a couple weeks ago I got into a noise related thread and called Prurient "the Avril Lavigne of noise music" which actually triggered a bunch of people. Some guy wrote a long ass reply explaining why Prurient is the best thing to happen to noise in the last 15 years which was pretty good... anyone remember that? Are you there prurientbro?
>>65309000
But Avril Lavigne makes very good pop music, so he must be very good at noise.
>Are you there prurientbro?
Yeah, but that wasn't me. I think Dom peaked 9 years ago with The Golden Chamber and everything since has been downhill.
I think I read someone on the noiseguide forums who opined that /noise/ has basically turned into a 24 hour Hospital dickriding session. They're not wrong.
>>65309000
trips don't lie. prurient is tumblr-core
>>65309082
my remarks are open to interpretation
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS FÅM
>>65309130
>They're not wrong
Except if anything the noise generals don't talk enough about anything at all. It's not a Prurient circlejerk, it's a link posting circlejerk peppered with screaming anti-bandcamp kids and arguing.
>>65309208
Fuck off
>>65309210
We must have been reading different noise generals.
>>65309238
>devastated dom is full damage control
>>65309177
Those dubs are open to checking.
reminder that prurient's music is entirely composed of altered FL studio presets
>>65309245
If you've got it in your mind that it's just Prurient, when you see Prurient discussion, you're going to see what you expect. The same thing goes for a lot of the "common" or popular noise artists. No discussion about concepts, just link posting and saying they liked a release. Discussion about Prurient here is far from a circlejerk - there's hardly any discussion at all.
>>65309260
Or maybe people don't like ironic memeposting you fucking child.
>>65309311
tbf, are there "discussions about concepts" in any other generals here on mu? /noise/ might have been guilty of this but to which thread would you point to in regards of a more profound discussion of ideas?
>>65309311
>Or maybe people don't like ironic memeposting you fucking child.
>being this angry over nothing
Honest to God, who is being ironic? Are you projecting?
Chondritic Sound is a highly prolific label. If Dom and Greh Holger have beef then it's something that warrants acknowledgement. Why are you being such a fucking pussy lol.
>>65309408
Noisebeefs are super important and consequential and worth looking into
I remember that thread
>>65309408
You you fucking moron.
>HURR WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS
>SENPAI
Nobody's upset about your image you mongoloid. Go back to Facebook.
prurient should have called it quits after rose pillar
almost everything he's done since then has been increasingly distasteful
>>65309208
this fat fuck never sent me my jason crumer lathe nor my steel trap tapes, fuck him
and he's one to talk about poserdom with all that lame trendy EBM shit he's been doing and how much he's mingling with those insufferable posh isolation fuckheads
>>65309382
Comparisons to other generals here is not the point nor does it change the quality assessment of a specific one.
>>65309270
uknoit boo
>>65309425
hell ya, cunt
>>65309442
Holy fuck, this is too good.
Are you from the Special Interest forum? What the fuck are you doing here if you don't like memes? Jesus Christ man, drink some water or something.
>>65309464
I was under the impression that him and Loke had a falling out of sorts.
If you're missing an order you should just email him.
I love Prurient's stuff under his other names and all of Prurient's work besides that recent album. I don't understand how anyone can like that. Every track sounds way too similar and it's soooo long.
>>65309501
Kill yourself you cancerous newfag
>>65309516
>instantly triggered by WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS
>I'm the newfag
Is thee something wrong with you? What is wrong with you?
>>65309464
what's wrong with Posh Isolation?
>>65309509
there were at least 3 more recent releases after FNF, which don't sound remotely like it, maybe check them out?
>>65309000
Yeah, that was me!
Here's everything, I actually saved it all. I'm writing my dissertation right now, and there is a chapter on the importance of multimedia in music, where I refer to Fernow a lot. Here's some of what I typed myself and also saved:
1/4
Fernow's own body of work as an artist should speak for itself. The amount of variety on display throughout it in terms of sound, motivation, inspiration and goal is intimidating; he absolutely refuses to get comfortable. As a visual artist, as a sound artist, as a concept artist; as someone bringing all these elements together into multifaceted final works, his vision is as imaginative and layered as it is experienced and skilled on a purely technical level. Most people are yet to realise just how influential and important quite a few Prurient albums are.
Prurient releases work fantastically well as manifestations of both vision and craft, and are utterly idiosyncratic. He operates in a space that's both emotionally resonant, conceptually and theoretically developed, technically accomplished, and impactful on a purely visceral level. Most artists can't juggle all that at once; they just settle for one field and stick with it.
>>65309464
>this fat fuck never sent me my jason crumer lathe nor my steel trap tapes, fuck him
What's up ripped off by Grehfriend
Eventually got a copy of the Jencks lathe direct from Ryan but I don't think ANYBODY got the Crumer lathe (aside from whoever just unloaded one on discogs for $110)
>>65309584
2/4
Frankly, he has pioneered multimedia, extramusicality - or as he puts it; "content" in music. He doesn't see himself as a musician, but rather an artist using sound as part of a greater collage project. NOTHING is wasted on a Prurient release. Every track title, lyric, image, text, packaging is crucial, and all of those elements work together to create something greater than the sum of it's parts. I’ve never seen anyone pull of concept/content so powerfully in music, let alone emphasise it - vocally in interviews, too, at that - so much.
That, and the vast majority of his releases are so intensely personal in their content that it is mesmerising for me that he actually has the balls to release them. Buy a copy of Rose Pillar to see this for yourself. As for live performances, the energy and sheer enthusiasm is second to none. He is the epitome of an artist that gives everything his all.
>>65309606
3/4
His label Hospital is probably *the* noise label and he's curated it entirely himself, founding it at age 16 entirely from scratch and successfully making it his goal to be involved with the majority of the most important names in the genre. Pick any big-name US noise artist and you can draw a line connecting them and Fernow in some way - he'll either toured/performed with them, have a split release, a design/production credit somewhere on a release, or at the very least a namedrop.
His curatorial approach with Hospital has done wonders to shatter various preconceptions about how all the tiny niches making up the wider noise sphere should relate to each other, with a total blurring of the lines between what is supposed to be "intelligent and sophisticated art noise" and "lowly vulgar extreme noise”. Fernow’s own Prurient project itself has done the same. Hospital ignored this supposed barrier between the two in favour of just releasing genuinely forward-thinking, strongly individual work which was still the product of intelligent minds, regardless of whether it came from the art school or the underground, and regardless of whether its source of inspiration came from GRM or extreme pornography.
>>65309000
Prurient may be a decent fanboy, curator, and patron of the art; however, I can't take him seriously. He's certainly prolific, but his work always seems to suffer from that very fact -- it's shamelessly perfunctory (yeah, yeah, I'm sure he can weave a snappy artist statement to justify it).
Also, the whole po-faced, prince of darkness thing comes off as extremely juvenile and corny. But then again, I suppose it's befitting of someone who dedicates most of their time to creating cacophonous ear-bleeding noise... so extreme!
>but...what about the visceral psychoacoustics?!?
I believe Kevin Drumm has more artistic integrity, and is ultimately a much more important Noise/sound-artist. Although, I think his work suffers from some of the same things.
>>65309546
Had this conversation a couple days ago. Copying and pasting this random anons reply >>65237846
"Posh Isolation is pretty much the Burger Records of left-field electronic music. The comment about them being trend-chasers is pretty on point too, seeing them jump from one fad to another every year has been pretty funny."
I think the main issue people cop with Loke is that he looks like a huge faggot and is fairly apparently concerned with relevance in the whole bubblegum industrial trend, what have you.
I personally think he's put out some good music, but I can see why it would leave a sour taste in peoples' mouths
>>65309618
Additionally, the now sadly defunct Hospital record store and distro's importance as a wide-ranging point of connection between the wider international noise scene cannot be understated. In that regard, the only other upstart presence in 2000s noise which held as much importance was Carlos Giffoni’s No Fun Fest, compared to longer-running institutions like Ron Lessard’s RRRecords.
>>65309501
>If you're missing an order you should just email him.
Fuck man, it's that easy? Maybe I should just email him about it the fifth time and he'll actually do it
>>65309647
thanks a bunch anon, I'm gonna post this on a forum where people are discussing Prurient, do you have a blog or a twitter account or something so I can give you credit
>>65309584
Although I enjoy most of Prurient's work, I still don't get why you focus so much on him. Maybe he's your favorite artist but giving that much of a spotlight without mentioning any other big artists, mailorders and labels seems as if he's the only driving force in noise. He's pushing boundaries by trying to appeal to a broader audience, why you don't address this aspect as well?
>>65309665
Dunno what to tell you.
I've never had any problems with him. Try tweeting him? He's a nice guy fr.
Hospital a shit. Posh Isolation a shit.
Post some underrated labels.
>>65309501
>If you're missing an order you should just email him.
this was years ago and i wasn't the only person shafted with those releases, IIRC not a single person who placed an order received that crumer single.
greh being sloppy and dishonest is hardly a rare occurrence. haven't placed an order with CS since.
>>65309628
>Also, the whole po-faced, prince of darkness thing comes off as extremely juvenile and corny.
my opinions on his recent shit aside, dom has been totally friendly and down to earth every time i met him. he doesn't take himself as seriously as his records might suggest.
>>65309698
>I don't get why you focus so much on him
Dominick Fernow is an extremely ambitious Type-A -- these types always get the attention, whether they deserve it or not. It's kind of like how political extremists may not always be right (they rarely are), but they scream the loudest, and therefore generate the most attention.
>>65309777
It's gonna sound like I'm viraling, but honest, I think he runs a completely different operation these days.
I've never had any problems with submitted orders.
>>65309686
That's awesome. You don't need to credit me or anything, man. Thanks though.
>>65309698
It's mostly about how he sees Prurient as a collage project where every element is of equal importance. The focus on my dissertation is arguing that Michel Chion's theory of Audiovision can be applied to music, therefore Dom's work will be a crucial example, because he pretty much nails that theory; whereby visual media and audio media reinforce each other to create something larger than the sum of it's parts.
The fact that he has been so vocal about this in interviews is super, super useful, because I can reference his writing a lot.
I'm focusing a lot on other artists and labels as well, of course. I have huge sections of notes on The Haters and The New Blockaders also who use noise - and by extension audio - as a means to an end, too. In fact my writing on The Haters is twice as big as that on Fernow. But yeah, like you said, I'm also going to mention that he began "making the music rather than pasting it in" from Bermuda Drain onwards.
>>65309808
This is also true, lol.
>>65309501
>I was under the impression that him and Loke had a falling out of sorts.
know anything more about this? noise scene gossip is always good fun.
>>65309600
yeah i promised myself i wasn't gonna get any more chondritic shit after that whole crumer debacle but the steel trap lineup was too good to pass up and i figured he might have gotten his shit together in two years' time.
fool me once and all that.
All of this politics in noise discussion is really really fucking stupid.
>>65309777
>he doesn't take himself as seriously as his records might suggest.
Well I don't know him; regardless, the way he crafts his image isn't all that different from some an angsty, Black Metal Darklord. It's just toned down a bit.
>>65309901
Great argument. Care to elaborate?
>>65309910
Does that mean you let image influence your opinion of the actual music?
>>65309948
When the image seems to be nearly as important as the music, itself, yes. And in this case, I believe it's very melodramatic in it's application of dark and gloomy aesthetics.
>>65309941
Oh I don't know, arguing in circlejerks about who's the better noise artist or label and why one is more important or more relevant or more pretentious and reaching no meaningful conclusion detracts from any decent discussion about the sound or concept of artists. It's a circlejerk at its finest and has no substance to it. It's just dogs barking around about shit that doesn't even matter.
>>65309897
>know anything about this?
No, unfortunately.
https://twitter.com/chondriticsound/status/698365358575464448
Read the thread.
I forget why, but there was something in the press to indicate to me at the time that he was talking about Loke, which would kind of make sense considering what's being said.
And yes, I love noisebeef too.
>>65309274
This is outright false by the way
Recently when performing he triggers samples through Ableton, which seems kind of lazy, but that's pretty much the extent of software. 75% of FNF was a Sherman Filterbank, and the remainder was Kris Lapke and Arthur Rizk fucking with stuff in Pro Tools.
>>65309628
>>65309910
I see your point. It's coming from a genuine place, though.
It took me fucking ages to "get" Prurient. The whole romanticism of it is a big appeal for me, but the clincher was reading that he actually wants it to be uncomfortable in every sense - melodrama included - in order to get under your skin. It's very unapologetic and I think there's something sincere about that. It's all too easy to simply label it edgy and move on, which does his work a huge disservice.
>>65310033
this post might indicate the real downfall of /noise/; there are just too many opinions of what should be actually discussed and what not, maybe it would be better not insisting on the everyone else addressing the issues relevant to oneself but rather bringing up an own point and contributing
>>65310033
Uh oh... sounds like someone watched a few UG Krishnamurti videos on youtube.
I mostly agree with you tho, and if you'd read the thread, you'd have seen that the discussion was going in that direction.
>>65310153
The real downfall of /noise; proper European noise guy.
>>65310153
People did & it didn't work. That said, the bitterness about /noise/ is painfully overdone. Its a fucking thread on /mu/, get over it.
>>65310288
>Its a fucking thread on /mu/, get over it.
This is just the kind of logic to come from someone who doesn't actually care about the integrity of a discussion topic. Everyone, you included, has standards they wish to live up to in discussion. This is not a strange occurrence, and no, all of 4chan is not a lol random shitposting hole - we can care about thread quality as much as anyone else.
>>65309274
fl studio is underrated for noise desu you can just harmor + hardcore + maximus shit into oblivion and pass it off as analog and people will believe you
>>65310131
>It's all too easy to simply label it edgy and move on, which does his work a huge disservice
As difficult as it is sometimes, I try not to take that kind of reductionist approach; nevertheless, I believe that regardless of whether it's jovial or gloomy, it seems slightly contrived.
That said, it IS unfortunate when artists are marginalized when they choose to focus on grim subject matter. In the end, one can't possibly know the true motives behind someone's artwork... I can only make an educated guess lol
>>65310362
>>65309516
samefag
You might have autism btw.
>>65310387
Great rebuttal
>>65309749
Autarkeia
iDEAL Recordings
Release The Bats
Harsh Head Rituals
Janushoved ;^)
>>65310414
Just know that you're the guys that killed /noise/ with all your bitching. Discussion / recs got slightly diluted at worst and you fucking sperg pieces of shit wouldn't shut up about it and you ruined the whole general.
Congratulations, faggot.
>>65310288
these were the only threads I usually visited when on mu, it was a chill place to hang out and occasionally post something, I never took it seriously at all. But recently there were always some annoying meta-discussions, shitposters and other arguing which lead to empty threads or none created at all. People got discouraged way to easily just because these threads didn't go down the way they wanted.
>>65310453
>Harsh Head Rituals
hhr and ljud & bild were wonderful labels. never 4get.
I Dischi Del Barone is shaping up to be quite good too
Matthias Andersson is the fucking man
>>65310522
Yeah
They're not quite as dead as some other labels though, Dan is always up to something.
>>65310370
i use sakura & biohazard desu
So, favourite releases?
I'd have to go for;
>Fossil
>s/t
>Trapdoor
>Rubber Bullets
>The Golden Chamber
>Rose Pillar
>Annihilationist
>Lily Of The Valley / Return Of Happiness
>Black Vase
>Point And Void
Pic-related is much more worthy of your attention...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tL-fohhu_FI
>>65310868
i absolutely adore KD but to claim he's "more worthy" than fernow is shitting on them both
if anything they occupy the same tier with regards to artistic merit, or whatever you're arguing. the difference being KD is more academic while dom guwop is a violent romantic
>>65310868
>>65310937
also you should listen to their split album if you haven't already
incredible, evocative stuff
>>65310937
>the difference being KD is more academic while dom guwop is a violent romantic
I can't argue with that. But I prefer the academic approach over the theatrical.
>>65310975
It wasnt bad, but there are loads of Drumm's collaborations that i'd rather listen to. I thought Fernow's heavy handedness was the most pronounced, and so the intent seemed more of a deliberate attempt to sound spoopy.
does anyone actually know where the whole "dom guwop" thing came from?
>>65309130
damn...
i think i deleted pruerints album
its only
merzbow,
boredoms
now
