling and artsy
>>65533217
Experimentation after John Cage is a meme
>>65535164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EonKMJh2yTc
clearly not
salmon headpiece copy
>>65538556
Not really. Experimental is something that has been influential and invented new genres/sounds. If you do random sounds like most avant teen stuff you are just making pretentious garbage.
>>65539789
industrial was invented a decade before
>>65539872
that is nowhere near industrial
>>65534235
What the hell is the point of this comment? No they weren't literally the first humans in history to make noise at different tempos.. nobody thinks they were
>>65537975
>>65537975
>popular music can't be experimental
that's not what experimental means you faggot
>>65538294
EPIC WHITE PPL SCHOOL SHOOTING MAYMAY
OH
SHIT
LMAO
LOL!! WHITE ASS CRACKAS AMIRITE
>>65539744
It was inspired by it though.
Literally undeniable. Go on, make some generalized comment about harsh rap and look like an ass.
>>65540064
and we're in the for the money was inspired by sgt peppers in an ironic way
your point?
>>65540025
Calm down white boi, we takin yo wimmin...
>>65539846
i know of ferraro's bodyguard project, i don't really think it's 'proof' that yung lean was not groundbreaking. i don't buy it, although i know that he (or someone in his crew) was aware of ferraro at an early stage
>>65537957
definitely aotysf, but considering foodman's earlier output, i wouldn't say it's totally revolutionizing. does anyone know of other artists that might have inspired foodman or makes music in a similar style, with similar ideas? maybe other japanese footwork (i did google this, so don't just send me some generic jap juke)
There are people in this board who think "experimental" is anything a 3 years old could do with a music instrument.
RYM ruined an entire generation.
>>65537686
That's ground breaking contrariety
>>65533217
yes
>>65533285
influential but new ground???
>>65535218
oh yes.
>>65535372
hell yes
>>65535903
nope not really
>>65536632
fucking love it but did probably not break as much ground as bitches brew
>>65537763
i guess productionwise
>>65537820
oh fuck yeah.
>>65538729
yes.
>>65538577
fine
>>65538797
freak out >> SP but we're only in it for the money is probs a more interesting comparison as it was made for that purpose
>>65539744
Freak Out! by the Mothers of Invention has also been cited as having influenced Sgt. Pepper .. during the Sgt. Pepper recording sessions McCartney repeatedly stated: "This is our Freak Out!"
>>65533217
i never got the huge deal about this album
it just sounds like bad psych rock
>>65533453
It's a generic insult to throw at music that is too hard for the average /mu/ drone to understand.
>>65533217
You first op, don't post avant-teen trash like Can and expect serious replies.
This count?
>>65540064
Then it's not a "poor man's" anything.
>>65541072
>"This is our Freak Out!"
Then it should be easy for you to list the similarities
>>65541805
Has this board actually become so contrarian they're shitting on Can now?
>>65533543
>>65533217
>>65533285
>>65533543
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>>65535372
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>>65536632
>>65537651
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>>65540476
>>65541413
All avant-teen garbage, this thread is filled with poseurs.
>>65541857
Can is and has always been garbage for poseurs who can't get into real art music. "Dude it's so wacky and experimental, lmao!"
>>65541896
>le classical elitist faggot face xD
![far-side-virtual[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nF6N9Pv.jpg "far-side-virtual[1].jpg")
No album made before 2011 sounds like it
>>65540476
>SP but we're only in it for the money is probs a more interesting comparison as it was made for that purpose
Oh where in the music do they mention The Beatles?
>>65541861
>21 pilots
>avant-teen
>garbage
You take that back faggot
>>65541896
That's ELP and Magma
>>65540040
are you serious
>>65542092
true, it's an easy choice, but yet a very good one.
>>65542092
agreed.
reminds me of mavis beacon
>>65540229
I Get you. Ferraro's influence is more seen on early gravity boys stuff. I don't really think lean is groundbreaking but its definitely good. ( that album at least)
>>65541857
I really don't know what is going on haha, but i guess it's just a meme.
>>65541896
compared to Zeuhl or some shit Can is just a really good funk band. they aren't even remotely pretentious compared to their peers.
>>65542460
yeah that's what i was thinking. nah lean might not be groundbreaking, but then again, i think they really conceived some very original and enjoyable takes on early 2000's culture, appropriation, etc.
i mean it's derivative, but in an innovative way. anyways, gtb is way more interesting than sadboys imo
it's just Eric Clapton blues rock with velvet underground rhythm
>>65542663
Can listened to The Beatles and funk bands, not Eric Claptan.
you're right about TVU though.
>progressive-surf
It's probably too underground for /mu/ though.
>>65537451
I'd gladly go wherever that elevator was going.
>>65542367
You're right, they are mainstream garbage people here only ironically pretend to like.
>>65542545
Dude Musique concrete and Stockhausen lmao. They are one of the most entry level poseur avant-teen garbage bands out there.
>>65543289
do you speak in memes?
>>65538320
It does. Kevin Shields took inspiration for MBV, as did Panda Bear for his stuff etc. etc. etc.
>>65543670
inspiration =/= breaking ground
Try again.
>>65543483
Look as this ass blasted poseur getting called out for liking his entry level avant-teen music.
>>65537617
Before Faust, The Beatles were already incorporating electronic stuff on rock music. So yeah...your post is just bollocks.
>>65537617
but they were the first to bring all of those sounds together. Sure, alone those sounds aren't original but they crossed so many genres into one album and tago mago was very groundbreaking
>>65543685
Name any other album that sounds like it
>>65543756
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band.
>>65541852
absolutely
>>65543781
lol
>>65543802
DUDE TRUMPETS IN SONGS LMFAO
>>65543802
Nice argument.
Also
Song Cycle
Black Foliage
We're Only In It For The Money
Coquelicot Asleep in the Poppies
>>65543839
>Song Cycle
Marginally in song-writing style but musically/instrumentally not at all
No to the rest
>>65543837
It's more the fact that it's a psych record that eschews all the cliches of psych music. Jazz vocal harmonies and banjos instead of melisma and sitar. Clean Electric guitars (if any at all) instead of distorted.
brought transcodes into the mainstream
>>65543944
>musically/instrumentally not at all
How so?
>No to the rest
How so?
>>65543944
>Jazz vocal harmonies
lol
>>65542493
Yeah I heard only a bit of this but it was amazing.
>>65544026
>What is Cabin Essence?
>>65544095
How is that Jazz vocal harmonies?
>>65544116
Er... how are they not?
>>65544168
You made the initial assertion, the burden of proof is on you.
Name any other album that sounds like it
>>65544197
But what are you asking? They contain elements akin to vocal jazz. It's like saying "how is that a blues riff?". Cabin Essence has those interlinking acapella vocal patterns that are chant-esque (the roots of vocal jazz).
>>65539872
>"""""""""""""industrial"""""""""""""
top kek
>>65544259
>They contain elements akin to vocal jazz.
Prove it.
List 30 albums with the exact same harmonic structure and arrangement.
i can't think of another band that defined motorik like Neu! did.
>>65544297
Have you heard any vocal jazz? The Beach Boys take loads of inspiration from it
https://youtu.be/bRqOjKWobSI
holy shit so many wrong answers in this thread
this, >>65540089 and maybe >>65542092 are what I would consider actually groundbreaking
look for Liars - Mess
>>65544345
Oh they're doing something that's been done before then?
That's not breaking ground at all, is it?
>>65544359
I made this post before reading some of these later posts, forgive me. there are a lot of good answers later in this thread
>>65544378
In the context of Rock Music, sure it is
Are you expecting them to have invented an entirely new base genre?
>>65542092
this is literally just 90s videogame/computer music and muzak
>>65544397
>In the context of Rock Music, sure it is
But The Beatles were also doing that on Sgt Pepper. The Zombies as well. Also both the Olivia Tremor Control and of Montreal albums I mentioned.
Did you just say "no" to them without listening?
>Are you expecting them to have invented an entirely new base genre?
That would be grounding breaking wouldn't it?
>>65544372
SMELL MY SOCKS
>>65544444
anything for quints
>>65544432
Have vocal jazz harmonies? No they don't...
Heard them all, literally don't see any similarities other than the psychedelic quality...
So the only groundbreaking feats in music are when completely new genres are created? I'd like to hear some of your groundbreaking albums
>>65544429
yea, but the way it samples everything is much more tasteful than any other "vaporwave" album I've ever heard
>>65533543
>>65533217 (OP)
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>>65535903
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>>65537651
>>65537686
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>>65537763
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>>65538577
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>>65538729
>>65539789
>>65539809
>>65540040
>>65540089
>>65540476
>>65541413
>>65542092
>>65542493
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>>65544372
Not a single one of these is experimental, this thread is further proof that /mu/ doesn't know shit about music.
>newgrounds
>being broken
>>65544372
No wh6 would you think this
>>65544613
>actually broke new grounds
>no avant teen
fuck off
>>65544714
>actually broke new grounds
None of those albums broke new grounds
>no avant teen
Yes almost all of those are avant-teen albums meant for poseurs, sorry I forgot to mention that!
>>65544523
>Have vocal jazz harmonies? No they don't...
As per your definition ambiguously stated here >>65544345 yes the do. Feel free to take the time to chart out the harmonic progressions in the vocal harmonies to demonstrate otherwise.
>Heard them all
Prove it.
>I'd like to hear some of your groundbreaking albums
Working up to an ad hominem?
>>65544780
what would you say has actually broken new ground, then? I'm genuinely interested.
>>65544783
>Prove it
Why and how. Prove you've heard SMiLE
At least give examples to the jazz harmonies you're referring to
>>65544783
Bringing up ad hominem is worse than using one. You said that the use of jazz vocals in psych/rock isn't ground breaking enough for you, I'm just interested to hear what is
>>65544804
The true masters of art music, Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart.
>>65544864
I thought it was implied that this thread was for modern examples, but you're not wrong. those definitely broke new ground.
do you have any modern examples?
>>65544852
>Prove you've heard SMiLE
Ask me anything>>65544852
>At least give examples to the jazz harmonies you're referring to
I will if you clearly define the parameters, so that any retort will not just be "no"
Are you just talking about multi-part harmonies?
>Bringing up ad hominem is worse than using one
How so? You were bringing up something irrelevant
>I'm just interested to hear what is
Prove it.
>>65544896
The op never claimed it was for only modern examples, all the posters here are such plebeians that they never thought to post any art music.
>do you have any modern examples?
All modern music is just piggybacking off the ideas of the old masters.
>>65544929
You just said that by my standards and from what I showed you, those albums all contain them, so why are you asking me to define the parameters? Multi-layered, acapella vocals, imitating instrumentation
What do I need to prove? I'm just asking you a question, my suggestion wasn't groundbreaking enough for you, so what is? An album that invented an entirely new genre? Does that even exist?
>>65544982
I should have known you were baiting from the start, my mistake
>>65545012
>An album that invented an entirely new genre?
macintosh plus :^)
>>65544929
Also, here's more on the influence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smile_(The_Beach_Boys_album)#Influence_on_music
>>65545113
Nice
>>65545012
>Multi-layered, acapella vocals, imitating instrumentation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afrdo2qneoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwIRiHpX-tw
Check and mate
>>65545139
>Also, here's more on the influence:
See >>65543685
>>65545086
Just because I use the word plebeian doesn't mean I'm baiting, try to disprove me, you can't.
>>65545169
>Smile became the progenitor for indie rock. and its saga became a touchstone for the more art-inclined branches of post-punk
>The Elephant 6 Recording Company, a collective of independent artists which include Apples in Stereo, the Olivia Tremor Control, Neutral Milk Hotel, Beulah, Elf Power, and Of Montreal, was founded through a mutual admiration of 1960s pop music, with Smile being "their Holy Grail".
>Elvis Costello described a Smile piano demo of "Surf's Up" as akin to an original recording of Mozart in performance
>Questlove of neo soul band the Roots said "[Brian Wilson]'s a modern-day Stravinsky … The way he constructs his music, he's a madman. … He was doing stuff [40 years ago] that modern people do now
>Black Flag vocalist Henry Rollins has written enormous praise to Smile, calling the album "one of the best things you are likely to hear in all of your life. There are moments on Smile that are so astonishingly good you might find yourself just staring at your speakers in unguarded wonder, as I have."
>Don Was of Was (Not Was) has said, "In the fall of 1989, I was working with a band who turned me on to the bootlegged recordings of Brian Wilson's legendary, aborted Smile sessions. Like a musical burning bush, these tapes awakened me to a higher consciousness in record making. I was amazed that one, single human could dream up this unprecedented and radically advanced approach to rock 'n roll."
>Speaking about Smile, Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins has said, "I really hear America. I really feel that he was trying to sum up America. He was literally trying to bring Mark Twain into rock and roll, and he almost got there."
Easy
Experimental doesn't have to invent an entire new genre. It just has to EXPERIMENT. New sounds, even simple ones, is experimentation.
>>65545256
Non sequitur
>>65545184
nah
>>65545309
Lot's of people who know more about music than you obviously think the album is pretty ground-breaking. The first quote is about as ground-breaking as you can get
>>65545326
>The first quote is about as ground-breaking as you can get
The one with no citation and is incorrect anyways?
Nice try.
If you want to talk quotes, Brian Wilson said The Beatles beat him to the punch with the Sgt Pepper sessions. Hence THAT was the real groundbreaking material, not Smile.
>>65545364
Kudos to you for trolling for this long! Takes real commitment
>>65545379
>gets proved wrong
>y-you must h-have been trolling!
>>65545419
You've proved nothing. You've literally given no substance at all. You must be having a laugh if you think Sgt Pepper broke more ground than SMiLE
>>65545448
>You've proved nothing. You've literally given no substance at all.
Ooops did you mean to quote >>65545326 ?
Would you like to discuss how SMile created indie rock? I would love to hear you tell me!
>You must be having a laugh if you think Sgt Pepper broke more ground than SMiLE
Why? Your rubric is "Someone who knows more about music than you" (Brian Wilson) said so (They beat me to the punch).
It's literally your own logic.
![sobre%2Ba%2Bmaquina1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/w44P7HI.jpg "sobre%2Ba%2Bmaquina1[1].jpg")
This is the most experimental release of the 10s
Prove me wrong
>>65545490
Brian meant he beat them to the quintessential Art Pop record at the time, not that they somehow recreated his musical ideas and ambition before he did. Are you really this dense? Does light bend around you?
>>65545560
[citation needed]
>>65545584
So you just go ahead and assume that he meant musically, despite the two albums being polar opposites and SMiLE consciously moving away from psych cliches that Pepper embraces? Ok then...
>>65545616
>So you just go ahead and assume that he meant musicall
You are making assumptions as well. Are you intentionally being retard now?
>consciously moving away from psych cliches that Pepper embraces? Ok then...
Like what?
SMiLE is full of psyche cliches you dummy
>>65545652
Pepper contains: strong Indian influence, Sitar and Tabla, Acid guitars, all stuff that SMiLE actively avoids, and that had saturated rock music heavily up to this point.
This difference is, my assumption is logical, yours isn't.
The only cliches are in the sense of the subject matter, musically it's completely left-field for psych rock, but go ahead and name some, burden of proof and all that
>>65533453
music I don't like
>>65545745
SMiLE contains: surreal lyrics, overabundance of reverb, tape delay, fuzzed out guitars, non-traditional instruments in a rock context, use of the recording studio as an instrument.
Nice try though
>and that had saturated rock music heavily up to this point.
Incorrect. Many of SMiLE's qualities were used in psychedelic music for the last 40 years. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smile_(The_Beach_Boys_album)#Influence_on_music
I've literally never heard an artist quite like Autechre
>>65545310
That's what I thought.
>>65545835
I meant up to the point of its inception
Studio manipulation was done by Brian before the Beatles, the album was recorded a year earlier. Saying that sing non-traditional instruments somehow links them is ridiculous
>>65545879
Using*
only real answer ITT
>>65545879
>damage control
>>65545925
>resorting to a meme
Damage control
>>65545948
Ooops you meant to quote >>65545379
Sorry about that!
>>65545859
this is somewhat similar
>>65545964
>>65546005
>>resorting to a meme
Done arguing I see.
>>65545996
not really. that sounds super modular.
>>65546030
Yeah
>>65545996
What's that release like?
Most of Funks' stuff is just spamming the amen break
>>65546088
its shit just like all vsnares
Not even joking or memeing
>>65540089
Beatnigs did it way before DG did, you bitch.
>>65544613
You're either deaf or retarded if you think Unicorn Porn's The White Stag isn't experimental.
>>65546352
>Unicorn Porn's The White Stag
I'm not listening to your shitty album you're attempting to viral that is 100% in no way experimental.
>>65546352
I haven't heard it.
How is it experimental?
>>65545282
>Random electronic farts and squeals
>Groundbreaking
![65~79 Milan KnÞák [Broken Music].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7ftzPXO.jpg "65~79 Milan KnÞák [Broken Music].jpg")
maybe this
>>65546352
I loved Unicorn Porn, but you're retarded. It is not in the slightest bit experimental, a couple odd time signatures and ambient outros don't make an album experimental.
For everyone else, it's still a solid prog metal release I recommend everyone check out.
We can adjust the definition of experimental and groundbreaking to the point where there is simultaneously no experimental/groundbreaking "band", since everything that's happened in music has been a consequence of whatever happened before, or every single band that does something that another band hasn't done before, even if that something is as inane as playing an electric guitar plugged into a bass amplifier, is groundbreaking and is experimental.
So what is the point of this thread? Is it a thinly veiled "look at my 'weird' music" thread?
fucks
>>65547123
it's actually a 'let me explain why you're wrong' thread
>>65547123
>Is it a thinly veiled "look at my 'weird' music" thread?
Yes.
Why do you think people are shitting on albums that have been cited as groundbreaking/influential throughout this whole thread?
>>65547123
I don't think you understand what experimental means.
>>65544796
how the fuck did spiderland not innovate but ITAOTS did? that's so stupid
>>65541896
>judging a band based on its fans
fucking most pleb thing
>>65547218
ITAOTS invented meme music
>>65547123
see
>>65547191
proof:
>>65547212
>>65547247
>proof:
>>>65547212 (You)
No I mean he literally doesn't understand what experimental music is, so anything he says is completely misguided.
>>65547197
>>65547123
yeah honestly. threads like these are where the contrarians come out in droves.
now can is shit and the beach boys are worse than the beatles
it just goes in cycles honestly
>>65547337
>beach boys are worse than the beatles
Literally no one said this. Calm your butt
>>65547337
>beach boys are worse than the beatles
>contrarian
lel
>>65537617
So they took elements from universally established styles of music and applied an permutation to their own album?
That ain't stealing and your opinion is bonkers.
>>65547356
>>65547397
like pottery
>>65547356
implied desu
>>65547397
on /mu/ it is. have you been here for more than a couple days?
>>65547471
>on /mu/ it is. have you been here for more than a couple days?
The irony is that there's been a recent shift over the last year. If you would have been here for more than a couple of days, you'd have seen it yourself.
>>65547510
i've been on here for years. i don't remember a time when the beatles were more praised or talked about than the beach boys
>>65533276
>>65537451
you're a moron
>>65547576
Wrong.
>>65547510
I think the ultimate irony is how we're wasting our lives talking about why or subjective tastes are superior to others' on music on a board where no one will even notice if we're gone.
>>65547634
good argument
>>65547656
It's equally as good as his
>>65547641
I'm not talking about subjective tastes. I'm telling you how you are factually incorrect.
>>65538294
Fucking black "ppl" lmao. What's your favorite gun to take a bullet to the face with?
That cover looks like The The
>>65547933
>getting this mad over such obvious b8
>>65538294
>an hero
Have you ever even gone to school?
>>65547188
I'd say their first album is more groundbreaking than this one. Y came out before this.
>>65540089
>>65544444
these went almost completely unchecked :(
what happen to my board </3
>>65547696
>I'm telling you how you are factually incorrect.
The only post I made in the thread was >>65547641
>>65546693
>Calling any music random
Kill urself my man
>>65541852
Nothing before it was like it and it inspired almost everything after it so definitely.
>>65544906
Great example yet nobody replies to it
>>65546916
Talk Talk did it first and did it better
>>65544796
>Thinks Strawberry Jam is even close to innovative
>Completely ignores Spiderland
>>65533217
This album definitely broke Newgrounds
>>65539872
the definition of experimental is doing something different This in turn may influence new genres/sounds, or not, just like this avant teen garbage while experimental doesn't guarantee it's lasting power in the artform. Experimental and influential are different buck-o
>>65547235
I'm basing them on their shitty music, and their fans, not just one or the other.
>>65547337
>>65533477
Kek... Dude! Fucking lmao! Give this man 420 internets!
>>65537617
Yeah but the whole package is what makes Tago Mago good, it's more cohesive and engaging. Just because somebody did something once before doesn't mean it should never be done again. And besides, introducing a sound to a more general audience also counts as breaking ground
>>65539872
>unironically using pretentious as a criticism.
Why does people liking music you don't like trigger you so much?
>>65548112
>being this new
Ragnarök
