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Blue Train edition
Anything Jazz goes here
>tfw tried listening to a lot of jazz albums
>can never get into it
Shit sucks, I am such a pleb
>>65150054
One of my favorite jazz albums.
Plebs can enjoy it same as advanced jazz listeners.
>Perfect for hot summer months
Any jazz guitarist I should check out? I have been listening to Wes Montgomery, Pat Martino and Julian Lage.
What's your favourite Anthony Braxton album /mu/?
>>65150662
Sonny Sharrock
>>65150570
what did you listen to
>>65150682
Gross, rockist trash
>>65150662
The obvious one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eHgfzprT6U
>>65150699
Tried a lot of Coltrane, Mingus and Miles albums, and some other stuff. The only three jazz albums I enjoyed and listened to the end were Hot Rats, Headhunters and the Christmas soundtrack from that Charlie Brown special.
Is Smoke Sessions related to Criss Cross? They have that same style of cheesy artwork. Makes me angry looking at them
>>65150743
this is so good
>>65150774
I like the artsy silhouette of his fedora
>>65150646
>>65150774
Thanks for the recs, boys
>>65150054
So what do you goys think of Charles Mingus? And what is your favourite album by him?
>>65150662
Bill Frisell.
>>65151891
Blues&roots because i'm a pleb
He's good
>>65150736
Try some Chet Baker and Sonny Rollins and see if those click
>>65150743
Yeah they're both made for people who actually like jazz rather than for teenagers who care more about cool cover art than the music.
>>65151932
Nice
if anything Blue Train has without a doubt the most aesthetic album cover ever
>>65153400
that's true for most blue notes 2bh
What is your guy's favourite European Free Jazz record?
Listened to pic related recently - it's amazing.
The lineup is absolutely perfect.
>>65154244
I'm a fan of free jazz and this album is not very good t b h
>>65151891
My favourite Mingus album is this one - Eric Dolphy's bass clarinet does things to my nether regions.
>>65152914
Thanks, will do
hi
>>65154857
Really? Could you explain why you think it's so good? I quite like it too but I'm not even sure I'd call it top 5 material when compared to albums like Ah Um, Black Saint, etc.
>>65155164
It has all the excitement and variety of Ah Um, but I like the small group sound - gives the people involved (who are all top notch) more room to shine.
>>65150646
oooh, this is perfect for hot summers! 90+ today, gonna blast it. Any other hot summer day recs?
>>65150665
Not super well versed but I like his "23 Standards" live album. What I've heard of the 4 and a half hours of it, anyway.
Note that coming in here and saying "I've listened to Kind of Blue and some Coltrane" is like saying you've heard The Beatles and some Rolling Stones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wgA9L5TN5M
Something similar?
>>65155435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsxDwdXMQTI
>>65151891
Always and forever this, also he's pretty good desu, though he really should've cut down on the soup
>>65151932
yes
>>65155487
Thanks. I've heard his Lanquidity and Jazz In Silhouette. Is this any similar?
if u havent heard this then do yourself a fat fucking favor.
>>65155367
This is true, but /jazz/ is generally filled with people that want to get more people into jazz rather than turn them away.
>>65155531
>Lanquidity
Absolutely not, it's a good album but jazz fusion, not free.
I'd recommend it though, if you like fusion.
>Jazz in Silhouette
I don't remember much about it, but as long as I remember right what little I do it's not free jazz.
>>65155571
I'll listen to it. Thanks again.
>>65155531
There's elements of both of those albums in Space is the Place, but it's different from both too. It's noisier, particularly the title track, which revolves around a mantra in a similar way to Pharoah Sanders' Karma.
Reminder to jazz fans to come participate in the /blindfold test/ threads every friday and saturday. They are a fun way to discover and discuss jazz.
http://www9.zippyshare.com/v/0kaVpeaP/file.html
This week's theme is duo recordings.
>>65154857
yeah man, fuckin love this record. it's always been one of my favorites of his. really cool inside/outside kind of playing. danny richmond is a bad bad mothafucka, as is dolphy and mingus of course. Ive always liked mingus's shit in a small group context more but i love all of it.
Charles Lloyd's tune is so rich
>>65150662
Wes Montgomery is fine with his octaves and shit, but when you're ready for the true big boy guitarist of chordal improvisation you should check out Barney Kessel.
>>65150662
>>65151913
bill frisell is a great rec. i suggest the paul motian trio. if you can find then listen to "one time out" and "it should have happened a long time ago"
>>65155229
The ensemble on Ah Um is mid-sized and play some well built arrangements but there's also plenty of places where soloists work in their ideas and shine as individuals. The instrumentation gets pretty sparse in places and isn't ever really hectic enough that individuals get lost in the arrangements.
I'd argue Presents Mingus has less variety than Ah Um too. Ah Um has way more compositions which per minute of music played, work in way more diversity than the 4 on Presents Mingus. Presents Mingus is based more on improvisation and the musicians take the 4 tracks in some pretty interesting and varied directions but Ah Um has 12 well planned/practiced compositions which are much more concise than the sprawling jam sessions on Presents Mingus.
It's wonderful as a showcase for Mingus and Dolphy as musicians but Dolphy has had better sets as a soloist(as did Mingus though he really is on fire on PM) and Mingus was a better arranger than he was a bassist imo.
>>65155834
>Wes Montgomery is fine with his octaves and shit,
I SHIGGY DIGGY DOO MAN
he invented that shit
>>65155931
agreed he was a better composer/arranger than a bassist but he was a hell of a bassist too, very inventive. I agree that Ah Um has a cleaner sound and more variety but part of the appeal of Presents Mingus is the freeness of the sound and the aggresiveness that comes with that sort of feel. Both are beautiful records and present some really killin compositions. Mingus and Monk were really the best composers post-ellington. The preference between those two records really just depends on what your feeling at the time.
I just started listening to Jazz, and god. All of it is awful. Davis, Coltrane, Mingus, Monk. What are they even thinking?! Good thing I soon discovered the greatness that is Kenny G. He blessed my life with his wonderful melodies, and I deeply relate to his magnificent lyricism. This is true music. This is love.
SHE'S COMING TO MY COUNTRY I'M HYPED AS FUCK
>>65155938
>Wes Montgomery invented octaves
Anon, I...
>>65156043
She a cute.
A CUTE.
>>65155550
This is the greatest album ever made.
>>65156043
is that fucking hiromi? have more respect for yourself pleb
>>65156094
dude, finally. i fucking spam this everytime a jazz thread comes up. like it is the best fucking record i have ever heard.....luca?
>>65156099
Not him but what's wrong with Hiromi?
>>65156133
she sucks dude, emotionless spitting out of smoothed out recycled language. is that not hiromi?
>>65156162
what?
>>65156162
I think she has nice dynamics, phrasing and harmonic improvisation.
A very technical style but I wouldn't call her emotionless.
>>65156189
eh, you make good points and i might be biased because i really hate overly technical stuff, its mostly that i dont feel shes done anything new for the music and there's people who say so much more with much less notes.
Can anybody recommend me some artists that have a sort of space inspiration to them, or a sci-fi kinda influence? Something kinda in the same vein of Sun Ra
>>65156328
I would describe keith jarrett's american quartet and some of the trio stuff other then the standards trio as spacy. maybe try "at the deer head inn" no direct allusions to space but i think there's something cosmic to keith, gary/charlie, and paul motian
>>65156388
Yeah yeah I wasn't looking for like direct allusions, just like that kinda vibe, cause I haven't been able to find anything to really draw me in. Thanks mate, appreciate it
>>65156410
for sure, wouldnt say its directly in the Sun Ra vibe but spacy for sure. another good one might be Universal Spiritual Revolt by tyrone washington. thats definitely in the Sun Ra vain.
>>65155931
Yeah I wasn't trying to imply there's no solos on Ah Um, or that it's muddy - it's a phenomenal album and I love it. I just tend to prefer albums with fewer soloists because there's more time to listen to each one develop.
And I agree that there's more variety in terms of arrangements and different pieces played in Ah Um, but those factors just don't influence me as much as other ones when I choose my personal favourite.
I've not heard an awful lot of Mingus albums overall though, especially when you consider his massive discography what with all the different live dates that are available on the side of his prolific studio career. So that's just the one I enjoy the most out of those that I've heard.
>>65156328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF3B5yH5sJo
currently spinning and playing loudly
one of my favorites and helped get me into the genre
>>65152989
>>65156733
I wonder if guys like Charlie Haden were seen as wiggers back in the day.
>>65156761
ive thought the same but he really stands out with ornette's band. the forwardness he plays with is insane. his liberation music orchestra albums (at least the first two) are very good as well with him leading.
>>65156733
this is my favorite group of all time. great record desu senpai.
>>65156761
haha i've wondered the same thing cause hes my favorite musician, i think he was too legit to be a wigger. plus he doesnt try to take the style of black musicians playing wise, he plays like the mad mountain man he is.
>>65150662
Joe Pass, John McLaughlin, Pat Metheny
>>65156829
they're probably my favorite group as well. definitely the album where i really began to i guess appreciate Ornette and his sound so its my favorite and don cherry is a legend. and ed blackwell?? possibly my favorite drummer so underrated his solo on Ornette! always comes to mind
>>65156897
have you checked out old and new dreams? im spinning their record "playing" right now and it is fucking excellent. same group but with dewey redman instead of ornette but they play alot of ornette tunes. I highly reccomend it to ornette fans. mopti on that record is a great example of blackwells fucking mastery of life. beautiful beautiful music. not to mention objectively the most conceptually ahead musicians since bach.
Any good 2016 releases? Loved this one from last year
>>65157027
ive listened to their first record and its really great. been keeping my eye out for a copy, might pick one up online. i really like Redman for his work on Science Fiction and with Haden but ill touch anything with Blackwell. MU with him and Cherry is out there but his playing on there is constant and unbelievable
>>65156761
There was always some friction between blacks and whites in jazz, especially when people like Chet Baker and Dave Brubeck got widespread recognition and popularity whilst black musicians of similar levels of talent (or greater - Brubeck was famously embarrassed to have appeared on the cover of Time before Duke Ellington) were overlooked. Some black musicians - Miles being a famous example, though his attitude obviously mellowed over the years - sometimes showed open reluctance to hire whites too.
But overall my impression from reading about the era is that there was a lot of mutual respect between races within the scene - however much pressure from outside sometimes made this difficult. Considering the number of prominent white musicians and the fact that mixed groups where by no means rare, I can't imagine attitudes like that against white musicians would have been all that widespread.
made this chart yesterday -
my essential jazz albums
>>65157153
point of departure was a recent discovery for me, phenomenal album.
how about some cornbread?
>>65157135
Jazz has always been post-racism. Eddie Lang was playing with black musicians in the 20s.
>>65157093
oh man, science fiction. you are a good man.
>>65157217
I prefer Delightfulee! desu.
>>65157153
Most all of these are very good but it seems a little arbitrary to call a lot of them "essentials"
This requires at least:
Quintet - Jazz at Massey Hall
Mingus - Ah Um
Coltrane - Blue Train (I like sun ship more, but in no way is it more essential)
Literally why is Kind of Blue not on there
Black Fire over Pax
>>65157239
this is actually my first time ever posting on this board and am very pleased by this experience. science fiction blows my mind everytime
>>65157254
i have yet to check that out. now on the list
recently picked this one up based on the inclusion of Dolphy. one of his earliest. mostly on flute but some great alto and bass clarinet pieces.
Hey, that Sun Ra album is great. Thanks one more time for the recommendation.
>>65157153
anybody got more of these type of charts? I'll post all the ones I have.
This one is great
>>65157135
what it really comes down to is white musicians and black musicians tend to sound different but neither is inherently better or some crap like that. it's just from the different life experiences that people tend to have due to race, the best musicians usually just recognize that if someone sounds good then they are worth working with, no matter who they are. coming from an irish musician who ruetinely preforms in all black, all white, and mixed ensembles. jazz is a place, where done right, everyone respects and appreciates each others background and culture and the mix comes out to make something beautiful.
>>65156024
>>65157439
>>65157465
>>65157424
If you're talking about Lanquidity, Sleeping Beauty is a continuation of sorts, but instead of having a dark atmosphere is more dreamy-like.
>>65157342
being a jazz player i was just transcribing some of deweys solo on law years! insaaannee record. don cherry has moments of total brilliance harmoically. haha glad ur finding it constructive but i have to say this has been one of the better and more focused threads, sometimes it just decsends into madness.
>>65157217
yooo cornbread is tight and so are the other lee morgan albums however I get my lee morgan fill on Horace-Scope hehehe
>>65157295
hence the my before essential ... just wanted to put records that actually sound like "jazz" to me, sure those records are more influential and popular - but those records are built into the history of the music in this chart, it's honestly SUPER Gil Evans biased because I fucking love him, I need to fit in a jackie byard and horace parlan record also
>>65157483
>>65157498
sleeping beauty ftw desu senpai.
>>65157522
>>65157498
Was talking about Space is the Place. Might check out the one you mentioned, thanks.
>>65157549
>>65157571
that's all I have
I'd like to see more of the ones organized by record labels
>>65157522
Literally where the fuck was this when I was exploring ECM a few months ago
Good picks on here, though definitely missing my boy Eberhard Weber.
>>65157499
yeah that entire record is a trip, but a great one.
oh and im sure they do. ive been on 4chan long enough to know that
>>65157501
you ever listen to Blakey and the jazz messengers, Like Someone in Love? lee morgan on there with wayne shorter
any love for Mal Waldron? just started to really explore his catalog. his trio work like this one is amazing. the shit he went through is crazy too.
>>65157522
Thank you so much for this
>>65157626
>>65157522
could use more paul bley in my opinion. hes like a better keith jarrett. not to say i dont love keith but hes hit or miss for me.
>>65157598
I have this one
>>65157723
oh and this one too. I haven't seen these posted in forever.
>>65157571
>>65157598
why would someone make this
criss cross is awful
we need someone to make some HatHut, Tzadik and CleanFeed charts
>>65157233
>Jazz has always been post-racism
the first recorded jazz band were white racists whose leader claimed they created jazz
>>65157834
factually accurate
>>65157834
That doesn't mean it wasn't created by african americans in New Orleans and heavily rooted in the blues and black america.
Which it was.
>>65157817
try harder
>>65157932
what do you mean? maybe you just don't know anything about modern jazz
>>65157928
??? i'm disagreeing with someone who is saying that jazz has always been beyond racism which is untrue.
>>65157817
>we need someone to make some HatHut, Tzadik and CleanFeed charts
Yeah I'll get right on that
>>65157755
roll
>>65156006
>the appeal of Presents Mingus is the freeness of the sound and the aggresiveness
From a playing perspective this is deffinitely the big selling point of the album. It would be a better album with the same performances and cleaner production though. Especially for the year it was made, the recording quality ought to be better than it is.
>>65156501
>I just tend to prefer albums with fewer soloists because there's more time to listen to each one develop.
Yeah I can dig that. There's a lot of artists who I love more on their strength as performers and improvisers rather than as composers and this is the sort of album where one is meant to hear the performance rather than the composition. Excluding maybe The Clown, Presents Mingus is probs the best showcase of Mingus as a soloist so I guess I get why one could value it over albums which allow Mingus' arranging abilities to shine. That's just not my experience with his music.
>>65157755
rolling
>>65158276
>appeal of Presents Mingus is the freeness
oh i totally agree, alot of the freeness and agression comes from the fact that it is a live album but the recording quality is a negative. in the context of the recording, being that it was recorded live for a very small label because they would allow mingus to do what he wanted, i can excuse the poor quality but i also dont get too worked up about recording quality seeming as though i love concert by the sea haha
>>65157755
Rolls
