How great of an art form is music?
Music isn't art.
Music is the highest, purest artform because it is more or less incomprehensible, totally interpretive.
Also Pet Sounds isn't the best you retard.
>>65250309
Music is the Art
>>65250309
Anything is art
Replied/10 b8
>>65250323
why didn't you call out ocarina of shit
the best
>>65250323
It is actually.
>>65250333
Except vidya
>>65250357
0/10
>>65250357
this
>>65250354
No it fucking isn't.
>>65250340
Videogames aren't art.
pet sounds is the only questionable ambassador for it's respective art form in the OP
OK Computer is a better shout
>Ulysses
Meant Zeno's Coscience?
>Citizen Kane
Meant The Mirror?
>Pet Sounds
Meant The Four Seasons?
>Ocarina of Time
Meant Sons of Liberty?
>>65250421
ocarina of time is better than sons of liberty though bruh
>>65250398
>OK Computer is a better shout
Please spend more time on /mu/ before posting.
>>65250421
>Meant The Four Seasons?
Not even best Vivaldi.
>>65250398
>I just listened to everything on the /mu/core chart and now I'm a music expert: the post
>>65250395
Yes it is. Get your head out of your ass
>>65250490
>PULCINELLA
>A POOR ATTEMPT AT NEOCLASSICISM BY A HACK COMPOSER IS BETTER THAN FUCKING BEETHOVEN #3
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
honestly, out of all those categories, literature might be the lowest form of art
think about it: it's the most limited; all it has are words
no music, no images, just combinations of words
it's completely limited by the native language of the reader
I write this as a guy who majored in English Lit
>>65250515
>Tfw pet sounds and pulcinella is better
>>65250541
Yeah but it's literally the most important of them all.
>>65250541
Pretty good point. It basically wins by default though for how developed it is compared to all the others, but pure literature is the hardest to connect to on a basic level.
>>65250556
Great argument kid.
Go to bed.
>>65250298
>ocarina of time
fucking hell thats embarassing
I haven't read this thread but you're all wrong
>>65250596
It is.
You mad.
>>65250598
What's better? Serious question.
>>65250298
It's probably the best one, though the fact that formulaic pop music can be quite compelling makes it look bad sometimes. Literature is the only real competition for the no1 spot.
>>65250541
>no images
Plenty of books have images.
>Citizen Kane
Give me some Orson Welles-core /mu/
>>65250683
Da brain.
>>65250395
>1st symphony
nice b8
also to answer the op. music is pretty cool I guess.
tell me this ain't the tightest shit you've heard in the last 5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQlyHbu0zz4
>>65250715
You made it way worse.
>>65250776
>>rock bottom worse than pet sounds
but is
OK
HERE WE GO
GOD I HATE TOPSTERS2 BARELY EVEN WORKS
>>65250799
You really think Steinbeck's the best author so far?
>>65250541
By your standards videogames are the highest form of art. If you want to you can define the best artform as the one that has the least limitations but honestly at the end of the day the whole discussion about what art is or what art isn't is arbitrary. Personally, I consider books the highest form of art since I get the most out of that.
>>65250799
You made it worse.
Please stop adding classical.
It's not music.
>>65250819
Not really, I just barely know Romantic literature and I don't think Ulysses should be there.
But I do love Steinbeck.
>>65250776
all of them are shite
>>65250829
>Please stop adding classical.
>It's not music.
Almost fell for it.
>Literature is the highest form of art.
>No! It is obviously music! It is the soul's vent!
>You talk about venting but forget the visual arts?
>I beg to differ, but film is more engaging than either this nor that.
>What about architecture? Wouldn't you like to situate yourself "inside" a piece of art?
...what about a synthesis of arts?
>>65250833
I don't see the appeal. The Grapes of Wrath was way longer than it needed to be, though Of Mice and Men was good.
Lit choice should be Hamlet, in my opinion.
>>65250357
>>65250885
Yeah but I always get torn up about theatre vs literature
>>65250298
4th
1) literature
2) printed art
3) music
4) film
All forms of art are equal, except dance.
>>65250931
kek
though I think film should be Interstellar and music should be TPAB
>>65250833
Ulysses or Hamlet are the only real obvious choices though
>>65250975
Ulysses is like having Schoenberg/Webern there
It's being ignorant of the past
and I already said I'm just not sure about the division between theatre and literature
>>65250298
>video recording some old dudes talking shit on gay people
>art
WAIT OK I HAVE IT FIGURED OUT
>>65251019
>he doesn't see the joke
Speak for yourself redditor
>>65250941
Why TPAB?
It's good
Ranking on how artistic each medium is:
Literature > Music > Film > Vidya
The less commercial and more personal the medium is, the more artistic it is.
>>65251050
>it's good
Kendrick drains the music from his albums, it's all about the narrative he's speaking, not the music.
There's never a good musical feature, there's never really a moment of production that is particularly musically inspired, it's just all filler for his writing.
>>65251073
>not the music
>>65251150
>he likes Fantano
Oh, no wonder you have such terrible taste.
>>65251073
Why don't you people pick on Bob Dylan for doing this same thing? Sometimes lyrics are important in music. Also, me and many others enjoy the music in TPAB.
>>65251207
I DO pick on Bob Dylan. Lyrics are not important in music. As long as the music is compelling the lyrics don't matter.
>>65251073
>implying
>m
>p
>l
>y
>i
>n
>g
>>65251230
This is true, but that doesn't mean music that focuses on lyrics is inferior. A flute is insignifigant in music - you can easily write music without one. But that doesn't music with a flute part is inferior.
>>65251200
>Most populor music critic
>Has shitty taste
yeah.....it Doesn't work like that
Judy hops: oh well. The ignorance of some people
Yeah. Right judy.
Judy hops: yeah..
>>65251294
>that doesn't mean music that focuses on lyrics is inferior
Perhaps not. Music that focuses on lyrics is, however, inferior.
>>65250821
>By your standards videogames are the highest form of art.
They COULD be. They are too recent to be amazing though
>>65251342
>implying
>m
>p
>l
>y
>i
>n
>g
opinions in general are shit
>>65250644
tetris
>>65250298
replace Ulysses with Sun Also Rises and fucking video games with visual art tho
>>65250323
>>65250541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__U_5dsHIQ
>>65251470
Video games are art.
What kind of shit would brian be making if he was in his 20s today???
>>65250395
>beethoven
nice b8
>>65251558
The writings are abstract to other cultures but within the cultures they have concrete meaning.
It's not like with music where a concert C scale is still just as untouchably mysterious as any other.
>>65251682
>your post
nice b8
>>65251576
There is not a single videogame which compares to any other art.form
>>65250421
t. guy who never read Joyce
>>65250644
DOOM, EarthBound, Rome: Total War, Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Tetris, Civilization 2, Mario Party 2, Super Smash Bros. Melee, just to name a few.
>>65250459
>not even best Vivaldi.
t. contrarian
>>65250541
You are only so acutely aware of its limitations because you are familiar with it in general. You'd probably say something similar about painting if you were a painter
>>65250298
>the "im 15 and im suuuuper into art xD" starter pack
>>65250421
bruh Andrei Rublev > any other Tarkovsky dont deny
>>65251715
>beethoven
>not entry level classical
>>65250876
Film>all
It's literally music, theater, visual arts and literature in one, in addition to its own unique tools
>>65251911
>Still from a film of a man pointing.jpg
>>65251815
t. person who hasn't heard anything other than the four seasons
>>65251905
t. person who doesn't listen to classical music
>>65251783
>Tetris
>Mario party 2
>melee
out of all games you pick those as art
>>65250644
call of duty ghosts
>>65252034
t. someone who hasn't listened to Bach, Langgaard, or Machaut. Also The Four Seasons is the best Vivaldi.
>>65252034
Four Seasons is by far the best from him.
>>65252048
All three are exhilarating, extremely fun games.
>>65252048
>>melee
while i could agree that video games as a whole really aren't art, you have to admit that it's impressive how fast some people play melee, as well as how far the game has been pushed from a party game to one of the most mechanically advanced fighting games of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vyBV94K4SE
best chart coming in
>>65252209
read more books
watch more movies
>>65252244
Let's see your chart then.
>>65252129
>>65252143
I've listened to all of them, Tempesta di Mare is a better violin and flute concerto.
>>65252244
>read more books
get more existential
>>65251073
are u serious
>>65252251
>Books
The Tunnel
The Recognitions
Brothers Karamazov
The Cantos
The Bridge
>Film
夢 (1990, Kurosawa)
This Night (1965, Fassbinder)
La morte d'Isotta (1968, Schröter)
Reassemblage (1982, Minh Hà)
Кpaдeцът нa пpacкoви (1964, Radev)
โรงแรมนรก (1957, Pestonji)
قمران وزيتونة (2001, Abdelhamid)
¾إشآ (1984, Zhuangzhuang)
Ocْنeيè ؤyّè (1975, Radev)
Three Kings (1999, Russell)
>Movies
دècüىa ى¸pٍâoمo ÷eëoâeêa (1986, Lopushansky)
Un condamné à mort s'est échappé (1956, Bresson)
Guns of The Trees (1961, Mekas)
Love Streams (1984, Cassavetes)
êôژX½ضةظؤêڑ¢بثتآ¼ (1991, Yang)
Duelle (1976, Rivette)
Alice in den Stنdten (1974, Wenders)
Le Rayon Vert (1986, Rohmer)
Սայաթ-Նովա (1968, Parajanov)
Mauvais Sang (1986, Carax)
>>65252340
Camus is literally mall existentialism. Read some Beckett or Dostoyevsky if you want the real deal.
you guys try too hard to be unique and special
>>65252476
holy shit
>>65252490
t. pleb trying his hardest to be like everyone else
>>65252520
I dunno guy, everyone on this board tries so hard to be unique from one another, they just end up looking the same
>>65252309
okay, contrarian
>>65252168
Some videogames resemble sports more than art.
>>65252476
This is actually a pretty solid list.
Lit is probs the highest, but videogames has the greatest potential. It's unlikely that it will be realized anytime soon though.
>>65252048
i would consider melee to be art, with its trophies and soundtrack. also, if martial arts are a thing, i dont see why you couldnt see melee as an art.
>>65252589
It's Such a Beautiful Day is probably peak of animation desu
>>65252589
>Lisa
>Memefeldt
yikes
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE VIDEOGAME WHICH CAN COMPARE TO OTHER ARTFORMS
END OF DISCUSSION
>>65252476
>this meme again
this is the future we chose /tv/
>>65252476
The books list is solid. Movies are a disaster though.
>>65252653
>I have watched less than a third of those movies
ftfy*
>>65252676
nice way of defending yourself familia
>>65252676
Movies are for plebs and braindead people though.
>>65252703
describe the final scene of any of those radev, lopushansky, minh há or zhuangzhuang movies
>>65252627
Pathologic, I guess.
But this is a shitposting thread, anyway.
>>65250421
>a lame Joyce rip off that was only popular because of Joyce is better than Ulysses
Pls stop.
>>65252621
I love it, but I love collage-y things
>>65252625
Lisa is a great game, and Hertzfeldt is hit-or-miss.
>>65252720
t. embryo
>>65252765
How so?
>>65250829
>Please stop adding classical.
>it's not music.
this fucking board I swear
The Simpsons (season 2-6) is greatest tv show/film desu
Begotten is the best film of all time.
>>65250298
>>65250309
>>65250333
Art is something that communicates to you with human senses
>>65252476
>film
>movies
>>65250829
Let's see your top 50 chart boi.
>>65252947
Film:
Pulp fiction
Book:
Lol
Music:
White light / white heat
Game:
Doom or cod 4
imagine of visual art was marketed like music
you'd have genres like appletree
just loads of the same fucking picture of different apple trees
that's what most music is actually like, just these tiny deviations
like it's considered really daring to have an apple tree with strawberries growing under it
>>65250421
you have amazingly shit taste man. kys
>>65252869
>he thinks the dictionary writers should decide what art is
Pure ideology
>art
>>65253480
>Book:
>Lol
>cod 4
kys
>>65250897
>4th
>film
one job famon
>>65252960
>Quake 3
My man
>>65253926
Underrated comment
little sister edition
>>65254352
how little?
>>65254352
>CS:GO player
>girl
Try again friendo
>>65253598
>thinks people who define words should define a word
i know, crazy
>>65251230
shitty lyrics can be distracting if they're bad enough
its usually when a stupid person tries to get deep
>>65251783
yoshis island and EB are only acceptable.
>>65257071
Shit taste famicom
>>65250298
There is no highest form of art, the way in which the four mediums displayed in the OP image do things in such radically different ways, that to compare them and figure out which is the "highest", is a fool's errand. The only point of these conversations is to claim that your favorite medium is the best one and that you are better than people who have a different favorite medium. It's a pathetic cock-measuring contest.
>>65250541
Except language is the basis of all thought, and it is not limited by technology, only by the imagination of the creator and the interpreter. If anything it's the least limited.
not that great
>>65251558
This is just a word salad and the same sort of vagueries can be used to argue music or film.
>>65252627
Sons of Liberty is pretty much the greatest use of the dynamic of the player playing the role of the protagonist. You expect to play as the badass action hero Snake, then you are forced to play as the wimpy Raiden, who over time develops into this role. Then they reveal that everything was just a exercise in control of people and information.
So we have decided the pieces that constitute absolute kinography and absolute elektroakustika.
What are examples of absolute jouabilité?
>>65257864
chess, starcraft, cs:go
>>65250309
I know this was meant as bait but it is actually right.
>>65257018
DID THE MAN WHO INVENTED COLLEGE
>>65257100
>Trying hard to sound smart.
Miles Davis
Arvo Part
King Crimson
Beyonce
How could music not be art?
>>65258276
Your lineup got progressively worse from top to bottom.
>>65258314
Pretty big drop from 3 to 4
>>65258267
got em
>>65253553
that's actually pretty cool observation anon
it's the whole 90 percent rule really. There's the innovators and then the rest.
>>65258267
He's right though
>>65258314
I think you have that backwards.
>>65257725
what is this? the best selling worldwide?
>>65258432
I think you have that forwards.
>>65258314
>he's only listened to ITCOTCK
>>65251617
Melodramatic symphonies.
it's alright. Pretty garbage compared to almost everything else, but I like it
>>65252476
/tv/ pls stop
>>65253553
>like it's considered really daring to have an apple tree with strawberries growing under it
something something no one worth their salt thinks genre fusions are the most innovating thing ever something something
something something innovate art isn't the only good art something something
>It's another people list existential rubbish thread.
>>65250357
why?
>>65250541
Relatively short, somewhat original, and stupid as hell. Three ingredients for good b8.
Can any of the people who say video games absolutely cannot be art explain WHY?
>>65259811
Playing devil's advocate. I personally think games can be art, but we'll need the community to not implode on itself with shit like GamerGate ever again.
Anyway, I believe that a common argument on 4chan is that most things that we firmly believe to art (film, music, literature, etc.) don't have to have clearly-defined goals, i.e. they are open to possibly several different interpretations. Video games possessing Game Over/You Died/You Failed/whatever screens mitigate what could be seen as a possible interpretation. Conversely, having a You Win screen and then rolling credits could possibly been seen as the only interpretation.
Also, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_games_as_an_art_form#Theory_of_legitimation
>>65260067
I don't see why that has anything to do with whether or not it is art. In fact many video games allow different players to have vastly different experiences, especially open-world games which generally allow the player to create their own goals.
>>65260173
also meant to add, I have read the full Roger Ebert article and what he said was crap. not only was he arguing on an almost entirely subjective level, but his reasoning was basically "these games have bad graphics compared to these films which are beautifully shot." Maybe back then he had a point but I wonder what he would think of the games we have today.
>>65260173
>>65260214
Eh, I'm possibly misinterpreting something, but that's pretty much the "best" reason I've picked up on a handful of boards whenever the topic's come up (/a/, /b/, /lit/, /qa/ & /tv/, iirc). Granted, there's several games that counter what I said.
>>65260067
I think video games do have potential as an artistic medium but the fanbase is what's holding it back. People care too much about gameplay so whenever anything experimental is tried some people will complain they wasted money. Also people can't get irrationally mad at things like feminist critiques on games when that sort of analysis is pretty important in taking it seriously as art.
>>65260262
I mean a lot of musicians from classical to jazz to rock made their music with the intent to represent or express specific things, whether it was an emotion or a person or a holiday or a religion...but the listener can take something different from it, just like many people can play the same video game and have vastly different experiences.
>>65260291
How can you say this when music fans are exactly the same in a lot of ways? /mu/ flips their shit over "SJWs" and stuff like that almost as much as /v/.
>>65260342
It happens, sure, but not nearly to the same degree.
>>65250323
Nor are Ulysses, Citizen Kane and Ocarina.
>>65260291
>I think video games do have potential as an artistic medium but the fanbase is what's holding it back. People care too much about gameplay so whenever anything experimental is tried some people will complain they wasted money.
This is absolutely true. Too many manchildren who want video games to stay the way they were in the 80s, not realising that they were that way due to technical limitations.
>>65260432
>>65260404
there are just as many people who "love" music but are against anything that deviates from pop conventions. people who are "music fans" but only listen to popular music.
Arthur Rimbaud - Les Illuminations
Justice - Cross
Kubrick - 2001
Journey
>>65260291
>people care too much about gameplay
I'm sorry but if the game is being "artistic" outside of gameplay then it has failed as a video game.
There are games that exist that manage to be artistically satisfying while having great gameplay, such as Dark Souls. Shit like Life is Strange need not apply.
>>65260455
Yeah, but there are enough people working in the music industry to accommodate both sides. For video games it's basically do what everyone has always done and make guaranteed cash, or try something experimental with a high chance of failure. There is no both, and that's the problem.
>>65260525
How do you define gameplay? If there's any interaction, there's gameplay. Forcing everything to be a "game" is only hindering it.
>>65260593
If the interaction is shallow "look at this object" gameplay then it's not interesting and is poorly designed.
>>65260593
>try something experimental with a high chance of failure. There is no both, and that's the problem.
I see your point but there are exceptions, what about the recent Undertale for example? that game was pretty innovative in terms of the story and how you make choices relating to the characters, it also was very powerful emotionally, it was made on a low budget, it had a great soundtrack, and it received a ton of acclaim from both fans and critics, pretty sure it has become one of the best-selling indie games ever.
it's a shame that for a lot of people it has gained a reputation as a meme/tumblr/furry game, but that's what happens when something gets super popular, you get a lot of people dedicated to bringing it down.
The greatest. It can be appreciated anywhere.
>Citizen Kane
>OoT
lmaoing @ your life
The other 2 have atleast some merit
Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time, but has been succeeded and is nowhere close to the top
As for video games >>65250421 is right, MGS2 is the only video game I'd consider a masterwork
>>65250323
>it is more or less incomprehensible, totally interpretive.
So, like Ulysses?
>>65261292
Ulysses isn't incomprehensible. Finnegans Wake on the other hand...
>>65250298
Does it really matter what is and isn't art? Why not enjoy something for what it is?
>>65261426
pretentious people feel the need to justify their hobbies to strangers
>>65261426
I think the distinction between art and entertainment is important to keep in mind. Entertainment is distraction (this isn't a bad thing) and Art is confrontation of various themes found in human existence. One is challenging and encourages growth (this doesn't exclude it from being fun while doing so) and the other is just fun, with little in the way of challenging content or expansion of the mind.
>>65261426
Stop being retarded
XD
