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Hi pals, this is a thread for experimental music discussion. To clarify: Noise, drone, electroacoustic, free improvisation, futurism, indeterminacy, musique concrete, sound collage, and all that good stuff.
What have you been listening to? What have you been making? Movie and literature recommendations, concert experiences, gear, etc. are all welcome
How can i get into Merzbow? Just repeated listening is answer?
>>65359735
My friend is trying to get into harsh noise and he asks the same kind of question. I just tell him either it'll click or it won't. Maybe check out other artists as well. If you don't enjoy something, you shouldn't force yourself to listen to it
>>65359792
Can you recommend beginner's Merzbow album?
He has too large discography.
>>65359912
Pulse Demon is his most popular, followed by 1930, Venereology, and perhaps Hybrid Noisebloom. So I'd say go with those. If you want to just have it playing in the background for a good long while I recommend Merzphysics
>>65360083
what is this
Anyone have some good 2015/2016 glitch and/or sound collage?
>>65359912
Hybrid Noisebloom or 抜刀隊 With Memorial Gadgets. The latter isn't as harsh but is more dynamic and engaging a listen, I think.
>>65360252
While admittedly experimental, it seems a bit silly
>>65360271
I've meant to get more into both genres. I never got too far into glitch past ryoji ikeda...
>>65360308
I just am expressing my opinion. It seems sort satirical/trollish in nature but to each their own
>>65360320
For glitch, listen to Richard Chartier - Direct.Incidental.Consequential, and Fourfold Symmetry, a very good "split" by four musicians from the genre.
https://www.discogs.com/Kim-Cascone-Andrey-Kiritchenko-Andreas-Berthling-Kotra-Fourfold-Symmetry/release/76294
I'm still exploring sound collage myself.
I'll give the thread a bump, a single bump.
Why was 80s PE the best PE? I feel like the genre has declined in quality, although we still do get good releases here and there
This will be what I listen to today. What should I expect?
Someone's posted the entirety of Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement's Green Graves up on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKwr4FlHbTJ6s8FijC3NuwJGROlCmXPNN
>>65362394
ooh, nice. I love me some RSE, especially pic related
>>65359735
take like ten 5 hour energies
itll click
>>65362394
Alberich and Lussuria's Borgia is up on the same channel as well
>>65362394
>>65363388
And surprise Vatican Shadow new release out of nowhere available the 10th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbvvJw9KIfM
>>65363569
Dom you absolute madman
>>65363569
this was nice
more pls
>>65362394
On the third to last track now and I'm completely comfortable saying this is the best RSE release yet. Every track is great so far.
Picked up some really cool /noise/ records in Chicago recently - the Hospital split is killer, and I haven't listened to the Mutant Ape album yet but it was just buried in the "electronic" section at a store and I've heard good things, excited to give it a listen
Noise is a poor mans free improv and is exclusively for plebs
How do you see the rubber plant in the future of music? Do you think it could become a major instrument and have a genre defined by it? I see a future in the possibilities.
You guys don't really count Noise Rock in these things do you? While I do listen to some of the stuff you guys mention (mostly just experimental stuff) I never go too extreme with like merzbow or kazumuto endo
who eai here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMG0yuRHzHs
>>65359912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSCkOEGkZFU
Merzbeat is also a good album to start.
>>65361903
Have you heard the new Puce Mary?
>>65365387
i like coughs
idk if they count as /experimental/
>>65365928
Yeah, I love 'em but I wouldn't say they do - that comp's on Hospital though, plus it's got some straight up noise tracks on there, and Vegas Martyrs is yet another Dom project so ayy seemed relevant enough
Fuck you all I'm on a pop binge
I'll return to noise, free improv and memealism when I feel like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpaSJ74pDlk
DH is best experimental group of the sentury, prove me wrung
>>65365593
Noise rock is still, at its core, rock. So it's abrasive but not super experimental
>>65366362
That's not NWW!
>>65366725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sb4nl0IZiU
Swamp rat
Another useless general
great
>>65366835
>what used to be multiple generals merged into one
>newfags still complaining
fuck off
I can't get over how small Dom is
Thoughts on this album? I'm trying to get into it but it's a bit harder than Ape of Naples.
The sad thing about /mu/ is that even though there's clearly a decent amount of people here who are keen on more fringe types of music, these threads usually get bumped off the catalogue by more popular threads. Recently on /out/ we've had a field recording thread which has had close to 200 replies. This is the cool thing about slower boards.
It has kinda made me want to start a board on [eight]chan dedicated to this stuff. In fact there is already an [eight]chan board called noise but it suffers fro not enough traffic. I think it could also afford to broaden to more experimental stuff in general.
Is anyone keen on populating the [eight]chan /noise/ board? We can still have experimental generals here and they can also be used to inform other /mu/tants of the [eight]chan board. Whaddyareckon?
Anyone here into lowercase or other extremely minimal forms of music where very little happens?
I make ethereal Progressive power electronics or post synth punk
been honing material for my most distant, ambitious release for the past 6 months now.
I recorded over 10 hours with 13 different instruments in arranging this piece alone.
https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/so-so-sufferers
https://archive.org/details/noise-arch?&sort=-downloads&page=5
30GB+ of obscure noise/spoken word/jazz tapes
Bought the self titled Live Skull album for 4$ from the local record store, any good bands doing anything like this today? I wish I could go back to the avant-noise/no wave scene in the 80s. Shits cash.
>>65366835
>>65366948
Yeah I didn't feel like doing another one for just noise so I broadened it. As for the usefulness of the thread, that's all based on what people post.
I found this baby from BT.HN. on soulseek today. I hadd been looking for it for a while. I love all Sam's projects but this and Ba.Ku. are especially good. Outside The Rita what projects with Sam Mckinlay do you like best?
>>65369033
I like some onkyo and stuff
>>65369721
Also interested in this
Nice find too, I recently got a copy of Bringing home the Bait for 6 dollars, score of the century
>>65369592
I've been here since 2010 and this is legitimately the best homegrown project I've encountered.
>>65369737
Experimental leaves a lot more room for discussion than noise. I'd rather see these than noise threads.
>>65365641
Yeah, what about it? It's shit.
>>65369896
No wave needs to come back, there needs to be a good place to find no wave bands
>>65369737
>>65369904
It might decrease the amount of bad noise projects being posted from clyp.it since they tend to be attracted to noise as a specific, leaving room for more invested people to post their stuff.
Currently listening to Lifting Concrete Lightly by MIMEO. What did y'all think of it? I'm sure y'all've listened.
>>65365673
never really listened to eai but that's cool as shit
Not something i would listen to regularly, but it's conceptually cool and interesting to watch
>>65369592
>https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/so-so-sufferers
HOLY SHIT
not even joking, this is incredible
Are you planning on releasing an album or ep soon?
looking for stuff similar to this, maybe with more variety;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liwjd0Hdy4Q
Really interested in audio collages.
>>65370287
I'm carefully curating my first release as Ornate Exit and that's due later this year.
Here's part of something from that
https://clyp.it/nk2khftd
I have a few albums I've released under old projects, they're alright, less musical
https://ourexitbag.bandcamp.com
>>65369592
>https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/so-so-sufferers
incredible. there is actually a legitimate artist on 4chan.
i'd download an ep/lp of yours in a heartbeat.
>>65365673
I'm still pretty new to eai and electroacoustic in general. Pic related is my favorite electroacoustic release so far
>>65365673
Fuck yeah! I've been getting heaps into those dotolim concerts. Check out the Dotolim USB compilation. It's on slsk.
I've been getting really into Manfred Werder lately. He does really interesting stuff. Its quite conceptual in many ways.
I should be able to post some cool links to things in 8 hours or so.
>>65370776
link? trying to get into it
>>65370479
Check out Luc Ferrari. I really love his work.
I've done a release which is, I feel, heavily inspired by his stuff. Here's a mega link if you wanna hear it.
https://mega.nz/#!3Jh3naAK!_Oo7LcWmHlv2NqD4P4goGs6Lk03PJLxsAVLCJTStW4k
>>65370647
That clip is fucking insane
where do i start with nurse with wound? no charts please
>>65371156
I got that on soulseek unfortunately. Great application, I recommend it to all
You guys know any Korean stuff? I'm studying in Seoul for a semester and would love to see some things live/pick up some cool stuff. Only person I know is Okkyung Lee (which is a damn shame because I knew her from Ideologic Organ but now that she opened for Swans everyone'll think I'm a bandwaggoner)
Okay guys.
I want to start making harsh noise with pedals. How in the hell do I connect all that shit? Is there a book? A diagram?
The only gear walkthrough I found was this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJZkIZ2UGc4
>>65371657
nope, the beauty of it is rigging it up your way! I don't even play guitar but I found working with the pedals to be not too hard. Then again I only have three rn but still
>>65371746
I can't hear it
What does /experimental/ think of my music?
https://vtimdon.bandcamp.com/album/return-to-the-lantern-curls
>>65370776
I'm listening again and shit this is good. Nice and droney and ambient too, for fans of that. And at over 4 hours of music you'll have a lot to explore. Super solid
>>65371549
Dotolim! Look up this venue. I mentioned it in a post above and another anon posted a video. They've got a tonne of YouTube videos of their shows. Report back to /experimental/ if you go to a show. I'd like to hear about it.
>>65371779
no point charging 3.50 for an album, you'll get a lot more publicity if you just make it choose your price or whatever it's called on bandcamp
dug the bit around 22:30 - 23:30 ish
I think a little more movement with dynamics would make it more compelling but that's because at heart i'm a post-rock kiddie with a short attention span
>>65371779
Oh I think I listened to some of your last release. I like the textures you're working with on the new release for sure. It has a pretty eerie vibe to it and it's very atmospheric. I find the descriptions for your music to be a bit bombastic and self-indulgent but I see the point and merit in wanting to really explain and advocate for something you're proud of
>>65371867
Yeah I second the making it free thing. I make all my stuff free and I have had people give me money when they don't have to. I just think doing that helps disseminate your work
>>65371779
Also could this be mixed any louder? Admittedly I'm listening to it on laptop speakers and the a/c is on but I find it slightly hard to hear at times
>>65371466
try Homotopy to Marie
>>65371816
Neat, gave them a like on facebook and will lurk through their stuff later. Cheers!
>>65371867
>>65371921
Yeah the whole point of that release was it to be a constant although there are some gradual rises and falls here and there.
My first release was originally pay what you want but that didn't really go too far so I set it to a dollar. I'm trying out a slightly higher price now, maybe a bit too high.
>>65371894
Yeah the descriptions over exaggerate it a bit. I tend to do that
>>65371980
Which one? First album or second album?
>>65372043
second one. Again it's probably the a/c thing
I'm curious as to what constitute "good" bandcamp stats as far as listens and downloads...especially for /experimental/ stuff
Gonna listen to this soon. How good is it?
Also how is Jason Lescalleet so based?
>>65371995
>>65371466
I'd say "chance encounter...", personally
Name a more based noise single
>>65372131
Yeah, it could be because I mixed it with the intention for it to be heard on headphones. I haven't actually tried it on speakers yet. But it should be fine on that too, so it's probably the a/c
I honestly have no clue, in general experimental stuff gets a decent number of listens but not many downloads so
>>65372144
Interesting album, kind of disturbing at points but overall not too bad
>>65371739
How's the rhythm wolf? I've been lookin into getting one of those - was worried the sounds might be too limited.
Does space age pop count as /experimental/? If not, could I have some EAI, noise, etc. that utilizes some of its sensibilities?
>>65372349
Honestly it probably is too limited for your intents and purposes. I do mainly noise so I'm not super picky about that kind of thing personally (other noise folks might be picky about it, I'm just saying I'm not). I like it because it's really fucking easy to use and really fun. Like a total amateur can be making beats in like 5 minutes. So moral of the story it depends what you're using it for, how experienced you are with drum machines, and what additional equipment you have. For instance, I will sometimes run the rhythm wolf through the distortion pedals and that can create some pretty awesome sounds. If you can morph the sounds, are new to drum machines, and/or aren't super particular then I'd recommend it
>>65371739
That looks neat af. I'd def listen to your noise if you have a sc page, or a bandcamp.
Has anyone listened to Earnest Rubbish? I was looking forward to its release, but I never found a link.
>>65372242
all the troniks b-cards, but that one is cool too
>>65372462
I just might have to pick one up with some cheap pedals - I really liked that growl and built in distortion on those. Was considering basing my entire sound off of them for the next project.
>>65372590
I spy with my little eye
a tiddy
>>65372590
City pop like Taeko Ohnuki is pretty great, but space age pop is more focused on the use of early synths and such
>>65359660
ambientsleepingpill.com
>>65372590
MODS MY EYES
>>65372500
https://pagodamast.bandcamp.com/
It's a newish setup so most of what I've recorded so far doesn't include it, at least not in its entirety. My upcoming demo will use it though, and everything I've done so far will be in a similar vein, but I don't have anything recorded with the whole setup quite yet. Sorry to disappoint :(
>>65372552
Yeah I think you really could make some interesting stuff with that. I play around with my setup for hours a day, even if I don't record any of it, so that sort of system is bound to at least be really fun to use
>>65372669
>>65372616
That's just an album cover
https://echolaliac.bandcamp.com/album/feeling-free
This is sort of a silly project but I like the idea at least
>>65372590
by the way, is that an album cover?
good content boys
>>65372932
It's not too bad
>>65372635
I'm listening to electric lucifer right now and it's pretty out there as far as pop goes, even for that time
>>65372932
I'm a grill.
>>65372714
It was just an album cover...mods these days
>>65373331
only real albums count like from on pitchfork
>>65373414
oh my bad, I forgot
>>65373414
Hahahs out of spite they extended the ban what the hell
yeah
>>65367430
his brand of humour is fucking golden and I crack up multiple times every time I listen.
>i've got some horse tranquilizer for later
>I've got a horse tranquilized for later
or
>can we arrage to have more volume in the room please?
It is more repetitive than AoN, have you tried Musick to Play in the Dark?
>>65372710
I like the concept. I'll take a listen through when I get a chance today :D
>>65374608
Nope, I'll try it thanks. I did end up liking the last track a lot, so I think it's an acquired taste
Guys a year or two back I found an album that was pretty neat but I didn't save it or anything. Now I'm desperately trying to find it again. All I remember is that the artwork was sork of gray/really dull green, with a white drawing in the middle of what I think was a schematic for a recording setup. The album itself was super drony and quiet, like the artist just set up some recording equipmemt with instruments in a big room somewhere near a busy street, and left it recording with feedback and stuff. I remember thebackground behind it saying something about how at one point he taped down several of the keys on a keyboard and just left them like that. Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? I would really love to find that again
This is a good idea
>>65375207
No idea but I'm intrigued
>>65373414
duh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-UMklT1CA
>>65369592
Sick
https://soundcloud.com/mephisto_waltz/the-visitation-feat-ornate-exit
>Thread about experimental music
>OP limits discussion to a bunch of idiomatic styles
hahahahahahahaha
Anyone got any recs for some noisy hard glitch?
The newest Consumer Waste release looks really interesting, the sound source is from a bunch of buried tapes, no upload for it yet though. I'd probably buy it eventually but some labels have such short sound samples which is annoying.
http://consumerwaste.org.uk/cw19
>>65365491
>poor mans
Effect pedals cost money
>>65372242
got a link?
>>65377449
Most pedals aren't too expensive.
>>65359660
>Movie and literature recommendations
What are you guys reading?
>>65375239
are you being sarcastic? serious question
>>65377482
I like Donner pedals too. Unless your so poor that you're like me last year with $0.18 in my bank account type shit then you should be fine. Donners are like $35
>>65377009
Those were just examples retard
I love experimental music, pic related
>>65377009
Yes I too prefer experimental hiphop myself anon
>>65377009
Share something anon. We we're having a nice thread here. Feel free to contribute something you're into.
>>65372349
It's shit
>>65359735
Honestly I only enjoy harsh noise when I'm reaaaal stoned or very pissed off. So try one of those I guess
Anyone here the new ErstAEU's yet? Looks like they have some new artists I've never heard of before.
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/tim_albro___tyler_keen/summary_dismissal/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/reed_evan_rosenberg___ethan_tripp/medium_rude/
>>65360271
Xerrox volume 3 was good
>experimental music thread
>expect in-depth discussion of academic avant-garde
>get a bunch of teenagers circlejerking over edgy mallgoth shite
smfh
>>65378606
There's nothing stopping you from posting about academic avant-garde here, but I'm curious as to what mallgoth music what posted here, I didn't see any.
pretty weak thread
considering how terrible of a job /mu/ does at talking about this shit in any of the threads that are made about it i wouldn't get so ambitious as to think it deserves a general.
or is this just an attempt at rebranding and reviving /noise/? what's the fucking point, honestly? /noise/ shouldn't have ever become a thing in the first place.
>>65378606
>expect in-depth discussion of academic avant-garde
this your first day on /mu/ or something?
no such thing as in-depth discussion anywhere on this board(and particularly not in any threads regarding experimental and avant-garde music, as none of the people posting in threads about that music have any clue about it aside from various meme albums they found on RYM and /mu/ charts)
>>65359735
merzbox in order
Hey, hope this general becomes a good replacement for /noise/, kind of miss it
Since people have posted their stuff ITT I guess I will too (sorry for shilling):
https://windowlistener.bandcamp.com
The only thing that's normal on the page is the first 6 tracks of Clairvoyance/Alien Sights, otherwise everything else is fucking weird. tell me what you think!
>>65362051
One of my top 5 albums. GREAT. junk noise
>>65362051
It's great, I still need to pick up a physical copy, the label has the vinyl box for sale for half price but it's still pricey.
>>65378747
>aside from various meme albums they found on RYM and /mu/ charts
also worth saying that even those meme albums might as well fall on literally deaf ears, as none of the people discovering them through context-free charts and lists have any sort of background knowledge or education(if they did have it they would have discovered those albums on their own a long time ago) which would allow them to know how to approach those albums, or how to develop any sort of intelligent or illuminating opinions or feelings on them.
the utter uneducated fucking stupidity of the average /mu/ "avant-garde/experimental music enthusiast" would be hilarious if it wasn't so grating.
>>65359660
This is a better idea for a thread then the noise threads, an "all in one" thread is best.
>>65379011
It's a good thing that one's opinions and feelings about music are only important to themselves, then
>>65379011
academic standards are a cop out for people that need something objective to feel they can judge music with. I'm glad I'm not biased into thinking some shit is good because I "understand" it and instead have developed a personal appreciation of the avant garde music I like
>>65362394
I don't understand it...It sounds completely generic.
>>65379610
Noise sounds cooler though
>>65379169
uh huh
>>65379653
that's true
>>65379684
a personal appreciation which i doubt would translate into two dozen halfway thoughtful sentences on the nature of that music
and i'm not talking about academic standards or objective understanding, i'm talking about familiarity with the historical progression and the artistic methods behind this sort of shit, which i would certainly say are something anyone with a genuine interest in it all should be familiar with(and which 99% of the people discussing it on /mu/ don't have any idea about)
>>65377500
Pale Fire. Fuck, I love Nabokov. You?
>>65378606
>>65378747
>>65379011
And this is why you should hug your kids.
>>65378747
then discuss shit you fucking faggot. up above your post are other post to which you may have replied to with discussion. instead you made the most useless complaining post. fag
>>65359912
I would recommend Noisembryo personally, as it's one of the few I come back to semi regularly.
>>65366362
Decent. Would watch again.
>>65371466
Besides the usual recs, I would say the Sylvie and Babs Hi Fi Companion is criminally underrated in his discography.
I hate to post twice about this album on /mu/ in such a short timespan, but I really can't understate how my love for this album never fades in all the years i've come back to it. Twin Infinitives by Royal Trux always comes out on top and blows me away like nothing else can and is notoriously difficult to fully embrace on initial listens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpcwA2fJkAw
Explain how he is "experimental". outside of using tin cans, conch shell, ratchet, bass drum, buzzers, water gong, metal wastebasket, lion's roar, amplified coil of wire, muted gongs, audio frequency oscillators, variable speed turntables with frequency recordings and recordings of generator whines and amplified marimbula nothing he does is that different from other artists. he sound good for what he is but calling him experimental is false.
>>65380021
nah, i don't want to encourage this abysmal dilettantism or prolong its lifespan in any way. the best thing that can happen to threads like these is swift 404ing.
and considering a thread i read through like a week ago in which a bunch of dudes vented about how useless their efforts to make /noise/ at least a somewhat decent general ended up being and how irredeemable that general ultimately turned out to be, i reckon i would just be wasting my time if i tried to engage in genuine discussion with y'all anyway.
>>65380190
aka 'im a faggot'. bb bb
>>65380036
well he did famously use the sounds of music halls as solo instruments
shamelessly posting my own album, what are your thoughts on it?
Industrialish/Noisy Ambient album inspired by dub and jazz music
https://celestialsight.bandcamp.com/album/convergence
If you'd like to download the whole thing without paying let me know i will give some download codes
>>65380242
there's more than 150 posts in this thread and none of them go anywhere or are of any interest or consequence.
it's a joke of a thread and i've got no good reason to participate in it. get fucked.
>>65380036
what a lovely lad
>>65380716
can i have a download code bro i'm digging this
>>65359735
I'm a big fan of harsh noise but find Merzbow pretty boring, so I would rather recommend trying out different artists and not just the most popular one. Like, who likes the most well known artist of a genre the most anyway?
>>65381981
You are unbelievably fucking stupid.
>>65382020
Now I'm convinced that all people who try to get into noise should listen to Merzbow first...
That is fucking stupid, anon.
>>65359660
Who here likes the experimental band oasis
>>65381867
glad you liked it, here it is:
ltbz-6r47
>>65382047
Between the massive variety of Merzbow's discography, the huge influence he has had on the development of both noise and the wider sphere of late 20th/early 21st century experimental music and the various production techniques he has pioneered and made standard, all that calling his work "pretty boring" or wondering why anyone would favor him over other noise artists does is make you look like someone who's got no idea what they're talking about(which, considering the pedigree of the average /mu/ "noise fan", is almost a sure bet anyway).
I'm sure you'd find a Merzbow album up your alley if you actually ventured past the handful of meme albums which you've seen people talk about on /mu/.
Ursula Bogner - Sonne=Blackbox
avant garde
>>65382129
I simply don't like the idea of forcing yourself to relisten to artists just to finally "get it". Why not trying out different artists as well? My post was more about exploring than about downplaying Merzbow's achievements. My comment about my dislike was there to show that it's possible to get into the genre without (yet) discovering a fitting Merzbow album.
>>65359912
ignore those idiots start at the beginning with OM Electrique its his most accessible album
>>65382085
thanks dude.
keep it up.
>>65382188
>I simply don't like the idea of forcing yourself to relisten to artists just to finally "get it".
Putting in the effort that it takes to come to some sort of comprehension of a work even if that comprehension doesn't automatically translate to love is something I would expect of anyone who thinks of themselves as adventurous and developed enough of a listener to take an interest in noise. Especially considering how abstract and complicated the motivations and aims of so many noise artists are.
>Why not trying out different artists as well?
Merzbow is as fitting of an introduction to noise as any other artist. Probably a much more fitting introduction than most others, actually.
>My post was more about exploring than about downplaying Merzbow's achievements.
Like I said, Merzbow's discography is one of the most varied in all of noise. His approach changes constantly. There's plenty of directions to explore within it.
>My comment about my dislike was there to show that it's possible to get into the genre without (yet) discovering a fitting Merzbow album.
Trying to get into noise while ignoring Merzbow is the equivalent of trying to get into dub while ignoring King Tubby or trying to get into avant-jazz while ignoring Cecil Taylor. It's not a thing anyone who has any concrete awareness of Merzbow's significance would suggest.
>>65369592
I paused the new Autechre album to play this and I legitimately can't tell the difference. Kudos to you good buddy, I'll suck your dick anytime.
>>65382412
>Putting in the effort that it takes to come to some sort of comprehension of a work even if that comprehension doesn't automatically translate to love is something I would expect of anyone who thinks of themselves as adventurous and developed enough of a listener to take an interest in noise. Especially considering how abstract and complicated the motivations and aims of so many noise artists are.
Believe me, it took me a lot of time to get into noise, why can't you accept that I started to like the genre without taking the hard route of going through a 200+ discography? To me it were artists like The New Blockaders or Incapacitants who finally grabbed my attention.
>Merzbow is as fitting of an introduction to noise as any other artist. Probably a much more fitting introduction than most others, actually.
>Like I said, Merzbow's discography is one of the most varied in all of noise. His approach changes constantly. There's plenty of directions to explore within it.
It sure is but why not include some of his peers in the recommendation list? While I'm advocating for an introduction by listening to multiple artists as entry-points (including Merzbow, idc), you seem to focus so much on solely Merzbow and present him as the be-all-end-all-artist that I'm wondering who's the more ignorant person? And just because his discography is varied, it doesn't mean he perfected all of them. His urge to experiment should be commended for sure but why should I feel forced to enjoy them as much as another artist who did a particularly style in a better way?
>>65369592
I was already following you, apparently. Good stuff.
Ursula Bogner was born in 1946 and raised in Dortmund -- she moved to Berlin at 19 to study pharmacy. She immediately went to work for pharmaceutical giant Schering, followed by marriage, children and a successful yet by no means sensational scientific career within the multinational heavyweight. At the same time, she developed a keen interest in electronic music. Throughout her early 20s, she followed the activities of Cologne-based Studio Für Elektronische Musik, attended seminars by Studio founder Herbert Eimert, exhibited great enthusiasm for musique concrète and, later on, shared her children's enthusiasm for British new wave pop. Nevertheless, Ursula Bogner never involved herself in any scene, never made her music public. Besides composition, she also tried her hand at painting, printing (the booklet features reproductions of two of her linocuts) and developed a strong fascination for mysticism, esotericism, and Wilhelm Reich's "orgonomy," the psychoanalyst's bizarre late work on his discovery of "orgonenergy" or life-force. Her compositions are studies and sketches: humorous and -- in view of her biography -- almost silly, rather than mystical or scientific. Nevertheless, it is remarkably hard to grasp or classify her work as a whole. Over the course of 20 years, she dabbled in many different styles, leading to a huge wealth of work and a bewildering variety of titles, from filter modulations, tuba tweaking, bass anthems, looping experiments, synth-pulse symphonies, to rhythmic patterns trapped in echo chambers. In the late 1960s, Ursula Bogner started to record her own music on reel-to-reel tapes. With some of these titles, Jelinek only found individual tracks of pieces recorded on a four-track-recorder -- in these cases, he had to recombine the separate tracks to recreate the original piece. Invoking the original's authenticity might seem insensitive yet there was no other way to release them in their entirety.
>>65382821
Fuck off you cunt
>>65380821
or you can start a discussion if you don't like the posts?????
kys
>>65382821
why do i see this everywhere
dumb metaposters
>>65383432
>wants thread to 404
>keeps bumping it
did you know you can hide threads? rather than pompous attention whoring like some middle schooler
I can't understand why people classify some music as "experimental". What experiment are you making? Changing the disposition of notes on a sheet of any song or singing it a capalla can make it "experimental"... It does not make any sense?! You're just pretentious
>>65383467
shut up
>>65383472
>claims to be an absolute authority on music
>calls others pretentious
>>65383490
nice bump faggot
metaposting is the true cancer killing /mu/. there should be a tutorial on thread hiding in the sticky
>>65383524
>metaposting is the true cancer killing /mu/
this thread had more than a hundred posts before i made my first post in it, it was already shit by then
>>65383569
my point is faggots like you prefer throwing pathetic temper tantrums in threads you don't like rather than finding threads you do want to post in
no one cares about your half-baked, asspained "opinions" about the board
Has anyone seen the Nor Noise documentary? I enjoyed it
>>65378502
I heard both. I really, really enjoyed Medium Rude.It's also in the archives I posed it in a noise thread since it fits right in.
Fantastic release.
>>65372144
He should have trimmed and compiled material from all the "this is what I do" into like 3 releases or so.
>>65370647
>https://ourexitbag.bandcamp.com
Looking forward senpai.
>>65367430
>https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/so-so-sufferers
I never got into that release and I love Coil. Take your time.
>>65375207
Surface of the Earth self-titled?
It matches your description pretty well
>>65383569
god please shut up, filter the thread, hide it, just go
i could just enter the 500 kanye west and grimes threads to say how much i hate them and how they're useless garbage but you don't see me doing that
people let noise threads die but this one with a different title but essentialy noise in majority of posts is still up
fuckin hell
>>65384581
Experimental threads make more sense content wise. You could always make a /noise/ if you want to talk about noise music specifically. I even create /noise/ from time to time when a new release is up. Why do you want to keep it up all the time ?
Brendan Dougherty -Sensate {2016}
>ambient,electronic,noise
https://a.cuntflaps.me/ejdbcg.tar.xz
Earle Brown - Folio and Four Systems
>modern.classical,indeterminancy
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/multiple/folio_and_four_systems/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/owxpfn.tar.xz
>>65385091
>Earle Brown - Folio and Four Systems
forgot image kek
>>65384942
>>65385091
>>65385113
Thanks for the shares! I want to see more experimental classical stuff itt
Where's the hip hop boys?
>>65385552
go to a hip-hop general, monkey
>you need a 10 year music education to know and appreciate "experimental" music
>>65386695
only high school plebs think this
>>65386695
>Let's bump the thread with more useless drivel instead of actual discussion
Thoughts of this? This is noise album that I listened first time. I watched her live on youtube, then wow pretty shocked.
Ya'll like fields recording here ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm9fTolUUG8
Exploring Jezebel, live 2015
>>65387060
Got a link for this?
Can I get recs for some beautiful sounding drone? I'm just getting into the genre.
>>65387198
La Monte Young & Marian Zazeela - Just Charles & Cello in the Romantic Chord (2002-2003)
>>65387178
I would have to rip it, but try this
>http://newnoisenet.blogspot.com/2014/10/chris-watson-in-st-cuthberts-time-touch.html
>>65387252
Just tried, it's expired. Guess I'll rip it from YT for now.
>>65387252
>>65387267
It's on wcd
>>65387222
Will listen, thanks.
>>65372144
haunting
>>65379819
Perhaps having such knowledge could be useful for talking about music beyond "it sounds good and this is why I think it sounds good", but I don't see why most people who are interested in music for the sake of entertainment should care. I don't think the people here are really "discussing" this music as much as sharing music and trying to articulate what they feel about it. I don't see how being familiar with the historical progression of the medium has value to the discussion of art outside of a particular art objects relation to history.
Yeah
>>65388819
Quit fucking bumping with these useless comments. Contribute to or start a discussion. This is why generals are bad. All you want to do is keep the thread up for the sake of being up.
>>65386835
First one was better, bonus cover is a cool idea
>>65387060
Is there a chart for field recordings?
Is it limited to unmanipulated recordings as a genre?
>>65372144
lambkin is great. amateur doubles is one of my favorite albums.
>>65369592
Okay don't get me wrong, this is really quite good and you're clearly very talented
But all the praise it's getting in this thread seems a tad hyperbolic
>>65390699
because he's samefagging
>>65390750
Did I miss any?
>>65378782
love your textures, downloading
>>65359735
Probably don't it's meme noise
>>65359912
Beat, definitely
>this thread
>>65359912
The live album he cut with Alec Empire in 1997
>>65392195
Great contribution
>>65392195
i really don't understand why these dipshits keep forcing these threads when it is utterly blatant that they have no idea about any of this shit beyond /mu/ meme artists and albums, and even with those they've only heard a few select albums.
it'd be like me forcing a blues general on the back of having heard like 4 blues albums in my entire life, it just makes no sense.
>>65392264
so you have encyclopedic knowledge of experimental music you'd like to share?
favorite ablums? best releases this year?
if not then fuck off and find something better to do with your pathetic life
>>65392264
>>65392195
I don't understand why you don't understand that there can't be discussion if the thread gets bumped off by 30 pop threads and there are a lot more posts like yours contributing nothing than the smaller bump posts which contribute to later discussion
>>65392264
They're doing it because they're hoping they'll get spoonfed here by someone who does know more about it.
The funny thing is that if those people do exist, they sure as shit never post in threads like these. The only people who do post in them are the RYM/chart thread crowd.
https://www.discogs.com/lists/Experiments-gimmick-and-concept-albums-bands-and-labels/14850
important list
>>65392344
>spoonfeed me please
no
>>65392354
sorry that my posts have ruined this perfect, insanely interesting thread
>>65392381
>The funny thing is that if those people do exist, they sure as shit never post in threads like these.
yeah it's fucking funny
/noise/ actually did have a handful of people who knew a good deal about noise and tried to make the threads interesting but they all gave up and left one by one because everyone else in the threads preferred to talk about bandcamp noise, kazumoto endo, whitehouse and prurient for the 600th time lmao
>>65392548
>asspained metaposting and posturing will solve anything at all
just accept you're an attention whoring little fag
>>65391341
Thanks for liking it!
>>65392573
i'm not trying to solve anything, i just felt compelled to share my feelings on this thread
and i accepted that a long time ago
>>65392354
There's not much discussion to be had. I used to like coming to the noise threads back in 2014 when there was discussion about concepts, sharing projects without hissy fits, and civil discourse, but it's become apparent that these threads and their community have become like the parent board, full of memery and annoyance, something we said we wouldn't let happen. Discussion wise, the majority is just link sharing. No real discussion about concepts, sounds, or the ideas of artists or our own projects. When people DO praise another poster's project, that's the extent of it. No discussion.
>>65392387
This is really fucking cool. Taking a look through now. Improvising concepts from random pictures is a perpetually good idea for stimulating conceptual creativity.
>>65392264
>>65392548
Please explain to me this "spoonfeeding" mentality. I seriously don't get it. What exactly is so bad about coming into a thread like this without much knowledge of the music being discussed in it if you're actually legitimately interested in exploring it? Isn't /mu/ supposed to be a place where you, uh, fucking discover new music? But no, apparently if you ask for recs around here you're cancer and people will tell you to fuck off. If you are passionate about a type of music why not share it with others?
>>65359660
for anyone who has not yet found The Quango, this is a more accessible track
https://soundcloud.com/the-quango/still-born
>>65392871
He's suggesting that only people who are pretty much genre-buffs and know everything about every relevant artist in and out should be able to post in the generals. I consider myself a huge noise-fan, I listen to it for over 5 years now but by his standard I also shouldn't be able to open up discussions in these threads since I might not know idea x of artist y in year z...
>>65392871
Boards on 4chan are dedicated to discussing topics, and the reason people make threads is to talk about those topics. Influxes of people asking for entry level things hinders discussion and clogs the place up. It's annoying. Lurk and gain an understanding so you can contribute to a deeper conversation and ask about appropriate things when appropriate. This is really not difficult to understand. You're not helpless. This is the answer to your general inquiry. As for why people are mad about these generals and their content, it's because there is no in depth discussion. It's not about having a comprehensive knowledge of every noise artist, it's about having a familiarity with the genre and medium beyond entry level artists, and it's about discussing more than just the same artists and posting links every thread. It is perfectly understandable for someone dedicated to a scene or a genre to get mad when discussion in a relevant thread is shallow.
>>65393084
Why not ignoring all these entry-level posts then and only responding to the ones you can relate? By pointing them out you make them a bigger issue than they would be if they just wouldn't get that much attention.
>>65382467
listen to a single autechre track
>>65392871
because it's insanely easy to find and explore music on your own at this point and i would imagine anyone who was truly passionate about a certain type of music to be excited about the prospect of doing their own research. that's what i did, that's what most of the people i enjoy talking about music with did. like an album? check out the record label it came out on. bam, a whole new world of music is discovered just like that, and that's just one of many methods for exploration.
because all that spoonfeeding does is further discourage people from developing any sense of self-sufficiency or adventurousness(which is already running very low on a board like /mu/ which is comically dependent on various tastemakers "approving" music and telling people what to listen to, whether it be P4K, fantano, RYM or something else)
because most often than not, even that spoonfeeding doesn't result in anyone here broadening their horizons on music. i don't know why that is the case, but it is. the only logical explanation i can think of for that is that the people asking to be spoonfed either bookmark those albums and plan to listen to them somewhere down the line which ends up never happening, or they download them all, listen to 3 minutes of each, get bored and then delete them and never mention them again.
i am perfectly happy to suggest something to someone who truly seems to be excited about it(and i have done that many times), but most of the time it's a waste of effort and good will
just ask any of the posters i mentioned in >>65392548
also, everything >>65393084 said
>>65393084
I don't know, I'm just glad that a thread like this exists at all (even if the discussion isn't as in depth) considering that 90% of the people on /mu/ are just underage retards creating 500 threads a day about death grips and kanye west and grimes and the same boring p4k/fantano crap a hundred times a day. I agree that some people are too lazy but honestly I'd rather have /mu/ full of people who are actually interested in exploring new genres and going out of their "comfort zone" than people who are content with discussing fantanocore for the 1000th time.
FWIW I never really asked for recs here and most of my music research is autocratic, I just find it weird that people seem to get so mad at others who are actually interested in getting into genres they don't know too much about. Even if it's a lazy attitude it's still better than not being interested at all.
what do mu think of the experimental album of the year?
>>65393732
Better than frankie sinatra
>>65387060
I feel da recordings
>>65393657
>(even if the discussion isn't as in depth)
it's not that the discussion isn't in-depth, it's that there is no discussion at all. scroll through the thread, see for yourself.
the only discussion that happened in this thread is discussion regarding the thread itself, which i think is enough to illustrate that this general has no legs to stand on.
>people who are actually interested in exploring new genres and going out of their "comfort zone"
like others have pointed out, if these people do exist they certainly steer clear of threads like these.
the level of interest in something new when it comes to the average poster here doesn't seem to go much beyond finding a couple of token entry-level "weird" albums they can stick onto their top 100 album collages for the sake of looking eclectic or (and i hate fucking word) edgy.
