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What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
What jazz album made it click for you?
What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I think jazz is the music I can get the most entertainment out of through repeated active listening
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Mingus Ah Um
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
Andrew Hill- Point of Departure: It's the best mix of intelligent composition and structure with uninhibited improvisation. The best mix of old and new.
Pro-tip. Threads about jazz don't get replies unless you start them with some sort of obvious b8. If you want to discuss jazz on /mu/ the best place to do it is in the weekly blindfold threads.
>>65424399
lol I tried to tell you
I like jazz that either catchy as fuck (Sonny Rollins, Max Roach, Charlie Parker, Lee Morgan, the list goes on...) or 100% batshit insane (European free jazz)
>>65421477
nobody on /mu/ likes jazz because only jazz musicians like jazz and nobody on /mu/ makes music
>>65421968
>Mingus Ah Um
my nigga
>inb4 jazz is all modern music post
Jazz is appealing cause of the energy it brings me. The way it gives things mood and character. I was walking down the street of a small town at night listening to Miles Davis' In A Silent Way and it really felt like I was transported back in time, almost like I was in a different world. The streets were empty and sinister and dark and scary yet characterized by their own personal quirks and colored by the music. It's wonderful how music changes your perception of the world, and to me jazz does it in a way that keeps me grounded.
Right now, my favorite jazz song is Ainokawa by Sleepwalker, because of the intense energy it has. Miles Davis' Silent Way turns me into a sort of menace of the streets, but Ainokawa turns me into a jumpy madman, like Dean Moriarty.
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I find albums are different each time I listen and I'll find new things depending on my frame of mind
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Ellington at Newport
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
It is very hard to say because I like a lot of jazz, but when it comes down to it I still love Ellington at Newport. The raw emotion and energy that's captured in those recordings is unmatched.
Yesterday and today I have been downloading and tagging a ton of jazz and have the urge to only listen to jazz
I started with the essentials artists and releases, as I have not explored the genre at all previously
But I am really digging Miles Davis
Can't wait to really get into this genre!
My only question is, what do people who have heard a lot of jazz think of the "entry level" artists like John Coltrane and Miles Davis, as they are still two highly talent musicians? To me I think it would be pretty contrarian to dismiss them
Tried to listen to jazz off and on for a while, but I didn't feel like it did anything for me. This is one of several albums that helped bring me around. I would recommend it to anyone trying to get into the genre.
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
The solos always keep jazz records fresh, even if you have already listened to it, also if there's one thing I love about music interplay, and the second one is 'feelings'. Jazz got it both.
>What jazz album made it click for you?
After several listenings and active listening, I gotta tell you it is Herbie Hancock's Maiden Voyage, hence my absolute favourite jazz release.
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
I answered it above, but I'll cheat and post a second one.
Andrew Hill - Judgment!
Compositions are extremely dynamics, it adds a subtlue impression cuz Bobby's vibraphones are awesome, solos are tight, Elvin jones is a god. Ya, pretty much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IqaFifJeI
>>65425444
Truly a slice of heaven
>>65421477
>"Jazz serves a cultural function in the music scene. It is a signifier for musical 'adulthood'. To embrace jazz is to don a kind of graduation cap, signifying a broadening of tastes outside 'mere' rock music. This ostentatious display of 'sophistication' is an insult, and I find the graduation cappers transparent and tedious. Certainly there must be interesting music one could call 'jazz'. There must be. I've never heard it, but I grant that it is out there somewhere. Jazz has a non-musical parallel: Christiania, the 'free' zone in Copenhagen. In Christiania, like in jazz, there is no law. People are left to their own inventions to create and act as they see fit. In Jazz, the musicians are allowed to improvise over and beside structural elements that may themselves be extemporaneous. Sounds good, doesn't it? Freedom — sounds good. The reality is much bleaker. Christiania is a squalid, trashy string of alleys with rag-and-bone men selling drugs, tie-dye and wretched food. Granted Total Freedom, and this is what they've chosen to do with it, sell hash and lentil soup? Jazz is similar. The results are so far beneath the conception that there is no English word for the disappointment one feels when forced to confront it. Granted Total Freedom, you've chosen to play II V I and blow a goddamn trill on the saxophone? Only by willfully ignoring its failings can one pretend to appreciate it as an idiom and don the cap."
OP your pic is what got me into jazz, after listening to "IDM" and prog for years and realizing they borrow heavily from jazz
>>65426588
Is that Steve Albino?
post some cool guitar
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
All the layers you can find in most Jazz albums and how single songs can progress in a way most other genres can't.
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Blues and Roots - Charles Mingus.
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
Cumbia and Jazz Fusion - Charles Mingus, I don't know, I juse feel that from start to finish I'm interested every time I listen to it.
>>65426959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp_H9FYZy4E
>>65421477
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
Yusuf Lateef - Eastern Sounds
It makes me feel really calm when I listen to it. I tend to like jazz albums that I personally can sit back and relax to more than the faster paced more intense ones I see posted a lot.
>>65426959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeMr4SQtWGo
>>65426959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeGrOo6JDk
I like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYwkNMdOwu0
who /vocal jazz/ here?
>>65427595
funny, i ended up listening to jazz becouse i hate vocals as a whole
>>65427699
vocal jazz imo is under appreciated desu. most people who "like it" are like even worse than most /mu/tants w/ instrumental jazz, frank sinatra, ella fitzgerald, i could go on
anyway i like both but it's something i have an interest in that i rarely ever get to talk about with anyone
>>65427699
Are you at least into scat?
>>65427822
I've never paid attention to it because I don't care much for vocals, post some interesting stuff to check it out pls
>>65426959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tonexlw6tOo
>>65427595
Billie Holiday is probably the greatest female singer to have ever lived.
>>65427862
what the fuck dude
>>65428050
dude pls
>>65428050
Scatting. Improvised nonverbal vocalizations like in the below. Yeah, I said it the other way on purpose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3fGrQYHHBI
>>65421477
I wish my dick was that french horn hes blowing
>>65428050
t. Pleb
>>65428248
delete this
>>65428248
>Miles Davis
>french horn
So vulgar. Oh yeah, and the dick joke.
What are some jazz guitar essentials?
>>65429285
to be honest my "opinion" is that it's "essential" you don't listen to jazz guitar
best piano trios in your opinion?
>>65429285
I don't listen to much but Wes Montgomery is good.
The Epic by Kamasi Washington
>>65424622
>only jazz musicians like jazz
and hipsters
If you want guitar music try George benson
is this the single most entry level jazz album ever? I feel like absolutely anyone of any music background can enjoy this.
>>65425629
>My only question is, what do people who have heard a lot of jazz think of the "entry level" artists like John Coltrane and Miles Davis, as they are still two highly talent musicians?
Most people would agree that those musicians are great. Especially Miles Davis was so influential, it's pretty much impossible to deny that he was one of the greatest jazz players ever.
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I'm a theory autist and I love jazz theory. Also, it's some of the most expressive music every
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Charles Mingus - Changes Part 1
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
Herbie Hancock - Sextant
It's the perfect fusion record.
What are some great guitar-only jazz records?
>>65429285
Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery, Grant Green, Kenny Burrell, Joe Pass, George Benson, Pat Metheny, Ralph Towner, Terje Rypdal
>>65430311
Despite being quite an avid jazz listener, I still really enjoy Brubeck.
It has such a relaxing feel to it.
Sometimes I feel like not everything I listen to has to be crazy progressive and free. Sometimes things can just be nice. Like strange meadow lark on this album. The piano into is beautiful and when Desmond's sax hits, it's a great moment.
>>65430603
I mean yeah, the A side is great, there isn't any way to debate that, but the B side is so mediocre that it almost ruins the album. Like it's not bad, I enjoy it fine, but it's like 6/10. Feels like Brubeck was a one side of a one hit wonder, but then again I'm just going by rym ratings and listening to this one album. Is anything else of his worth my time?
I've only really heard a handful of jazz.
>Bitches brew
>Tutu
>Head hunters
>Black saint and the sinner lady
>Space is the place
>Karma
>Shape of jazz to come
>Heavy weather
I've liked everything I've heard so far, stand outs are bitches brew, head hunters and black saint for me atleast
Is it worth just going through discographies for now or should I scatter my listening through various artists?
>>65427254
That was lit senpai
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I use it as a tool to look smarter than other people
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Jazz in Silhouette
>What is your absolutely favourite jazz release and why?
Recently I've been recently listening to Hopasa by High Definition Quartet. It has a lot of references to past jazz and Penderecki
>>65430730
He was a great song writer really.
Themes for eurasia isn't half bad.
My favourite of his tunes is In Her Own Sweet Way. Bill Evans and Miles Davis rated it as well and played some good versions.
Guys, show me notable modern (post 70s) pianists, or at least modern jazz albums with tight piano play.
>>65425831
Definitely. This isn't a straight ahead jazz, but more of a mix of funk, jazz and fusion and people new to this music can really enjoy it.
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
The ability to deliver music in a manner I can relate emotionally
>What jazz album made it click for you?
John Coletrane - A Love Supreme Part II: Resolution
>What is your absolute favorite jazz release and why?
Art Blakey and the Jazz messengers- Moanin
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I enjoy good music.
>What jazz album made it click for you?
The discography of Joe Pass along with some works of Ella Fitzgerald' s where I began.
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
I don't categorize shit or put numbers to them. 'Round About Midnight come to mind.
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Chet Bakers stuff i suppose
>>65429285
>>>65426959
Ted Greene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_J8IS89sCk&list=PL8PGbkcO7jA5DcAFFebnghn_UoXPIAYAH
Joe Pass - Virtuoso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxwWC0uc_Vg&list=PL2525BBF560EAB61D&index=6
Wes Montgomery - Stompin' at the Savoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohIAAV1vVOI
>>65430949
My favourite modern pianist is probably Fred Hirsch. I think he's taking Jazz piano in a pretty unexplored direction, or at least taking this whole contrapuntal style to a degree I've not heard before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2v2_TiBijE
Brad Mehldau is of course amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn6gjoMUEY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbBk33qfG6o
But I think Robert Glasper follows Hirsch for me, I actually don't think Glasper is a great soloist but he has an incredible feel and his RnB focussed stuff is amazing too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiVMAqqEIFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-VY-zs2eiY (also some amazing brush work on this, which is always some to point out)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz90BOQHOHg
Vijay Iyer is also an incredible composer and pianist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLxVisyR0o4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEVJRdo-eHc
Gerald Clayton is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeb0cwjE8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrAgUzaVsU
For cool uses of piano in a big band setting, check out Darcy James Argue's Brooklyn Babylon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWqllG3Tkk
>>65426959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-a07KpEa9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THFJw0-0Y_Q
Can someone recommend good jazz fusion albums?
>>65433628
Do you like Al Di Meola?
>>65433642
I'm a guitar player myself, but never really listened to Al Di Meola much. Recommendations?
What am I looking for if I want something similar to Kind of Blue? Cool Jazz? Modal Jazz? Which records? Ive listened to probably 20~ jazz albums in my life, yet I still struggle finding something "exactly" like this.
For reference my favorite jazz tracks are Coltrane's rendition of I'm Old Fashioned and Blue in Green... I really want more of that.
>>65434173
look at stuff by those same guys in the same era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Lc7OgIngE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3k-5hryb8
I guess it depends on what part of Kind of Blue you like, since I think the Evans tracks are significantly different. Like if you really dig blue in green you might like this tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ZlEY4UJUY etc
>>65434875
These are all good! I'm gonna download them. Not too sure how I feel about the piano emphasis that isolated track gets after the midpart though
>>65435072
To be honest I'm not a huge fan of Horace Silver as a improviser. He's fantastic, of course, but yeah.
Also, here's a bunch of modern stuff that is definitely not the same, but similar
(Pretty similar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlpgFuhpgmk
(Very different, but kind of similar vibe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd6dHISEA8I
Something more chill by Ambrose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLK8x_2s_E
(what I feel is a very modern extension of what Evans was doing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THFJw0-0Y_Q
also totally unrelated but just throwing it out there because I came across it and the first time I listened to it I cried: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YeFBXU0P6I Wendel's whole 2015 project was amazing honestly.
>>65430949
In no particular order:
Orrin Evans- I love his playing for how imaginative it is. No matter what project he is a part of he finds some way to move the whole band in an interesting direction. He plays with a lot of humor (something a lot of other modern pianists seem to lack) and his playing always seems to challenge the rest of the group (in a good way).
Craig Taborn- I think what I really like about Taborn's playing is how he uses color. He obviously draws influence from people like Cecil Taylor and Andrew Hill, but nobody else voices their chords quite like Taborn. I think he brings a unique and recognizable sound to whatever group he plays with.
Dave Kikoski- Dave's an incredible soloist and plays with ridiculous technique that draws on all of jazz piano history but he's really special for his skill as an accompanist. When he's comping behind a solo he's always so actively involved in what they're playing and he always pushes the solo to a new level.
Fred Hersch- He's another master who brings a lot of history to his playing. I think he's probably the top of the game when it comes to playing solo piano. He knows how to use the piano to really "orchestrate" the music and I think that also really shines through when he plays with ensembles. He's got unbelievable technique but he also knows how to use restraint and let simplicity come first.
Luis Perdomo- He's Venezuelan and grew up playing Latin music and classical, but he's also incredible at straight-ahead jazz. What really impresses me about him is his precision and infallible sense of time, even while playing very complicated poly-rhythmic stuff. He can also play a beautiful ballad.
Honorary mentions to: David Virelles, John Escreet, and George Colligan.
>>65429285
DJANGO REINDHART, grant green, wes montgomery, and a personal favorite of mine is Emily Remler, she was a jazz guitarist during the 70s and 80s and she did some dope as hell jams
Rec me some 1920s Jazz lads, all I have found that isn't shitty dixieland so far is:
Duke Ellington and His Kentucky Club Orchestra - East St. Louis Toodle-O / Birmingham Breakdown
Louis Armstrong and His Hot Five - Heebie Jeebies / Muskrat Ramble
>>65427595
>/vocal jazz/
>no Chet Baker
can you guys recommend some albums like my favorite things
>>65433628
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Chick Corea - Return to Forever
Bitches Brew
Soft Machine - Third
Ornette Coleman - Science Fiction
Your jazz pet peeves GO!!
>Jazz artist has an interest in Hindu religion or Eastern culture
>Jazz artist is known for their free improv
>Jazz artist is known for having drug problems
>Jazz artist is known for having an eccentric personality
>Jazz artist died young but has a steady following long after their death
>>65436956
thats like half of them
what does /mu/ think of Dave Brubeck?
New Fire! Orchestra this year.
I think it sounds pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTVA16kM7rs
>>65436956
>Jazz artist died young but has a steady following long after their death
what on earth is wrong with this
Just got a trumpet, would love anything that features it cause I'd like some inspiration. recc me stuff pls
>>65436994
miles davis
>>65421477
>What is the personal appeal of jazz music to you?
I have an ear for less consonant music, and the flexibility that jazz affords, and the creativity of the people that pursue it often affords brilliant and beautiful ideas. I also enjoy the fact that it still pushes boundaries in a musical sense, for creativity, for what is "normal", and so on.
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Burton, Metheny, Corea, Haynes, Holland's "Like Minds", in combination with anything by Allan Holdsworth, and Aaron Goldberg. Ari Hoenig and Eric Harland and their various projects were also very influential in my taking to jazz, both as a listener and a musician.
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
This one I can't answer! I respect a lot of different releases for a lot of different reasons. There are usually only a couple of aspects that I end up revering an album/track for ie., rhythmic experimentation, harmonic interest, brilliant form and the like.
>>65436992
>OH NO THEY DIED SO YOUNG IMAGINE IF THEY JUST LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO BLAH BLAH
Its such a rockist thing to do. Don't do it
>>65436956
My biggest is DEFINITELY:
>white high school jazz band member is a Puritan and wants every jazz performer to be a Marsalis
>>65437007
I've enjoyed kind of blue and bitches brew, what should I check out next?
>>65437040
don't be a pretentious moron. any non-musical reasons to dislike music are stupid.
>>65436956
I think it's mandatory in a way for a dedicated jazz player to have an eccentric personality. A lot of Jazz artists do tend to have interests in Eastern Culture or Scientology like Chick Corea...
>>65437048
His Cyndi Lauper covers and live collaborations with Kenny G
>>65437069
Whatever you say..............rockist
>>65437048
>bitches brew
The other records from Miles electric period, mostly In A Silent Way, Jack Johnson (my personal favourite, the guitar in the first song is dirty and rocknroll) and Live-Evil.
>kind of blue
This is harder in my opinion, you could check Milestones, it has the same ensemble (at least the soloists), it was the first incursion in modal jazz by Miles (the main theme is modal jazz), however is more hardbop, I like the performances of Adderley and Coltrane better than in KoB since they're more in their "natural habitat", but other than the main theme is not very similar.
If you want that kind of cool feel, perhaps you could try Bill Evans, one of the compositions of the album, Blue in Green is originally his, you can hear it in a piano trio setting in Portrait in Jazz, although it's not a modal jazz album.
>>65427595
Worst kind t b h.
The only way jazz threads get any replies and don't die out after a couple of hours is through pointless arguments and flame wars... Good job...
>>65437040
holy shit youre a fucking idiot
>>65437149
he's clearly trolling.
Actualy jazz pet peeve: modern artists who rarely record standards
>>65437145
jazz doesn't even need to be in that sentence.
>>65437130
>>65437074
Appreciate it guys.
>tfw hate trumpets
Is there a way to listen to http://www.jazzradio.com/ without having to install flash? Would it be possible to set it up using VLC?
>>65437177
do you like trombones
>>65429285
Ornette Coleman - Body Meta / Dancing in your Head
Charlie Ellerbee and Bern Nix are gods
>>65437176
Sadly, it's true... Every thread that isn't (k)pop gets derailed by the aforementioned behavior.
>>65429285
Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman, Terje Rypdal - Bleak House and Barney Kessel - Autumn Leaves are some of my most recent favourites.
>>65421477
>What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I'm not really sure. I like how focused on the performers it is as a genre and how strongly you can feel the personality of players but it's such a diverse musical tradition that I don't think I could come up with many other strong qualities that appeal strongly to me which stretch over the whole genre.
>What jazz album made it click for you?
I didn't really have that moment that a lot of people who came to jazz later in life often talk about. My first proper jazz album was a Duke Ellington comp that I got when I was like 14. I loved his music when I first heard it and I still do.
>What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
A Love Supreme. It made me more open minded about religion and I've a lot more time for the idea that there could be a God and that it's worth my time to try and find faith.
Anyone got any 2016 jazz recs btw? Pic related is pretty cool but it's the only thing I've heard this year.
I'm about to pick up The Penguin Guide To Jazz from my library, am I a pleb?
>>65437406
If you are it has nothing to do with the book. It's a pretty respectable resource for good music.
>>65437406
Just by listening to jazz you're already better than 98% of the population, don't worry senpai.
>>65437438
how much better are we talking?
>>65430793
You really can't go wrong with Miles' and Mingus' stuff, however I do recommend listening to jazz from all periods/genres. It might be that a style that isn't what /mu/ considers "patrician" is what clicks for you; I'm big into ECM style and Bossa Nova. Just explore, the jazz world is infinite.
>>65437554
As someone who doesn't really travel in circles where people know a lot about jazz, I am always delighted to find someone with even a passing interest.
>>65429611
>Memethony Memetano
>>65437583
I just realised that's the shit chart I have saved, this is a better one.
>>65437639
The companion is great too and makes up for the lack of Monk on the first chart.
>>65437639
I RECOMMEND LE SMOKING WEED LOL
this chart is terrible just fucking listen to the music you fucking faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWmz5-NoFzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BGlXp4Qns
>>65438733
It's actually a decent chart.
>>65437043
Fuck Marsalis
>>65429400
any paul bley trio, early keith jarrett trios w/ charlie and paul, ahmad jamal trio, bill evans of course, not a huge fan but oscar peterson, masabumi kikuchi, sonny clarke trio, red garland trio, etc. but the paul bley trios (peacock/motian, swallow/giuffre, swallow alshaw, peacock/ellgert,) are fucking insane.
What do you guys think of the Monsters Inc theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WRKbu5j0O0
>>65425629
anyone who loves jazz wouldnt dissmiss them, im not a fan of certain parts of miles career but holy shit they were geniuses on the level of bach and stravinksy
>>65436974
fuck time out but live at oberlin is fucking killin
>>65430949
richie fucking byrack but good luck finding his record snow leppord, if u find it then it will ruin ur life m8
>>65425629
"entry level" music only exists on /mu/
>>65439120
seconded desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04sTFfq-4ds
>>65438733
That part about weed ruined the whole chart... I don't what the author was trying to get across.
>>65439120
yes I have really begun to realize how stupid that whole concept is, and am glad that I can now move away from that whole concept of thinking
has anyone on here listened to this? cause if u havent please please do yourself the favor.
What is the person appeal of jazz music to you?
I think it's mostly because of the interesting compositions, improv, and the pure musicianship of the genre
What jazz album made it click for you?
John Coltrane - Giant Steps and Herbie Hancock - Thrust
What is your absolute favourite jazz release and why?
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
The way I interpret the album's meaning is John's love for God and God's love for John. Even though I'm not very religious it really spoke to me in the ways you can express yourself through music as a medium. Plus I can go back to it and never get tired of it.
>>65437692
Here's another chart.
>>65439883
sorry but that chart is notorious gahbage
>>65440256
And the design is... I don't even know how to describe it...
>>65440256
What's so bad about it?
>>65440399
I'm not him, but starting with Blue Train seems odd to me, KoB is generally agreed to be a better entry point.
And on that theme, KoB is nowhere to be found in the Modal jazz section and is singlehandedly the most influential album of that whole genre.
And you go to Bebop and you don't have neither Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie or Max Roach, yet you have Miles Davis (whose bebop phase was pretty average at best) and Thelonious Monk (who is interesting because he has a very peculiar style of playing and composing, not being a good example of bebop).
I guess it tries way too hard to be contrarian? I haven't seen the rest.
>>65421477
The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady (holy fuck)
Breakfast Dance and Barbecue
Frank Sinatra Live at the Sands
Coleman Hawkins Meets Ben Webster
Jazz at the Santa Monica Civic 72
Everyman Band is also really fucking good, it was Lou Reed's band during 75-1980, his best band and best period:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQnxdpqxzE
They were on his Take No Prisoners album (also Lou's best album).
>>65440534
Also missing Clifford Brown on bebop, and he's probably the second most influential trumpet player of the genre only behind Dizzy Gillespie.
>>65440534
It's actually a chart for the Blue Note label.
>>65440788
Welp didn't see that, it certainly makes more sense now.
>>65428046
This.
>>65431039
Right, but it was just right for someone like me trying to get into jazz from a heavy rock and blues focus. From there, I could jump off into heavier jazz territory.
Hey guys, I made a chart for getting into jazz.
It's based on the category of music you most identify with, in order to mold what is familiar/appealing around the beauty of jazz
Let me know what you think!
>>65433008
>>65435607
>>65439103
Guys, you're the best. Thanks for taking your time and replying me. I'll definitely check those piano recs.
>>65443004
>>65442207
Well this is pretty comforting, knowing my first album in the Blues section is Headhunters :)
Hopefully this chart is helpful to people!
>>65443004
Other than a few choices here and there it seems pretty general.
I'd say it looks good.
>>65443577
Thanks! The idea is to just give listeners a jumping-off point. I wasn't satisfied with all the other charts that circulate here because someone with no bearing on jazz doesn't know if they want "post-bop" or "modal jazz" or "fusion" because these terms are meaningless to a novice.
>>65443004
Great chart, well done. Maybe add some more fusion? For example In a Silent Way for people who like ambient?
Also, this is some neat fusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltl474Qjun0
>>65443004
Very good. A great selection.
>>65443523
Awesome, I'll take that as good reason to explore the other picks in that category.
>>65444141
>>65443004
Also, you might want to swap In the Wee Small Hours with Live at the Sands, which is vastly superior and fantastic as well. Only making many suggestions because this is a great chart. Might also want to add Ascension to Avantgarde / noise / Free improv
I am in a jazz class at my high school and I constantly kept playing jazz tunes and improvising over them, learning music theory and every year they bring in professional jazz musicians to help us out, and my favorite piece of music is Arturo Sandoval's Night in Tunisia, because Wally Minko, the man who arranged it, arranges all of our schools music. I enjoy jazz rock, jazz pop fusion, latin, and 40s big band swing
>>65444141
>>65444239
>>65444282
Thanks so much for the kind words, guys.
>Maybe add some more fusion
There's already a good chunk of fusion, and I find a lot of it to not be a good entry point into jazz. Also, I already have a couple Davis picks so I want to spread out a little bit.
>>65444319
>Ascension to Avantgarde / noise / Free improv
I considered this for a while, but I figured it was better to be more diverse than have a bunch of Coltrane albums. Plus, he's one of the most well known jazz artists so I figure that's a logical progression once you feel like exploring the genre.
Maybe I'll make an expanded edition one day, as there are plenty of fantastic albums that didn't make the cut. I originally was going to do 5 per category but it was too hard to narrow down :)
>>65444461
A Night in Tunisia is my favourite standard too.
The drum solo from Art Blakey in his version with the Jazz Messengers is my favourite.
I need some albums that feature a vibraphone/marimba.
Some of my favorites so far are:
Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue
Andrew Hill - Judgment!
Grachan Moncur III - Evolution
Jackie McLean - Destination... Out!
Dave Holland Quintet - Extended Play: Live at Birdland and Prime Directive
And I also love this performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvG8B39_Alc
>>65445139
You need Walt Dickerson - To The Queen in your life.
(also I'm assuming you've heard Out To Lunch, eh?)
>>65445357
o fuk its "To My Queen"
I fucked it up on the chart too :-;
>>65445357
>>65445442
I need to listen to Out to Lunch a few more times. And I'll check out To My Queen. Thank you!
>>65426588
>2016
>being this butthurt about music
wew lad
>>65436994
Also if anyone here plays, am I fine using valve oil on the tuning slides, or do I need to get slide grease?
How do I into playing jazz music and writing jazz?
>>65445139
definitely check out Gary Burton and Stefon Harris, they're my favourites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lP2rz-bbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p99xxR_2FdY
>>65445910
To write jazz you should first be able to play it, so I'd hold off on trying to write straight up jazz for a long while (maybe stick to taking elements from jazz into other musical styles you're already comfortable with).
Learning to play basically comes down to finding things you like and learning how to do them. You should really be developing your ears and learning to play standards by ear. What instrument do you play? I can give more pointers that way.
>>65437289
>A Love Supreme. It made me more open minded about religion and I've a lot more time for the idea that there could be a God and that it's worth my time to try and find faith.
How the hell did you get all that off of an instrumental record?
>>65446011
I can only play the guitar but I need tablature for that, I can't play with sheet music. I'm looking to get into piano and sax.
>>65446023
You haven't read the liner notes, have you buddy
>>65446186
no wtf, i get all my music digitally.
>>65446038
Well wanting to get into a different instrument is another story, and you'd have to learn to play those things first before learning how to play jazz on them.
As for notation, it's not required but I'd definitely recommend learning. There are a TONNE of resources online for that.
At a beginner level you can break down your job as a jazz guitarist down into three parts: comping and soloing and playing the melody. Comping is playing the chord changes and accompanying the soloist or melody line, and soloing and melody playing.
I'm a piano player so I'm not sure how guitarists tend to go about learning voicings, but I did a quick google search and there seems to be some good stuff:
http://mattwarnockguitar.com/jazz-guitar-chords
This guy explains the concept of "jazz chords" well as well. Voicings are important parts of your vocabulary that you should always be adding to, by listening and figuring out what other people are playing, or experimentation. Voicings are probably the least important part of comping though, rhythm and feel is the most important. And for that, you just have to listen to great jazz guitarists and copy how they accentuate their chords, where they place them, etc. Always be listening to the interplay between the chords and the melody/soloist
>>65446186
also, what the fuck does that have to do with the musical content of the record?
What are everyone's thoughts on Thelonius Monk?
>>65445910
>playing jazz music
Practice chords and scales, exctract licks from your favourite players and transpose them to all modes.
Learn a ton of II V I licks too.
>writing jazz
Ehh it depends on the style, as a rule of thumb you can take any popular song and just slap a II V I on top of every chord and that's pretty much every bebop song ever.
>>65446038
Reading music isn't particularly useful for jazz (although I recommend it regardless), however, you should at least be fluid in reading chord progressions.
You should also (in the case of piano, guitar or any poplyphonic instrument) have a big repertoire of voicings for altered chords (stuff like X-7b9 for example) since they're very popular on jazz and having good comp skills are more important than being a good improviser (and anyway, comping skills are also useful for chordal improvisation).
If you decide to play a sax you don't need to bother with chords.
If you decide to play piano, you'll need to learn all that, and unlike the rest, you'll need to learn how to play two things at once to make good solos, that's the greatest asset of the piano over any other instrument.
>>65446038
>>65446206
As for playing the melody/soloing. The ONLY real way to learn how to do this is learning by ear. Find simple tunes that you like and learn how to play the melody by ear. If you've never done this before, it's really tough. I'd start with a tune like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3oCW8eOykg
You can first learn how to sing a long with the melody, and then go slowly and find the notes on your guitar. Then once you know all the notes, start to try and copy the articulation and rhythm of the performer exactly. Then give it a shot on someone else's rendition. And of course, you can find notation to all these tunes, so why learn them by ear? When you learn melodies and solos by ear you're training yourself on how these notes, patterns and scales feel to your inner ear, and that's going to help when you try to solo.
So I would really recommend trying to learn entire songs by ear, but beginners can have huge difficulty trying to learn chord changes by ear. I'd suggest learning as many chords you can by ear, and then consulting a chart afterwards. Something that anyone can do is identify "one" or "do". So the above piece is in Eb major, and that's the first chord, so a great first time exercise is to try and map out the whole piece in terms of bars, and fill in each time you think we're back to "one", or Eb major. That's a great way to develop your harmonic ear, which is integral to jazz
Reminder to participate in the weekly /BLINDFOLD TEST/ threads if you like listening to and/or discussing jazz. It's a fun way to discover new jazz and discuss it with other jazz fans.
We all listen to the playlist of mystery tracks, write down our thoughts, criticisms, evaluations, and or guesses about the music and artists, then post them in Friday's thread.
>>65446221
What does context have to do with a record?
Are you a fucking retard? Do you have no concept of art?
This album is basically a prayer to God, and if you're too dense to see that because it doesn't have lyrics, or you're too lazy to look up liner notes, than consider finding a new hobby bud.
>>65446197
This is why music is so devalued these days, there's no connection. You could easily look up the liner notes, or read about the context. You probably don't even know the musicians names that played on the album, and that makes me sad.
>>65446992
>you're too lazy to look up liner notes
Again, what the fuck does that have to do with the music? I listen to the music for, guess what? The music! Honestly, if your music can't speak for itself and you need supplementary content in order to fully understand it, then it's a failure as music.
>>65440565
if u like frank at the sands u should check out the set basies band did that night before sinatra came out, just called count basie band live at the sands (before frank) soooo swinging
>>65447047
Not him but you're a massive retard.
The guy is reciting a religious poem with his sax in the final psalm.
>>65421968
whats a blindfold thread
>>65447047
It's called spiritual jazz for a reason dude, I honestly can't believe I'm debating this.
>>65446245
one of the best american composers and easily my favorite pianist of all time and ive listened to over 500 jazz records in the past 6 months. monk is the best, says something so beautiful with so few notes, so stylistically inventive and purely original. Him ornette, bley, trane, and ellington geniuses on a level that may never be surpassed in the jazz idiom.
>>65447181
Do you like Andrew Hill? Monk used to be my favourite until I started getting into Hill. They are very different styles but I feel so much more invested and connected to Hill's playing.
I fixed some spelling mistakes and added a little stylized trill to the word jazz (VERY important).
Please feel free to use/send this to anyone who would benefit :)
>>65447268
yeah man i love andrew hill! i mean were comparing two complete giants here. i love them both and have listened to i think both their entire discocraphys. Im probably a bigger fan of monk but its purely just cause monk touches my soul more then any musician besides maybe ornette. when ur talking about two beautifully talented people like this it just comes down to who you are as a person and what experiences have made u seek refuge in jazz and how the players connect with you.
>>65425444
Name?
>>65446834
where do I listen to the playlist? and how many people usually do this?
>>65447882
bill evans undercurrents
>>65447883
Usually the download link gets posted in the previous week's thread but this week's playlist wasn't ready. There are usually 7-10 people who participate but sometimes less and sometimes more.
What other genres do the people of /jazz/ listen to and how do they compare to jazz?
I'm not big into jazz but I fucking love the drumming and grooves on Bitches Brew even if they go on for a bit long
What are some other albums like it?
>What jazz album made it click for you?
listening to black saint and sinner lady one day while stoned off my ass
>>65448325
Industrial is my favourite, but unless you're talking about the more noise-rooted side of Jazz, the two are so different as to be hardly comparable.
>>65448325
I used to be a huge hip hop fan but haven't listened to much recently
But I am still really into funk, soul, and afrobeat
I just enjoy black rhythm and passion in music I guess
>>65448454
Let me guess, you're voting for Bernie.
>>65448325
im a big fan of pretty much any improvised music, grateful dead, phish, indian classical, celtic. jazz is by far my favorite but i just like improvised music generally
>>65448466
no, probably won't end up voting for anyone
I've been listening to some Impressionist music like Erik Satie and Steve Reich. What are some jazz similar to it?
Please how do I get into jazz?
>>65421968
>Mingus Ah Um
Saw OP's post and immediately thought of this album for the same question. That and @ Antibes
>>65448597
start with Kind of Blue by Miles Davis
and check this chart posted earlier in the thread >>65447421
>>65448578
Steve Reich is not impressionist, so I'm guessing you're digging the harmonic content? Go for bill evans, chick corea, mccoy tyner
>>65448578
Check out the Classical section on my chart >>65447421
In particulat I think you'll enjoy Eberhard Weber and Keith Jarrett.
The ECM label in general sounds right up your alley.
>>65448815
No! Start with Louis armstrong's got five and hot seven original recordings.
>>65449571
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJFoaGriDc
This is fucking great. Thanks for the recs
What was the first jazz record?
Is Badbadnotgood jazz?
They were the group that really got me into it, then I started going deeper. Right now I'm on sort of a bass phase so I've been listening to Jaco Pastorius, Victor Wooten, and a lot of The Bad Plus.
>>65449621
Thanks! Be sure to check out Yellow Fields (my personal favourite of his) as well. Also if you're into solo piano (a la Satie), the Keith Jarrett is fantastic but also check out Paul Bley's Open, To Love and Mingus Plays Piano!
>>65449687
buncha white guys
>>65425831
I came to this thread to post this very album.
Herbie Hancock is my favourite jazz musician.
>>65450310
I've been meaning to explore hancocks works. Any recommendations on where to go from head hunters? I fucking love Sly, if that helps recs at all
best contemporary easily consumable jazz album of all time tbqh
>>65448815
>>65449590
thanks guys!
>>65450310
Yeah, dude. "Thrust" is also quite tasty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRn7WlikdUA&list=PL8eK2Ek-HETnhPGCZ-wcS4kIZ6NhVD3kA
>>65436994
Learn so what solo
>>65450752
>contemporary
>of all time
anybody got more jazz infographics?
>>65445883
Yeah dude, it's not the same stuff. Don't skimp on that. Vaseline works okay, but I read that it should be "non-acidic."
bump
>>65437101
>rockist as an insult
hilarious. keep up the good work anon.
>>65453720
Rockist is literally an insult though.
Thoughts on Hubbard?
>>65443004
>puts literally the most progressive jazz album of 1959 under "pop"
>>65454873
not him but
>unironically using the term rockist
please never post on this board again
>>65455293
why do you think we insist! is the most progressive jazz album of 1959?
>>65452630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpBBOO3phvo
>>65452707
Just making sure I needed to get some.
>>65449687
Dixie Land Jazz Band?
>>65449687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQoxZf5V8rk
>>65445139
>I need some albums that feature a vibraphone/marimba.
Very Tall - Oscar Peterson Trio with Milt Jackson
I think this is actually the first jazz record I ever owned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ExVoyuSYRU
>>65456866
Thanks. It has been in my backlog for a long time, going to listen to it now.
>>65421477
i like jazz because i was pretty serious about playing it in hs and i always thought improv was just a really cool thing. im not sure which one made it click but the first one i really got into was the bad plus vista. i dont like them so much now but that one clicked really well at first. my favorite release is probably keith jarret the koln concert
>>65455157
i think hes really phenomenal i love red clay. rhythmic displacement is really cool and he is great at that especially in red clay. it is really lame hes dead we dont really have a trumpet stylist like him to take his place honestly
>>65421477
is there one person in this thread who cares paul bley is dead hes one of my favorites and its really depressing because not only did he die but literally nobody cared.
>>65429285
Peter Bernstein is amazing
>>65430949
benny green motherfucker
>>65455293
You're an absolute goober if you think the Freedom Suite is more progressive than The Shape of Jazz to Come.
It is a good album for people from a pop background, fight me.
>>65429285
Wes Montgomery's Smokin' at the Half Note is the apex of traditional jazz guitar
Otherwise Sonny Sharrock and Bill Frisell
>>65437017
fuck you
>>65437072
>Scientology like Chick Corea...
for real? chick is a scientologict?
>>65437242
I think kpop is the only thread were everyone are happy
>>65439382
Well it's true. Jazz is much better with weed.
>>65458169
DUDE
>>65440534
>yet you have Miles Davis (whose bebop phase was pretty average at best
wut.. you know miles in bird's best recordings? miles was amazing from the start m8. diz is probably better and maybe fats navarro but other than them miles probably the best bebop trumpeter of the time.
>>65440580
>ignoring miles this hard
>>65458194
It's worded poorly, he didn't have a bad track record at all, but he was mostly a sideman.
He wasn't an important figure in the bebop period, he barely composed any tunes and as a performer was a great trumpeteer but amongst many others like Gillespie, Dorham, Brown, etc...
>>65458270
>he barely composed any tunes
ever heard donna lee? how about half nelson? miles wrote some important stuff. Even in the bebop period and of course afterwards. And you shouldn't name Clifford Brown with kenny dorham and diz together, clifford came after them and learned from them. and guess what, from miles too. Miles was a superstar even though he wasn't that known as a leader but he was no less than fats navarro and kenny dorham. If anything miles was bigger and more known than them. Dude miles played with everyone Monk, Bird, Hawk, everyone on the scene they all wanted him. Even duke!. But that was a bit later and miles refused that.
>>65458270
Man I just can't say how you can say that the guy who wrote donna lee AND played with pretty everyone wasn't important in the bebop period.
>>65458406
Everyone played with everyone in the bebop period, that doesn't mean anything.
If you're going to recommend essentials from the bebop period, Charlie Parker, Gillespie, Powell and Monk are the essentials, Miles Davis comes after them.
He was always a good player and artist and for that reason he was a sideman of important people, but his musical output from the bebop period is far overshadowed by his output and influence in the hardbop, cool, modal and fusion genres.
I thought Clifford Brown was already recording by that time, my bad.
>>65458476
I wouldn't really recommend monk as essential bebop. I do agree that Bird, Diz and Powell are the biggest figures but Miles is also essential bebop. You will hear miles playing in every Bird comp you can get from the mid 40's pretty much. Miles was only 2nd to diz in terms of his reputation (of trumpet players) and that really says it all.
>Everyone played with everyone in the bebop period, that doesn't mean anything.
that's just a generalization. Dexter Gordon, Bud Powell, J.J. johnson, Max Roach, Bird, Hawk, Billy Eckstine, Dizzy, Kenny Clarke, Tadd Dameron. Everybody wanted him and miles was right at the front of the bebop movement. Though Bud, Diz and Bird were all obviously the I guess you could say pioneers of the movment.
>>65458119
Yeah. I was surprised when I found out, too.
bumpo
>>65460198
and another bump
>>65421477
>What jazz album made it click for you?
Probably either this or Moanin'. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
>>65461869
love this album cover so much
>>65446023
As that other anon was saying, it's largely about his relationship with God and I feel like if I could ever have the sort of emotional experience that Coltrane had, whether God is real or not, I'd be a much happier person.
It's not as if Coltrane is unique in his experience but his expression of those feelings he got from finding God resonated with me on a really deep level.
>>65458681
My favourite story about Miles and Bird is on their recording of Koko. First of all, Miles started playing cherokee over Koko, and there's a recording of the producer stopping the record and yelling at him about copyright.
NEW THREAD
>>65467091
>>65467091
>>65467091
>>65467139
this thread is still goin strong
and why would you include the same exact questions in the OP
>>65467119
interesting. what version of koko exactly? and do you have the recording of the producer yelling? also koko is based on cherokee so there's no reason to yell..
