What are some other albums only newfags like?
name ten better albums this year
>>65150325
Andy Stott - TMV
Mark Pritchard - UTS
Autechre - elseq
Waclaw Zimpel - Lines
zeitkratzer & Keiji Haino - Stockhausen
Leon Vynehall - Rojus
Kaytranada - 99.9%
Jessy Lanza - Oh No
Vijay Iyer & Wadada Leo Smith - ACR
Brian Eno - The Ship
>>65150261
outside the submarine under the sky
>>65150334
>>65150332
IM NOT FUCKGN NEWFFAG AND I LIKE THAT ALBUM FUCK OFF!!!!
>>65150356
>zeitkratzer & Keiji Haino - Stockhausen
The fuck is your problem, dude?
>>65150373
You didn't like it...? Why not?
>>65150356
>zeitkratzer & Keiji Haino - Stockhausen
starting now
really sucks so far
its literally just one note with 2spooky moaning
A the edge of a dock, a woman in a red dress with a drum over her head lifts her arm forwards. A nearby swimmer joins her, lifting his arm in a similar manner.
>>65150394
I loved it.
>>65150394
its just sounds like some gook making vomit noises over a single sustained note
I mean to each their own but this isnt inherently better than amsp
>>65150395
>>65150422
>Radiohead's pathetic pop ballads with no energy or creativity are better than avantgarde classical music
Read the OP
I bet you've never even looked at a Stockhausen score.
>>65150433
that first song had absolutely zero energy or creativity. It was literally one note.
oh great more vomit noises
>>65150421
Well at least there's one patrician.
You're probably the one person who agrees with my taste on RYM though so oh well.
>>65150453
What classical music have you heard before?
I'm not even going to ask specifically 20th century because I already know you've listened to little or none
>>65150465
what does it fucking matter? I was taking dates to carl orff ballets when I was 15 so the fuck what?
this is about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGZYX9m5I1c
vs amsp
so far this just sounds like the soundtrack I'd hear at a local carnival haunted house
>>65150511
It sounds like something you're unfamiliar with, because you're a newfag.
>>65150530
gimme a break I just finished the 2nd 'song" which ended with literal squeaking mouse noises
confirmed spook house tier
>>65150545
Confirmed newfag.
You didn't answer my question.
Name 10 classical compositions better than it in the 20th century (so no Eine Kleine dodging the question)
>>65150545
>spook house
Qué?
>>65150579
>You didn't answer my question.
yes I fucking did.
this is over. I've endured 22 minutes of 2spooky4me kiddycore and now I'm moving on to amsp
I'm a newfag (to /mu/ at least) and I made this album a meme.
>>65150637
You didn't name 10 compositions.
You fucking newfag.
You fucking redditor.
I bet you like Montie or are Montie.
>>65150459
What's your RYM?
>>65150667
>You didn't name 10 compositions.
that wasnt your question idiot
>You fucking newfag.
>You fucking redditor.
>I bet you like Montie or are Montie.
oh ouch
the first minute of amsp has more energy than that entire 22 minutes of literal vomiting
>>65150589
lmao
my thoughts exactly
will never be able to read that word in the same way
>>65150356
RA-drones are just as bad as p4k newfaggots
and the first song of amsp has just as much discordance as anything I just heard
amsp confirmed muscle flexing and haino confirmed squeaky mouse hiding in the shadows
>>65150687
>that wasnt your question idiot
see >>65150579
>the first minute of amsp has more energy than that entire 22 minutes of literal vomiting
Thom literally misses a fucking note because he's so fucking old
>>65150710
Has RA liked any of those I don't think they have
>>65150719
Hahaha what the fuck is "discordance" you retard?!
>>65150732
>Thom literally misses a fucking note
when
and I meant the end of the first amsp has as much discordance as that entire 22 minutes of haino
radiohead runs the room while haino crouches in the corner
>>65150742
>Hahaha what the fuck is "discordance" you retard?!
the end of the first song on amsp
>>65150751
The last note before the chorus, he just croaks it because he's an exhausted old man.
>>65150766
No what is it, definition wise?
What is discordance?
>>65150767
of what song?
>>65150800
The one you've fucking talked about for 10 minutes
>>65150823
he cracks the note. he doesn't miss it
>>65150873
Same fucking difference man, he's old and doesn't have the energy to sing anymore.
How old are you? When did you start browsing here? Why are you talking about shit you don't understand?
>>65150896
Why the fuck are you such an elitist bastard? Special snowflake idiot.
>>65150917
Didn't answer any of my question.
Is "elitist" what you call people who know more than you? The word used to be pretentious.
>>65150896
I'm not the one asking what fucking discordance means
and no it is not the same difference because he very obviously cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>>65150923
>I'm not the one asking what fucking discordance means
Which you never defined.
>and no it is not the same difference because he very obviously cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>cracks it to an octave not a scale.
>>65150922
I'm not even that guy. And you just keep proving my point.
>>65150942
you're reading shit you very obviously don't understand
go back to your vomiting and carnival fun house
If there's one thing this thread has proved it's that the only people who like AMSP are people who don't know any music outside of Pitchfork.
>>65150968
and how exactly did it prove that?
>>65150961
Where did you study music?
Me, OP:
>here's objective criteria in the music that makes it inferior
Plebbitor:
>N-N-NO LISTEN TO THE DISCORDANCE - IS THAT THE WORD I MEANT TO USE? FUCK IT - AND UH OCTAVES AND SCALES
>>65150579
>Name 10 classical compositions better than it in the 20th century
1. Morton Feldman - For Philip Guston
2. Schoenberg - String Quartet No. 2
3. Scelsi - String Quartet No. 1
4. Bartok - String Quartet No. 4
5. Scelsi - Uaxuctum
6. Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps
7. Webern - String Quartet
8. Schnittke - Symphony No. 1
9. Ligeti - Cello Concerto
10. Lutoslawski - Symphony No. 4
It's a widely publicized album that IMHO didn't deserve the hype
>>65150643
nah
>>65151039
>first one listed is Morton Feldman
>second one listed is baby's first Schoenberg
>third is fucking Scelsi
>fourth is Bartok's most memed quartet
>MORE FUCKING SCELSI
>sixth is the clearly inferior Messiaen
>seventh is the clearly inferior Webern string quartet
>SCHNITTKE FOR FUCK'S SAKE
>Ligeti and Lutoslawski
So how long have you browsed RYM? They didn't teach you much.
>>65151025
>- IS THAT THE WORD I MEANT TO USE?
how was that even implied? because I didnt spoon feed?
>AND UH OCTAVES AND SCALES
where talking about the accuracy of note cracking what the fuck do you want me to talk about? yes a note can be cracked in the scale. how the fuck else do you propose judging the accuracy?
>>65151073
>how was that even implied?
Maybe because discordance isn't a musical term and you have yet to define it.
>yes a note can be cracked in the scale.
Explain what the fuck you mean by this.
It's hard for me to understand kids who haven't studied music theory, since I actually know how to use those terms and you don't.
>>65151066
give me your 10 favorite pieces
>>65151084
yes it is. harmony...discordance wtf
ok then how the fuck is it judged that he "missed the note"? because he didnt. he cracked it. to an octave. it is literally done all the time by the most accomplished singers.
>>65150643
fuck you anon
>>65151085
In the 20th Century here's what I would have said is better than that Stockhausen
1. Schoenberg - String Quartet 3
2. Messiaen - Des Canyons aux Etoiles and/or Turangalila Symphonie
3. Webern - 5 Movements for String Quartet
4. Stockhausen - Gruppen
5. Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre
6. Birtwistle - Earth Dances
7. Carter - Variations for Orchestra
8. Debussy - La Mer
9. Ligeti - Requiem
10. Ferneyhough - La Terre est un Homme
These are VERY basic repertory
Top10 OAT though:
1. Gesualdo's 5th Book of Madrigals
2. Bach's Matthew Passion
3. Monteverdi's Vespers
4. Mozart's 41st symphony
5. Beethoven's 32nd piano sonata
6. Wagner's Tristan und Isolde
7. Ravel's La Tombeau de Couperin
8. Schoenberg's 3rd String Quartet
9. Webern's Symphony
10. Boulez's Le Marteau
>>65150356
the last brian eno is really mediocre though
>>65151117
>yes it is. harmony...discordance wtf
You mean DISSONANCE?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
Jesus Christ kid.
>he cracked it. to an octave.
Read this again:
>>65151084
>>65151173
The title track is shitty.
The suite is fantastic
Better than Radiohead
>>65151176
suck my fucking dick you fucking retard
>>65151187
Hahahaha says the kid who got BTFO
>>65151085
Not the guy you were replying to, but my God, you're such an idiot. The point of contemporary classical music is to innovate, not to be "good". The music is unlistenable in and of itself, the only quality it has is for another composer to wank over it. If you're not a composer yourself, which clearly you aren't, you're making a fool out of yourself by saying the music is "better" than anything else brought out this year.
It's literally impossible to enjoy music like that as "music", and by saying otherwise you make it clear to everyone that you're a pretentious asshole. Go read a fucking book.
And before you reply with your idiotic ad hominems, yes I've studied music, yes I can give you the names of your oh so patrician 20th century composers and I bet I've been on /mu/ for longer than you. Calling people newfags doesn't make you any cooler, and neither does pretending to like unlistenable shit.
>>65151202
You replied to the wrong person and are saying you've been here longer than me
That's so adorable
And if you think Stockhausen's unlistenable in any piece, any style, you're a newfag to classical music.
>>65151202
I've never called anyone a newfag. And why can't I enjoy 20th century classical music?
>>65151161
>no Morton Feldman
>no Julius Eastman
viper yourself my man
>>65151066
>disliking Schnittke
>>65151264
lol
>>65151267
lol
Those three are as crucial to 20th century music as Love is to rock music
How did this thread evolve into a discussion about Stockhausen?
I literally don't get it.
Or is it a continuation of some argument between two guys from some other thread? Maybe /daily/? The fuck is going on in here...
>>65151239
Wew, I did reply to the wrong post, sorry
I guess now I mysteriously haven't been here as long huh
>in any piece, any style
We're still talking about zeitkratzer & Keiji Haino - Stockhausen, right?
>>65151311
Start here: >>65150325
>>65151313
We're still talking about the piece Aus den sieben Tagen which has excerpts performed by them, yes.
>>65151336
What are the RA-drones?
>>65151286
where is Shostakovich?
>>65151357
Don't ask me why sunbear thinks I'm an RA drone, I was disappointed they didn't think much of any of the albums I listed.
>>65151368
Shostakovich is an occasionally profound yet continually weak composer with very weak skill at counterpoint that relied more on shock factor than musical substance.
>>65151336
Fuck I hate fans of modern classical
>>65151391
>modern classical
Oh boy another RYM term
You're sure showing off how you know nothing about classical music
Well done
>>65151377
you really getting your taste from redditadvisor?
lol mate...
>>65150261
Been here since 2011, AMSP is AOTY and anyone who disagrees has shit taste or is a tryhard
>>65151411
...what?
>>65151425
Give your opinions on each of these: >>65150356
>>65151377
>>65151039
for anyone interested, here's this imbeciles RYM
https://rateyourmusic.com/~treeqt
feel free to ridicule him all you want
>>65151406
>RYM term
How delusional do you have to be to think this is a "RYM term"? It's classical music - from the modern era
>>65151433
Stott, Pritchard and Eno are hella cool, but not AMSP cool.
I've been meaning to get around to the new Autechre. I was gonna listen to that Vynehall album based on what I was told about it, but the couple tracks I listened to was shockingly boring. Sounded like less-interesting Matthew Fear tracks.
>>65151467
First of all we're not even the same person
Second of all that's not my RYM hahahahaha
>>65151469
Because if you actually knew your shit you would say 20th century classical music, instead of that specific RYM quote
>>65151479
*Matthew Dear
This is the worst argument ive seen on /mu/
>>65151479
I don't see what people see in AMSP
to quote TQ (obviously read long after I developed my opinion, before you try to claim I'm a drone):
>Because that’s all so much of A Moon Shaped Pool does: it turns, and then you reset it. It turns, and you reset it. Repeat, go blue in the face, do whatever you can to find an anchor, something to grab hold of that has that same roughness, that singular feel, of this band at its best. There are pretty songs, albeit shot through with some real Fisher Price: My First Radiohead lyricism – ‘Present Tense’ is a fine case in point, a twitchy shuffle on the skins with a gloopy layer of choral vocals atop it, Yorke declaring: “I won’t stop now / I won’t slack off / Or all this love / Will be in vain.” The irony is measured in fathoms, truly. ‘Glass Eyes’ is another example of delicacy being mistaken for intimacy, for affecting introspection – its fractured piano lines and gently rising strings tick all the aesthetic boxes, and there’s certainly a couple of seconds in it where the walking listener will slow their step to really zero in on the mix. It’s beautiful, categorically, but clichéd with it – again, it’s nowhere near close to Radiohead’s own best in show when it comes to this approach, to songs like ‘Sail To the Moon’ for example or ‘Exit Music’.
>>65151486
Not the guy you're responding to but you sound like an SJW.
>HE DIDN'T "BECOME A WOMAN", SHE "TRANSITIONED" YOU FUCKING CIS SCUM REEEEEEE
Fuck your terms faggot
>>65151526
...
>>65151486
>implying all 20th century music is modern
Yeah I obviously don't know my shit.
Why are you so obsessed over RYM? They don't coin certain "specific quotes" and I don't even have a profile. By the way, if I did, how would that in any way affect my taste in and knowledge of music?
>>65151518
Sorry I don't speak buzzword, gonna have to convert that to English
Also
>reading reviews
Yeah you're definitely a drone
>>65151542
all 20th century classical* music
>>65151542
That's what I'm talking about: not all the music I listed in my Top10 was "modern classical" and acting like it is proves you're out of your league.
>>65151544
Buzzword? Where?
all that's gone on in this thread is morons who don't know classical music try to pretend as if they have more knowledge than a person who has studied music history and theory on a university level, has written papers on classical music, and has developed a talent on an instrument
like seriously what the fuck have ya'll done to compare to me in music? what gives you the talent or knowledge to talk about this music?
>>65151542
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>>65151518
Oh and the fact that the reviewer highlights two of the weakest songs on OKC and HTTT as better "examples" shows that this person isn't worth listening to in the first place.
>>65151592
Excuse me?
>>65151592
Congratulations your accomplishments mean nothing.
>>65151606
>>65151607
great arguments kids
>>65151594
suddenly it all makes sense!
>>65151616
If you can link me to the relevant posts I'd be happy to respond.
:^)
>>65151570
Look man, I'm not "out of my league" here, I just don't agree with your opinions. And I'll admit I don't use all the right terms but that's not what it's about either. How about you try and explain your ideas in my language and see if you have the right terms huh?
I accuse you of being pretentious and not actually liking the music and all you do is throw ad hominems and nitpick about my choice of words.
>>65151660
>I accuse you of being pretentious and not actually liking the music
So you accuse me of nothing
>>65151660
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