How were the people from olden timey days such good composers?
I don't think people were very hot on Bach when he was alive. They thought he was a good organist but not much of a great composer.
>>65265583
Cause they bled over their music. Raised as proteges, highly renowned and respected by royalty and society, and saw music as the epitome of intellectual and religious experience.
>>65265848
Excuse me, prodigies.
Cuz we only remember the best of the best of that time.
>>65265761
Yeah, that's why royalty TOTALLY NEVER commissioned compositions from him.
>>65265761
>B-b-b-but Bach wasn't popular when he was alive.
Hipsterfag spotted
>>65265583
People like Bach and Mozart Were prodigies, they could understand, visualize music and express it in ways normal people can't even begin to understand
That being said they were the best of the best, like other anons have said history, and the nature of classical music have filtered out 99% of music from the 15th-19th centuries and only the absolute best got remembered
The other thing to keep in mind is the social context in which they were making music, that kind of classical music was only heard by and perfomed for the elite, everyday people enjoyed music but it was totally alien to the stuff the greats were composing
Today that context doesn't really exist and there is no high ideal that musicians and artists are aspiring to, they just make what they enjoy or what other people will buy there isn't any elite to make music for anymore so insanely complex orchestral music isn't a thing anymore
>>65265921
Who is some underrated classic kino or are you just saying that?
The idea of latent talent is how a lot of art historians explain the level of artistic achievement during the renaissance. The talent was/is always there but cultural factors determine whether the talent will be nurtured.
For a brief period, patronage was widely available and being an artist carried a level of prestige that attracted intelligent/gifted/hard working people to it. The philosophical and spiritual/religious message also provided an uncommon motivating force for the artists, not creating strictly for themselves or for money, but for an omnipotent entity they were trying to please.
When's the last time you heard a modern artist/musician describing their work as a conduit to god? Naive or not, that kind of passion is sorely missed.
>>65266164
That makes me sad. How can we change it so that musicians will strive harder to be great?
>>65265583
Knowledge and hard work.
Its pretty simple really. If you learn counterpoint and form, and work really hard at writing music, you will create great music (especially if you're just sticking to tonal music)
>>65266164
Both Bach and Mozart were from heavily musical families, and had music drummed into them from day 1. Bach wasn't really a prodigy, he just worked damn hard at his music. Both Mozart and his sister were taught music from a very young age, and toured and performed all through their childhoods. Their parents essentially sacrificed a normal childhood for music knowledge and experience.
>Today that context doesn't really exist and there is no high ideal that musicians and artists are aspiring to
you dont know what you're talking about. Pretty much everything in this statement is incorrect. There are still high ideals in classical music, and people will look down on you if you write something thats not up to scratch. There isn't so much an "elite" to make music for (although rich patrons still exist) but moreso grants and community projects and commisions.
Insanely complex orchestral music is still very much a thing.
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxbpF_aW4vU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRr-tTEpfw
>>65266215
>When's the last time you heard a modern artist/musician describing their work as a conduit to god?
Arvo Part and John Tavener are good examples. There are many, even today.
by learning music theory, practicing it to hell and then trying to break the rules while still making it sound good
because only the best of the best are remembered centuries later
>>65265877
it worked anyways
>>65266177
that user clearly doesn't know anything about music history or how we document the baroque period
