Grimes vs. FKA twigs, who is superior?
It seems to me that white people rank Grimes, while nonwhites prefer FKA twigs. Why is this?
>>65500645
this one is actually cute
>>65500645
I'm a FUCKING WHITE MALE and I prefer twigs, both in music and ideology.
>>65500645
i'm a FUCKING AFRICAN-NATIVE-AMERICAN ASEXUAL TRANSGENDER ZEBRA-KIN pronouns are zb/zbb/zbs and I prefer grimes, both in music and ideology.
>>65500645
Same reason eminem is said to be the best rapper of all time yet gets no play in the hood where people primarily listen to rap.
Want to listen to a white rapper that goes in
https://m.soundcloud.com/ronniescholarship/suntrust-1
...um...
FKA twigs is obviously better than Grimes this shouldn't be a debate at all
>>65502094
the only good white rapper is Lil dicky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rnFlQAvk8U
i honestly prefer fka twigs
grimes is cool but her albums are not as consistent
>>65502217
>>65502118
>>65501365
>>65500645
I've always been drawn to Grimes' growth in artistic vision as her career has progressed. The fact that art angels was so incredibly varied is a good sign that we'll continue to see more experimentation within. FKA Twigs shows promise but hasn't put it into practice nearly as much yet.
>>65500645
grimes all the way. she actually produces her own stuff
fka is a great dancer though, i'll give her that
>>65502250
>grimes is cool but her albums are not as consistent
I find this to be a pro rather than a con simply because once an album is made, it's existence is forever. Why repeat the process with the same results when there's new areas to explore?
>>65500645
I love Twigs, and I think her music is more refined and sophisticated, not to mention she's very talented. But personally I like how organic Grimes is, and love her earlier albums which are very homemade and 'raw'. I think because Grimes is so imperfect, I prefer her. I'm only half white btw. Also I feel nearly all FKA Twigs songs are about sex.
>>65500645
I'm Asian, if it's relevant at all.
I don't really care for pre-Art Angels Grimes, but I really like Art Angels's unique take on pop music.
FKA twigs is good and all, but all her songs sound too similar for my liking.
>>65502397
Yeah, stick to engineering. Music isn't meant for you.
>>65502479
I'm not even studying engineering you twat
>>65502708
Medical? Business? I hope you aren't bringing shame to your family.
>>65502814
...Statistics. But shut up.
>>65501365
you're an autistic faggot (or at least some unfunny dude on a message board), and you like grimes. big surprise
>>65500645
because grimes is white enough and fka twigs is not
>>65500645
twigs. im white.
fka twigs
FKA Twigs
shes hot af too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4PQHpBhekE
>>65500645
fka twigs is cuter though
>>65502346
Not that guy, but the albums' inconsistency would be fine if she addressed the things she touched on with a little more passion and more attention to detail, instead of just jumping through millions of hoops to achieve one sound.
FKA Twigs manages to do the same thing repeatedly, but there's obviously improvement with her vocal performances and the soundscapes she crafts/works alongside. LP1 and Melissa are clearly discernible from their sister. EP2 and LP1 are also VERY different, but still very consistent in their sound.
You see what I'm saying right? Grimes should work on the sound she was shooting for with Visions, or at least try and continue working on making the sonic palette that was on Art Angels more fleshed out.
>>65502322
Twigs produces too
>>65502964
This. Twigs is more original, and better looking.
>>65503095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbVRpRgHso
>>65500645
Twig's music is harder to interpert for most audiences
Grimes has easy/catchy hooks, her music appeals well to most weebs and kids
If you took off all their stage make up/hair dos, Twigs is more bangable, she actually looks pretty but Grimes looks, at best, normal.
>>65501365
kek
hope fka twigs features on Hex EP
>>65500645
FKA twigs has a better album plus a great EP so her. All her songs are about sex but that never really detracts from it especially considering how basic grimes lyrics are too.
>>65504208
Yeah, I definitely don't see anything wrong with Twigs continuing to better her sound, especially if she really feels there's more ground to cover within that realm.
The best thing about her taking this perfectionist approach is definitely her constant output. There's barely any room between these releases meaning that although it isn't nearly as varied as Grimes, it's steadily improving at a rapid rate. My hope is that this is implying the exhaustion of the genre she's working on will hopefully be reached by the time she feels content before finally tackling on another genre.
So there's clearly reasons we should all be fans of both, i just gravitate more towards bursts of inspiration rather than perfected ideas
I like both. both had their moments. I don't see it as a contest
Twigs is cuter and a better artist. That was easy.
>>65500645
Twigs looks qt as fuck in this picture
grimes is qter has better style and is an actual artist that controls her vision Twigs is a product
i would ""bathe"" with fka twigs
>twigs
>have 50 producers
>have people who write songs for her and she just adds muthfucka
>can't play and instrument or a read notes
>her favorite industrial musician is johny cash
>looks too white for being black muslim
list goes on and on
I feel like they're progressingnin opposite directions. Twigs' releases have gotten more and more cohesive and are very focused on a consistent sound and aesthetic for the whole album. Grimes on the other hand is becoming more focused on singles, as is apparent with Art Angels and there were some early signs on visions. I personally prefer the direction Twigs is moving in but grimes still does a good job.
>all these people falling for the "lyrics matter" meme
At leatht twigth doethent have a lithp tho you can actually inderthtand her.
id fka her twigs if you know what i mean
i think fka is a commercialist noob
>>65500645
Grimes is so much better than Twigs. Twigs doesn't have good songs. Period.
fka twigs has a better face, but she's got a total man's body. google those beach shots, absolutely disgusting. grimes is ugly in her unconventional proportions/lanky features.
grimes actually writes and produces most of her own music, as far as i know, twigs is just another recording artist, so at least in terms of songwriting, grimes takes it.
>>65505061
I would hop in that tub dick first fampai
>>65502322
twigs has a way bigger hand in her production than you'd think
>>65502397
are you cute though? post a picture
The twigs desu but I don't really care for authenticity in music. If one person uses 3 ingredients to bake a cake vs a person that used 30- in the end all I care about is if the end product is enjoyable.
i`m another white who prefers Twigs
>>65500645
I like FKA twigs, but I preffer Grimes
>>65508403
The end product is much more enjoyable in the Grimes' case. She's way more diverse and exciting. Twigs is a one trick pony that makes sleepy music.
id fuck twigs over grimes any day, even though she's black
>>65500645
grimes is garbage for white kid indie rockers
twigs is actually amazing music
no comparison
>>65510023
You sound underage. Have you listened to Grimes' albums before her newest one?
>>65503095
yes
>>65507986
wow i bet you totally aren't white
don't you just love tame impala
kill yourself
>>65510107
It's not about the color of the skin, it's about music, retard. Grow up, mofo.
>>65510042
i don't know, I plugged in a MicroKorg and started mashing presets with my teeth. does that count?
I have a SP404 too if that helps.
>>65510145
Good luck with that, pleb. Announce me when you'll have 1/10000000 of Grimes' success.
it's funny how every pleb thinks he could do better than Grimes. Why didn't do it already?
>>65510203
>being this ESL
>>65510255
>weak comeback
I've never listened to Twigs, what's a good project to start with?
>>65510375
ep1
They're both around the same quality. People saying Grimes is better because she produces herself are retarded. The end product is the most important thing. I think a lot of autists here have put hundreds of hours into learning how to play a guitar or whatever and can't handle the fact that they're not cut out to be artists despite having the technical ability. As long as you're hands on in the sculpting of the album's sound and direction, then it's valid.
>>65502250
less talent too
>>65511718
>People saying Grimes is better because she produces herself are retarded.
They're not retarded. It means that Grimes is a much better artist.
>>65510139
That`s a yes.
GET HIM.
>>65511718
Yeah, it`s similar with filmmaking, Robert Rodriguez is so obsessed with DIY and producing the films himself nowadays, but in the end all of his films suffer from poor production values, lazy visual quality, and other shit he takes a ding for with his shitty methods. Sometimes DIY isn't always good.
Even Kubrick collaborated, despite the enigmatic reputation he's gotten over the years for his "perfectionism" he'd never compromise the integrity of the film just to have himself plastered as some sort of auteur.
The end product is all that matters
Sandnigger reporting in
Visions > M3LL155X > LP1 > Art Angels
Haven't listened to the rest.
this thread shows how rockist /mu/ really is
>>65513371
Visions > Art Angels > M3LL155X > LP1
Fixed version
I'm white and I prefer FKA twigs because her music is actually decent, she has some actual talent, and she's actually decent-looking.
>>65513383
THIS IS REAL MUSIC, NOT LIKE THAT RAP MUSIC NOWADAYS LIKE IF YOU'RE LISTENING IN 2012
>>65513390
>Art Angels
>good
>>65513437
>>65513437
Yes. Not only that it sounds great to me, but it got lots of positive reviews. Prove it that it's bad.
>>65513383
THIS IS REAL MUSIC, NOT LIKE THAT RAP MUSIC NOWADAYS LIKE IF YOU'RE LISTENING IN 2012
>>65513284
The filmmaker is the creative director. He recruits other creatives to do justice to his vision. This method is equally valid for music. There's nothing wrong with using producers because you recognise that you're not the person to do full justice to your creative vision.
Of course when I say all this I'm talking about serious artists outside the realm of top 40 popstars who simply apply a vocal to a pre packaged instrumental.
Creativity and ideas are the most integral thing for an artist. Technical skill is extremely peripheral.
>>65513629
Exactly, if you have a certain look or atmosphere you're going for in favor of your vision, it's best you do whatever you can to get that vision achieved. The director of Drive wanted to do an intense head smashing scene that'd be horrific, to further show how fucked up the main character really was.
He ended up consulting director Gasper Noe for how he technically pulled off the head-smashing scene in Irreversible, and he was happy to tell him. He didn't let his ego get in the way by trying to problem solve it himself, which could have ended up compromising his vision, he collaborated, and the scene benefitted.
There is nothing wrong with asking for a little creative help, and just because you're "hands-on" and your finger prints are all over mediocrity as opposed to other peoples finger prints all over a masterpiece, doesn't make the mediocrity more valid than the more poignant piece it could have ended up in
>>65513884
Wow I thoroughly agree with someone on /mu/ for once. In regards to Gaspar Noe, I think another example of what we're talking about is his relationship with his cinematographer Benoit Debie. Debie is an integral part in bringing Noe's world to life. He does amazingly. Producers are the cinematographers of music. Visuals are just swapped for sound. People really need to get over this image of the artist who does everything in music.
>>65500645
I'd say Grimes but Grimes only makes garbage now.
FKA Twigs just does nothing for me unless the song is extremely sexual like Lights On. Other than that her music just does not interest me.
>>65513884
Yeah it's like how beethoven and bach had to collab to create their timeless music
oh wait
inb4 one of you faggots say they had teachers, which isn't what I'm arguing
>>65514349
>but Grimes only makes garbage now.
How the fuck, when Art Angels was AOTY 2015?
>>65500645
Because whites are racist.
>>65514419
>classical
tips
this is the 21st century, nerd
>>65514450
Blacks are not? They don't hate the whites?
>>65514442
Art Angels was total trash
>>65514488
Explain this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Angels#Critical_reception
>>65514305
Yeah and Gaspar really seems to trust him as well, sometimes you gotta just let go of your insecurity, with I Stand Alone, that's something that he talked about, trying not to over concern himself with colors and lighting, focusing more on framing and how he'll edit on cut from one shot to the next. Sort of just placing some trust in your DOP, but of course you gotta find the right person for that, and that isn't always easy.
Once he found Benoit Debie for Irreversible and beyond, he seemed to really end up placing his trust in him, because after Irreversible, it seemed they both were speaking the same language.
And I completely agree with the DOP and producer being a very similar heart beat of different territories, placing your creative vision and trust in them, but as you aren't going to have creative chemistry with all producers, you're not going to have chemistry with all DOPs. Gotta just find the right person for you, like any relationship
>>65514460
No I was just decimating your argument because film making and writing good songs are two completely different things. Film making, it's almost required that you have a team of people.
here's a contemporary artist that I'm sure you'll deflect because you have no argument. Trent Reznor.
>>65514419
Things have advanced, methods and technology has come far. Filmmakers back in the late 1800s and early 1900s were all merely technicians, just photophers and cinematographers, like the one who filmed a train coming towards the frame, some people in the theater ran out, fearing it'd collide with the theater.
But with the innovations of editing, sound design, make up, visual effects, etc. It's becoming a larger job, and the director has taken on a larger role. Audiences aren't as easily fooled by a train coming towards the theater, now you gotta turn that language into something more sophisticated.
Music has also advanced heavily, it's much more mature than filmmaking as an artform, and the things that divide sounds and atmospheres have become much more defined than the ages of Bach and Beethoven.
>>65514688
and you still don't need a team of people to make good music or "realize your vision"
>>65514833
If it's beyond your technical skill to achieve your vision, yes you do.
>>65515172
nothing is "beyond your technical skill". It's called hard work.
>>65515816
So if Grimes started making black metal/hip hop music tomorrow, she'd make something incredible with hard work?
If something is outside of your skillset but it's apart of your vision, wouldn't it make sense to get someone with the right skillset?
>>65500645
blacks literally don't listen to anything other than jazz or rap. the majority of music fans are white
>>65515816
>he fell for the hard work meme
Some people are naturally better at certain things than others and no amount of practice will change that
>>65500645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldXrnwE9Gok
what you think?
>>65515960
The point is everyone has potential to be great at something, and something they love. You have to just figure out what you really desire and want to do while you exist, which many people don't even figure out let alone pursue.
>>65506008
what??
Grimes is superior in every way and should be worshiped
>>65502232
Best whit rapper is Ronni Scholarship,
soundcloud.com/ronniescholarship
>>65501365
unfunny overplayed joke
>>65504429
true
I think that Twigs has way more quality control and a much more interesting sound. her msic is more experimental in my opinion and draws more from hip-hop's darker and more contemporary sounds.
>>65508242
please stop this meme fka twigs produces the vast majority of her own music
>>65513545
Why do you like it? It's like some 90s pop music remixed
FKA is just a pretty face and voice
Grimes is that + she writes and produces music
>>65518945
where do you get the idea that twigs doesn't write and produce
>>65518836
I love 90s pop remixes for one
>>65518966
her wikipedia page
>>65518990
I'm guessing you didn't care for Grimes before this album, Art Angels was the first album of hers you listened to?
>>65500645
I'm a fucking white male but out of those two I only like FKA Twigs, I can't stand Grimes though I like the song "Scream!" but not much else.
Grimes by lightyears, FKA peaked with Papi Pacify, How's That and Ache.
I'm white and I prefer Grimes because she's better and Twiggy is overrated
>>65518836
You didn't listen to it properly. There's no reason to hate AA because it's in a genre you don't get.
>It's like some 90s pop music remixed
Really? Give me an example of similar music.
FKA by far
I like some stuff by Grimes, but Twigs is actually skilled and makes good music all around
Bjork still better than both btw
>>65519323
What a strange response. There's no need to be so hostile. How do I listen to it properly? I want to love it, because I've actually loved Grimes for years, this album sort of took me off guard.
>>65519365
You're talking to /mu/'s resident Grimes stalker mate, ignore him.
>>65519349
>Bjork still better than both btw
obviously
OP prolly made it between FKA and Grimes because they're viewed with similar levels of status and respect
>>65519365
Sorry if my reply seemed hostile.
>>65519439
How do I listen to it properly? Serious.
>>65519410
Speak for yourself stalker.
>>65500645
>Implying Grimes can compete with FKA twigs
summer sure is here
>>65502814
>le family guy racism jokez
wew
>>65503095
>that
>hot
>ever
Grimes is worse by a mile though
>>65502232
>>65518050
The best white rapper is an albino muslim from wisconson
it depends what where talking about Grimes is a lot more talented and multifaceted but twigs is probably the better performer
>>65500645
STD Twink is all style and no substance.
Grimes is superior.
if grimes is not your waifu what is wrong with you
FKA twigs is pretty alright, never knowingly heard a Grimes song in my life and I get on my big knees every night to pray it stays like that
>>65514450
>n sheeeiiitt
>>65521091
I'm not pathetic.
>>65514472
but anon, racism is prejudice + power. only whites can be racist :^)
>>65500645
Because you're an idiot.
Because white people are the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiyLtMPuWRA
>>65520739
>STD twink
Fuck I love how you felt so clever saying that.
>>65500645
grimes
>>65502232
He's not even the best Jewish rapper
The guy from clouddead is better
>>65520739
>STD Twink
Jesus, even my shitty trip name is better than that.
>this thread is still up
>>65500645
Grimes, of course! Who could live without her, I ask in all honesty. What would life be without a Claire and a Grimes what are we? So I say thank you for the Boucher, for giving her to me.
It's very obviously FKA twigs. Not even a contest. There's nothing to think about, really.
FKA is not black.
Not only is Twigs's music better
she gets racist hate on social media all day from insane Twilight fans but doesn't constantly post retarded essays calling people evil oppressors
meanwhile Grimes flips out when people point out shes not that well educated about music and acts like they've violated her
>>65500645
FUCKING WHITE MALE here. I prefer Twigs.
>>65502391
they're about sex but from what I've noticed each song is about sex in a different type of relationship
>>65524099
It's obvious you were just being silly. He sincerely thought he was being fucking zingy. It was like Sweet Dee trying to insult someone.
Twigs is sexier, anyway.
t. White male
^
>>65526261
What about this? Is this too much?
>>65526696
That's even more amusing, I say keep it.
>>65526713
cool, keeping it.
I'm white and I think FKA Twigs is tons better than Grimeth
>>65508403
kek, love that picture.
>>65514688
film making is totally different, the methods used from lighting, editing, producing and directing are all in different technical realms. it's much different than writing music for a variety of instruments.
>>65526739
i thought it was better as twigs
>>65527238
You literal fucking coward
>>65527329
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